Doubting The Veracity Of CBM Casting And Accepting That Movies Are A Different Medium Than Comic Books

Doubting The Veracity Of CBM Casting And Accepting That Movies Are A Different Medium Than Comic Books

With DCEU finally on its way to the big screen it’s apparent that the cinematic universe consists of extremely talented and award winning actors, directors, and writers, that are more than capable of doing the characters and material justice. One has to wonder, why would anyone complain?

Editorial Opinion
By DrKinsolving - Aug 24, 2015 12:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Comics

When I read comics, the art is definitely a highlight, but if the story and characterization of the characters is absent, I feel like I bought a book full of cool posters instead of a good comic book.  Even so, the pictures and panels alone in a comic book can make it a more than enjoyable experience.

When I watch a comic book movie, I am expecting something totally different as far as looks go because it is a totally different medium, plus it’s a live action adaptation, not a cartoon.  My main expectation is that the adaptation represents the essence of the characters.  With that said, there are definitely some constants, you should be able to tell who the character is by looking at them, obviously.  Superman should look like Superman, Captain America should look like Cap, the Fantastic Four should have the number 4 on their costumes and Doctor Doom should be in a suit of armor.  Did I go to far?

The majority of comic book characters are based on or modeled after real people or things.  This is because great artists find inspiration for their creations from the things around them, things that exist in their environment, in their universe (Source) .....






The Joker was inspired by Conrad Veidt from The Man Who Laughs







Catwoman was inspired by Ruth Steel/Actress Jean Harlow
 


 



Magneto was inspired by Malcolm X

 






The Red Skull was inspired by a hot fudge sundae with a cherry on top amongst other things
 
That’s some powerful stuff, especially the hot fudge sundae, meaningful and powerful stuff.  In all seriousness, when your bringing these characters to the big screen, the history of the characters should be taken into account, the looks are important but without story and characterization, you would have a fake plastic model of a hot fudge sundae instead of the real thing.
 
Let’s take a look at some of DCEU’s controversial casting choices….
 
Lex Luthor

“Lex Luthor is a power-mad American billionairebusiness magnate, gifted scientist, inventor, philanthropist to the city of Metropolis, and one of the most intelligent people in the world. A charismatic and well-known public figure, he is intent on killing alien superhero Superman, who Lex Luthor views as an obstacle in his megalomaniacal plans and a threat to the very existence of humanity.”

 

“Lex Luthor was originally depicted as a recluse with a full head of red hair who, in the vein of pulp novels, wreaks havoc on the world with his futuristic weaponry.”

 


 
In my opinion, they nailed the casting.  I can literally picture Eisenberg sitting at a table across from Superman and just staring at him for hours on end, trying to figure out how he can destroy him and trying to prove to himself that he is the better “man”.  Luthor is obsessed with Superman, in a similar way that the Joker is obsessed with Batman, and Eisenberg is a perfect candidate to bring this characteristic to life.
 
With all that going for him, Eisenberg is very intelligent and he can play smart very well.  It’s obvious why he was a top choice for the character after his roles in “The Social Network” , “The Double” , and “Now You See Me”.
 

 
“Always be the smartest guy in the room”

Ezra Miller

“When Barry Allen was only eleven, his mother was killed. His father was wrongly tried and convicted for the murder, and later died in prison where Barry watched him. However, the young Allen refused to believe that his father was guilty of the crime. His life ground to a halt as he dedicated himself to finding the real murderer and, more importantly, finding the motive behind the murder. Because of this, Allen studied forensic science, and dedicated himself to solving not only his mother's case, but those of other people in his situation.”  (Source)

 

“Working late in the lab one night, a rack of chemicals that he was working next to was struck by lightning, and Allen was doused in chemicals. Surprisingly unharmed, Allen cleaned up the mess and returned to work, but soon noticed that the world appeared to be moving much slower than normal. He soon realized that it was not the world that had slowed, but himself who had sped up. An avid fan of comic books, especially the adventures of the Jay Garrick Flash, Barry decided to follow in his hero's footsteps and fight crime.” (Source)

 
Before even elaborating on this, have you watched the movie “We Need to Talk About Kevin?  Ezra does an amazing job, and the dynamic that he has with Tilda Swinton is exceptional, proving both that he can act and share the screen with A list actors.  Without a doubt, Ezra is a good candidate to bring the emotional weight required of a boy whose Mother is killed and whose Father is wrongly convicted of murder to the big screen.  I’m also confident that he can bring the aftermath of these events to life.  I’m really looking forward to seeing him play The Flash, and watching him bring Barry's powers and characteristics from the comics to to life as well.
 
