Andy Serkis Says Supreme Leader Snoke Is Not Darth Plagueis

Andy Serkis Says Supreme Leader Snoke Is Not Darth Plagueis

But in this era of studio and actor denials, do you actually believe him? Star Wars fans across the globe have already pointed out numerous similarities between Kylo Ren's (Adam Driver) master and the canon master of Darth Sidious.

By MarkJulian - Jan 06, 2016 07:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
Source: EW

In the official release of the first stills of Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis) and Maz Kanata ( Lupita Nyong’o) Entertainment Weekly confirmed that Snoke is " … just Snoke." In other words, he's not Darth Plagueis, the Sith Lord and master of Darth Sidious (who in turn, was the master of Kylo Ren's grandfather, Darth Vader).  From previous quotes from Serkis, we learn that Snoke is a Sith Lord who is suffering from severe physical damage, which might explain his absence from the Original Trilogy and prequels.  It's quite apparent that he's been in a serious fight as evidenced by his heavily scarred face.  The question then becomes, was it damage from Jedi warriors or other Sith Lords?


 

 

 

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HavocPrime
HavocPrime - 1/6/2016, 7:41 AM
Get the feeling this is a whole "Benedict is playing John Harrison and nothing else" situation
Philip
Philip - 1/6/2016, 7:48 AM
@HavocPrime not too sure about that, considering they played with the idea of Snoke being female, before settling on male and casting Serkis.
Dumegg
Dumegg - 1/6/2016, 7:49 AM
If Serkis really playing Plagueis, he's not going to admit it now as spoil it. He will lie just like J.J Abrams
And Benidict Comberbatch did for Kahn in star trek II.
BestAtWhatIDo
BestAtWhatIDo - 1/6/2016, 7:50 AM
The quotations alongside the photos are old - from a few months before the release. If he's referring to TFA, he's definitely just Snoke, but in terms of the larger saga, there is much still to be revealed about Snoke, and I think he could still turn out to be Plagueis.
Dumegg
Dumegg - 1/6/2016, 7:53 AM
...and I think They played with Snoke being a female before they decided the bad guy was going to be Plagueis.
Once they decided on him being a male, they went with Plagueis
SuperCat
SuperCat - 1/6/2016, 7:56 AM
Yeah, right. Reminds me of when J.J. kept denying Cumberbatch was really Khan.

PapaEmeritus
PapaEmeritus - 1/6/2016, 7:57 AM
Yeah, sure... Marion Cotillard wasn't Talia too.
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 1/6/2016, 8:00 AM
Brightestdaze
Brightestdaze - 1/6/2016, 8:01 AM
Voldermort?
MrJillyMcBeam
MrJillyMcBeam - 1/6/2016, 8:01 AM
But the Supreme Leader is "wise."
GhostDog
GhostDog - 1/6/2016, 8:02 AM
What if Snoke is Vader??? This theory has recently been floating around. Idk if I agree with it or like it, but I tried to really understand it and how it could work



The scarring is similar, but not just that....

In SWTOR, Darth Revan literally is split in two. Apparently his "dark" half didn't want to let go after the foundry so he's walking around trying to summon the emperor to [frick] him up but his "good" side force ghost comes to him and combine to one and he dies. Basically, it was retconned that Revan pyshically died after the foundry,but when he went to join the force the dark side part of him didn't want to and used his dead body as vessel,kicking out the "lightside" part as ghost and splitting in two
apparently.



This isn't definite canon I don't think, but JJ and co seem to have no problem taking inspiration from the EU and other non canon SW Universe shit. This split of light and dark is intriguing.


SPOILERS! (but im assuming you've seen TFA by now)

If this theory is true, I'd like to think that only the "Chosen One" would be capable of splitting his light and dark side. Snoke would be the dark side that survived, while the light passed on. Anakin is in between, the balance. When he "died" or became Vader, that balance was shaken; more so broken. Then he returned to the light and killed Palpatine. By then, he was already dying. When he died, the light and balance went with him. But,  somehow, his dark side figured out a way to live on.



