Marvel Television's 8 Biggest Blunders Before Marvel Studios Brought The MCU To Disney+

While Marvel Studios has proven itself far from perfect with its streaming offerings, the relaunch of Marvel Television has brought back memories of just how worse things were with Jeph Loeb in charge...

By JoshWilding - May 15, 2024 12:05 PM EST

Filed Under: Marvel

Yesterday evening, the news broke that Disney has resurrected the "Marvel Television" banner for future live-action TV shows on Disney+. The hope is that this will allow that division to focus on streaming, while Marvel Studios concentrates on the movies.

It's all part of a plan to get back to quality over quantity after a rocky few years. However, there's a big difference between this Marvel Television and the one which launched in 2010 and was ultimately shuttered in 2019 when Kevin Feige took charge (for starters, all future projects will be part of the MCU).

The news got us thinking about the original Marvel Television's stint and the many mistakes made under the man in charge, Jeph Loeb. In this feature, we take a look back at their biggest blunders and what Marvel Studios can learn from them.

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8. Being Scared Of Costumes*

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There was a time when superhero movies largely shied away from costumes, likely because studio execs didn't believe people would pay to see a film with spandex-clad leads. For some reason, that's a mentality that Jeph Loeb decided to bring to the Marvel TV shows he took charge of across platforms like ABC, Hulu, and Netflix.

It took Daredevil twelve episodes to get a suit and even then it didn't include his iconic "DD" logo. Iron Fist never suited up in anything more than a hoodie, while Black Bolt never got anything resembling his familiar mask in Inhumans.

Marvel Television had no excuse for this. Seeing as Marvel Entertainment's now-ousted Chairman Ike Perlmutter had a thing about selling toys, the absence of costumes was incredibly frustrating; plus, when we did get them, they were underwhelming (see: Deathlok).

*Yes, that's a real poster they used to promote a show about Iron Fist.

7. Inhumans. That Is All.

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Where do we even begin? When it was revealed that Marvel Television was partnering with IMAX for an Inhumans series (giving this a significantly higher budget than other "MCU" TV shows), it sounded like we were in store for a truly great take on these characters.

Unfortunately, it was a disaster from the very start. Inhumans looked horribly cheap, the cast wasn't remotely impressive outside of a few names, and to save money, Lockjaw made only sporadic appearances and Medusa's hair was cut off so she couldn't use her powers.

It was baffling and such a disaster that IMAX scrapped plans for any future collaborations and moved away from promoting TV shows on their screens. Inhumans didn't work, and Loeb played a huge role in that, especially after deciding to appoint Scott Buck as showrunner.

6. A Disappointing Take On Iron Fist

Ah, Scott Buck...what a decision it was by Loeb to put him in charge of not only Inhumans, but Iron Fist as well. While the hero's series started strong, it took pretty much no time at all to fall apart, leaving us to spend almost an entire season watching Danny Rand struggle with performance issues as he failed to get that pesky Iron Fist working.

Honestly, it was about as effective as him putting on some brass knuckles to fight people, and there was no real reason why he couldn't have suited up or had full use of his newfound abilities.

Finn Jones did his best with what he had to work with, but nothing much about the series worked and while fans hoped for an improvement in season two, the decision was instead made to take Danny's powers away from him altogether - despite the fact he was finally getting a handle on them. Of all the Defenders, Iron Fist shouldn't have been this difficult to get right.

5. Too Many Episodes

This was an issue that plagued the Marvel TV shows on Netflix from day one, as the seasons frequently started out strong before falling apart in the second half.

Exploring Daredevil's past with Elektra was great until season two sprinted to the finish line and killed her off in an underwhelming fashion. Remember how good Luke Cage was before Power Man went to war with the silly-looking Diamondback? Simply put, these shows were all too long and Marvel Television struggles to tell stories in such a long format.

By the time they attempted to learn from past mistakes, it was too late, and even Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s final two seasons benefitted from being 13 chapters long instead of 22. Of course, it would be unfair to not point out that Marvel Studios has struggled with only six episodes...

4. Agent Coulson's Resurrection

Marvel Studios killed Agent Coulson in one of The Avengers' most shocking moments, but just one year later, he was back among the living. It's possible that Kevin Feige played some role in this, but it's hard to believe that he was happy with the character's resurrection when he was the one who suggested killing him off in the first place.

Heck, if you're still not convinced, why do you think Captain Marvel ignored the ABC series? Still don't buy Feige's lack of interest in this show? Well, he destroyed S.H.I.E.L.D. in 2014 and none of these characters are expected to return, even with The Defenders made canon.

