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Should Reboot = Recast?

With so much talk of Reboots, does a Reboot always equal Recast? I say "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!"
I have asked myself this question numerous times, "Does Rebooting a Franchise always mean Rebooting the cast?" Truthfully I am somewhat torn on this issue. On one hand, a reboot may be in order due to a terrible story coupled with terrible actors. On the other hand, it may just be the story that's terrible and the actors are doing their best with what they are given. The problem with rebooting is that if they want to make something fresh and new, usually this means scrapping everything (actors included) and starting over. However, I believe that this is not always the best way to do it.

For example, I did not like Superman Returns, at all, but I did enjoy Brandon Routh as Superman/Clark Kent. Some may argue he was just doing his best Christopher Reeves impersonation, but due to what the director was trying to accomplish with that film I believe that this is exactly what was asked of him. I do believe that the next Superman should be a reboot, but keep Brandon Routh (I could do without Kate Bosworth who was terrible as Lois).



I can also understand the problems that the idea of a Reboot without a Recast may cause for the average movie goer (which I will refer to as AMG from here forward for brevity's sake). IMO this group does not include the Fanboys/girls, who take time out to go on CBM or other similar fansites to keep up on what is happening with the development of the films. We would be well informed that it is a reboot and their would be no confusion as to why some of the actors have been replaced and others not, and why the new film has absolutely nothing to do with the previous. We could accept that and enjoy the new film for what it is, but for the AMG they would view the new film as a sequel and not understand how it doesn't connect to the previous film. For this the film may suffer sales-wise no matter how good it is. I believe that this is the reason most studios equate a reboot with a recast as well.

Now there are exceptions I know. For example, for the info that we have thus far on the Deadpool movie it will be a reboot, but Ryan Reynolds will return to the role. I think this works as Deadpool is not as popular to the AMG as it is to us Fanboys/girls. So the studio may have figured that it is an okay risk for them to take (then again it's FOX so I may be giving them too much credit). Personally I'm glad they stuck with Ryan Reynolds in the role.

To be clear I want to stress that I am addressing Recasting for Rebooted films, not as is the case in sequels that recast (IM2 - Rhodey). THAT I find annoying, but understand the neccessity sometimes, because actors can be divas, studio execs can be penny pinchers or clueless, or the actors just plain suck and should be recast (though we aren't always so lucky....I'm looking at you Kirsten Dunst).

There are plenty of examples of CBMs that I believe should have the Reboot treatment, but I like all/some of the actors in the original version. Here's just a list of a few of my preferences of Movies that should be Rebooted, but the actors that should be kept for the reboot.

1. Superman Returns - Brandon Routh, Kevin Spacey
2. Fantastic Four - Chris Evans, Michael Chiklis
3. X-Men Franchise - Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman, Sir Ian McKellan



If you read this entire post without getting bored, Thanks. Basically my point is if I had it my way, a Reboot would not automatically equal a Recast. I do support partial Recast if necessary, but keep the actors that did justice to the roles they were given and allow them to the opportunity to further explore those characters. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!



So if you would indulge me, I would like to know your thoughts on the following:

1. Do you think Reboot should always equal complete Recast?
2. What movies would you want to see rebooted with all/partial cast returning to the reboot?
3. How many years should pass before a reboot is attempted?
8 Yes
1 No
Bohemiben
11/18/2009

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60 Comments

I am posting first to deter any Firsters, so LEE doesn't have to go thru the trouble of posting his Fister pic...lol
Bohemiben - 11/18/2009, 10:40 AM
Fist of all i think a re-cast is the best thing to do in a reboot, secondly ive said it before no matter what Routh was told to do a good actor will shine through where as i found him to be no better than an extra :P

Good Article tho :)

And dont let LEEE fool you...he does fisters lol :P
teabag - 11/18/2009, 10:44 AM
I can see your point regarding Routh, however I still think if given another shot at it with maybe a better story he could surprise us.
Bohemiben - 11/18/2009, 10:52 AM
I think the key to a reboot is changing the director. That changes the style, writing, effects, etc. from the top down. but I think recasts are a good thing because you get the opportunity to use cheaper actors (if studios are smart enough to) and I don't think there's 1 actor who is so perfect for the role that no other actor in the entire world could fill those shoes. for example, I like Chris Evans as the Torch, but I'm sure there's a thousand no-name actors who are just as perfect for the job.