This theory is soooo intriguing because it only makes Kylo Ren's  journey more significant. Snoke aka Dark Anakin, instructed Kylo to "fight the light". By killing his father, he rid himself of that. Snoke wants Luke found so badly, because he represents his connection to the light: he's his son. Snoke being Anakin's pure dark side would mean he wants any connection to the light destroyed. And by molding Kylo into this perfect dark jedi, it's like he's living through him and fixing his own past in a way. Snoke would be angry that his light side killed Palpatine and gave into to the good side. He's kind of getting a re-do by having his grandson be a better version of him. 



Dumegg
Dumegg - 1/6/2016, 8:05 AM
Also, the wounds on his head are in exatly the same place as they are in the book Darth Plagueis.
The book is not cannon any more but wounds are the same spot.
hartley07
hartley07 - 1/6/2016, 8:06 AM
and before empire strikes back came out, most of the actors would tell you that obi-wan killed lukes father...
ajsimone34
ajsimone34 - 1/6/2016, 8:13 AM
I mean, the article doesn't confirm or deny anything. Even if Serkis actully said "Snoke is not Plagueis" would you really hold any weight to that? It's like if back between A New Hope and Empire James Earl Jones said Vader isn't Luke's father. Of course they'd say that. Plagueis makes too much sense not to be true. Serkis has said that Snoke wasn't around during the prequels for a reason...because he was dead. Think about it.

1. Plagueis could manipulate midiclorians and create life.
2. Anakin had no father and had more midiclorians than anyone had ever seen
3. Plagueis was "killed" by Palpatine and took on Anakin as his apprentice
4. Believing that Plagueis actually created Anakin from the Force, when Anakin died in RotJ, all of the Force energy had no living form...AND REVERTED BACK TO PLAGUEIS. This would completely explain how he missed the events of the original trilogy. When Anakin died, the midiclorians that Plagueis used to create him reverted back and resurrected Plagueis. It was then that he probably took a few years to get back into things and took advantage of the broken Empire to create the First Order. He knew Luke would never be turned after hearing about the events in Jedi and played a long game with his next best option, Ben. The rest just played itself out to what we saw in TFA.
5. Snoke is Plagueis
Gigacrusher45
Gigacrusher45 - 1/6/2016, 8:24 AM
@ComicsBornAndBred

Why the hell are you putting a photo of that huge spoiler? You realize someone would see the SPOILER "warning" at the same time as the damn photo right? Right?
HubbleFunk
HubbleFunk - 1/6/2016, 8:25 AM
Yeah, sure Andy... we believe you.....

Gigacrusher45
Gigacrusher45 - 1/6/2016, 8:27 AM
@yingyangpalms

You literally know nothing about him. How can you determine if he's a boring character? That's like seeing the Emperor for the first time in Empire Strikes Back and immediately claim he's "such a boring character from that one scene I saw him in with only a few sentences".
GhostDog
GhostDog - 1/6/2016, 8:29 AM
@Gigacrusher45 I'm assuming everyone has seen this film. Come on, or knows what's happened. People were posting spoilers long before I did. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's been out for a while and I'm not the first to divulge this. Many reviews on this site have as well as other users have in older posts.

Shit, my mom knows Han died and she doesn't give two shits about SW lol. I didn't give her that info either, the Internet did.
jmorin
jmorin - 1/6/2016, 8:38 AM
If he's Plagueis then he has taken on a different form. The picture on the left (top of the article) is what Munns look like. Aside from illustrations of Plagueis, there is a Munn that actually appears in Revenge of the Sith.

