David Goyer On How Much He Listens To Comic Book Fan's Reactions

David Goyer On How Much He Listens To Comic Book Fan's Reactions

The man most known for bringing DC Comics legends Batman and Superman to the big screen explains how he wants to give the fans "what they don’t even know they want." Hit the jump.

By Abary - Mar 20, 2014 02:03 PM EST
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There are many moments in comic book movies that have fans divided. Many fans believe that the studios should listen to the fans more often, but how much do we know the studio actually listens to us, and do they even care? Well, David S. Goyer, who helped reinvent two of the greatest and most dearest comic characters of all time, Batman and Superman, explained how the fan expectations may or may not influence his writing. He says that "you’re dealing with an incredibly vocal but incredibly tiny sort of [group]. That’s a mistake that I think a lot of sometimes networks and movie studios make is sort of listening too much to [them]. I mean, it’s important to listen to the fan chatter but you’re really talking about a tiny, tiny, tiny portion of your audience that may not be representative of what your mainstream audience actually thinks or feels." He goes on to discuss the fans who feel some things should be done a certain way when it comes to bringing their favorite comic book characters to life on the big screen. He says, "I’m paraphrasing Steve Jobs, it’s like you don’t give the audience or the consumer what they want, you give them what they don’t even know they want. I mean, being involved in some of these comic book movies and stuff like that, people say, well, this is what they should do. And trust me, if we had just done exactly that I don’t think the audiences would have been completely happy. I mean that’s not to say that filmmakers can’t misfire, but if you try to just do what you think the fan community wants you’ll drive yourself crazy and you won’t actually write anything."

Goyer is perhaps most known for his work on Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy, but he also adapted comic characters such as Superman, Ghost Rider, the Crow, and Blade. A lot of what he did came straight from, or was inspired by, the comics. But he also made a few controversial changes here and there. What do you think of his comments? Sound off in the usual spot.

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Pasto
Pasto - 3/20/2014, 2:08 PM
But....fans don't want it...
ProfessorX
ProfessorX - 3/20/2014, 2:15 PM
So basically, "[frick] the fans".
DaVinci31
DaVinci31 - 3/20/2014, 2:15 PM
Enough with the hate already, he's going to be but an executive producer on the BvS film. Move on.
MsDarkPhoenix
MsDarkPhoenix - 3/20/2014, 2:16 PM
I don't even know what I want... So I actually want Jesse to be Lex Luthor but I don't even know it?? I'm confused...
DaVinci31
DaVinci31 - 3/20/2014, 2:16 PM
Not to mention he's 100% correct.
SaxoWolf
SaxoWolf - 3/20/2014, 2:19 PM
I'll wait for the trailer and first pics. Show the damn suits WB!
ChrisEl
ChrisEl - 3/20/2014, 2:19 PM
And that, David Goyer, is why you fail.
Starfox
Starfox - 3/20/2014, 2:20 PM
MrBlackJack is right. Don't start with the BS. The ignorance of that last flame war killed me.
Kurne
Kurne - 3/20/2014, 2:20 PM
Fans are unhealthy.
DaVinci31
DaVinci31 - 3/20/2014, 2:21 PM
@TheDarkPhoenix

Snyder has one of the most impressive casting records, whether it be himself or the team he chooses to surround himself with, the man delivers.

So, to answer your question, yes. Most likely yes.
Moohika
Moohika - 3/20/2014, 2:24 PM
Goyer= Good idea/concept man,but mediocre writer
Moohika
Moohika - 3/20/2014, 2:25 PM
@Davinci

You're right, he put Fassbender in his first Hollywood movie
MsDarkPhoenix
MsDarkPhoenix - 3/20/2014, 2:26 PM
@DaVinci Seriously, I agree with you. I'm not hating on Snyder or Goyer. But BvS has a record of disappointing castings (Affleck, Gadot, Eisenberg) and I actually supported most of them but I just really can't see Jesse as Lex. I hope they prove me wrong but right now I'm not very happy with that casting.
Pasto
Pasto - 3/20/2014, 2:27 PM
This thread is going to hell in a hand basket.
MsDarkPhoenix
MsDarkPhoenix - 3/20/2014, 2:29 PM
Pissing off BlackJack?? Lol that's easy!!! Where's your Oscar honey??
AsgardianHobo
AsgardianHobo - 3/20/2014, 2:30 PM
So I guess not liking the dialogue in MoS means I really liked it? I just didn't know it! Thanks!

