Why are there no great women comic book artists?

Why are there no great women comic book artists?

Are women just terrible at comic art? Is there a conspiracy against women artists? Theories are posed and questions asked.

Editorial Opinion
By msutherlin - Feb 19, 2012 07:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Comics
Source: thenerdpocalypse.com

In 1971, Linda Nochlin’s article “Why Have There Been No Great Women Artists?” was published in the magazine ArtNews. This is an important turning point for art history because those on the margins of art creation were brought to center stage, and a new realm of art history was created. In this essay, Nochlin explores the reasons for why women have not achieved the same acclaim in the art world as men. While one can think back through history and find examples such as Vigee-Lebrun or Rosa Bonheur (who coincidentally dressed like a man in order to paint), they are the exceptions rather than the rule. Nochlin argues that this has to do with restricted access to education and societal expectations. With this in mind are there new restrictions in place that cause the following question to emerge: WHY HAVE THERE BEEN NO GREAT WOMEN COMIC BOOK ARTISTS? (Nochlin, 1971)

In 2005 there was a show at the Museum of Contemporary Art titled Masters of American Comics. The 15 masters, selected by independent curators John Carlin and Brian Walker with input from Art Spiegelman, included Lyonel Feininger (“The Kin-der-Kids”), George Herriman (“Krazy Kat”), Winsor McCay (“Little Nemo”), Milton Caniff (“Steve Canyon”), Charles Schulz (“Peanuts”), Jack Kirby (“Fantastic Four,” “X-Men”), Harvey Kurtzman (MAD), R. Crumb, Spiegelman (Maus), Chris Ware (Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Kid on Earth), and Gary Panter (“Jimbo”). Obviously absent was any representation of women. Are women just not as good at comic art as men? Are they incapable of experiencing comics in the same way as men? Are they just less visual, as science suggests? These are important questions worth considering.(Berwick, 2005)

One argument is that women prefer comics with more dialogue that are true to life; according to this argument, the fantasy of sci-fi and superheroes are not appealing to women. I would argue that this is a cop out. In an attempt to try to make excuses for the lack of women artists in comics, one can dismiss female contributors easily by stating that they are not as interested in the typical plots and characters of comics. Contemporary comics have dealt with serious issues and have in fact blended fantasy with reality. (Berwick, 2005)

Real Life in Fantasy

Artist Trina Robbins, worked on the comic Wonder Woman beginning in 1986. In fact, The Legend of Wonder Woman was written by Kurt Busiek and drawn by Robbins. In this series, there was special attention paid to the character’s Golden Age roots. During the mid-nities, Robbins spoke out against Mike Deodato‘s sexualized Wonder Woman. She called Deodato’s version a “barely clothed hypersexual pinup.” She collaborated on the comic Wonder Woman: The Once and Future Story which dealt with the serious issue of spousal abuse. Such issues can be addressed in a way that is less connected to real life and in a way make them much more palatable (Wikipedia).

Secret Wars: The Cultural Paradigm

I would like to argue that in part there is a cultural paradigm that discourages girls and women from getting involved in comic readership. Many times parents become overly concerned about the violence that is inherent to superhero comics and play. Pre-school girls actually engage in superhero play all be it without as much roughness as their male counterparts. The fantasy aspect of superhero play can be empowering to young girls. Through the transference of superhero powers girls can feel as though they can do things that they might not otherwise feel they could have the ability to do. This requires a teacher and parent who are willing to discuss aspects of violence with children and inquire about the positive aspects of such play.

What Other than a comic book nerd parent, you will rarely find a parent giving girls a Superman, Captain America, Hulk, or Batman figure. In the education world, this is what we call the hidden curriculum. We enforce certain values by the context in which we present information. There is a cultural schema that is maintained to keep boys and girls separate. Boy’s emerge from the pre-school years straight from the Bat cave. Instead, we relegate girls to the pink aisle. A place of domestication and kitchen utensils. Heck, go to McDonald’s (not that you would want to) and the first thing that they will ask you after taking your order for a happy meal is boy toy or girl toy. Huh? Should there be such divisions?

Elite Squad: No Girls Allowed

Comic book elitism is not a new thing. In fact, the inaccuracies of this article will most surely be pointed out. However, it is intimidating to enter an all boys’ club. One has to wonder if the elitism prevents women from entering the superhero genre. Claims such as, “I have never met a woman that knew as much as a man about comics have been made.” Yet one needs to look at the larger cultural context to understand why this might be the case.