Routh did a fine job at being the Chris Reeves era of Superman, but that era is long over and the comic book superman isn't very much like Reeves Superman. For that reason, I say recast the man of steel.
GreenLantern416 - 11/18/2009, 10:59 AM
This is my first real comment post on CBM, so Hi guys! lol.

I agree, not alway should reboot mean recast, not only for the fact that some of the actors may be really good, but like you said the movie stunk. You could confused the AMV...for example, Hulk...IMO Eric Bana did the best with what he had to work with, yes Ed Norton was better but I believe Mr Bana would have done just as good of job in the reboot.

As to confusing AMV, most people probably and still think that the newest Hulk movie was a sequal, just with different actors. They dont know that its a reboot, so why not let the actors from the first movie be in the new one?

But thats my view, sometimes the AMV is not going to know, so why should a reboot hurt a good actor from a second chance.

I know your asking for which movies do we want to see rebooted, I can only think of movies/characters I DON'T want rebooted

1. Goonies
2. Indiana Jones - I want to punch Shia in mouth for that last movie.

Thats all I can think, Thinking of that last Indiana Jones movie makes me mad lol


cavemanoo - 11/18/2009, 11:12 AM
but like you said the movie stunk.

Re-reading what I meant to say, was like you said sometimes the scripts stink.
cavemanoo - 11/18/2009, 11:17 AM
@cavemanoo - First off, welcome! Secondly, regarding The Hulk, that's a tricky one. If I remember correctly, some of the producers mentioned that it was meant to be a sequel of sorts, which is why they dealt with the origins in the opening credits. However it can also be seen as a reboot since it was brought under the Marvel Films umbrella. I never saw the first Hulk movie, but was able to enjoy the second without having any knowledge of the other, which would make you think it's a reboot.

I'm with you on Indiana Jones, but I think it had more to do with the script than Shia. I don't think Shia said, "Y'know what would be cool, if I swung thru the jungle with monkeys...Let's do that!"...lol
Bohemiben - 11/18/2009, 11:30 AM
Bohem@ The origin in the first Hulk is differant to the one shown in the opening credits of TIH....oh and dont watch the Hulk unless you have insomnia lol

Caveman@ welcome to CBM :)
teabag - 11/18/2009, 11:46 AM
i think if you are going to remake then you need to change cast.as for rebooting wich is kinda like a jump start then it all depends. the superman films can change loise but unless they plan to remake they should keep brandon routhe. as for fantastic four i myself would like to see a whole new take remake it.i did not like reeds or sue.but the cast in x-men were all in my opinion great cast.spiderman's tobey does a great job but mary jane was not mary jane sorry kirsten but mary jane was super hot.i think what they have been doing with comic book movies lately like spiderman3,x-men 3,transformers 2 and some other films like resident evil is they add to much action and it hurts the story. they should sit down think out the story and add in the emotions and action and blend it together.also the cgi ,and practical effects should be blended.
1chris2 - 11/18/2009, 1:10 PM
Just had a thought..secondary characters can remain in a reboot...this has been proven with 007 and Dame Judy Dench :P
teabag - 11/18/2009, 4:49 PM
Welcome Cavemanoo..Tea, don't start up that Hulk thing again, everyone knows it was a requel:)

Awesome article Bohemiben, I agree wholeheartedly. Routh did a great job I thought..and I actually like the movie all round really, although a reboot with a new director, more action and no kid, new Lois, would be cool. I would actually bring more back from the X movies too. Alan Cumming, James Marsten(just give him more to do) Kelsey Grammar..
RorMachine - 11/18/2009, 4:54 PM
ROR@ tell the director cus he's confused lol :D
teabag - 11/18/2009, 4:55 PM
Kate Bosworth was terrible, just terrible.

