EDITORIAL: Batman DCU First Solo Movie

EDITORIAL: Batman DCU First Solo Movie

The first solo Batman movie after BVSDOJ and JLA, when will it come out? Will Ben Affleck be involved still? What should the movie be about?

Since we have some time until BVSDOJ hits the Cinemas, all we have is theory on our hands. Here is a general pitch i came up with today, not very detailed but i dont have the time. DC TEAM!

Editorial Opinion
By JustANerd - Aug 28, 2014 08:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

Hello CBM society,
 
Since we will be getting BVSDOJ and JLA afterwards, the Batman solo film looks like an option earliest 2020 at best, so with minimum 6 years until then all we can do is speculate and wish.

Now I decided to give an overall idea of what the movie should be about, general visuals and plot points, nothing elaborate just some points i can write down in 30 minutes on freestyle.

Now let’s start with Batman;

1) Batman is solo in this movie – No Robin, Batgirl, Batwoman, Nightwing, Batwing, Batdog etc. Every time we get some of the names above on film we get a disaster or a half done job. NO THANKS! Yes they can exist in the DCU I just don’t want them in the movie. We need Jim Gordon and Alfred. Batman depending on the actor who will be portraying him should either be old (Affleck after 6 years should be 48) or if they decide to use another actor should be around his 30s. This is important as this can drive the motivation and story line here.





2)  I want him to be airborne and use his Batplane, Batwing, The Bat or whatever he wishes to call it. In the Gotham I envision, we are in a huge metropolis New York styled city, there are traffic jams, cops etc. If you have a secret identity and you are above the law, you surely do not want to be stuck somewhere with 90 cop cars chasing you?!! With The Bat in TDKR he was able to have a big advantage over the cops and Bane’s army. Also I always wanted cool visuals of him jumping of his plane in flight or hovering over Gotham and just doing the iconic bat jump with his cape transforming in the bat shape





 
3)   I need the mafia and corrupt politicians ruling over Gotham in a way never shown before on film. The city needs to be so corrupt that Jim Gordon will think twice before using the Bat Signal on the top of the GCPD. People are separated in two sections wealthy and connected and middle working class that barely make it to their next check. I want to incorporate the scene where Batman crashes the dinner of the corrupted politicians and mob bosses and intimidates them from Year One.


  

4) Villains,


my money is on Two Face here as the main villain. He is running with a few loyal thugs, he has no big army or organization, but they don’t care about the police or the mafia or the politics. He want to destroy all financial institutions in the city, by destroying the meaning of money and their value. He had issues while still Harvey with the mafia, he could not win because they had everyone bought and paid for. He is a struggling between his two personas, and you can clearly tell that two very opposite people live in the same space. He seems distanced from the world at times and at other he is that scheeming, corrupt, blood thursty persona that cares about destruction and power at the same time. It looks like he has a ton of secrets under his belt at all times. He hitting certain crews connected to Falcone, that deal with the docks, the customs and all around involved with Axis chemicals. Picture him like a mix between Arron (TDK) and Bryan Cranston (BBad), but with a spaced out stare and an evil grim.



The Penguin is the second villainc present in the movie, he is part of the mafia, but he is his own animal. He has connections and people from each line of the law fear him and his ways, a very well educated Oswald and on the surface he looks like he is always planning. The vision for him is a mix between the Gotham version and Anthony Hopkins. He is reminiscent of a penguin mostly in some of the traits of his face, but he is quite well put and can hold his own in a fight. He does not like the old ways of the Falcone circle and family, however Falcone has a lot more financial leverage on the city and The Penguin cannot match his reach at this point in time.

 

5)  The suit is a mix between Arkham Origins and the BVSDOJ suit and it looks heavy armored, I would prefer if it is mostly black, but I am yet to be won over some other looks and open for fresh ideas by Zack or Ben.



6) The plot in a few words - Batman is focusing on the politicians who are on the take. Two Face emerges targeting everyone and doing random small crimes, with constant location changes and a small crew. His behaviour is random, his targets are cops and mafia guys. He is hitting the docs owned by Falcone, customs and Axis chemicals. His crew is constantly on the go, he has no certain place and noone expects him anywhere, but he seems to be everywhere. its like he is gathering chemicals for a purpose.

