2012 CBM FightClub THURSDAY SUPERBATTLE CXLII (142)

Message from theWitness/PollMaster:
First of all I want to apologize to those who direct their comments to me, and I was not able to reply (blame it all to my busy schedule).

Guys I appreciate all the comments/criticisms/suggestions I want you guys to know that I take them all into consideration. You've provided a lot of great ideas, some I've acted on, and others I just don't know how to put into effect (but I have them all in file and will get to them once I know how to execute them).

Again I have to thank those guys who come and visit the Club everyday, and who respectfully share their knowledge about these characters. You guys are the one who make these characters come to life. I have to apologize as well if you're seeing the same ""rematches"" and ""big fights"".

To give you an idea on how rematches are done: I made a system that goes through all of our previous bouts (I just recently recalibrated my system that's why it started again from a certain point, but don' worry you'll see classic fights that hasn't been reposted for a while - soon.)

""The Big Fights"" are designed to be there for a year (sorry for club ol' timers if you're getting sick of those, but we do have new members everyday and it would be great to hear ideas coming from them as well.)
The payout for those big fights, the champion would be exempted from any lower card matches. (This might be good news for those who consider Dr Manhattan,Batman and Thor-like characters as overpowered, because this would prevent them in joining future matches).

Those who want to make requests feel free to post them in the comment section. I still list them down, but I do apologize if I can't give proper credits to you anymore. Several of these matches I have up right now came from cbm members, you know who you are and thanks btw.

One update that you may be seeing on coming fights are, I've limited the ""same"" company/group match-ups. That is to give the group standing on top a much more reliable outcome.

Sorry for the long rant, it's rare that you hear from me, and you probably won't hear from me for another while.

Again thank you guys so much, I'll try to improve this fightclub every time I get the chance. You guys get my utmost respect and more power CBM!
-TheWitness/Pollmaster

Jollem is right. Thanks Witness/Pollmaster for all the time and work you put in this Fight Club.

batman beat cap beacuse its the way it would go down, do we really need to go over this again??

relentless, yea that's why even Bat's admitted in a crossover that he couldn't hope to beat Cap. Of course it doesn't matter to fanchildren despite comic writers and even the character declaring it so. Cap's got no weakness for Batman to exploit like he does with Superman and others, Cap is his superior in every way and after a hundred fights and all the prep time he could ever need, Cap would still whip dat ass. Only kids like you dispute it.

yeah, batman said it was concieveable that captain america could beat him, he didnt say it was a sure thin, ill say this, with his steroids cap could outlast batman, sure, but batman is also a peak human and although cap may be slightly stronger ( batman can press 1000lbs, cap 1100lbs) batman got to where he is the old fashioned way, he trained endlessly for years and came out the other end having mastered 127 styles of martial arts, not to mention superior speed agility etc of the finest olympic athletes, whereas cap took his little shortcut and took a little steriods and wham, hes all of a sudden at batmans level, point is, skill outmatches raw stats so in that regard youd have to give batman the win in the short fight, which is what it would be because batman would end it quick.

I could pull up dozen of fights in boxing, mma, etc. where experts predicted one winner, and yet they were proved wrong. Never count batman out of a fight.

And AHHHH...the infamous 8-10 thumbs up

I agree with @Jollem?)

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I think what most Marvel folks overlook when it comes to Batman...is that he is (with very few exceptions)the only fully normal human in the DC Universe. Even with the few exceptions he is a top tier hero in universe.

He has to compete against speedsters, Super strength, magic, super tech, mental powers etc...or a combination of them all. Batman has to use his non engineered physical strength and abilities, superior intellect, tech, and overall courage and tenacity to overcome all of the odds that are otherwise stacked against him.

If I've said it once (and I have) I'll say it again. DC's power scales are much higher than Marvel's and for Batman to not only survive but also be at the top...makes him a bad ass not to be triffled with.

Captain America although also pretty cool and skilled, just doesn't have the "tools" to beat Batman. Batman would find a way...just like he always does.

I love Captain America, but don't think that he could beat Batman. Captain America was created as a piece of WW2 propaganda, with his "super power" bring that the serum brought him to peak human strength/agility/etc. This means that he isn't truly super-human, just the peak of human potential. If anyone has reached that potential, it's Batman. Add on the fact that Batman has mastered more martial arts, mastered more academic disciplines of study and has more resources at his immediate disposal and Batman definitely has the edge. I am not saying that Captain America couldn't win, only that Batman would have a higher win percentage.

Also keep in mind that the polls and results don't reflect how close people think the fights would be, only who people think would win in the end.

Batmans Rogue Gallery is in line with what makes him such a powerful hero in a wrold of superpowered heroes.

Most of his rogues are super intelligent insane psychopathic criminals. They are hell bent on killing him. Yet...1. they don't, and 2. He doesn't kill them. That takes restraint and personal fortitude.
He also has the super powered kind lke Killer Croc, or Freeze, Clayface, Grundy, Bane....as well as the organizations that he fights against, such as The League of Assassins, and the Circus of the Strange.

If anything he is EXACTLY like Captain America when it comes to a rogues gallery. Captain America may have a few more..."head on" blow for blow type villians but that's just because it's in his wheelhouse. Batman's Rogues are so much more dangerous because of the high level of intellect and the fact that they don't really want anything except to kill Batman and anyone else who gets in their way.

Capt. America on the other hand....his rogues want something...usually world domination he just gets in the way...they really couldn't care less about him as long as he doesn't get in their way.

Both engage in the bigger battles that threaten earth.

I think that most people associate Captain America with Superman...that would be wrong. He is more in line with Batman when comparing the 2 universes. But Batman has more "tools" than a frozen soldier from the '40.

If it was a hand to hand knock out drag out fist fight then I would vote on Daredevil but Batman can use his gadgets then he would win. Batman could also use his sonic batarang and mess up Daredevil's senses.

l0rdleg0las - If we start falling back on the "x will kill, y won't" argument, then we can easily say that Captain America won't kill another hero, ESPECIALLY knowing that they share the same alignment. He isn't Punisher.

@BattlinMurdock, its obvious to me that you havent really read any batman origin stories have you, they guy started training from the age of 7 or 8 depending on the origin to fight crime, in the stats page it says that he mastered full body control at the age of 12, dudes a machine...to say that Daredevil is a better fighter than wayne is a ludicrus statement and he is batman 24/7, bruce wayne is a facade, DD has no chance here, even if he did have more agility than batman (which he doesnt) and even if his sonar worked to his advantage to temporarily get the upper hand on batman all batman has to do is pull out one of his sonar devices, in fact daredevil is perfectly tailored to be beaten by batman he has the same type of echo location senses that a bat has and we all know the mastery batman has over them....

@l0rdleg0las it does matter how they came to be a peak human, imagine one guy trains for 20 years to become the best athlete on the planet, all the repitiotions he had to go through all the sweat all the costant practice, now guy number two was sot up to peak huma overnight by some trumped up steroid and over the next couple year he learns martial arts and all that, who do u think is more likely to win this fight? the guy whos trained day in day out for 20 years, knows his moveset by relflex, or the guy who just got his abiltities all at once, maybe a little stronger but alot less skilled?? theres a reason why the old addage is "practice makes perfect" and batman is a shining example of that: skill > ability....... batman > captain america