"That’s a mistake that I think a lot of sometimes networks and movie studios make is sort of listening too much to [them]."

Goyer is calling out other networks/studios? Goyer of all people?

Moohika
Moohika - 3/20/2014, 2:37 PM
The only problem I have with Eisenberg as Lex is his voice. If he can alter it like Ledger did for Joker and Hardy did for Bane, then I'd be fine with it.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 3/20/2014, 2:38 PM
Moohika
I agree with all your comments
Peel
Peel - 3/20/2014, 2:38 PM
'it’s like you don’t give the audience or the consumer what they want, you give them what they don’t even know they want.'

In terms of applying that idea to your films David Goyer, that hasn't completely worked, and is too risky to continue doing in the future, especially when WB are just trying to build up a DCCU that may one day involve a Justice League movie.

How about you just stick to what we do want to see and hope for, rather than write up ridiculous crazy ideas? Like the TDKR ending? Your idea of Batman forming a deal with the UN to form the Justice League in BvS?

Seriously I really don't like Goyer as a scriptwriter for DC movies, WB needs to get someone else badly.
SaxoWolf
SaxoWolf - 3/20/2014, 2:39 PM
@MrBlackJack LMAO keep the Leo pics coming
CommanderShepard
CommanderShepard - 3/20/2014, 2:41 PM
Wow, this is going to end well...
GenerationX
GenerationX - 3/20/2014, 2:42 PM
Cigar* what the [frick] is a sigar???
SpiderFraud
SpiderFraud - 3/20/2014, 2:44 PM
DC is 4/4 for me..keep it up Goyer.
MsDarkPhoenix
MsDarkPhoenix - 3/20/2014, 2:46 PM
Yeah MrBJ, that's great but where's the Oscar??? :P
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 3/20/2014, 2:51 PM
well f*ck you Goyer, and excuse me for wanting Superman to act like f*cking Superman.
thank God he's not writing the sequel, that movie now has a chance to suck less.
MsDarkPhoenix
MsDarkPhoenix - 3/20/2014, 2:57 PM
Ok MrBJ, I'll stop!! If that makes you feel any better, I believe that you totally deserve an Oscar! And that you're hot!!
DaVinci31
DaVinci31 - 3/20/2014, 3:01 PM
@TheDarkPhoenix

Yeah I understand. Definitely still skeptical on the Gadot casting.
mbembet
mbembet - 3/20/2014, 3:08 PM
lol no wonder mos sucked
JayJayCAW
JayJayCAW - 3/20/2014, 3:09 PM
Goyer.....STFU.....your drunk.....for the past 15-20 years
batmanvsuperman
batmanvsuperman - 3/20/2014, 3:10 PM
Don't care what anyones talking about just show us and tell us more info they don't even have a name for the movie yet or they didn't tell us wtf
MsDarkPhoenix
MsDarkPhoenix - 3/20/2014, 3:13 PM
@MrBJ And the real flame war hasn't even started yet...

@DaVinci I can't really judge Gadot because I haven't seen her in many movies. But I've seen Jesse and I think that he isn't the right choice for Lex. I didn't like Chris Evans for Captain America at first though and now I love him so I don't want to say bad things before I see the movie!
TheGambitFreak
TheGambitFreak - 3/20/2014, 3:16 PM
All I have to say is Arrow has soundly proven that listening to the fans greatly improves the quality of the product. Same with Hasbros' Marvel Legends line of action figures (Even though they are still miles behind the perfection that was ToyBiz).
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