The explanation for Coulson's return was confusing and silly, to say the least, and the fact that he never hunted down Earth's Mightiest Heroes is just plain dumb. Fortunately, Clark Gregg made the best out of the whole thing and, alongside his co-stars, delivered some fun adventures, even if they felt positively uninspired compared to what we were seeing in theaters.

3. Getting Even The Most Minor Characters Wrong

Seriously, how do you get The Hand wrong? Designed as the big bad of the world the Defenders lived in, this clandestine group of ninjas became a convoluted creation made up of old ladies and businessmen.

We have to speak in Marvel Television's defence here, too, as The Kingpin, for example, was a truly great character. However, for every good adaptation in these shows, there are ten bad ones. Foggy Nelson, Trish Walker, Deathlok, and even the entire Kree race serve as proof of that, with all of them failing to hit the mark in various ways.

Whereas Marvel Studios has often taken relatively obscure supporting characters (to non-fans, at least) and made them great, Marvel Television somehow took beloved fan favourites, reinvented them, and delivered results which ultimately struck a chord with pretty much no one.

2. A Truly Bizarre Slate

Marvel Television's slate consisted of the following:

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Agent Carter
Daredevil
Jessica Jones
Luke Cage
Legion
Iron Fist
The Defenders
Inhumans
The Gifted
The Punisher
Runaways
Cloak & Dagger
Helstrom
M.O.D.O.K.
Hit-Monkey

A few of those overcame their flaws to be pretty darn good TV shows. However, as we look at that list, the lack of connectivity between each of them stands out like a sore thumb. The Runaways and Cloak and Dagger couldn't have been any further apart, for example.

Then, there are the failures. The Defenders was a one-and-done crossover; Helstrom flopped but was supposed to launch a horror-themed slate; even M.O.D.O.K. was supposed to be the first chapter of an animated team-up. What a mess.

1. The Damage Is Still Being Felt

Whereas Feige was able to tell Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter where to go when he tried to push his racist and sexist agendas on the Marvel movies, it seems Loeb either wasn't so lucky...or he just didn't care who signed his cheques.

Whatever the case may be, being Perlmutter's lackey meant launching that terrible Inhumans series and telling stories that just didn't fit into Marvel Studios' wider plans. As time passed, it became clear that these shows had no bearing on what happened on the big screen, though we've since heard Feige was a big part of that (and understandably so).

Whether it was the low-budget take on the Kree, the death of characters like Elektra and Ben Urich, or the fact Iron Fist went from badass to dope, the impact of many of these decisions is still being felt. Marvel Studios is slowly undoing the damage, but many characters who would have soared with Feige's input are still shelved thanks to Marvel Television.

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37 Comments

Doomsday8888 - 5/15/2024, 12:18 PM

To think some even tried to defend shit like Inhumans or Iron Fist...crazy.

DENNISsystem - 5/15/2024, 1:43 PM

@Doomsday8888 - because the Perlmutter Stan’s wouldn’t have an argument otherwise 🙄

Origame - 5/15/2024, 12:20 PM

Yet it's still better than most of the disney+ shows.

Also, I find the 8th point ironic here considering echo gave her a completely different costume for the end of the last episode and wandavision, moon knight, and she hulk barely used their costumes.

Mugens - 5/15/2024, 12:21 PM

Yeah The Inhumans was bad. Ironfist was hit and miss but the character did show a lot more potential when paired with Luke Cage.

Matchesz - 5/15/2024, 12:27 PM

Blunders on blunders

Skestra - 5/15/2024, 12:28 PM

For all the grief I give Josh on his articles and lists, every once in a while, he manages to post a pretty decent one.

Good article / opinion piece Josh.

TheFinestSmack - 5/15/2024, 1:06 PM

@Skestra - You must have missed this list when he posted is in 2020!
https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/10-major-mistakes-made-by-marvel-television-during-jeph-loebs-mostly-disastrous-reign-a172831#gs.9ey1f5

Skestra - 5/15/2024, 1:45 PM

@TheFinestSmack -

*sigh* You know what sad part is? I'm not surprised. I'm not the least bit surprised. And here I thought Josh was growing as a journalist. Damn it. Now I feel like an idiot. Thank you for the much-needed (Finest)smack into reality. I appreciate it.