Wayne Inc is hit also, more than two shipments of electronic devices is missing, Bruce check the footage and discovers that it was Dent's crew. The missing parts can be used for remote control manipulation and can be used illigealy for remote bombs. He starts to suspect that what Harvey is doing has nothing to do with money or power over the competition.

In the meantime Falcone is fed up with Harvey/Two Face's hits at shipments for his family and loosing money and has Oswald come over. His request is simple kill Harvey, in return The Penguin is to get new territory and a sizeable amount of money. The Penguin is the most psycho of them all and accepts the challenge with pleasure.

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In the meantime Harvey is focusing on his plan which involves the destruction of all main branches and treasuries of Gotham banks, everything that has information about accounts in one night, the mafia thinks he is getting a crew together to take over some of the businesses and territory they have. Turns out everyone is a target tonight, everyone who has saved money and used those banks and their branches. His crew has managed to get enough material to set up bombs in each bank, enough fire power to bring down the whole building. No one actually knows the number of the bombs, since Two Face gave different information to everyone and did every location with different members of the crew or by himself.

Batman/Wayne finds a bomb in Waine Inc, as they own Gotham First Private Bank located on the first floor of the building. He is able to stop the bomb but has no idea of the amount of locations which get demolished to the ground.

Gotham is torn to apart, the Mafia decides that they need to get rid of Harvey since he is acting with no logic and they think he is a bigger threat that Batman. They hire Penguin to do the job, Harvey is captured by Batman and turned into the police. Massive crowds gather inform of GCPD, Two Face confesses in front of Gordon that he just wanted to get rid of the money for us to be free, then he says that other people wanted to take this advantage and run the city and that as lost as he may be he also had a family once and needs to protect it from them.

The Penguin was playing Harvey the whole time, his wife was his prisoner the whole time, now with the mafia money up in the sky, the Falcone family can no longer hold the city at pocket. However with the money he got to from Falcone to get rod of Harvey, he is now running the city and the mafia is defensless. There is a new mayor in town.



At the trial, the controversy is massive, press police etc., the defense request as evidence a box that contains explosives found in one of his warehouses. When they open the box they find Harvey wife's head, a message from the Penguin delivered on time. Turns out he unleashed him on the city as he found his weakness for his past self, and made a plan to get rid of the Falcones.



With Harvey behind bars, its only a matter of time he is murdered in jail.

The movie will set up for the next part, with Penguin now conrtoling organized crime in Gotham and with Two Face in Jail, wanting to kill him for the death of his wife but will he live to see the morning.

Bruce is helping the city through Wayne Inc, to rebuild the buildings etc, Penguin is Boss.

Ok guys, i am now officialy done with the pitch i could come up, this is a rough outline and i haven't given it much detail but that about as much i can come up.

Enjoy!


 
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ajrmarvel
ajrmarvel - 8/28/2014, 8:53 AM
To be honest, I would not want to see this at all. He have had Two-Face and Penguin. We have had the Mafia in charge of the city (to a lesser extent). I really want to see new things. I want all the suppporting characters. You can't tell me that you wouldn't want to see a Red Hood movie with Batman feeling guilty about Jason's death, with Nightwing in the mix and Babara as Oracle.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 8/28/2014, 9:09 AM
id rather see a batman villian we havent seen on screen yet like black mask. batman has a very interesting rogues gallery maybe a villian like deathstroke (he is a awesome villian)
Dingbat
Dingbat - 8/28/2014, 9:31 AM
I'd like to see Mr. Freeze done right. I want to see these more fantastical characters that we would have never seen Nolan do. Freeze is a tragic villain with a great back story. Take a healthy amount of inspiration from Batman: TAS.



