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Superspecialawesomeguy
Superspecialawesomeguy - 6/30/2022, 1:06 PM
Apart from 7 and 2, these sounded pretty interesting imo.
JackRussoff3
JackRussoff3 - 6/30/2022, 1:20 PM
None of this sounds as bad as what marvel is doing right now though.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/30/2022, 1:26 PM
I will always be baffled by how thoroughly they [frick]ed up this franchise around X3. Yes, Singer leaving left them in the lurch, but why would you decide arbitrarily to cut the franchise off as a trilogy when there was clearly good will left for it. It was still the highest grossing X-film, as messy as it was, and outperformed both of the prequels that followed.

Even going back to Singer, they burned through as many storylines and characters as they could in the runtimes (and I have a conspiracy theory about why they did that), and the result is just so much bloat and mess... then the prequels were somehow even more wasteful. Introduce a parade of bland versions of great comic characters just to discard them while Charles and Magneto soak up all of the character arcs...

[frick] Bryan Singer as a person, but there was a good foundation for a franchise in those first two movies. And Fox's brilliant idea was to burn it all down right before the MCU (and a few others) showed how big (mostly) consistent cinematic universes can snowball. Great job...

(I shouldn't complain because the eventual outcome is basically pretty great from my perspective: I wouldn't necessarily want the FoX-Men to be so popular that Marvel Studios would just contrive them into the MCU whole. But... you know if they were that good to make people want it, then maybe I'd be cheerleading it, too.)
GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/30/2022, 1:47 PM
@Spock0Clock - "...but there was a good foundation for a franchise in those first two movies"

They even gave themselves another chance with First Class. I am someone who really enjoys DOFP but I wouldn't have jumped right to that after First Class. There was so much potential in how many new and different ways they could've gone after FC that optimized this new cast and foundation they had planted.
Cobalt416
Cobalt416 - 6/30/2022, 1:43 PM
No mention of the Noah Hawley Doctor Doom movie? That’s a project I’ve always been interested in learning more of. Doom is long overdue for a respectable adaptation into the cinematic side of things.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/30/2022, 1:45 PM
The single greatest sin Fox committed with the X-Men was how little of Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters we actually got to see. The fact that Charles and company are educators and molders of young minds rarely got explored. It was a lot of telling us only. There's a Harry Potter "new school year, new experiences/adventures" potential there.




Here's hoping the MCU sees that. A film from the perspective of the STUDENTS. The Foxverse became the Magneto and Charles show a little too much at times. As much as I love those characters, you've got dozens of other intriguing characters to build an X-Men film around.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/30/2022, 2:20 PM
@GhostDog - I think part of the difficulty with that is there aren't a lot of great "mutant children" characters in the comics. Or, at least there weren't before Singer's movies really leaned hard into making it feel like a mutant high school. (In the last 20 years, it feels like the comics have filled the background with lots of students just for that purpose.) Without having a ready-made roster, it's just hard to fill a school with 40 extras that are engaging but also not so interesting that it distracts from the overall story.

The little group of important students in first trilogy (Rogue, Iceman, Pyro, and Kitty) are pretty well-defined, I think. It's not terrible. But I just honestly cannot bring myself to be interested in blue-tongue-boy (or random fish-kids or Glob in the comics). That's a personal preference, I guess.

To me, the perfect size for the X-School was 6-10 adult X-Men who lived there and mentored the 6-10 teenage students. Where it wasn't so much a full-fledged modern school with lectures and class schedules, but more like a traditional small-scale finishing school. We know all of the adults and students by name and personality (even briefly).
GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/30/2022, 2:43 PM
@Spock0Clock - I wouldn't want anything as large as Hogwarts, which has 1,000 kids, but enough that is akin to the average enrollment of US private schools which is 150-200. I like the idea of Charles really having a haven for hundreds of kids and not just a few. A slight "he won't turn anyone away, all are welcome" kinds of number.

I wouldn't mind dozens of mutant kid extras to make the school feel lived in like the HP films did. HP had its "here and there" supporting characters like Oliver Wood, Parvati Patil and Luna Lovegood who rounded things out. In the case of Luna, you had someone who became a fan favorite.

Your Jubilee, Kitty, STEPFORD CUCKOO types would be the main stage players of course.

But my boy Beak, someone like him could round things out as a secondary
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/30/2022, 2:52 PM
Saying "there aren't a lot of great mutant children in the comics" was a very clumsy and wrong way to put that.

Obviously there are lots of great young mutant teams, and they've had great books about them. But what I mean is you shouldn't waste a character like Kitty Pryde on a cameo (like they did in both X1 and X2). All of the classic New Mutants / Generation X / Young X-Men should be characters, not extras.

Like, who are all of these kids?



Before ~2000, I can't really think of a lot of minor students who could just be background characters in the way that Beak can be. Artie and Leech, I guess.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/30/2022, 3:03 PM
@GhostDog - We're talking a little past each other (mostly my fault since I keep writing long follow-up comments and posting after you've posted a response to my previous comment). Sorry about that.

You're absolutely right that they could do this now. The comics has a collection of them that have been created post-Singer. I'm mostly turned off by the idea because I felt like Singer's movies (and Apocalypse) filled their school with wasted potential and a bunch of random nobodies. It has left a sour taste in my mouth.

If the MCU did do an expansive student body and filled it with the best background characters from the last 20 years of comics while reserving the best kids for a young-X-men franchise where they could get fleshed out, I'm fine with that. Especially if their mutations are outwardly noticeable, so they can be visually interesting. Beak and Glob are great examples of characters that don't even need to speak for us to have a feel for what their life is like. What their mutation means to them.

The "teleporting basketball kid" and "walking on water boy" don't even feel like they need to be at the school, based on their brief appearances. It feels like maybe there's a story to be told with them, but the movie isn't interested in it. They're just there to confirm that mutants have some cool abilities.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/30/2022, 3:18 PM
@Spock0Clock - Singer's background kids were very "look at all the unique mutants at the school" but a lot of them turned out like the walk on water boy; as you mentioned. Or, sometimes it was someone you wanted to know more about but Singer had no interest in (Bishop)
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 6/30/2022, 1:45 PM
Actually wouldn't mind an Alpha Flight project, not often Canadian superhero teams get representation. The Multiple Man project could've been a nice way to set up X-Factor Investigations.
inkniron
inkniron - 6/30/2022, 1:49 PM
I mean, I wouldn''t mind a couple of these in better hands. As is, nothing of value was lost.
Repian
Repian - 6/30/2022, 1:52 PM
I can imagine a Disney+ Show where Alpha Flight fights to take down the clandestine Weapon X project's illegal operations. Finally, Wolverine joins the team.
SpiderBloke2099
SpiderBloke2099 - 6/30/2022, 2:17 PM
about the only one of these, other than Deadpool 3, I care about was an Alpha Flight movie.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 6/30/2022, 2:33 PM
About half of these were projects I'd actually be open to seeing
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