I'd sooner cast Margot Kidder again. She was and still is the best Lois.

hush - 11/18/2009, 5:15 PM
*disclaimer* obviously I would not cast Margot Kidder, I am merely making a point
hush - 11/18/2009, 5:16 PM
OMG Did hell freeze over Rorschach said he wanted to see more Cyclops. lol
Dmon - 11/18/2009, 5:25 PM
haha, Im not Cycs biggest fan but I thought Marsden did a decent job, he just didn't have enough to work with. Lets face it, he had [frick] all to do!

Tea, he is very confused, because I have heard him say the words "The Incredible Hulk is a requel". Maybe when the people that wished Ang Lee's Hulk never existed started to piss and moan he changed his tune..but he wont piss down my back and tell me its raining! If you want to completely distance your movie from its predecessor you don't set it after the events of said movie and begin it where the last one ended..and that is that!
RorMachine - 11/18/2009, 5:32 PM
Hush@ I think Erica Durance and Noel Neill where the best Lois Lane's. I always thought of Margot Kidder as an example of some bad ad to get people to stop smoking with her gaunt face and raspy voice. lol
Dmon - 11/18/2009, 5:34 PM
@Ror unlike you I like Cyclops and think there are great stories that involve him. I like Marsden and admit they never gave him much to do. But felt he kind of over acted a little but I think unless you are a truly great actor it is hard to convey emotion with too little lines and a visor covering most of your face. Some of those facial expressions he made caused me to roll my eyes and grinch at times. Though most super heroes wear masks so I dont know if that is a good excuse. lol
Dmon - 11/18/2009, 5:46 PM
If you reboot you shoudl recast. It's the only way to make sure that the audience knows it's a new universe.

Sure Superman Returns was bad (I didn't hate it though). It didn't set anything up that can't be ignored in future movies. Sure Superman has a son who has powers but we could just have that be a minor part of any future movies.
Michael Galusick - 11/18/2009, 5:55 PM
ha, yeah I did notice that. In X2 especially. But I had no problem with him in X1 really..and he was looking good in X£ playing the brooding potentially dangerous part..then they killed him!
RorMachine - 11/18/2009, 5:58 PM
As long as the overall style of the new movie is significantly different I think they should cast whoever is best for the part.

If Fox started over on X-Men and gave the movie the same style treatment that Ironman or Spiderman has then it wouldn't matter if the same folks played some of the characters, the two franchises would look totally different.

Just to be clear, I think the X-Men movies look cheap compared to the more successful CBMs, the sets and special effects look like what I would expect for a TV movie, and the wardrobes were totally lacking for the genre.
HarrisonBergeron - 11/18/2009, 6:43 PM
I just like the baby bathwater picture LMAO
DarthMulder - 11/18/2009, 6:59 PM
if you do a reboot it makes sense to recast the actors. i understand why people like Brandon Routh its because he looks like Christopher Reeve. when i saw Brandon Routh casted as Superman i thought did Christopher Reeve have a love child or something. Superman Returns would of worked well back in the days in the 70s but this day of age if you make a superhero movie you need a supervillain to match that hero.
jazzman - 11/18/2009, 7:37 PM
A lot of people say that Routh seemed dry or flat..I din't get that from him at all. He was playing Superman! He's not exactly the most animated of characters. He could even be considered a bit one note at times. He didn't come across as flat to me, simply calm, collected. Sure Supes does lose it in the comics too, but very rarely which is why its always a shock. Routh would have benefited greatly from a scene allowing him to do that.
RorMachine - 11/18/2009, 7:42 PM
One of the major problems with casting in CBMs is how eexactly a reboot works in correlation to their predecessors, since this can have a major effect on whether or not the movie can even be considered a reboot or not.

For example, the four Batman movies of the 90's were sort of tied together in strange ways:

Batman and Batman Returns were both Tim Burton movies, where as Forever and Batman and Robin were directed by Joel Schumaker. Tim Burton's movies, while similar weren't necessarily direct sequels, but rather standalone movies that happened to feature the same Bat-verse. As in, they could be switched in terms of order of release and it doesn't really effect the movies' plots at all.
Joel Schumaker's movies had a very different look and feel once he took over to direct, but yet Tim Burton still hung on to work as a producer (I think only for Forever, though), so in a way Tim Burton can still be directly linked to those movies as well. Batman's actor was changed for Forever and then changed again in B&R, but yet Robin stayed the same for both, meanwhile the actors for Alfred and Gordon stayed the same for all four movies!