They have tall heads, flat noses and small ears. Snoke looks more like a human with burn scars (which would lend more credence to the Darth Vadar comparison, but I hope that's not true). He doesn't look like a Munn, other than having pale skin.
LordHarryLatts
LordHarryLatts - 1/6/2016, 8:38 AM
Who hit Voldemort with a bat ? That's rude.
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 1/6/2016, 8:42 AM
Snoke is NOT a Darth. So he was NOT a Sith Lord. Some of the theories are so off they remind me of the bad prequel theories of the 1990s.

Abrams said Snoke is a powerful user of the dark side of the force but that Ren is not a Sith. There are no Sith in this trilogy as of yet. Snoke is most likely the Grand Inquisitor or someone like him.
Dumegg
Dumegg - 1/6/2016, 8:45 AM
You dont know that snoke isnt a darth. The empire didnt refer to palpitine as darth sidious. They called
Him emperer palpitine. Only sith and jedi would refer to him as darth.
spidey1994
spidey1994 - 1/6/2016, 8:47 AM
Listen to this music in this clip:


Then listen to Snoke's theme:
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 1/6/2016, 8:48 AM
If Snoke is not Plagueis, then I say he's... and this is gonna sound insane... Kylo Ren.


The scarring on his face is eerily similar to the ones that Kylo now has after his battle with Rey. Perhaps, and yes I'm reaching here, perhaps he's pulling an Infamous and is trying to lead his past self down a specific path. I know time travel has never really been introduced in the films, but would you really put it beyond the Force's limits?
Kr08
Kr08 - 1/6/2016, 8:50 AM
LITERALLY

PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 1/6/2016, 8:56 AM
@Dumegg If Snoke were a Sith, Kylo would be a Darth. Snoke is just a dark side user. There is no Sith in 7-9.
Kr08
Kr08 - 1/6/2016, 9:01 AM
@Thegeekygurl Snoke is a Sith. Kylo isn't a Darth anything because Snoke has decided to step away from the rule of two. He is Darth Plagueis and he isn't risking having another Sith lord usurp him anymore, especially if he's found a way to live forever. As long as there are Jedi, there will always be Sith.
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 1/23/2016, 6:35 AM
@Kr08 Snoke is not a Sith. That is quite obvious.
Termin8er
Termin8er - 1/6/2016, 9:10 AM
I find it odd that so many people are describing Snoke as underwhelming, considering we never saw the Emperor in A New Hope and only see him briefly as a hologram (played by an old lady) in Empire Strikes Back....
Dumegg
Dumegg - 1/6/2016, 9:15 AM
@ thegeekgurl - it could be possible that Kylo isnt a Sith...yet. Maybe he must complete his training before
The title of Darth is granted to him. Unfortunately we dont know whats instore for episodes 8 and 9.
Much could be revealed (:
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 1/6/2016, 9:16 AM
I don't get this theory at all. Plagueis is a Munn. Snoke is very clearly a human. They aren't even the same race. They don't even look anything alike.

Sure there is some similar imagery in the pic of the giant Snoke talking to Ren and the cover of the Darth Plagueis book. But lets not forget that first time we see Palpatine was also a giant head with Vader standing in front of him. Thats also very similar imagery.

When you strip thos coincidences away, the facts don't make any sense for this theory.

ImBatman4realz
ImBatman4realz - 1/6/2016, 9:23 AM
@jmorin and @CorndogBurglar

the expanded universe is no longer canon as stated numerous times by Lucasfilm/Disney. They can now make Plagueis any kind of humanoid that they want to. He doesn’t have to be a Munn anymore.

@Thegeekygurl

Abrams can say whatever he wants to lead us off the trail of future ‘reveals’. Just because he says Snoke is not a Sith, doesn’t mean anything. In order to learn the dark side of the force, one must be trained by a Sith (i.e.: General Grievous with his lightsaber training).

After all is said and done, I’m sure with the terrific writers, they’ll come up with some great plot-twists and terrific story for the future episodic installments. Whoever Snoke is, it will be cool. My thoughts are – he IS Darth Plagueis.
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