It would look awesome on screen.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 8/28/2014, 10:10 AM
I really like a lot of your ideas especially using two face again as I hated when Nolan killed him so it would instantly prove this is a different universe if DoJ already hadnt cemented that. I do think a Nightwing or Robin would work but only as a reference then make small cameo in final fight scene when bats is overwhelmed. This whole movie seems too small though, after DoJ and the obvious Justice League movie after that to have Bats facing down his old non powered enemies and mob bosses would work for a more grounded approach but if they show batman beating the snot out of aliens then immediately pull him back to fighting with non powered villains it would seem like a step back at least in terms of action. Spice up the action with killer croc or Mr. Freeze and you may have some action in the movie comparable to the Justice League movie action.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 8/28/2014, 10:23 AM
@JustANerd

I wouldn't change Freeze much at all. I'd keep his origin the same but I wouldn't show it in chronological order if at all. Similar to this video, Batman discovers his story and realizes he isn't as bad as he originally thought.



The real bad guy is Ferris Boyle (or a similar character)

It would be based on this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_Ice_(Batman:_The_Animated_Series_episode)
but not a carbon copy.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 8/28/2014, 10:28 AM
i think they could do a good job with freeze
Dingbat
Dingbat - 8/28/2014, 10:55 AM
They won't do Croc. He's too similar to the Lizard.
Peel
Peel - 8/28/2014, 11:03 AM
I don't think the next villains should be Two Face and Penguin, the former has been in three movies technically now.

I genuinely feel the next villain for the next solo Batman movie should either be Red Hood or Ra's al Ghul. Red Hood would be an opportunity to explore why Batman retired in the first place, examine why he distrusts many and also add to the batman lore. By the time the movie comes out, hardly anyone would make Red Hood-Winter Soldier similarities.

If they do Two Face, most people will just say 'Meh, it's been done before, what's the point?' and not bother watching the movie. But I like your other points, particularly the year one speech that Batman should deliver.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/28/2014, 11:07 AM
I would much rather see Black Mask instead of Two-Face.

We haven't seen The Penguin be portrayed correctly yet, so I would be okay with him, but Black Mask is a much better organized crime boss than Two-Face. Also, it would bring a new character that most people know little about.

Not to mention, they could really play off of Black Mask's obsession with masks and make that one of him prime motivations for wanting to take down Batman...so he can get his mask.

Also, a cameo of Scarface and Ventriloquist. They can mention how Black Mask took him down to become king of Gotham's underground.

I don't mind the rest of this though, I must say that I would like the new Batman world to be just slightly more fantastical than grounded. I would like to see some of his more outlandish villains.

And I totally disagree with having no sidekicks. Just because it has failed in the past, does not mean that it can't be done correctly now. By that logic, they never should have made Batman '89, because the old Batman 60's show was so ridiculous. Robin, or Nightwing can be portrayed as badasses very easily. They just need to have a serious tone with them and not make them hokey, thats all.
yonny616
yonny616 - 8/28/2014, 11:38 AM
48? Just when I was okay with Ben, this made me realize Ben's solo Batman film could happen when he's nearing his 50's. A "old" Batman was, is and always will be stupid to me. If they wanted an experienced Batman then just have an early 30y/o portray a mid 30y/o Batman with 10 years experience over Batman. Old Batman will never make sense to me.
IFeelLikePablo
IFeelLikePablo - 8/28/2014, 11:51 AM
A Batman Christmas movie would be awesome if they adapted "Noel".Ben Afffleck would shine in a setting like that.

Maybe a Cavill cameo?
Peel
Peel - 8/28/2014, 11:57 AM
Why do we need to keep 'the movies classic'? So we can only keep using the same villains over and over? That'll get dull and there is no point in that. The point lies in determining which villain fits the story and phase of the film. For me, this is a batman who will return to the world fighting, and it should be seen why exactly he left it in the first place. In TDKR book, it was the death of Jason Todd that made him leave in the first place, and now that he's become the Red Hood, that personally would make a brilliant story. Maybe throw in one other classic villain if you want it so bad, but a 'classic' villain isn't necessarily.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 8/28/2014, 12:07 PM
@justanerd you may be right and i didn't say it wouldn't make sense for batman to still fight crime in gotham i just said it would be a step back in terms of action. If bats can beat up aliens then has to just fight normal people who would worry about batman? If they ever showed him losing a fight to a non powered person again then it would be ridiculous. Nobody would say oh bats might lose because he shouldnt be able to be beaten by a normal human if he can hold his own with the rest of the league. You wouldnt make a movie about gl fighting mob bosses because its a waste of his prowess. Just include one supervillain if you don't want people to get bored.
OptionFour
OptionFour - 8/28/2014, 1:26 PM
This is kind of the exact opposite of what I want. We finally, finally have a set up where we can do a more comicbook-like Batman. The last thing I want to see is more 'Batman vs. the Mafia'. We just got that in the Nolan trilogy. And it was good, but I'm just really done with that.
Give me Mr. Freeze, or Killer Croc, or Poison Ivy . . . he has a lot of interesting villains, and a lot of them are not just 'a dude with a gun' like Two-Face or Black Mask.

