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Nicolas Cage Talks Ghost Rider 2, Wants More Horror In Potential Sequel

News about the potential sequel directly from the Spirit of Vengence himself.
Nicolas Cage is planning to reprise his 2007 role as Johnny Blaze aka, Ghost Rider. Cage told MTV News that a writer is currently being sought for the follow-up.

The sequel, may see the biker from hell battle evil in Europe alongside the Catholic Church is still in its early stages. A director is also needed for the film. Mark Steven Johnson, co-writer and director of “Daredevil” and the first “Ghost Rider” film, seems like a likely candidate for either role in the sequel, Cage said nothing’s been decided so far.

“Everyone is very busy. I know Mark has his own thing going on,” Cage told MTV, “It’s up to the studio. It’s really in their hands.”

When asked which elements the sequel should include, Cage spoke tentatively given the early stage of “Ghost Rider 2″ development. He did, however, point out the importance of some signature Ghost Rider themes.

“It has to have that action horror element and go deeper into that if it were to happen and [it should] keep us asking questions. Keep it interesting on a philosophical level,” said Cage.

Well hopefully this Ghost Rider will be more true to the comics, and not have Mephisto be the actual devil, though Peter Fonda is very Satanic and evil.
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3/22/2009
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114 Comments

I liked the first movie. I'm not really familiar with the character, so maybe that's why, but I thought it was overall a really good movie. I look forward to another one. And yes, I like Nicholas Cage.
BuckyB7588 - 3/22/2009, 8:49 PM
Mark Steven Johnson is up there with Brent Ratner to me. He needs to be taken away from any comic property. The way they did Blackheart broke my heart. And I don't think I need to comment on what a steaming pile Daredevil was. As far as Cage playing Ghost Rider, he needs to stop acting like a child who's getting to portray his favorite character. Just some trivia, Nicholas Cage real name is Nicholas Copalla. He chose to pen-name, Cage, based on one of his favorite comicbook characters.
TheMyth - 3/22/2009, 9:20 PM
I like nicholas cage. Even if i tried, i dont think i could go see every movie he puts out in a year. The man pumps them out! I swear the man never says "no" to a film.
Betty - 3/22/2009, 9:21 PM
wow good luck with that. other then ghost rider riding down the side of the building, this movie was TERRIBLE, first comic book movie i walked out of.

i liked nick cage in a couple of movies, raising arizona .. and weatherman? i think thats the name of it.

and this comment is just to put in my support for Daredevil THATS the movie that needs a sequel.. what was so bad with the first one?
loganaspatch - 3/22/2009, 9:32 PM
HE'S doing this sequal? Thats horror enough!!
TheSoulEater - 3/22/2009, 9:35 PM
@loganspatch out of all the bad superhero movies u walk out of a semi-good one i enjoyed this and im disgruntled they didnt come out with a sequel sooner, i wonder who or what would be the villian i'am not familiar that much with Ghost Rider universe but u cant say the first one was walk out of the theater worthy cause it wasnt

See Ya, The ShakeBake
TheShakeBake - 3/22/2009, 9:36 PM
just like sex with a woman shakebake if you a have "semi" the woman will get up and walk out on you.. :)

sorry im bored.

well glad you enjoyed it, but when that old man said i have been saving to turn into a ghost rider for this special moment and the [frick]ing horse popped up, and they raced thru the desert.. ugggh!!! it was just lame!

loganaspatch - 3/22/2009, 10:08 PM
Naw ghost rider def. Was not walk out of theatre bad just could be better bad. But I do have to agree with you aside from ol' ben affleck daredevil wasn't horrible bullseye in the church was pretty badass.
SdProphet - 3/23/2009, 12:26 AM
@ TheMyth,
Nicolas Cage changed his name so that he wouldn't get acting jobs based on Francis Ford Coppola (a very well respected director) being his uncle. Who cares if he changed it to his favourite comic book character. It's nice to see an actor passionate about playing a comic book character. So maybe you should do your research before talking trash.
venom001 - 3/23/2009, 12:29 AM
I didn't think Ghost Rider was that bad it had lots of room for improvement, but wasn't terrible and I thought if nothing else Cage did a good job. Just had some poor writing. I would of given it a 7 out of 10 at the very worst a 6.5. Daredevil on the other hand is a different story. It wasn't terrible, but certainly not good. I think Ben Affleck was actually one of the good parts of the film. I thought he did fine. I thought it was a few story elements and a little bit to much cheesyness that drug it down. I would say it was a 6 at best though a 5.5 is more accurate.
stupify_me - 3/23/2009, 12:47 AM
oh "themyth" get over it the movie is called ghost rider not black hart!!! U probly don't like it cause you don't like cage. Everything ghostrider said and did was from the comics and how he acted. And "loganaspatch" that was one of the most iconic sceans ever from that movie mygod there is a panting mad from it and to see it come to life on the big screen it was amazeing and looked awsome. U seem more like a fan of movies than you are of comic book movies. U probely don't know anything about the comic or ghostrider.

And i cain't wait for a sequill I hope it gets made. And i hope they don't change the bike to much caus it looked really awsome. And mebey give him some one stronger to fight thats why the fighting was so short in the first movie. And i'll give u guys that the fight sceans were alittle short but made sence and the end could of been longer but the movie did'ent suck because of it. Im sure they will improve with the second like they did with hell boy. And im willing to give ghost rier a chance.
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:53 AM
oh "themyth" get over it the movie is called ghost rider not black hart!!! U probly don't like it cause you don't like cage. Everything ghostrider said and did was from the comics and how he acted. And "loganaspatch" that was one of the most iconic sceans ever from that movie mygod there is a panting mad from it and to see it come to life on the big screen it was amazeing and looked awsome. U seem more like a fan of movies than you are of comic book movies. U probely don't know anything about the comic or ghostrider.

And i cain't wait for a sequill I hope it gets made. And i hope they don't change the bike to much caus it looked really awsome. And mebey give him some one stronger to fight thats why the fighting was so short in the first movie. And i'll give u guys that the fight sceans were alittle short but made sence and the end could of been longer but the movie did'ent suck because of it. Im sure they will improve with the second like they did with hell boy. And im willing to give ghost rier a chance.
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:53 AM
oh "themyth" get over it the movie is called ghost rider not black hart!!! U probly don't like it cause you don't like cage. Everything ghostrider said and did was from the comics and how he acted. And "loganaspatch" that was one of the most iconic sceans ever from that movie mygod there is a panting mad from it and to see it come to life on the big screen it was amazeing and looked awsome. U seem more like a fan of movies than you are of comic book movies. U probely don't know anything about the comic or ghostrider.

And i cain't wait for a sequill I hope it gets made. And i hope they don't change the bike to much caus it looked really awsome. And mebey give him some one stronger to fight thats why the fighting was so short in the first movie. And i'll give u guys that the fight sceans were alittle short but made sence and the end could of been longer but the movie did'ent suck because of it. Im sure they will improve with the second like they did with hell boy. And im willing to give ghost rier a chance.
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:53 AM
oh "themyth" get over it the movie is called ghost rider not black hart!!! U probly don't like it cause you don't like cage. Everything ghostrider said and did was from the comics and how he acted. And "loganaspatch" that was one of the most iconic sceans ever from that movie mygod there is a panting mad from it and to see it come to life on the big screen it was amazeing and looked awsome. U seem more like a fan of movies than you are of comic book movies. U probely don't know anything about the comic or ghostrider.