TheFinestSmack - 5/15/2024, 1:49 PM

@Skestra - No prob haha. Often when he does put out a "new" list, I do a quick search and find nearly the exact same list from him, just a bit older. And if i can't find a previous list that he's taken from, it just means it WILL be reused, eventually!

TheVisionary25 - 5/15/2024, 12:30 PM

Oh Joshy , should have know this list was coming with them bringing back “Marvel Television” but oh well…

Anyway , Iron Fist was never great but imo it did improve as it went along (S2>S1) as did the character of Danny himself for the most part imo with LC S2 being his peak.

Given that this version of Danny started out in such an immature place and was pretty much a damaged kid in a man’s body , it didn’t make sense to give him the suit since he had a long way to develop & grow..

It’s not a story choice some liked it but it’s the one they made and as it was , made sense given that iteration of the character since he had his own issues to sort through.

Anyway , I highly doubt it but I do hope Finn Jones is given another shot in the future since it was apparent that he was never the issue and could do well under the right hand.

SirDuckAlot - 5/15/2024, 12:31 PM

They're still having blunders just with a bigger budget.

RolandD - 5/15/2024, 12:38 PM

Some of these complaints are desperate. Matt had a comic accurate costume for the first 11 episodes although I was excited for him to get more of a super suit and I am glad that he returned to it after using the black suit in all of season 3.

TheFinestSmack - 5/15/2024, 1:09 PM

@RolandD - They're just as desperate now as they were in 2020 lol
https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/10-major-mistakes-made-by-marvel-television-during-jeph-loebs-mostly-disastrous-reign-a172831#gs.9ey1f5

RolandD - 5/15/2024, 2:33 PM

@TheFinestSmack - I am not going to read it, but is it pretty much the same article? It wouldn’t surprise me.

TheFinestSmack - 5/15/2024, 2:34 PM

@RolandD - More than half the points are literally copy/paste

RolandD - 5/15/2024, 2:48 PM

@TheFinestSmack - That is one of his go tops, sometimes with only around a year between the articles and more than half of the same points. Oh well, many of us complain a lot but we never lack for content.

Urubrodi - 5/15/2024, 12:41 PM

Inhumans was so bad we'll probably won't have an Inhumans project any time soon. To think there was a time where Marvel was ignoring the X-Men on purpose to not promote the Fox movies while trying to make Inhumans a bigger thing.

TheVisionary25 - 5/15/2024, 12:44 PM

@Urubrodi - which sucks because the Inhumans are a great cast of characters that could a cool GOT or Dune-esque series.

The show was a dud imo but I hope we do see them sooner then later , especially with the FF being introduced soon.

Doomsday8888 - 5/15/2024, 1:14 PM

@Urubrodi
Yeah, imagine that.

IMAGINE hikacking your A-Listers just to push your Z-Listers only because MS don't have the rights of the X-Men.

F*ck Marvel and especially Alonso.

Mrtoke - 5/15/2024, 12:53 PM

number of episodes is never a problem. just do better at telling your story.

TheVisionary25 - 5/15/2024, 12:58 PM

I don’t see how Coulson’s resurrection was convoluted but to each their own (it’s explained pretty clearly by the end of S1).

Also , Did you just say Netflix/MCU Foggy was a bad version of the character?.

I admit he took some time to grow on me but I liked him overall , especially as he went seperate from Matt and became a more confident person & lawyer which we saw potential of early on.

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DocSpock - 5/15/2024, 12:59 PM

Inhumans was so bad it almost ripped a hole in the fabric of reality.

And it made my buddy Gusto cry.

TheFinestSmack - 5/15/2024, 1:05 PM

Well, it's nice to see that @Joshwilding is only plagiarizing himself...
https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/10-major-mistakes-made-by-marvel-television-during-jeph-loebs-mostly-disastrous-reign-a172831#gs.9ey1f5

WhatIfRickJames - 5/15/2024, 1:45 PM

@TheFinestSmack - it's like picking the gum from beneath the desk, repackaging it and selling it back to us to chew

TheFinestSmack - 5/15/2024, 1:50 PM

@WhatIfRickJames - AND he likely still gets paid for it.

FireandBlood - 5/15/2024, 1:18 PM

Inhumans was a disaster but honestly deserved to crash and burn the way it did if anything just for the way in the show was being used to try and shit on the X-Men.

MrDandy - 5/15/2024, 1:26 PM

Marvel television was extremely hit or miss but so is Disney+ (even more so imo). Marvel Television has some big blunders but still gave us Daredevil S1-3, Jessica Jones S1, Agents of Shield S2-5, Agent Carter S1, Legion, and more. I’d say the best of Marvel Television is still better than Disney+ offerings.