So the question really comes down to how a reboot is defined. And even then it can really depend for different titles. I know this doesn't really add to discussion, but I feel it's something that needs to be addressed.
MovieTheaterLad - 11/18/2009, 7:50 PM
@Rorschach: See that's why it gets me peeved when people say you can't have Mark Valley as Cap or Keanu Reeves as Sandman or Spike Spiegel. I mean it's not like the characters in question jump around like Jim Carrey.

Sometimes dry and stiff works well!
MovieTheaterLad - 11/18/2009, 7:53 PM
NO reboots and recast for X-Men, Superman and Fantastic Four!

I want sequels for X-Men The Last Stand(with Cyclops Alive) and Superman Returns(I want to see Superman have revenge on Lex Luther)with the same cast.

Please no more reboots ideas. It's been driving me crazy for almost two years and I'm so not ready for it.
Torian Brown - 11/18/2009, 7:57 PM
I liked Routh too
DarthMulder - 11/18/2009, 8:11 PM
cyclops alive and as the leader
but this i wanna a taller cyclops, mardsen was good but he was too short
brazilianbatman - 11/18/2009, 8:42 PM
routh should come back
brazilianbatman - 11/18/2009, 8:51 PM
I agree with TORIAN BROWN, enough with reboots, this should only happen in EXTREME cases, like Batman and Robin, I don't even think its nescessary to reboot the Fantastic Four, changing the direction and hiring a good director, could solve the problems
brazilianbatman - 11/18/2009, 8:59 PM
1. Do you think Reboot should always equal complete Recast? NO

2. What movies would you want to see rebooted with all/partial cast returning to the reboot? Spawn live action. maybe not as a movie but a HBO reboot. leave the clown out. was Michael j White all that bad? I would like to see more orgin x-men movies. rogue, storm, gambit,

3. How many years should pass before a reboot is attempted? a solid 7 years befor a script is written
Stewart Pelser - 11/18/2009, 10:22 PM
This may seem contradictory, but this is how I feel: I want a whole new cast for the next FF movie, but I would love to see Routh come back and play Superman. Even I'm still not sure how I can make such a distinction. I think that 'Superman Returns' was far better than either FF movie, so that reboot wouldn't be as hard as the FF reboot, I expect. Also Routh never really got the chance to make the role his own, (he was, as you say, just doing his best Chris Reeve imitation), so to me, it seems like kind of a waste to go find some other fresh face when there's already a guy primed and ready for round 2.
Jordacar - 11/18/2009, 10:40 PM
Although I liked Brandon Routh they could find an actor that looks like Superman not Reeves. A reboot with the best cast could work fine. I dont think the average movie goer would be confused after isnt that what happenned with Casino Royale and M.

I dont think Chris Evans was bad in FF1, or Farrel in Daredevil. With regards to the Hulk movies I dont buy that requel nonsense. The only continuity was Brazil, lets face it it was a reboot unless you are a fan of Highlander continuity
breakUbatman - 11/19/2009, 12:07 AM
How can you not reboot X-Men AND have Cyclops alive?

If Routh can be Superman after a reboot, then Welling can be Superman after a reboot. If Routh's poor performance can be dismissed due to bad writing, then Welling's poor performances can be dismissed due to bad writing.