And i cain't wait for a sequill I hope it gets made. And i hope they don't change the bike to much caus it looked really awsome. And mebey give him some one stronger to fight thats why the fighting was so short in the first movie. And i'll give u guys that the fight sceans were alittle short but made sence and the end could of been longer but the movie did'ent suck because of it. Im sure they will improve with the second like they did with hell boy. And im willing to give ghost rier a chance.
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:53 AM
oh "themyth" get over it the movie is called ghost rider not black hart!!! U probly don't like it cause you don't like cage. Everything ghostrider said and did was from the comics and how he acted. And "loganaspatch" that was one of the most iconic sceans ever from that movie mygod there is a panting mad from it and to see it come to life on the big screen it was amazeing and looked awsome. U seem more like a fan of movies than you are of comic book movies. U probely don't know anything about the comic or ghostrider.

And i cain't wait for a sequill I hope it gets made. And i hope they don't change the bike to much caus it looked really awsome. And mebey give him some one stronger to fight thats why the fighting was so short in the first movie. And i'll give u guys that the fight sceans were alittle short but made sence and the end could of been longer but the movie did'ent suck because of it. Im sure they will improve with the second like they did with hell boy. And im willing to give ghost rier a chance.
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:53 AM
oh "themyth" get over it the movie is called ghost rider not black hart!!! U probly don't like it cause you don't like cage. Everything ghostrider said and did was from the comics and how he acted. And "loganaspatch" that was one of the most iconic sceans ever from that movie mygod there is a panting mad from it and to see it come to life on the big screen it was amazeing and looked awsome. U seem more like a fan of movies than you are of comic book movies. U probely don't know anything about the comic or ghostrider.

And i cain't wait for a sequill I hope it gets made. And i hope they don't change the bike to much caus it looked really awsome. And mebey give him some one stronger to fight thats why the fighting was so short in the first movie. And i'll give u guys that the fight sceans were alittle short but made sence and the end could of been longer but the movie did'ent suck because of it. Im sure they will improve with the second like they did with hell boy. And im willing to give ghost rier a chance.
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:53 AM
oh "themyth" get over it the movie is called ghost rider not black hart!!! U probly don't like it cause you don't like cage. Everything ghostrider said and did was from the comics and how he acted. And "loganaspatch" that was one of the most iconic sceans ever from that movie mygod there is a panting mad from it and to see it come to life on the big screen it was amazeing and looked awsome. U seem more like a fan of movies than you are of comic book movies. U probely don't know anything about the comic or ghostrider.

And i cain't wait for a sequill I hope it gets made. And i hope they don't change the bike to much caus it looked really awsome. And mebey give him some one stronger to fight thats why the fighting was so short in the first movie. And i'll give u guys that the fight sceans were alittle short but made sence and the end could of been longer but the movie did'ent suck because of it. Im sure they will improve with the second like they did with hell boy. And im willing to give ghost rier a chance.
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:53 AM
oh "themyth" get over it the movie is called ghost rider not black hart!!! U probly don't like it cause you don't like cage. Everything ghostrider said and did was from the comics and how he acted. And "loganaspatch" that was one of the most iconic sceans ever from that movie mygod there is a panting mad from it and to see it come to life on the big screen it was amazeing and looked awsome. U seem more like a fan of movies than you are of comic book movies. U probely don't know anything about the comic or ghostrider.

And i cain't wait for a sequill I hope it gets made. And i hope they don't change the bike to much caus it looked really awsome. And mebey give him some one stronger to fight thats why the fighting was so short in the first movie. And i'll give u guys that the fight sceans were alittle short but made sence and the end could of been longer but the movie did'ent suck because of it. Im sure they will improve with the second like they did with hell boy. And im willing to give ghost rier a chance.
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:53 AM
oh "themyth" get over it the movie is called ghost rider not black hart!!! U probly don't like it cause you don't like cage. Everything ghostrider said and did was from the comics and how he acted. And "loganaspatch" that was one of the most iconic sceans ever from that movie mygod there is a panting mad from it and to see it come to life on the big screen it was amazeing and looked awsome. U seem more like a fan of movies than you are of comic book movies. U probely don't know anything about the comic or ghostrider.

And i cain't wait for a sequill I hope it gets made. And i hope they don't change the bike to much caus it looked really awsome. And mebey give him some one stronger to fight thats why the fighting was so short in the first movie. And i'll give u guys that the fight sceans were alittle short but made sence and the end could of been longer but the movie did'ent suck because of it. Im sure they will improve with the second like they did with hell boy. And im willing to give ghost rier a chance.
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:53 AM
oh "themyth" get over it the movie is called ghost rider not black hart!!! U probly don't like it cause you don't like cage. Everything ghostrider said and did was from the comics and how he acted. And "loganaspatch" that was one of the most iconic sceans ever from that movie mygod there is a panting mad from it and to see it come to life on the big screen it was amazeing and looked awsome. U seem more like a fan of movies than you are of comic book movies. U probely don't know anything about the comic or ghostrider.

And i cain't wait for a sequill I hope it gets made. And i hope they don't change the bike to much caus it looked really awsome. And mebey give him some one stronger to fight thats why the fighting was so short in the first movie. And i'll give u guys that the fight sceans were alittle short but made sence and the end could of been longer but the movie did'ent suck because of it. Im sure they will improve with the second like they did with hell boy. And im willing to give ghost rier a chance.
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:53 AM
oh "themyth" get over it the movie is called ghost rider not black hart!!! U probly don't like it cause you don't like cage. Everything ghostrider said and did was from the comics and how he acted. And "loganaspatch" that was one of the most iconic sceans ever from that movie mygod there is a panting mad from it and to see it come to life on the big screen it was amazeing and looked awsome. U seem more like a fan of movies than you are of comic book movies. U probely don't know anything about the comic or ghostrider.

And i cain't wait for a sequill I hope it gets made. And i hope they don't change the bike to much caus it looked really awsome. And mebey give him some one stronger to fight thats why the fighting was so short in the first movie. And i'll give u guys that the fight sceans were alittle short but made sence and the end could of been longer but the movie did'ent suck because of it. Im sure they will improve with the second like they did with hell boy. And im willing to give ghost rier a chance.
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:53 AM
sorry about all the times i posted the stupid thing wasent working so a kept clicking. lol :)
Logan-X - 3/23/2009, 12:57 AM
@Venom001: Obviously you are the only moron who was unable to logically deduce that based on the info already given, and, uh, hello, it's a comic book movie website. Some COMIC fans may appreciate knowing that an actor who is an actual fan want to portray a comic character. Your lack of deductive reasoning is astounding. I hope you haven't reproduced. Now, I forgive you for taking your bad evening out on me.

@Logan-X: I never said I didn't want to see sequels of either of those. I think Cage did a good enough job. And it may not have been called Blackheart, but if YOU knew anything about the comics, you know they [frick]ed the character up, and a shitty villain makes for an uninteresting movie. If you'd noted my first statement about the director, you'd know that's where I feel the main problems lie in those movie's and why they don't even come to par in competition to the more recent mentionables. Ben Affleck for DD was one of the worst casting choices I've ever seen. Had they used someone better for the role, it would have made for a much better movie as many of the elements were there.

Jeez! What's with people being so pissed and venting in posts? Ridiculous. Grow up.
TheMyth - 3/23/2009, 12:57 AM
Wow themyth I was just about to defend you and you had to go and be childish.

The system is fairly easy to work out you click post comment once and wait. Every time you click post you spam the board.