Instead of focusing on the lack of knowledge (however, I am sure there are many women who know far more about comics than I do) we should be sharing that knowledge collaboratively. Instead of making this an all boy’s club, I propose that we make it a comics club. The Internet has given us a fantastic model for this practice. Think about gift culture or open source culture. Everyone benefits when knowledge is freely shared and not controlled by an elite group. In this vein of thought, I have posted a video below of a panel presented on the Secret History of Women in Comics.



In contemporary times the elitism of comics has begun to break down. Pia Guerra’s artwork in Y the Last Man has done wonders for women comic book artists. So what are your thoughts? Why have there been no great women comic book artists? Or have there been?
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TheGambitFreak
TheGambitFreak - 2/19/2012, 11:38 AM
Confronting this question is the same as asking, "why don't women like comics?", or "Why don't women look at their poo before they flush?" Comics and looking at poo before flushing are dude-esque things, there is, however, the exceptional few who were raise with brothers and no or very few sisters/girls that go bat shit crazy for comics, (Mostly Batman for some reason) and most of them turn out to be lesbians, not being rude, now prejudice, a little, but, deep down into the far reaches in the abyss of the average comic book geek's social/sexual isolation, we know it to be true. Strange anology i know, but it works.
TheGambitFreak
TheGambitFreak - 2/19/2012, 11:39 AM
*analogy.
TheManWithBigEars
TheManWithBigEars - 2/19/2012, 11:45 AM
Sarah Pichelli; she does the Miles Morales Ultimate series, big fan of her art
headlopper
headlopper - 2/19/2012, 12:43 PM
@yossarian - Nice.
I'll see that and raise you, " Because men are better at everything".
headlopper
headlopper - 2/19/2012, 12:53 PM
Kidding aside, well written article.
headlopper
headlopper - 2/19/2012, 1:34 PM
^^^ Bingo!

Uhhh, because the best female artists are at my house drawing and painting nude portraits of myself...and then servicing me.
TheMadman
TheMadman - 2/19/2012, 7:48 PM
@tea: Oh my lord. I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING AT THAT! XD
yankeemanf
yankeemanf - 2/19/2012, 10:36 PM
because you cant draw and make sandwiches at the same time
marvelguy
marvelguy - 2/19/2012, 11:11 PM
This is similar to women in NASCAR, female fighter pilots, and sport hunting. It's unfortunate that it is ingrained in the culture. Obviously, we're already doing better while much ground needs to be covered. Aside from supporting current female creators, we as a community need to support female lead books. DC has fought itself for years justifying NOT cancelling "Wonder Woman" as it would any book with low sales. Bravo to them.

As for all the sexist humor: lame. I'm guessing you guys are all gynophobic.
Giraffehead
Giraffehead - 2/20/2012, 12:48 AM
If you are going to be sexist, you should at least be witty about it. Otherwise it just comes off as juvenile.
cyked
cyked - 2/20/2012, 2:18 AM
I know that coloring is a different thing, but Laura Martin is better than any other colorist I've ever seen.
Nightman127
Nightman127 - 2/20/2012, 3:57 AM
Amanda Conner.
And again, I could've sworn this was Comic Book MOVIE?
ManThing
ManThing - 2/20/2012, 4:41 AM
Because drawing comics is not the same as making me a sandwich. lol j/k
airrun2000
airrun2000 - 2/20/2012, 5:38 AM
Too funny Tea!!!
RunDTC
RunDTC - 2/20/2012, 5:42 AM
@tea: now THAT is funny.
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 2/20/2012, 6:03 AM
Yup, Laura Martin, Sara Pichelli, Fiona Staples off the top of my head.
Jolt17
Jolt17 - 2/20/2012, 6:18 AM
LMAO. But in all seriousness; yes, Sara Pichelli and Amanda Conner are pretty damn great IMO. And besides of Laura Martin, let's not forget the likes of Rachel Dodson, etc.
SCURVYDOG619
SCURVYDOG619 - 2/20/2012, 7:07 AM
Becky Cloonan is doing the art for Conan at Dark Horse. Sarah Dyer collaborates with her husband Evan Dorkin on Milk and Cheese-a.k.a. The Greatest Comic Ever Made About Homicidal Dairy Products..lol Laura Allred colors Madman. Laura Martin worked her way up from being part of the coloring department at Wildstorm in the ealy days of Image to become arguably the best colorist in the industry...
fadersdream
fadersdream - 2/20/2012, 8:01 AM
Small number of female readers, of those only some have enough talent, of those only a small number get the opportunity.