Mark Valley would have made a great Captain America, 5-10 years ago. He has started to show age and that just wouldn't do an origin justice. I wouldn't complain if he were somehow cast, he is the only actor I've seen whose face just invokes the all American hero vibe, but I think there has to be a better option out there.
HarrisonBergeron - 11/19/2009, 12:16 AM
I enjoyed Superman Returns for what it was the true Superman 3, and i would like to see them continue in that universe, just recast lois and sort of put superboy under the rug and forget that story line, but please no more Lex luther as the main threat, maybe as a side story or something, but superman is ready to face off with someone big now, someone he can really let loose on, like Darkseid, or Doomsday. And if there is a reboot they might as well and do it the right way and recast everyone and make it completly fresh, but i would much prefer just a coninuation so we can get into some better stories without having to explain his origins once again. As for the fantastic four, just start over from scratch and get a decent writer. No reboot for Xmen just bring cyclops back, its not exactly set in a realistic universe and besides we never actually saw him die, get another actor for gambit and finally get him going the right way, and fix rogues character, and maybe some other tweaks but those are a good starting point
sevin1981 - 11/19/2009, 2:03 AM
Ror@ i say he's confused cus i have seen him say reboot!! who's right ..i doubt its either of us if he cant get his head around it :)

Interview..

And you don't have to have seen the 2003 film to get this one. It's not a sequel, right?

Louis Leterrier: "It's definitely not a sequel. It's really the beginning of our series, and hopefully we'll get to do many, many more. But I love Ang's movie "


He has also said the word Reboot aswell as Avi Arad but it also comes down to how individuels interperate the information given...

i,e: When you watch Routh you see a good actor, when i see him im watching a lump of lard on screen lol :P
;)
teabag - 11/19/2009, 3:17 AM
Well the only problem with reboots is how many origin stories do we need to see? I actually like the way they did the second hulk. show clips of the origin in the title sequence and move on.
I am a huge superman fan i really dont need to see a half hour of a new movie wasted on krypton blowing up and him growing up. I did like routh in "Returns". I did like it, however, the kid has to go and so does bosworth as lois lane. she just didnt look the part at all. Also I like Lex Luthor portrayed more as an evil business man then all these real estate scams he tries to pull and he needs to be a secondary character. i agree with the posters above we need to see superman just unleash himself on some super villains already.
I didnt mind the FF movies although I would recast the invisible woman, Reed and Dr. Doom.
overall i agree with most of the posts that these movies need directors and writers who are committed to the material. Iron Man is the perfect example of that. Get someone who loves the character and we will have a better product out there.
lexkal66 - 11/19/2009, 4:45 AM
Wow, I'm very much enjoying this discussion and how many different POVs there are on the subject. I didn't even think of the 007 movies and how it's a reboot with some of the secondary characters the same. That's a good point on how that can work, but it may be because 007 films is an established franchise with many, many films under its belt. Also, they tend to work as standalone stories, whereas I think most CBM try to pick up from where the previous one left off. Maybe they can learn a little from 007.

As far as who to keep from the X-Men films, I just listed my Top 3 without having to go thru the whole list. Those were the 3 that I just really couldn't picture anyone else doing.

@lexkal66 - I agree with the issue of origin stories. I did like how it was handled in Hulk, because it saved more time for action and the current story. However, I knew the Hulk origin prior to the film so it wasn't an issue. My question is for the benefit of the AMG who may know nothing of Hulk, would this be enough for them to understand the character? Or were the studios making the assumption that they had seen the previous film, or Hulk's origin is that well known? This may not work for less popular characters.
Bohemiben - 11/19/2009, 8:03 AM
goddamn my man lol.
ello tea ;)
lc - 11/19/2009, 8:37 AM
There are universally known characters from past movies/tv shows. For hulk and superman really isn't needed to explain their origin again. It worked for IH and will work for superman
MisterFixit - 11/19/2009, 9:03 AM
(IMO)
BEST CASTING FOR COMIC BOOK MOVIE

Robert downy Jr / tony starks
Wesly Shipes / Blade
Patrick Stewart / Prfessor X
Ryan Renolds / Dead pool
Ray Stevenson / Frank Castle
Chris Evans / Johnny Storm
Doug Jone&Laurence Fishburnes / The Silver Surfer
Willem Dafoe ... Green Goblin / Norman Osborn
James Franco / Harry Osborn
Rosemary Harris / May Parker
Thomas Haden Church / Sandman
J.K. Simmons / J. Jonah Jameson
Katie Stuart / Kitty Pryde
Kelly Hu / Deathstrike
Shawn Ashmore / Iceman
Daniel Cudmore / Colossus
Michael Rosenbaum / Lex Luthor (smallville)
Jennifer Connelly / Betty Ross
Sam Elliott / Ross
Edward Norton / Bruce Banner
Michelle Pfeiffer / Catwoman