Why don't you try that nifty little delete button.
stupify_me - 3/23/2009, 1:07 AM
I gotta ask how was Ben Affleck such a terrible choice. The guy isn't at all a bad actor and I found him to be very convincing in the role. The major problems were the extreme camp elements that were written in Electra hurt it because she took away from the Daredevil aspect of it and made it more of a shared film and the Villians were poorly chosen and cast. I fail to see anything wrong with Affleck.
stupify_me - 3/23/2009, 1:31 AM
@stupify_me: It was his fighting. It all looked to rehearsed and even at times like he was still struggling with the choreography. It was almost awkward at times to me. Daredevil fights with great acrobatic skill and finesse. He was fine as Murdock, but not as the alter ego. I liken it to George Clooney as Batman. Affleck is a fine actor, just not a good Daredevil... at all. If your referring to Bullseye when you say '... the Villians were poorly chosen and cast." then I agree. I feel like Colin overacted it a bit, even though Bullseye is an over-the-top character.
TheMyth - 3/23/2009, 1:45 AM
The fighting in my opinion wasn't at all Ben's fault. The place that blame right on the shoulders of the Director and the choreography.

I was referring to Bullseye and King pin I thought both were awful choices. Some people have argued who else would you cast as King Pin and for me I usually find that there is always someone out that and if you honest to god can't find anyone decently suitable to the role then change something write him out or something.
stupify_me - 3/23/2009, 2:08 AM
hey i thought the ghost rider was ok like all comic book movies try to c them all at the cinemas im new to this this so give me a break
greenskin - 3/23/2009, 2:19 AM
Your right it wasn't that bad. I think the reason some people really bash it is one of two things they have an unnatural and unfair hatred for all things Cage or two they expected more out of it and were disappointed it. It wasn't among the best or worst of comic films it was simply just ok and a lot of people over hyped them selves on it because fairly early on it had a lot of promise.
stupify_me - 3/23/2009, 2:41 AM
It's good news for the production if they decide to film in Europe (prague hopefully), so they can take a note from Deltorro, just hang up on them everytime they give you a shit idea and blame it on the bad connection.
iNsaneMilesy - 3/23/2009, 3:50 AM
Sorry, I just can't get on board with anything Nicolas Cage, he just comes off as an awkward high schooler in the senior play.

As for the first movie, I enjoyed it. Certainly no Iron Man, but it was fun. I think it should be viewed for what it was though, a western. I mean come on, it had Peter Fonda and Sam Elliot (who is only THA MAN)! If that doesn't say western I don't know what does.
J. "Falcon" Ayers - 3/23/2009, 3:57 AM
i only watched it to see the Melbourne (my home cities) landmarks but i didnt think it was terrible but im not gonna go out of my way to watch it again.
Boekelaar - 3/23/2009, 4:10 AM
it took like 4 or 5 years just to get the first one made.

oh heres the trailer.

grif - 3/23/2009, 4:17 AM
FalconX2 you don't make much sense. So you don't get on board with any thing Nic Cage yet you enjoyed the first one?

I don't understand the blind hatred for Cage he is a great actor. If anyone actually watched his earlier films they would see that. If you base your opinion off of the films he has been picking in the last 4 years than you shouldn't even be watching movies anyway.
stupify_me - 3/23/2009, 4:29 AM
I LOVED THE FIRST ONE, YOU NEVER CAN MAKE IT EXACTLLY LIKE THE COMIC BUT IT DID A FAIRLY GOOD JOB, THEY TOOK LIBERTIES BUT THEY WERE ACCEPTABLE. ID LOVE TO SEE PETER FONDA AS MEPHISTO AGAIN, IT WOULD BE COOL IF MEPHISTO SENT BADILINO OR VENGENCE AFTER JHONNY BLAZE, MAYBE BRING IN SOME OTHER MARVEL MONSTERS INTO THE FOLD.
GUNSMITH - 3/23/2009, 5:03 AM
nicholas cage sucks, and so did the movie, the villain reminded me of ben stiller in dodgeball, the acting almost seemed awful on purpose. ghost rider just isnt gonna work
fotc - 3/23/2009, 6:27 AM
Cage CAN be a great actor..but more often than not these days he just phones it in and has almost become a parody of himself. Ghost Rider..the character..was cool and one or two scenes worked but thats it. Wes Bently was cringe inducing as Blackheart and the story was terrible..but since i had no expectations going in i didnt hate it..id watch a sequel.

Daredevil is in a different league..if just one or two things were done differently it would have been a great movie, but i couldnt get over the gay Hells Angel costume and some very dodgy moments (playground fight, bad cgi, most of the fight scenes) but even so its still very good and i think totally underrated..i mean it gets lumped in with Ghost Rider, FF and Elektra as a failure and it does not deserve that
Rorschach01 - 3/23/2009, 6:38 AM
I think Cage is fine but the movie was freaking awful the time that Ghost Rider went "uh uh uhhuuu" and did that thing with his finger I almost puked. And Blackheart was awful "Call me legion for we are maaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyyyyy"

OMFG
siggisuperman - 3/23/2009, 6:56 AM
Mark Steven Johnson needs to stay away from Marvel franchises period. Ghost Rider and Daredevil didn't suck but they were boring, monotonous and unimpressive. IMHO, get a good director instead of a sub-standard one. They should listen to Cage, he is a comic book fan and a collector and he has made a valid point "more horror". Sounds like Cage should direct the next GR.
SirPrize - 3/23/2009, 6:59 AM
If they make a sequel with more horror they need to show the "True" demonic representations of Blackheart and Mephisto. Also bring out my favorite character in the series Vengeance! Represent these three characters correctly along with a good script and it should be watchable. More action and horror and less jelly beans and The Carpenters music (although I do like their music). As long as Nic Cage's hair piece stays on his head he should be fine.
icebergslick - 3/23/2009, 7:40 AM
The problem with GhostRider WAS the acting but not Nick Cage's. Other than Nick Cage, Donald Logue and Sam Elliott, every other performance in that movie sucked MAJOR balls. The worst possible performances were EVA MENDEZ (god damn that girl can't act and is also baby vomit award worthy) and Peter Fonda. I don't know what the [frick] he was trying to pull with his performance but he looked like a senile old fart that was lost for words. You want a convincing demon, try Viggo Mortensen (The Prophecy), Peter Stormare (constantine), Tim Curry (Legend), Sam Neill (Event Horizon), Gabriel Byrne (End of Days) hell even Charles Dance was better in the freakin golden child!!! If i can offer someone else that would have similar looks to Peter Fonda but would actually be able to land a BELIEVEBLE performance, Rutger Hauer, Lance Henrickson or maybe even Jack Nicholson would've been way better!!!!! And the western ride that the two ghostriders did WAS lame because it served no other purpose than give us gratuitous effects and a lame riding theme track. If he would have gone up against Blackheart to help Blaze and then died on the battlefield then good, the ride would've had a better purpose... but it didn't.