It's not the Penis keeping Women down, the number of Artist reflects the number of fans pretty well.

The problem is many of them are just artists doing their job and going about their professional life, not crusaders fighting for the rights of all women to be allowed to have a pencil and a vagina everywhere.

Also, there is a significantly higher number of female artists in more lucrative media fields; print, design, graphics. Comics don't pay well and most people skip right past them.

I'm tired of so many books and characters being altered to attract women, it's usually done badly and is insulting to women. Make a good book, hold back childish stereotypes and you'll see women read them. Just look at sandman. Neil says "hi" by the way.
chasesuperremey
chasesuperremey - 2/20/2012, 8:04 AM
GOD TEABAG thats great almost pissed my self !
sheebz
sheebz - 2/20/2012, 9:19 AM
It's cuz women are too busy giving birth to dipshit boys like you all who have nothing smart to say.

that is all
jaycr
jaycr - 2/20/2012, 10:22 AM
I used to look up to women for their taste in arts, cinema and literature, until I realized that their taste is worst than men's. Look at the shit they are looking at, reading or listening to. Screw women, stay away from the pencils and the laptops if all you can bring to this world is the story a sparkling vampire or stupid song about your friday night. I like good stories, actually I liked works made by women... but what I liked the most is that they did them out of love and not to bitch about men been more recognized.
Oarsis
Oarsis - 2/20/2012, 1:00 PM
The sexist comments aren't needed.

They are horribly rude.


Though, i don't know any really good comic artsists, who are female...
But, why be so sexist?
Kidding or not.
BigK1337
BigK1337 - 2/20/2012, 1:24 PM
@tweeeenkies3

Actually, the sexist comments weren't made to make fun of female artist in general; just making fun of the article's for demanding more female artists in a rather preachy and up its own ass way, even though there are in fact some good ones today as mentioned in the comments.

Its kind of like all those interviews with Dwayne McDuffie when he complains about the lack of African American comic book writers/artists (God rest his soul).
Oarsis
Oarsis - 2/20/2012, 1:45 PM
@BigK1337...I am sure some wanted to seem that way...But, many women would take that to heart, and would be very offended by it.

I am sure some here mean it just to be funny, but, they come off as rude.
And, some just say the so horribly, they aren't even close to being funny.

But, it's whatever, honestly haha!
BigK1337
BigK1337 - 2/20/2012, 1:54 PM
@tweeeenkies3

Concidering the fact that teabag is the main one making these jokes, I would be very surprise that somebody actually get offended by the guy and his crazy antics.

Speaking of surprises, I am surprise that teabag haven't did his trademark boob posting on a page that is specifically dealling with females; it just seems out of place.
BigK1337
BigK1337 - 2/20/2012, 2:03 PM
LOL! Good ol' teabag; always making a guy's day, by making titties pop up. :)
Oarsis
Oarsis - 2/20/2012, 2:14 PM
@teabag....I am fine with it, if the woman is fine with it, to be honest...if you know she can handle it, and won't flip shit, go for it, have fun!

I am just saying, be careful...Some do take it to heart.


We all love teabags boobs!
Wildaniel
Wildaniel - 2/20/2012, 2:39 PM
Sarah Pichelli is great, she is doing the Miles Morales spiderman. Look at this AWESOME COVER for AvsX...

Oarsis
Oarsis - 2/20/2012, 2:45 PM
@teabag...Very true!

On both points...On people and womens breasts!
Oarsis
Oarsis - 2/20/2012, 3:05 PM
@teabag...I can be reasonable! haha!
EpicMan
EpicMan - 2/21/2012, 9:48 AM
The truth is all mathmatical!

BADMAN81
BADMAN81 - 2/23/2012, 5:15 PM
The above post is a wee bit condescending to be honest, so I thought I'd shed a little light on the matter ;D http://www.badhaven.com/comics/comic-features/abigail-chandler-reminds-us-women-draw-comics-too/
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