As far as looks go, he comes off as a chameleon, on looks alone, he reminds me of Tilda Swinton, one of the most adaptable actresses in the history of cinema.  It shouldn’t be a problem to adapt his look to Barry Allen and on being an “avid fan of comic books”, check out the video
 


 

 


Jason Momoa

I don’t get why this is controversial is it the hair color, it’s gotta be his hair color right? 
 
I’ll let DC Comics do the talking

“Make all the sushi jokes, YouTube spoofs, and SNL sketches you want, Aquaman’s been an icon for over seventy years. The King of the Seven Seas. Reluctant ruler of Atlantis. A man who holds his own against heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman. He’s so recognizable that when officials speak about the perils of sea pollution, they’ll whip out Aquaman references to sound hip.”  (Source)


Then, I’ll let Jason Momoa himself do the rest

In general, it sounds like Momoa was born to play this part and spent his life preparing for it without knowing it was even an option. He studied Marine Biology in college, and his heritage is going to play a part in how he approaches the role. "The greatest thing for me is that Polynesians, our gods, Kahoali, Maui, all these water gods, so it's really cool and an honor to be playing a water character. There's not too many brown superheroes, so I'm really looking forward to representing the Polynesians, the natives." (Source)

“He went on to say, "My family are some of the greatest water men on Earth. I'm not, but I'm going to go train with them. But it's really an honor just being a Polynesian. And water is the most important thing in this world and we all know it. It's cool to be a part of DC's universe. I'm really excited to be with Warner Bros, and hopefully everyone likes it. And Zack Snyder's a genius, so I'm really excited to be hanging out with him."  - (Source)

 


 
The moral of the story is that these talented individuals deserve a chance and there are a lot of reasons as to why they would excel in these roles.  When all is said and done though, I could be absolutely wrong and these movies could suck worse than that time Shaq was cast as Doctor John Henry Irons, the character from “Reign of the Supermen that Lois Lane considered to have inhabited Superman’s soul in the aftermath of his death.
 
I don’t think that’s likely to happen though, we’ve come so far….
 

 
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Reasonnnn
Reasonnnn - 8/24/2015, 12:23 PM
Nice article!

Jai Courtney is still a bad choice for any role though, I'm including non-CBMs as well. I just don't get it. I guess an exception would be silent henchman roles a la JACK REACHER.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/24/2015, 12:30 PM
@DrDoom

Thanks!! Nice, Good to see you back on here!! I saw a few comment sections set ablaze after what happened. I think Eisenberg is gonna own the role, but yeah, I see what you mean, if your not a fan, his role in this probably won't change that.

@Reasonnnn

Thanks!! I hear you, I think Jai was good in the trailer, even though we didn't see much of him. Ayer got an amazing performance out of Shia, can't wait to see what he does with Jai, and Suicide Squad in general
pesmerga44
pesmerga44 - 8/24/2015, 12:41 PM
@DrKinsolving

I am with Dr. Doom I just can't stand Jesse Eisenberg I feel like Rob Riggle in Step Brothers with the guy I just can't stand him. I am also against the Steve Jobs new age tech mogul villain they are going for here. Sorry I want a Gordon Gecko 80's Lex not new age Lex. So I just can't get behind him as Lex he could possibly blow me away when I see the movie I just have no faith in the guy.



I am Rob Riggle and Jesse Eisenberg is Will Ferrel.
Reasonnnn
Reasonnnn - 8/24/2015, 12:46 PM
@DrDoom Shia LaBeouf is a great actor though! Surprised he hasn't been in a Woody Allen film because he can play neurotic well.

Ayer is solid enough, but I think Jai should never be the first choice. It's appalling that he managed to get the lead roles in so many franchises. I do hope that the use of his natural accent helps with his performance.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/24/2015, 12:54 PM
@pesmerga44

Haha, I hear you. Personally, I like the casting, because it just shows how much more powerful Superman looks next to Lex, and how much of a physical threat Supes is, it forces you to realize Lex has to use his intelligence because Superman could literally crush him with a finger.

I also like Eisenberg though, I think he's a great actor.
Deonox
Deonox - 8/24/2015, 1:58 PM
OH Dammit! @DrKinsolving you beat me to this. I might have to do a follow up to your article cause you made a lot of impressive points
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/24/2015, 2:04 PM
@Deonox

Haha, thanks man. Nice, do it!
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 8/24/2015, 3:03 PM
Another great editorial!

Miller really is going to nail it as Barry. He's not even in my top 10 picks, purely because he's so much better at playing a bad guy.
He's a really intense actor.

Momoa looks just like someone who could be the King of the Sea, definitely a formidable opponent and ally for Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman.