I personnaly can't wait for a sequel! They got a great actor for the main role, kick ass special effects and going after the freakin church is totally the way to go! Can't wait!!! :)
Shaman - 3/23/2009, 7:51 AM
Cool!!!!!!!!!!!! I loved GHOST RIDER an NIC CAGE was great in it!!! Why you lot disliked it is beyond me!!! It was a awesome piece of cinema!!! Can't wait for the sequel!!! Would love to see a cameo of someone from the MARVEL UBIVERSE in it! Like Nic did!!! Cool news!!!!!!!! Oh and i thought the special effects were amazing!!!!! ; ) Lol Logan-X !
LEEE777 - 3/23/2009, 8:02 AM
I personally thought that Daredevil was the best non marvel produced movie that was made and had no problems with Affleck but I am definitely in the minority on that as for ghostrider that was a piece of shit. Best part of that movie was Sam Elliott.
LastSon1027 - 3/23/2009, 8:17 AM
I'm just happy that Cage is sticking with the role. I hate it when movies recast.
BmanHall - 3/23/2009, 8:31 AM
Sam Elliott was perfect casting :) The movie diserved a way more EPIC ending than it did though. That was the most decieving part IMO. Other than that, it was a cool effects driven action movie which leaves alot of room for a kick ass sequel.
Shaman - 3/23/2009, 8:38 AM
Sam Elliot always fits the bill when a role for a man that has a pornstach or when wearing a cowboy hat is involved. IMHO Sam Elliot made Ghost Rider.
SirPrize - 3/23/2009, 9:27 AM
I cant believe that ANY of u comic book lovers are saying that Ghost Rider was a good movie!!!! That movie was worse that Punisher Warzone. U guys are just pathetic. And c'mon Shaman. I thought u of all ppl would have agreed with me, but u thought the movie was good? That movie sucked. This movie along with DareDevil and a few other serious let-downs need a MAJOR ****ING REBOOT!!!
SolidSnake910 - 3/23/2009, 9:34 AM
Just a few notes: MSJ had very minimal input into casting Affleck in DD. Also the problems with DD were mostly due to producers sticking their noses where they shouldn't (especially in the theatrical cut, you get a much better feel for what Mark was trying to do in the director's cut). Just wanted to get that out there =) as to GR... I have to admit I still haven't gotten around to seeing it (it's on my to do list somewhere... if I ever have time to find said list), but knowing how big a fan Mark is I bet he'd love to be attached when he wraps up his other commitments.
ComicChic - 3/23/2009, 9:38 AM
As much as I want to blame Johnson for the debacle that was Daredevil, it was released by FOX so I can imagine the amount of meddling that the studio had in it.

But then Johnson did Ghost Rider with Sony, and that was a Shit Sandwich. Just awful. I stopped reading Ghost Rider in the mid-90's and found they used some of the elements of the character. But I didn't see the movie just so I could hear him say "Penance Stare". I wanted to see a Ghost Rider movie. And sadly, it wasn't.
TucsonRican - 3/23/2009, 9:54 AM
I'm (almost) as big a comic nerd as any of you guys here, and I'm also a movie nut - I enjoyed Ghostrider and Daredevil. They weren't what I would call Oscar -worthy pieces of comic cinema (a la The Dark Knight), but the production value was there, in my opinion. Affleck made a convincing Matt Murdock - I know it's easy to not like him, based on his movie choices and that whole Bennifer phase, but we must be fair in saying that the Daredevil flick was good and deserves a sequel. As far as Ghost Rider, I see that the Spirits of Vengeance ride was pretty corny, but it was also kinda cool. Sam Elliott, in my opinion, is a bad-ass dude, and should've had more of a role to play at the end. Nic Cage is a good actor (see "Leaving Las Vegas") who accepts a lot of bad movie roles. But, Ghost Rider wasn't as terrible as some have made it out to be. It was an intro film to a classic b-rated character. The sequel SHOULD be more violent, more action-packed, and certainly more horror-filled, AND . . . . . hopefully NO Eva Mendez. That was the main drawback in the first film, I believe. This is one of those characters whose powers are so great, that he will require no useless distractions, and should have to fight multiple villains at one. This is a great opportunity for Marvel to do a crossover storyline, which provides pure lubricant for you FanBoys, and good entertainment value for the non-comic reader. In regards to Daredevil, I say NO reboot. Have a crossover FILM with he and Spidey that promises a decent conclusion to both of their storylines. Reboots are stupid - see War Zone Punisher for proof. Anyway, I am wayyyyy off topic. Can't wait for GR2 - title it "Spirit of Vengeance", and people will be there opening day.
MrYetti - 3/23/2009, 10:07 AM
Punisher War Zone is the definitive answer for "reboots"?

What about Batman Begins? The Incredible Hulk? Casino Royale? C'mon...

The chances of them doing a crossover movie are about as good as Bill O'Reilly purchasing a Ludacris album. Ain't going to happen! Now occasionally, there have been combined efforts with studios (i.e. Master and Commander, Lord of the Rings) but those weren't with tentpole projects.

I would love to see Tobey Maguirre in an Avengers movie. But I don't think it will happen (and how good would it be to reunite him with his monk lover Downey Jr?)
TucsonRican - 3/23/2009, 10:21 AM
IIIII LOVEED THE DAREDEVIL DIRECTORS CUT (said in enlogated way)


sorry about that just had to say it
FattSmelliott - 3/23/2009, 10:25 AM
I'm not a big fan of Cage but i did enjoy the first film even though i don't know a lot about Ghost Rider. (just from his cameos in other comics) the only thing that disappointed me about the first film was that they never showed Mephisto or Blackheart in their true forms, Blackheart was hinted at when he got overpowered at the end but he never transformed into it which would have been awesome to see.
Osiris - 3/23/2009, 10:28 AM
GR could have been better in many areas especially supporting cast. The star tops a movie, but the supporting roles hold the movie up if they are weak the structure falls hard and I think GR suffered from that. Mendez, though a truly beautiful woman, is just an Alba level flat actress, and God help me I nearly had a heart attack at seeing Blackheart made into an trenchcoated expressionless metrosexual emo throwback by Wes Bentley who I have always found to be just as flat as Mendez. The movie suffered from weak villains and elemental fights that someone once compared to watching a videogame level boss cut scene due to the ease of their dispatching. Sam Elliot was one of the best parts of the movie, but I never understood why they didn’t have him go out fighting in the final act, why just ride with Blaze into danger and then fade away? It’s like driving someone into the middle of a riot dropping them off half way and saying have a great walk home. It just felt flat to me. The sequel will need to be darker more occult based and have a better casting director, MSJ I could live with him or without him, but he is quickly running out of good will from me, one more pooper and he falls on my shitlist with Ratner and Stephen Sommers.
nerosday - 3/23/2009, 10:38 AM
And as for Cage; well Cage is just Cage, love him or hate him, he plays Nick Cage in every movie. Sometimes it's Nick cage the drunk, Nick Cage the funny voiced fifties teen, Nick Cage with the flaming skull head. He's one of those actors like Jack Nicholson or John Wayne; the power of the performance is how well, or cool Jack or the Duke appeared in situation the movie placed them in. But in the end they are just seemingly being themselves in any given movie. Personally I like him. The same could be said for Sam Elliot too.
nerosday - 3/23/2009, 10:45 AM
THIS IS FOR THE MYTH.....
the more and more i come on this and actually check out the comments to the point where i leave my own.........i'm starting to agree with damn near anything you say. i scrolled down since the first few to post my comments, but yes Daredevil was terrible. ben was a shitty choice for dd, i would actually pick his butt buddy, matt damon. everything you said about the fight scenes where right, even when he was a kid. and to make it worse i watched this shit the other day on fx. i think elektra was better, i watched that the other day with the kids. it needs to be re done. frank miller needs to have a huge part in it and it needs to be more arty. i think if elektra was re done too, rated r of course, and i don't mind jennifer, that would be a cult favorite. as for the topic at hand, ghost rider wasn't good. the cgi was great, ghost rider was great, the bike was great, eva is a goddess, and the care taker was great. black heart was the biggest disappointment. in the comic, he is the shit. and nic cage, i know he likes the role, but a lot of times i feel like i am watching him and not his character, like hale berry in x men. i understand things are not going to be like the comics, like last night i read weapon x, and realized that i am the greatest wolverine fan ever, but this movie is not going to be any where never the excitement that the book was. i understand those things when i go into the movies, and i don't mind if they change things around. but blackheart, no, that is him. venom, no, that is him. there are things that you don't change. period.
loelife - 3/23/2009, 10:45 AM
@Loelife