(And now to piss off the fan boys)
WORST CASTING FOR COMIC BOOK MOVIE

Hugh Jackman aka Patrick Dempsey as Wolverine (WORST CASTING EVER)
Ian McKellen / Magneto
Famke Janssen / Jean Grey
James Marsden-Scott / Cyclops
Halle Berry-Ororo Munroe / Storm
Anna Paquin / Rogue
Tyler Mane / Sabretooth
Ray Park/ Toad
Rebecca Romijn / Mystique
Vinnie Jones / Juggernaut
Kelsey Grammer / Beast
Terrance Howard / Jim Roads
Jennifer Garner/ Electra
Wes Bentley / Blackheart
Michael Chiklis / The Thing
Ioan Gruffudd / Mr. Fantastic
Jessica Alba / Susan Storm
Kirsten Dunst / Mary Jane Watson
Topher Grace / Venom
Eric Bana / Bruce Banner
Michael Jai White / Spawn
Ben Foster / Angel
And Any Batman Movie without Michael Keaton or Christian Bale
thatiscrazy - 11/19/2009, 9:34 AM
Routh sucked and kevin spacey was absolutely embarrassing. I actually enjoyed who they picked for Mr. Fantastic, but I suppose it's because I enjoy the character anyway.
Pym - 11/19/2009, 9:50 AM
@thatiscrazy

WOW! That was harsh. I seriously do not agree with a lot of you choices, but that's your opinion. And I'm glad you're not a movie exec.
MIDAS - 11/19/2009, 11:16 AM
wharever but Routh is our days SUPERMAN, liked or not, and let's him prove if he got the material, i mean, right now he is the only actor in our pocket that really fit in the role, cut the welling crap, welling is just a emo Clark and not a superman, remember he never intented to be, so Routh even through Singer visión don't was an emo clark, well he was a kind of emo superman, but was Singer fricking visión, lets give the chance to Routh, let's see if he got the balls to land the caracter with another visión, maybe i'm wrong but i got the feeling that being a fan of superman, according to he's own word, he going to make it work, if u really see between the lines of superman return u'll see a true fan in Routh way. is just my opinion, sorry if it offensive to someone; and like most of u say routhboot.the ship has landed
Ship - 11/19/2009, 11:24 AM
No I think it should, if you're going to do a completley different story and essentially a different franchise you need to recast or it just gets weird. Like that's saying when they rebooted Batman they should have stuck to George Clooney instead of recasting him to do Batman Begins. Don't think so LOL nah reboots are sometimes nessasary, when theres very little to save the franchise like Hulk a reboot is needed or if it's been too long to get round to a sequel and the majority of cast and crew don't want to do another one like Superman Returns.
Ryden - 11/19/2009, 11:50 AM
haha yeah Im not an exec. But Im working on it lol. And if you notice most of the ones that I thought sucked were Fox movies. I think Marvel does a pretty awsome job casting for their movies. Fox only casts who they think will bring in the most money. Marvel seems to cast the best person for the part. I also was a BIG fan of the old xmen cartoon on saturday mornings which ironically was on fox. The ones where wolverine wasn't the leader of the xmen. Yeah their stories weren't exactly like the books. But the personalities, voices and look kinda solidified these characters for me. and the x-men movies weren't terrible just seemed to be nothing like the characters that I grew up with. I just consider them and alternate reality version of the xmen. I understand that you cant always translate a comic/cartoon into a movie but its like they just delebritly tried to change as much as they could. They should have just called that movie hero squad or something because it wasn't the xmen. They spent all their money for Hally Berry instead of sentinals for crying out loud. Just poor choices (IMO)
thatiscrazy - 11/19/2009, 12:07 PM
Routh's problem is not his own. I think the older fans will always see Christopher Reeve as their superman, and the younger fans only see Tom Welling as theirs. I actually really liked Routh as superman. For the first time ever he seemed like an alien. Remember that in the film he had just returned from five years of space travel (admittedly it could be shorter in space, or something.) You try keeping your social graces after that long in solitude!

