Ray Fisher Continues To Drag Joss Whedon: "[He] Had Nearly Two Years To Get His Story Straight"

@Twenty23Three - Wonder Woman launched Gal's career, same with Aquaman and Jason's career, Justice League could've done the same for Ray...of course he is pissed!

@TheHumanSpider2 - No reason. No [frick]ing reason! He has long lost the moral high ground.

@Twenty23Three -

I don't know him and I don't know what he's like in real-life, but I like his work as an actor and he always had my sympathy about this whole nightmare. But I still think it's time for him to let the past behind and dedicate himself to his work. He has clearly shown in the Snyder Cut that he's far from the bad actor Whedon says he is.

As for Whedon, his career is already over so no point to start the whole argument again. Whedon's attempt to restore his reputation has backfired spectacularly, portraying him as even worse than before (tellingly, his justification about Gal Gadot's accusations - that his true intentions were "lost in translation" - are even more condescending toward her than what she previously denounced).

@Amuro - You can understand the frustration, but you must also understand that reacting as much as he did to that frustration so publicly literally destroyed any chance he had of getting back what he lost

He nuked that bridge. He had a few projects still open to him, until he started this crusade. Co-starring in Flash could have lead to him being on that new Justice League team rumored to be at the end of that movie. Theatrical and Streaming options all gone, just because he NEEDED to destroy Hamada after Ass Whedon was already toast

@lordSTALE -

Yes, while I think he was right to denounce the abuse initially, I think he should have stopped as soon as Warner opened an internal investigation. At that point, he already encouraged a lot of Whedon's victims to speak up, it was no longer the "Ray Fisher" case.

His inability to move on has clearly damaged his career. The studios are wary of employing him because they fear what he could say later.

And to think that all that started because some Warner executives thought that they had to fix what wasn't broken to begin with (and managed to break it in the process).

@OmegaDaGrodd -

I agree. I understand Fisher's frustrations with getting his role reduced to... well, almost nothing (and it destroyed the whole movie by reducing it to the most generic superhero formula), but that doesn't mean that he was a victim of racism.

Even if Whedon really did want to destroy his career by reducing his screentime and making him look like a bad actor on screen (which could be the case since that's what the theater cut achieved), it might be more about Whedon having a tense relationship with Fisher himself, not about Whedon being racist (as I said, I don't think he is, he just seems to be a jerk with everyone and especially with women).

@TheHumanSpider2 - Yes. When you enter in public shaming, you have lost the moral high ground. Public shaming is a form of bullying and it is not okay. And that's the end of it.

@Twenty23Three - I heard zip about PR trying to keep Joss' name good, where does Ray come up with this stuff?

@TheHumanSpider2 - He could have had a solo movie before the Justice League film instead of getting a stripped down version of it crammed into a Justice League origin film. Instead he was the main character in a bad overlong movie.

And now after the JL debacle he could have a career bolstered by being a supporting character in the Flash, being a part of the new JL team, with a solo project immediately after, instead of only having a miniseries in the last 3 years and no career options on the horizon 🙃

And it's been proven that there was no NDA, and after WB decided to start an investigation mostly based on his accusations and even bringing in the investigator he demanded, he wouldn't accept the results from that investigator and even publicly bashed them

While you're on IMDb look at his future projects, you'll find nothing. When there could have been Flash as well as other DC projects. The Flash was also cutdown by the Whedon JL, but Ezra didn't bitch and moan so he has upcoming projects. Ray played himself and got himself on the blacklist

Yes and those positive reviews all say it's just good compared to the original NOT a good movie on its own. It would have gotten bad reviews in 2017 and bombed, obvious fact. No one knew how badly Whedon changed Snyder's film, it didn't come out until after that opening weekend that Snyder's vision was changed severely, I remember the DC fanboys arguing that it was Snyder's movie even up to that Thursday. So that opening weekend would have been the exact same result under $100M, probably actually worse because 4+ hours would mean less screenings so less money 😂

I mentioned the quality once, and just as a side note and it's like you took it personally and went on a whole tangent about it, and now we're here 🤷🏽‍♂️

@BigPhilbowski - 😂 the SnyderCut is far from terrible.. and it’s generally well received so terrible is your own personal opinion not everyones. Meaning Fisher would have had a career off of it, Cyborg solo film, multiple appearances as Cyborg thus becoming a bigger name, meaning more roles offered… it’s logic.

@Twenty23Three - Good actor? What the hell you have been watching?

@JohnCastillo - it's generally well received? Now you're just flat out lying. It flopped and the majority didn't like it. Only in your little echo chamber is considered good.

@BigPhilbowski - oh really? Is that why the film has a 71% on RT with a 94% Audience Score from over 25,000+ individual reviews?

Every YouTuber reviewing this has come clean that they enjoyed this movie. Even people who notoriously hate Snyder like this guy:





Sorry to break it to you - but it’s you who lives in the echo chamber. The film was seen as an overall success by comparison to what came before it. I pointed that out using facts. What facts do you have? This [frick]ing website? Lmao

@TheLobster - Man you’re spot on. As I say it’s ok for those who don’t like the film. We can’t always agree. But you cannot just straight up lie about a film you dislike and say it was a flop or everyone hates it etc.. that goes from something subjective to something idiotic.

@JohnCastillo - it got fairly average viewership actually. And remind mr again how many of those viewers actually finished watching it? That's right, quite a large number turned it off and never finsied it. The official numbers back up the fact that it flopped

@BigPhilbowski - I think you’re only taking HBO Max US numbers into account it was a bigger hit when you factor in the worldwide viewership. In Spain it was if I remember correctly the most watched film on the platform in 2021. Big hit in countries like India etc. It’s harder to actually find solid numbers for streaming things. But one thing that’s for sure is it wasn’t a “flop” which you tried to make it seem like it was in your original comment.

@Cbmfilmjunkie - funny thing is most of his criticism of the whedon interview can apply to fisher as well. "You had two years to get your story straight, and all you had to say was that they were all out to get you".