i think i understand what your saying and i agree, you can change up story a bit but when you change characters personalities or give them a campy actor it just ruins the whole character and that ruins the movie.
Osiris - 3/23/2009, 11:06 AM
I was never a huge fan of Nicholas Cage's, but I have to admit a certain admiration for the fan boy in him wanting to continue the franchise. As for the first movie, I think we can all collectively agree (fingers crossing) that what worked, worked well (ie. the Ghost Rider effects and the action scenes)... What didn't work was the ensemble cast (discluding Sam Elliott, and to my surprise Nick Cage), and every other special effect in the film!
I was absolutely disgusted at what little they did with Mephisto and Blackheart (especially).
One last thing that I keep thinking about the film that I didn't like... What was with the Ghost Rider's voice, and why did he keep pointing at everything like Babe Ruth at bat?!
Overall, it was a decent movie however, and I would love to see a sequal if it was done correctly, but with more effective FX for the villains! ;-)
adamant877 - 3/23/2009, 11:06 AM
TucsonRican - the recent hulk movie wasnt a reboot it looked like an hulk 2 to me. i think they just didnt call it hulk 2 because of lawyer and hidden stuff i know nothing about, maybe they did it just to piss off ang lee. maybe im alone in this but it seemed to me the new hulk movie carried on from the first, he ended south of the equator like how the first one ended. and they only did flashbacks on the accident of how he became the hulk.

the only reboots i would call reboots are movies like king kong, godzilla.. jason and michael myer's movies where nothing really changes from what we know about the character its just updated with current clothes and music and like things.

Cross overs need to happen NOW! its about time, ive been hearing alot of the human torch for crossover work, that guy who played him also had an "generic comic like movie" out (dont know the name of it) so that guy seems game, i dont see who loses money if a crossover were to happen.

loganaspatch - 3/23/2009, 11:07 AM
Good point MrYeti, just say no to Eva Mendez!
ComicChic - 3/23/2009, 11:27 AM
It sorta wasn't Logan @ I didn't see INCREDIBLE HULK as a reboot either!! By the way i bought GHOST RIDER on Blue Ray! It's a awesome piece of work!!! Can't wait for 2!!! ; ) p.s. i loved DAREDEVIL aswell lol!!! Yeah no EVA!!!
LEEE777 - 3/23/2009, 11:29 AM
ok ghost rider was ok not great but not horrible it was ok. i like the fact that they gave a nod to the western ghost rider that was cool. the main villian really shouldn't have been blackheart they should have dealt more with jonny trying to break the ghost rider curse with mepthiso and then brought blackheart in during the second movie. DD wasn't bad either but it wasn't good once again it was ok. afflack was not the guy for the job but he didn't do horrible
dogchasingcars - 3/23/2009, 12:14 PM
Don't hve it have anything to do with the Catholic Church, please. You're skating on thin ice there, and can likely offend a lot of people.

BTW, Craig Ferguson should be given a cameo, seeing as how he's talked about that movie so much on his show. He's always saying how thinks Ghost Rider is "the greatest movie ever," and it would be really funny to see him pop his head in the sequel.
slimybug - 3/23/2009, 12:33 PM
Don't hve it have anything to do with the Catholic Church, please. You're skating on thin ice there, and can likely offend a lot of people.

BTW, Craig Ferguson should be given a cameo, seeing as how he's talked about that movie so much on his show. He's always saying how thinks Ghost Rider is "the greatest movie ever," and it would be really funny to see him pop his head in the sequel.
slimybug - 3/23/2009, 12:33 PM
The Spirit of Vengeance was a victim of a sh#tty script. I just saw Ghost Rider for the first time 2 the other nite,...and it did nothing but give me another reason 2 really,...I mean really dislike Mark Steven Johnson. The movie sucked.....flat out. No redeeming factors whatsoever....okay, I'm lying. The shot of him riding up the side of the building was bananas, but that is it. From the wack villians....who just didn't seem 2 put up much of a fight, to the corny lines and CGI. I'm not the fan-boy that needs everything 2 be exactly like the book.....that's not always going 2 be a possibility, but I need the movie 2 be better than that. Besides the script,....and in some cases poor casting(Peter Fonda?! Easy Rider?...yeah. Mephisto?!....no!)....the overall look of the movie was schlocky and 2 polished. I reference movies like Constantine and the first 2 Blade movies......being that the subject matters of the source material is placed in a darker type world, and the Ghost Rider books reflected that. The first Blade had that gritty and nasty vibe,.....while it did have the light moments....it happened naturally and didn't seem force fed. The second movie, while being cleaned up and stylized a bit,....still retain that dark and very violent edge....screw that corny Blade Trinity. Constantine....followed that path, while not entirely going in Blade's footsteps.....the world they inhabited was dark as it related 2 Constantine, but dark nonetheless and U really got a sense of the importance of his role and the things he faced. With Ghosty(....and I love this character and Nick Cage,...this is why it hurt even more)...U really don't get much of a feeling of seriousness 2 what he had done in selling his soul 2 the devil. I think the CGI would have had a much bigger impact if shot in a darker type tone. Not being an a$$, but I was really waiting for Scooby-Doo 2 show up and unmask the devil. The movie was more visual spectacle,....and really didn't give up any bite. Mr. Johnson screwed up DareDevil and Ghost,...2 of my favorites. I really felt like I was watching a comic book movie.....and that is not a compliment. We know we can get better movies than this.....Xmen2, Batman Begins, Spider-Man2, Constantine, Sin City....proof positive of good scripts and keeping true 2 the core and world of the character. I never thought anything would top Fantastic Four in kinda sucking,....let alone a movie about Ghost Rider. I stand corrected. 'Nuff said.
BTW:As far as Daredevil..and Ghost Rider for that matter if we can only pick out key scenes or shots as redeeming cool factors, than the movie sucked. U can still love the characters and comics, and still be objective enuff to say it stunk. Daredevil let down, by how strong it started. It looked like it was going down the right path, epsecially with the dude getting ran over by the train, and that lil' line Dardevils drops on him just before it hits....but as soon as Elektra comes into the picture, it was downhill from there,...and I like Elektra, but I think it was too soon...and her story was too good to be compacted in such a way, much like how we would see Venom treated in SpiderMan 3. Ben and the rest of the actors were only going to be as good as the script, so I hold no grudges with them or question ability. Alot of the wire work was flimsy looking at times, some scenes were just completely out of line(playground fight, anyone?!)...at least the costume was pretty damn decent..loved the look of the radar...and that bar fight in the opening had me thinking I was in for a treat the rest of the way. It seemed like it was trying 2 be a Daredevil movie full throttle,...and then in the next scene it felt like SpiderMan. Just wish it could have kept its heart in Hell's Kitchen and stay away from Aunt May's house.
xmentheeight - 3/23/2009, 12:34 PM
I thought Daredevil was much better then Ghost Rider and Punisher Warzone. I do hate Nic Cage. I've hated him for so long I don't even remember why anymore. The only movie I've liked him in was Raising Arizona. There were other movies of his I didn't mind, but it has always been b/c of the supporting cast. I think Ghost Rider even looked rediculous. I think it's just not a character that translates well to screen. The only way the movie could come off realistic looking at all would be if Guillermo Del Toro would direct it.