And yes to Eisenberg, what's key to Lex as a character is not that he's an older, taller, stronger man than Eisenberg, but because his most dangerous weapon is his mind and Jesse has proven to be able to play that, someone incredibly smart and manipulative.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 8/24/2015, 3:25 PM
drdoom- what actually happened?
DallasAvenger
DallasAvenger - 8/24/2015, 3:25 PM
I'm okay with most of the casting, but come on Jason Mamoa is not a good actor, like at all. I have a hard time believing he can emotionally carry what should be an amazing movie.
sKeemAn
sKeemAn - 8/24/2015, 3:27 PM
NIce read. I still dont like Eisenberg has Luthor, but I'm trying to reserve judgement til I see the movie.
Wegm
Wegm - 8/24/2015, 3:28 PM
The only casting I can't wrap my head around is Ezra Miller as Flash. And it has nothing to do with his acting ability, because Ezra's a fantastic actor. But it's just when I see Ezra and think that he's going to play Flash, I fail to put 2 and 2 together. I'm more than willing to give him a shot though and hope that he makes me feel dumb for ever doubting it. But until that happens, I'm going to be confused about it.
BatmanHeisenberg
BatmanHeisenberg - 8/24/2015, 3:28 PM
Yo, @DrKinsolving! Love it man!The DCEU will be awesome!
kinghulk
kinghulk - 8/24/2015, 3:30 PM
by the way theres only 2 castings i dont like ezra miller cos ive never seen or heard of him until the casting and then the first thing i saw of him was that bloody picture of him looking like a woman. and gal gadot ive only seen her in fast and furious and based of that i dont think she's a very good actress although i think for the most part she looks the role.

i like momoa as aquaman but im not quite sure what they are gonna do with him. is aquaman polynesian now? is Atlantis now in the pacific? although he does look cool
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 8/24/2015, 3:31 PM
@DallasAvenger, thank you! Momoa is an awful actor and nobody else around here admits it! Cheers!
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/24/2015, 3:36 PM
@Doopie

Haha, I probably should have mentioned Gal, I was sold after the trailer and comic con

@CherryBomb

Thanks!! I agree with every point you made, right on

@Niklander
@sKeemAn
@BatmanHeisenberg

Can't wait for the DCEU!!

Kyos
Kyos - 8/24/2015, 3:43 PM
I'm still not sold on Gadot, Eisenberg and Affleck. It probably doesn't help that I dislike the general direction of BvS. Sue me. ^^'

I never had strong feelings about Ezra Miller, as I know he's a good actor and, tbh, I simply don't care about the Flash as strongly as I do about the other characters.

Also that interview included in the article alone would've been enough to win me over! :D
Ghostpointzero
Ghostpointzero - 8/24/2015, 3:43 PM
Awesome stuff man, nice to see a fan with a good head on his shoulder.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 8/24/2015, 3:44 PM
The Red Skull was inspired by a hot fudge sundae with a cherry on top amongst other things

GODDAMNIT MARVEL WHAT A FAIL!!!!!!! WHY COULDN'T YOU CAST ONE OF THE DAIRY QUEEN MASCOTS?!?!?!?!

ArtisticErotic
ArtisticErotic - 8/24/2015, 3:50 PM
Best article on this subject.

@huckfinnisher -Dude give it up, you have no good points at all.
CombatWombat
CombatWombat - 8/24/2015, 3:51 PM
YO KINSOLVING













...thumb'd
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 8/24/2015, 3:56 PM
Also @DrKinsolving

Thumbed.

ArtisticErotic
ArtisticErotic - 8/24/2015, 3:56 PM
Also where are people getting the idea that Jason is not a good actor? He is one the best actors out there that has gotten poor material to work with outside of Game Of Thrones.


Conan the Barbarian was a bad film but he was fantastic as Conan, if he had better material to work with movie would have been a hit. Same with Rock as Hercules, terrible film but Rock did an awesome Hercules.


Thundered
Thundered - 8/24/2015, 4:06 PM
@ArtisticErotic- quite the contrary. He has ALL the points imaginable. It's just that you guys are so needy of a DCCU that you'll accept anything to TRY and rival Marvel. I'm not happy with some changes in the MCU but for the most part they are on point with actors who look ripped off the page. Heisenberg, Momoa, Gadot, Adams, Smith, Miller, and Leto??? Yeah. None of the are up to par. Sorry. Deal with it!