That said, if they do choose to go that route, Black Mask and Penguin would be good choices. At least its been a while since we've seen them.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 8/28/2014, 2:55 PM
@ JustaNerd

I'm not saying the entire plot should be based around Black Mask wanting Batman's mask.

I like the idea of a war between Penguin and Black Mask. I like most of what you have here.

All I'm saying is that Black Mask could be a little more motivated to take down Batman because he wants his mask. By no means am I saying that should be the plot, or even a plot point really. Just show his obsession with masks and that he wants Batman's...
PYM90
PYM90 - 8/28/2014, 5:43 PM
Court of owls!
CapitanAmerika2
CapitanAmerika2 - 8/28/2014, 6:08 PM
This sounds too much like The Dark Knight only with Two-Face as the main villain, and Penguin as the secondary. With a new Batman series they should do something completely different from Nolan's Batman trilogy. Let him have a partner or the entire family. Also don't use any villains he used. For a new Batman series I want Mr. Freeze, Hush, Man-Bat, Riddler, or Poison Ivy for villains.
xstartripper
xstartripper - 8/28/2014, 7:55 PM
The problem with the Bat-Family sharing the screen with Batman isn't the family itself; it's that the writer needs to properly understand why these characters deserve to exist in Batman's universe. I hate how people always act like these people are unnecessary extras. Not only are they strong characters, but they give Batman a lot of depth. If a movie could capture that, I think it would be a homerun. I'm getting sick of seeing Batman portrayed as a loner when he's anything but.

I also don't like the idea of a mafia-driven film. That was essentially Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. If Batman's getting another trilogy, I want new ideas and "new" (non-film) characters. Also, I kinda want Jeremiah Arkham as Black Mask instead of Roman Sionis, and that could be in the final film. It would be cool to see Arkham losing his mind in the background of each film.

The thing is we're getting a Batman late in his career, which means the stories are finally allowed to be outlandish. I hope WB takes advantage of this and incorporates some elements of the later, odder stories. Like RIP or Court of Owls.

GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 8/28/2014, 8:08 PM
Honestly Batman is perfect for a TV show. I'm not emplying he should be in one instead of a movie at all! But think about it, he has probably 15 villains that could easily carry a movie. Almost non of them are heavy on special effects. Think of a TV show were thye really used that? Amazing huh? Spiderman is the only person who could match him for that type of an rapsheet. And most of his villains have to use a big budget.
HankPymp
HankPymp - 8/29/2014, 3:04 AM
I really would like the next Batman solo outing, to embrace the fantastical elements of the character, villains, etc.
The Gotham City in the Nolan Flicks was too "Every City" for my taste. Just very bland.
Batman is in fact just a man, but he deals with outlandish, and other - wordly threats.
I'd love to see a Mr. Freeze done justice. Even a new take on The Riddler.
I love love love the Nolan Movies, but there was much to be desired.
I just can't take a Ra's without a Lazarus Pit. As nonsensical as it sounds.
But if done in the right way,
a lot of the "out there" concepts in Batman's universe could work, and make for great. storytelling.

Mad Hatter, Clayface, Hush, etc.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 8/29/2014, 4:42 AM
I have no problem with this. These are all from what i've read solid and great ideas. Batman as a character needs to stand out and show that he can be the hero with out any of the side kicks or other heroic character's coverluting the film.

I do think it is time to perhaps show an updated version of Batman's famous foe, The Penguin.

If there where to be a sequel to this film i would choose Mr Freeze, Solomon Grundy and The Riddler.
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