Blackheart was horrible too. Sam Elliot was the only good aspect of this film IMO
Juicerules - 3/23/2009, 12:36 PM
I agree with the Myth about two things, Mark Steven Johnson should never be allowed to direct any comic book property ever again. He is a cheesedick and cheeses up the movie, its not hard to portray the iconic images on the big screen cause you just take it from the source material, but when you start adding see-saw kungfu lovedance crap to Daredevil, you need to be stripped of your director's chair. Ghost Rider was significantly better...until the end. What a crock of crap! Blackheart deserved better and having the climax last like all of like 2 minutes was horrible. I hope they do a sequel, with a different director, like David Goyer or Del Toro.
Legendary - 3/23/2009, 12:36 PM
I own ghost rider and I hate!!!!!!! that movie. Gawd it was soooooo F'ing Lame! I own a copy to help support comic movies and to keep at least one copy from getting into a childs hands. Those Prima-Demons were like watching a really bad caberet show based on the band Korn and there rise and fall from fame. So gay and not in the good way!Why didnt eva's clothes get torn off? why didnt the demons hurt anybody? Black heart so lame. me angry !!! Shibazz Smash copy of Ghost Rider!!!!!! but i would be down for a part two. I love Eva's rack
shibazz - 3/23/2009, 12:40 PM
I am a Nick Cage fan and he did a good job playing Johnny Blaze it was the writer of the movie they needed to have the villains more tougher and last longer than Ghost Rider just wrapping them in his chain. Yeah Blackhart was not that good but still it did good in the boxoffice.
PeterParker90 - 3/23/2009, 12:58 PM
OMG!!!!!!!!!! WHo in heavens name thought Ghost rider was OK?????...GUYS THAT MOVIE WAS SO BAD..... just thinking about it makes me throw up in my mouth a little I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE KILLED THE WHOLE FRANCHISE!!!! the movie's script was so bad the acting even worse....the graphics was stupid too....i guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion i think that movie sucked balls and ass if they wanna make a sequel someone should shoot me first and save me the torture for reals....nuff said
Neo24real - 3/23/2009, 1:08 PM
Daredevil and Ghost Rider, to me, are in the same field... They both are not-so-well-known comic book characters whose original movies were mediocre at best. The same can be said about the Punisher and Spawn, also.

Now, the reason why the movies didn't really work out all that well is because A) the characters don't have as big a following as, say, Spiderman or Batman, and B) the movies were cheesy. In at least the first movie of a comic book movie franchise, you need to be a little campy, a little straight-forward, so that the people who aren't real fans of the characters don't have any trouble understanding what the character is about. You kind of lose some of the depth of the character in the intro movie because everything is so plain-as-day. And I think that pisses comic book fans off a little and makes them blame the director. I mean, someone needs to be blamed right?

Basically what I'm saying is, I think the only way these sequels would work out is if the writers chose to really go in depth with the characters, get down to the nitty gritty, kind of like how they did with the new Batman movies. They introduced Bruce Wayne and showed exactly where he came from and what he stands for in the first one, and then went deep into his soul for the Dark Knight, showing his darkness and inner anguish.

Without some sort of emotional depth, these characters will never work out.
bobbyjones6969 - 3/23/2009, 1:12 PM
loganaspatch:"well glad you enjoyed it, but when that old man said i have been saving to turn into a ghost rider for this special moment and the [frick]ing horse popped up, and they raced thru the desert.. ugggh!!! it was just lame!"

This made me laugh cause it reminded me of Aliens vs. Pedator(the first one) when the woman and the predator became friends and started running together side by side ready to take on the aliens. That's when I was like aawww man! What the hell is going on here! lol
But in all fairness Ghost Rider wasn't that bad it just wasn't that good either. I'm glad they are giving it another shot though. It gives them a chance to fix what it seems like a lot of fans of the comic book are dissapointed in. It's sort of scary when it's your favorite character though. Cause your like "PLEASE DON'T MESS THIS UP!" Sort of how I felt with the Hulk.
-Nuff said-



Gordonious - 3/23/2009, 1:36 PM
Slimybug..dont ever read a Preacher comic..EVER!
Rorschach01 - 3/23/2009, 1:44 PM
Shibazz-"Those Prima-Demons were like watching a really bad caberet show based on the band Korn and there rise and fall from fame. So gay and not in the good way!"

that was hilarious and right on!

if i had a choice right now rather to watch Daredevil or Ghostrider it would be Daredevil and i would sit and watch the entire movie. someone said colin overacted as bullseye but what movie doesnt he overact? lol, anyways i never want to see ghost rider again and eva's rack wont even persuade me .. ill just watch training day for that :p -drool-
loganaspatch - 3/23/2009, 1:58 PM
I don't know why you guys hated DD so much. I thought it was a good movie, it was not perfect, but no movie is. To me the weakest point of the movie was Jennifer Garner, but even she was not to bad. You need to take it for what it's worth. Without Ben in it the movie would have been alot worse. Since he was a fan, he kept them from changing a lot of things, most of the bad parts were the studios idea to "lighten it up". I enjoyed DD, I've read his comics for as long as I can remember, I am a huge fan, and I wish they would make a sequel to that movie as well as Rider.

GR was not bad, it was not as good as DD, but it was not bad. My main problem as I said in the article was how they portrayed Mephisto and Blackheart. But that can easily be addressed in the sequel.
THEHAWK - 3/23/2009, 2:12 PM
I didn't love DD, but it was no where near Marvel's worst movies. In my opinion, "Hulk" took the cake, ate it, shit it out, and then smeared it on film for us to watch.
BmanHall - 3/23/2009, 2:19 PM
Oh and the "We are legion" part was a reference to the Bible. Mark 5:9 I belive Jesus healed a man who was possesd by many demons "And he (Jesus) asked him (the man), "What is thy name?" And he answered, saying, "My name is Legion: for we are many."
THEHAWK - 3/23/2009, 2:21 PM
daredevil was good you just hate it because every one else does the myth if anything the dark knight sucked all it was was some faggot batman who is hard to understand getting his ass kicked by dogs and a gay looking clown
bleedthefreak16 - 3/23/2009, 2:22 PM
Interesting how they allowed the director of Daredevil, to actually direct another film. Too bad it was Ghost Rider. As usual, Marvel [frick]ed up another character. The only solid marvel movies are iron man, spiderman, and incredible hulk. Blade was solid too. Everything else... Crap.
DarkAvengers - 3/23/2009, 2:24 PM
bleedthefreak16... So I take it you didn't care for The Dark Knight? LOL
adamant877 - 3/23/2009, 2:42 PM
"FalconX2 you don't make much sense. So you don't get on board with any thing Nic Cage yet you enjoyed the first one?"

My bad, I guess it would be better said, I don't get on board JUST BECAUSE it's Cage.

I don't necessarily think he is a BAD actor, but he is not a good one either. He has some moments that are OK, and others that come off as awkward. Like he is trying to hard.

"If you base your opinion off of the films he has been picking in the last 4 years than you shouldn't even be watching movies anyway."

Um. Why? That's like saying you should not think a new GM (picking random company, no hate) vehicle is crap, even though it'll be in the shop in a month, because 20 years ago they built great vehicles.

But if you are basing your opinion on anything that is produced by GM today, you shouldn't even be driving a car.

WTF dude?
J. "Falcon" Ayers - 3/23/2009, 3:09 PM
Another Ghostrider? Nicky Cage? Plus Mark Steven Johnson who was the co-writer and director of “Daredevil” involved again??? LOL
Ghostrider II will suck..
SUPASEGO - 3/23/2009, 3:11 PM
I enjoyed the first gr and i LOVED the Daredevil movie. DD is my all time favorite character and I have spent years researching and idolizing him and I adamently say that Ben did him justice. Everyone always talks about how terrible it was all of sudden just because Ben has become sort of punchline in hollywood. But all the characters were very true to the comics and the story line was almost ripped from the pages. So can anyone please tell me what was so awful about it?