TheMetaMan - 5/15/2024, 1:28 PM

Coulson’s resurrection was the reason I never watched AOS because it contradicted his death in AA. How they thought it was a smart or good move is beyond me and the fact that it was seemingly ignored in the movies made it all the more convoluted and silly.

TheVisionary25 - 5/15/2024, 1:36 PM

@TheMetaMan - that’s unfortunate because I think you would have come to like it and within the series , his resurrection made sense given his history with Fury etc.

The first season is handcuffed for the first 13 episodes or so by having to wait for TWS but it lays the groundwork for the characters & team dynamics as that movie fundamentally changes the show and for the better.

I would honestly call it one of the best CBTV shows of all time!!.

TheMetaMan - 5/15/2024, 2:08 PM

@TheVisionary25 - Ok I might take you up on your suggestion at some point. Tbh I did catch tidbits here and there such as Graviton. He was brutal. I saw this guy crush his enemies like stepping on cans of coke. Even coulson was mortified. 😨😯😦😧😮🥶😲😆😂😂😅

ChrisD - 5/16/2024, 2:58 PM

@TheMetaMan - Sure, raising a character from the dead is kind of cheating (and it didn't help he was resurrected several more times by the end of the series), but with that aside, the show was really solid IMO.

hainesy - 5/15/2024, 1:50 PM

First off, anything Loeb does sucks. The man should be banned from anything Marvel for life. Second, I agree 100% on the costumes. Look hw great Wolverine looks in the new Deadpool movie. People want to see superheroes wearing costumes and fighting super villains. Do that and the shows will get viewers.

S8R8M - 5/15/2024, 3:06 PM

I watched DD season 1&2. 1 episode of Cage and that was enough for me.

Spike101 - 5/15/2024, 5:02 PM

The Netflix shows weren’t too long, particularly Daredevil which could have gone on forever.

mrHJK - 5/15/2024, 6:01 PM

my ranking: Daredevil>Jessica Jones>Legion>The Defenders>The Gifted>Luke Cage>Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.>Agent Carter>M.O.D.O.K.>The Punisher>Iron Fist>Inhumans>Runaways

didn't watch: Cloak & Dagger, Helstrom, Hit-Monkey

MCU: WandaVision>Loki>What If?>Hawkeye>She-Hulk>Moon Knight>Falcon & Winter Soldier>Ms. Marvel>Echo>Secret Invasion

all together: Daredevil>WandaVision>Loki>Jessica Jones>Legion>What If?>Hawkeye>She-Hulk>Moon Knight>Falcon & Winter Soldier>The Defenders>The Gifted>Luke Cage>Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.>Agent Carter>Ms. Marvel>M.O.D.O.K.>The Punisher>Echo>Secret Invasion>Iron Fist>Inhumans>Runaways

ChrisD - 5/16/2024, 2:54 PM

Agents of Shield is still the best Marvel TV show IMO.

LSHF - 5/17/2024, 3:20 AM

@ChrisD - 100% agree. It was very well written, with unpredictable twists and turns, excellent acting, and engaging characters. And more good stuff.

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Marvel Television's 8 Biggest Blunders Before Marvel Studios Brought The MCU To Disney+

While Marvel Studios has proven itself far from perfect with its streaming offerings, the relaunch of Marvel Television has brought back memories of just how worse things were with Jeph Loeb in charge...

8. Being Scared Of Costumes*

7. Inhumans. That Is All.

6. A Disappointing Take On Iron Fist

5. Too Many Episodes

4. Agent Coulson's Resurrection

3. Getting Even The Most Minor Characters Wrong

2. A Truly Bizarre Slate

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SCREAM VII Reportedly Being Developed As The First Part Of A New Trilogy - Possible SPOILERS

BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE Trailer Sees The Ghost With The Most Join Forces With Lydia Deetz

EVIL: THE FINAL SEASON Exclusive Interview With Stars Mike Colter, Katja Herbers & Aasif Mandvi

THE SANDMAN: First Season 2 Teaser Reveals The Rest Of The Endless

BEETLEJUICE BEETLEJUICE Gets A New Poster Ahead Of Thursday's Full Trailer

Action Movies & TV

THE AVENGERS Star Jeremy Renner Explains Why He Left The MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE Franchise

MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE 8 Reportedly Suffers Yet Another Setback As Troubled Production Continues