For a superman reboot (unless its a Smallville movie) I'd keep Routh and lose Spacey (I love him as an actor and as Lex, but Lex has been done.) Make a huge Superman film with doomsday or someone like that, and have them battle it out in a massive special effects laden slogfest. Unfortunatly the actual death of superman would be way too complicated to do in film.
samd577 - 11/19/2009, 12:52 PM
@Thatiscrazy

Why didn't you like Ian Meckellen, Kelsey Grammar or Micheal Chiklis? I can kinda understand the others but those three? What's wrong?
MovieTheaterLad - 11/19/2009, 1:15 PM
if is a reboot they have to take out all the actors wih new actors
flames809 - 11/19/2009, 1:24 PM
@MovieTheaterLad

Ian Meckellen, Kelsey Grammar or Micheal Chiklis are all great actors and did a good job in the roles that they played… I geuss from one perspective maybe that’s all that matters. But for me I just didn’t feel like I was watchin Magneto, Meckellen is just too old, frail and unintimidating. Someone had mentioned Ed Harris as magneto, he might not so much look the part or be perfect for it but he has an intimidating screen presence, which is what im looking for in a complex character like Magneto. I guess I just kinda want the character to have the presence or essence of the character.

Micheal Chicklis was the shortest person on the team. I just couldn’t get past that… It defeats the whole purpose of the character. They should have used his voice for a voice over like they did with the surfer and got some huge guy in a suit or had a CG Thing. Rock can look pretty realistic in CG so it would be an easy sell. He was just waaaaaay to small. But in his “human” form he was perfect.

Kelsey Grammer again was perfect for the voice or a human form… But his costume was just awful he just looked silly. Maybe it wasn’t the casting for that roll that bothered me but more of the look of the character. He just looked like a weak old man in a blue fuzzies glued to his face, I just couldn’t get past that… And when he was jumping around and swinging from cables it just looked so awkward.
thatiscrazy - 11/19/2009, 3:27 PM
Kelsey Grammar or Micheal Chiklis... maybe its not their fault I can chalk that up to poor desicion making in the FX department. But Ian is just not the evil revolutionary type.
thatiscrazy - 11/19/2009, 3:32 PM
If they're going to reboot Superman, they MUST get rid of the gay new costume. Go back to the classic Christopher Reeve costume. The Superman symbol is an American icon. To change it is a travesty!
And the dark red/dark blue costume that Brandon Routh wore? Depressing.
The exact costume that Christopher Reeve wore IS Superman. No exceptions!!!
NAStyBoy - 11/19/2009, 5:30 PM
thatiscrazy what about Mickey Rourke as Marv? In my opinion he is one of the top, if multi's list of costumes wasnt limited to superheroes he should've been number 1.

The Welling/Routh debate is an odd one I know that performances are dependent on the way their written and the director i.e. Mickey Rourke in Once Upon A Time In Mexico and then in Sin City, same actor and director but he was bland in 'Mexico'. Personally I prefer Routh though, if a reboot were to be done with one of the two Welling would just confuse issues because he has been becoming Superman for 8 yrs or something which means he brings that with him and you'd expect the storyline to continue. Routh on the other hand has the whole baby on board issue so as much as I enjoyed him as Supes i doubt it'll happen.

All I can say is Warner Bros has some dumb-ass execs someone should have shut that part of the script down. All these dumb decisions have led to the current state of indecision with regards to Justice League, at least Spiderman can comeback from the Venom Lite fiasco, what the hell was the next step for Supermans bastard son
breakUbatman - 11/20/2009, 12:47 AM
Tom Welling as Superman
superman7 - 11/20/2009, 11:33 AM
@breakUbatman Mickey Rourke as Marv was awsome,I just forgot about Sin City :). Except for Jessica Alba that movie was cast really really well.
thatiscrazy - 11/20/2009, 3:29 PM
Perhaps if a truly great sequel was made for a CBM, then if it was indeed good enough,it could actually allow for any awfulness in any of the sequels preceeding it to be overlooked?
6of13 - 11/21/2009, 7:20 AM

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