And as for gr there were some things that could be done diffenty in a sequal but the movie was more than good enough and did good enough at the box office to deserve a sequal. And a good sequal could easily fix the few problems there were in the first movie.
gestlmutant - 3/23/2009, 3:41 PM
i'm very, VERY, forgiving of comic movies. i really like them all. i get a kick out of seeing my childhood heroes on screen. BUT....this movie was just bad. boring and bad...
bad acting, bad writing, bad editing, bad CG, bad casting, and PETER FONDA!?!? were they trying to make me laugh on purpose?
frankiepoo5 - 3/23/2009, 5:39 PM
Incredible Hulk was a reboot. Look it up. The info isn't hard to find.
TucsonRican - 3/23/2009, 8:13 PM
It was a reboot in name only but they just call it that to distance it from the first movie..if it was a reboot it would have had Banners character arc start before he was Hulk instead of a rushed over credit sequence..the story took place after the events of the Ang Lee movie..so its a sequel
Rorschach01 - 3/23/2009, 8:27 PM
how about more horror and less cage
25% of his movies are ok
(with the exception of The Rock, Matchstick Men and Con Air which are amazing)
but the rest are god awful
wicker man
what the hell was that
and ghost rider is no exception
that movie was butchered
and i hope a sequel is much more well written and much less sexy bimbos and stupid love stories
realfirstavenger - 3/23/2009, 8:41 PM
If Marvel considers it a reboot, then that's what it was. Not just in my opinion. It's what they wanted it. Hell, Betty didn't even know that he turned into the Hulk until the scene at the college. Remember he puts her in the hospital and he leaves because of Ross. She never knew that he was the Hulk until right then. Unlike in the Ang Lee version, when she sees him fight the giant poodles (ugh). And the accident where he's transformed was completely different. Betty wasn't injured. In fact, she's amazed that he is still alive, if I remember the scene right...

Even douchebag Avi Arad said it was a reboot.

Not trying to be a dick....
TucsonRican - 3/23/2009, 8:41 PM
i want to see this so called x-men movie being made with the 'first class' or whatever. now that's a movie. it should be made is the vain of Leauge of Extraordinary Gentlman. Now don't get me wrong, that movie SUCKED!!! BUT think of the look, the feel of the movie...not the story or script. You would totally be able to put them in their classic costumes. Even have Iceman in his early, rookie 'snowman' form......or in the style of hellboy even...
frankiepoo5 - 3/23/2009, 8:56 PM
TusconRican.

I know what you're saying about Incredible as a reboot.

But I have to go with Rorschach01 on this one. It's a half n half really, but the events do kind of coincide with Ang Lee's masterpiece (fk yeah I just said that). Incredible even begins with Banner in South America, right where Ang Lee left him. I tried not to pay attention to Liv Tyler, she was so awful I felt like punching myself in the junk just to keep my mind off it. So she could've been inconsistant in the story as well.
BillyBlack - 3/23/2009, 9:56 PM
Yeah you remembered the scene correctly Tuscan however in defense of what i said earlier that it didnt seem like a reboot to me.. that scene at the college of which you speak of, in the opening credits of Incredible, bruce is trying to get rid of the hulk or theres some kind of experiment going on to control it, which failed, but then that cancels out the fact that he was in south america at the end of ang lees hulk and also in south america in incredible.. :/

so reboot maybe if they are calling that, im a reasonable person if those are the facts .. but it didnt feel like 1 to me

and yeah billyblack i enjoyed ang lee's hulk as well


loganaspatch - 3/24/2009, 12:04 AM
i enjoyed it when it came out simply because it was the Hulk
but dear god have you tried to re-watch it
cause I have and it lasted all of 45 minutes before i had to shut it down
so annoying

so is it fair to say that they can make a sequel with an entirely new cast and direction, call it a reboot but still play off the stories of the old movies
becuase couldnt they then do something like that for movies like FF and Daredevil
realfirstavenger - 3/24/2009, 5:37 AM
They should never let Mark Steven Johnson anywhere NEAR a comic book movie EVER again. I wish he, and Brett Ratner, and Tim Story would just walk off a cliff somewhere and do the world a favor.
Juggernaut - 3/24/2009, 6:39 AM
I thought GR was a good enough movie to build off of I don't get how many of you say it was that horrible it's not like we're talking The Hulk here. and Eva Mendes was great eye candy in that movie so I can't say I had a problem with her. Sam Elliot and Peter Fonda were both good in the movie as well. Also DareDevil was a very underrated movie all the comic refrences were great Affleck did a great job as Matt Murdock my only problem was that there was only one big fight scene where DD just lays everybody out. I liked the Bullseye character and MCD pulled off a great Kingpin and the Director's Cut is even better. As for Elektra I've only seen the Director's Cut of that and I really couldn't say it was outright horrible. It should have been better but still I didn't think it was that bad.
JHowlett - 3/24/2009, 8:49 AM
Fair enough. Just glad we could hash it out with resorting to name calling.

Sometimes, the people on the internet can get a little.....stupid. Commenting on these pages should be like when your on a line to get your books signed by the artist. Some of the best conversations are had in those situations.
TucsonRican - 3/24/2009, 9:30 AM
I liked Ang Lees Hulk also. Its not for everybody, just like Watchmen, and he may have overdid it with the phylisophical(spl?), father/son elements..and turning Banners father into Absorbing Man was a big liberty! But he tried something different..and i thought Bana made a better Banner than Norton, Connolly was better than Tyler and Elliot was better than Hurt..so Incredible gave us more HULK SMASH..who the [frick] cares if the characters are one dimensional..obviously not a lot of you!
Rorschach01 - 3/24/2009, 10:38 AM
Couldn't agree more!

The cast in Hulk was waaaay better than that of Incredible. Betty in particular. Granted, Nick Nolte was totally over the top. But that was kind of fun for me. Ang Lee took a big risk, with all his liberties, but it worked for me. About the only thing that Incredible had over Lee's Hulk was the action packed final battle scene. If you could incorporate the Abomination battle into Lee's movie, you'd have the best of both. Tim Roth's poorly photoshopped head onto a ripped, muscleman's body was terrible. Sam Elliot was the shit as Thunderbolt too, I just felt like Hurt mailed it in. But that was most of that cast for me.

Loganaspatch

I don't know why more people don't give Lee's movie it's due. I was reading up the thread and it looks like I was just reiterating some of what you said. That's what I get for skimming. Dude, your "semi" comment killed me. Anyway, I'd much rather talk Hulk than these lame ass Nick Cage Ghostrider movies.
BillyBlack - 3/24/2009, 10:46 AM
Thanks Loganspatch.... it just feels good to let it out sometime. Yeah i liked the 1st hulk movie too just cuz it was hulk as well. But damned those hulk dogs. ah well i did love the screen cut shots and all the actors as well. Livv Tyler did not read well as a scientist and

@Ror-01 you are dead on about Hurts performance.But Hulk2 blew Hulk1 outta tha water .... so i am like Hulk 2 Smash!

I almost got in a fight with two Re-Necks at the premiere of Ghost Rumper cuz i was drunk and couldnt stop scoffing and talkin shit, I was eventually told i should just leave if i couldnt shut up about how much i couldnt stand to watch the Legend of GR get shat on .... so i did. Thats my what happened when you watched the GR movie story.
shibazz - 3/24/2009, 11:25 AM
I thought it was interesting that in Hulk, they felt the need to explain why he was turned into the hulk (i.e. his father) and just sort of went with the advanced super-soldier program mis-hap in Incredible...