And the Rock and Momoa are "good actors?" WOW. Just......WOW. Lmao!
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/24/2015, 4:11 PM
@LEVITIKUZ

Haha, Thanks!! That's probably the coolest upvote gif I've ever seen

@CombatWombat

Ha!! Rocky!!!!! Thanks man
DallasAvenger
DallasAvenger - 8/24/2015, 4:18 PM
@ArtisticErotic If he were a better actor then he would be receiving better roles.
Pedrito
Pedrito - 8/24/2015, 4:23 PM
Defending the casting before their performance is as pointless as attacking it aggressively.
Jesse and Ezra don't look like their parts.. So what? Is there really a need to convince people that looks aren't important?
Of course looks are important to most fans.
But yea, the defense/justification will be their performance.
yonny616
yonny616 - 8/24/2015, 4:26 PM
@Huckfinnihser Considering Mamoa is from Hawaii and Hawaii is a US state, then yes, Aquaman is still "half-American half-Atlantean".

Mamoa looks like Aquaman, whoa, he doesn't have blonde hair so different or doesn't have orange scale armour. So radically different. We've never had an Aquaman that looks like.... oh wait we did. We haven't seen Erza as The Flash nor Barry. What do you mean Eisenberg doesn't look like Lex physically? He reminds me of Young Justice and The Batman Lex Luthor all the time, especially Lex from The Batman. Probably cause his comic book counterpart is recognized as the bald arch-nemesis of Superman, not a redhead, which he has also been in the comics.

Out of costume they aren't actually Barry Allen or Aquaman, they're Erza Miller and Jason Mamoa. Acting as them is their job, as is picking the right actors for the character that Snyder is bringing onto the big screen in the casting directors and Snyder's job. Yes, they do know better as they know how the character is in the story written for the film. Also don't say "we" and ball us all together. "We" had some idiots that wanted Scott Adkins or Karl Urban as Batman just because one can do cool martial arts and the other did a deep voice in another comic book film.
ArtisticErotic
ArtisticErotic - 8/24/2015, 4:29 PM
@Thundered Yeah how about no. The MCU are movies that resemble their parent company films Disney or Pixar films and lack the richness that Marvel characters have in the comics. Most of the characters are made to fit the actors personality.

RDJ as Ironman is RDJ and not really Ironman/Tony Stark, The Thor films are just awful and the Ironman sequels were terrible. Winter Soldier is the one film that feels like a Marvel comic and not just another generic superhero film placed with other random hero. It's one formuliac movie that leads into one big budget formulaic movie. Age Of Ultron and Antman is about as Trite of a superhero movie as it gets.

The MCU films besides maybe a few follow the same boring and tired formula over and over again. The villains are also poorly done, I can't name one villain they did that really stands out as a truly great and memorable villain.

Now you don't have to like the actors but doesn't change the fact that they have talent. Opinions are opinions but the facts are also facts, we can agree to disagree but the guy who made this article had all good points.

Honestly I could care less about a DCCU or a MCU hell I'm not even a big Marvel or DC guy. I just want good films and since Superhero movies are dominating the market well I want them to be good and not generic or crappy ensemble pieces hence the MCU in general thus far . I fail to see any good points he made besides the usual I don't like the casting choices wah wah wah he's done before.

ArtisticErotic
ArtisticErotic - 8/24/2015, 4:35 PM
@DallasAvenger there are a lot of talented actors who don't get good roles. Hollwyood is know for that for decades.

Hell the Oscars are proof of that. Plenty of actors like Sam Jackson, Leonardo Dicaprio, Amy Adams have put out fantastic performance but have no Oscars but yet people like jennifer lawrence keep getting them want to know why? I'll give you a clue it's not about their talent.

DallasAvenger
DallasAvenger - 8/24/2015, 4:58 PM
@ArtisticErotic What do you mean? Sam Jackson, DiCaprio, and Amy Adams have had great roles, lots of them, that seems to be the opposite of the point you were trying to make.
DerekLake
DerekLake - 8/24/2015, 5:30 PM
I agree with most of this. With the exception of Ezra Miller, I think the rest of the new cast is a good fit for the roles. Making Aquaman brown instead of blonde works given that most of the coastal/island peoples are dark-skinned and dark-haired, not blond and white, and it enhances the idea that the Atlanteans are an offshoot of land-based humanity. Lex Luthor does not need to look like Superman's physical equal (he hasn't always been that anyway), and Wonder Woman does not need to have a large cup size or bodybuild to be nearly as strong as Superman.

I would have liked it if they had gone with a classic Barry Allen, especially since the TV show decided not to go that route. But Ezra Miller, personality aside, will be good in the role.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/24/2015, 5:40 PM
@dethpillow
@Ghostpointzero
@ArtisticErotic
@FrozenMarvelite

Haha, Thanks!!

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