I took my friend who had just had a bad break-up with a girl to see Ghost Rider, just to lighten him up. And it totally back fired. The movie wasn't even a "good" bad. It just sucked. Especially with Wes Bentley as the Villain. Ugh.
TucsonRican - 3/24/2009, 11:52 AM
Thanks TucsonRican i feel better now knowing i am not alone.
shibazz - 3/24/2009, 12:18 PM
TusconRican

Another good point. This is why I (like many) see it more as a half n half situation as far as the sequel v. reboot discussion goes. Lee's was such an origin story, that went into quite a bit of detail (some would say too much) while Incredible simply glossed over it and went with the "government is after his blood for a weapon" angle. Josh Lucas was after his blood in Lee's pic as well, which kind of keeps that story going. It's not a true sequel, not 100% reboot either. Probably the most unique situation a franchise has encountered IMO.

That's funny about GR backfiring on you. I can't imagine that movie cheering anyone up.
BillyBlack - 3/24/2009, 12:39 PM
I AM A DEVOUT GHOST RIDER FAN.

And the Movie was ATROCIOUS. 2 hours of my life, I'll never get back.

THIS FRANCHISE IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF A REBOOT, MARVEL COMICS!!!

Are you reading this, Stan Lee and Avi Arad?! I hope so!

GO BACK TO THE ROOTS OF THE BOOK! Everybody knows that the TRUE VILLIAN of the Ghost Rider Mythos is ZARATHOS! John Blaze spent the entire series trying to rid himself of the Demon that possessed him! Throughout his struggles, he happen to make enemies such as BlackHeart, and Centurious, but ZARATHOS was the real threat. Ghost Rider is a anti-hero at best.

GET RID OF NICHOLAS CAGE. His best movie was CON-AIR. That's as good as it's gonna get for him. Replace him with JENSEN ECKLES (Dean Whinchester from Supernatural) to play Blaze. No offense to Eva Mendes (I Love you, Eva!) but Roxanne was a old fashioned country gal, so get someone like Taylor Swift, or Carrie Underwood, a fresh faced blue eyed girl-next-door from the South to play Roxanne. Someone Scary as Hell to play Mephisto (Tom Cruise maybe? lol jk) and BY GOD, GET ROB ZOMBIE TO DIRECT IT!!! Rob Zombie can do the cross country gritty dark road movie! Hell, get his Ladie: Sherri Moon Zombie to be Roxanne!

GIVE THIS FRANCHISE TO ROB ZOMBIE, SO HE CAN SAVE IT!!!

Come on, Marvel Comics!!! Live up to your name! MArvel us!!!
SpiderMan209 - 3/24/2009, 1:37 PM
The best thing about Con Air was Cages Mullet! Check out Adaptation, Leaving las Vegas, Raising Arizona, Wild At Heart..all class Cage performances..he just gets lazy when it comes to more action orientated stuff for some reason.

Dont get me wrong Shibaz i enjoyed Hulk 2 as much as the first one but for totally different reasons..like Billyblack says, the 2 movies combined would make up a class movie!

lol at the drunken cinema adventure! I went to see that Affleck movie Paycheck with a few ales on me..i laughed all the way through it. I got a few sshhhhhs but the movie was so bad nobody seemed to mind that much..and talking in the cinema is my pet hate too!..i became what i hate the most:(
Rorschach01 - 3/24/2009, 1:51 PM
"This is your bbq, Cyrus, and it tastes good."
- Cameron Poe

That movie had its moments.
DarkAvengers - 3/24/2009, 2:11 PM
@Ror, sound like me when I was dagged to see Mama Mia. I sang all the wrong words to those damn songs. I annoyed people until my fiancee "allowed" me to leave.

And who the hell suggested Carrie Underwear and Taylor, can't think of a joke bad enough about her, to play Roxanne? They are horrible singers who have ruined the fine art that WAS Country Music. Way back when, there were amazing singers :Waylon Jennings, Merle Haggard, Hank Williams, Loretta Lynn. Now everyone is doing country, was up rockers, washed up actors. And worst of all is the Blonde Squad. All of these new recycled pop, American Idol rejects are all coming to country, why? Because it has one of the largest group of listeners in the world, its big in asia. But Music as a whole has begun to degrade. Whatever happened to singerss and bands like Bob Dylan, Jimmy Hendrix, The Doors, Steely Dan, Dire Straits, Blackfoot, and my personal favorite Led Zeplin. That is real music! Singers and bands like these are what all of to days music is founded upon.
THEHAWK - 3/24/2009, 2:16 PM
Hey! I was thinking in terms of pretty blonde Southern chicks I'd like to bone, thank you very much! Where does Music factor into this?

Besides I believe I redeemed myself by suggesting Sherri Moon Zombie as Roxanne.

Cool taste in music though, Bro. I'm all about the classic Rock too. ACDC's Highway to Hell for the REBOOT GHOST RIDER Soundtrack! :)
SpiderMan209 - 3/24/2009, 3:24 PM
@ Spiderman209. Hey its cool man. I know what you mean. I just get mad when anyone suggests them for ...anything.

As far as AC/DC count me in dude. Honestly for a music score, I'd like to see what they did back in the old days. They would have a rock band do original songs and compose the complete score for the film, like Simon and Garfunkleb did the complete score for the Graduate, which brought about one of their biggest hits, Mrs. Robinson. A cool Ghost Rider score would be if David Gilmore from Pink Floyd produced it, that would be sick. He did most of Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall.
THEHAWK - 3/24/2009, 6:20 PM
man [frick] cage. that dude destroyed ghost rider and not to mention the last couple movies he has done. i liked him in some of his movies but dude ur time has ended. and if u make a sequel with the same people that ur just an idiot. like that movie was whorid!!! yeah i meant to speel it that way cause it was whorish! that cast sucks and so did the story line, the fighting, and everything. i mean what is the deal with all of these movies having the final fight be like 5 minutes. did they ever see movies like gladiator where it was just this epic battle that left u feeling pumped up. i mean transformers did an awesome job with their final battle.
HUSoldier - 3/24/2009, 9:01 PM
HIGHWAY TO HELL!!! HELL YEAH!!!

And can anybody give me a "Hell's bells"??? Damn right!

Now we could truly answer the question "ARE YOU READY for a good time"? HEEEEELLLLLLL YEAH!!!!!!

See now your talking my language, dudes! I'm all about AC/DC, Ingwe Malmsteen, Guns n' Roses, DEF LEPPARD, "Slippery when wet" Bon Jovi (not the new shit) RAISE YOUR HANDS BABY, RAISE YO MA'FUHKIN' HANDS!!!
Shaman - 3/25/2009, 7:01 AM
Wonder if they will ever do Danny Ketch? Even though the Rider they used was the Ketch version...
TucsonRican - 3/25/2009, 9:50 AM
i think ghost rider is cool, though im not a huge fan. therefore, i dont understand him in the ways that others do. but as a casual comic book hero fan, i enjoyed ghost rider. far from the best ive seen, but not even close to the one i enjoyed the least. personally, i'd have to give that title to elektra
DirkaDirka - 3/30/2009, 9:23 AM
Nicolas Cage should just stop... He's a terrible actor and an even more terrible Ghost Rider...
joNathanPetrelli - 4/4/2009, 2:40 PM
Bring Ghost Rider back Bring Ghost Rider back Bring Ghost Rider Back....I want to see another movie of it!
GhostArtist1990 - 4/28/2009, 9:47 AM
One nicolas cage has done good and bad movies ' one of his best was con air.. two his worst movie is a tie between The Weatherman and Family man. Jesus lord almighty how could anybody like the weather man it was extreamly boring the family man made no sense and a sucky ending . As for Ghost Rider that was a good movie I enjoyed it. Dark Night was good but too damn long and some scenes were over acted and then killing off a good villan Two-Face come one that's what was wrong from the early Batman films knocking off the villans.
I could go for a darker Ghost Rider with no love intrest in the film all action....
Movies are at most hit or miss you either like it or you don't.
georgia49th - 6/23/2009, 5:53 PM

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