LOOKING BACK #10: Spider-Man 4

LOOKING BACK #10: Spider-Man 4

With The Amazing Spider-Man releasing next week, now seems like an appropriate time to resurrect the CBM feature "Looking Back" and explore the fourth Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie that almost happened.

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By MarkJulian - Jul 01, 2012 08:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man


By: @_MarkJulian

It's been a while but Looking Back is well....back. And for the 10th installment we're going to look at Spider-Man 4 which was in early development before Spider-Man 3 was released to virtually universal disappointment. Not to say that the film was bad per say, but the bar for the third installment was set incredibly high thanks to its predecessor and the the final product came up well short. However, before the film's release, Sony was counting on the third film dominating the box office and was quietly planning for not only the fourth film but a fifth as well, which was to be shot simultaneously. Ideas were actively being discussed, shot down and reintroduced by involved parties before the whole thing finally collapsed. There were also a lot of interesting and familiar names attached to the script and villain roles as well. Ultimately, we ended up with a reboot from Marc Webb starring Andrew Garfield but on paper, Spider-Man 4 appeared to be a film that could've restored the credibility of 'Raimi and co.' in the eyes of the Spider-Man faithful.

In the early 2000s, Sony's Spider-Man franchise set the standard for superhero films. The first Spider-Man film caught moviegoers by surprise and the sequel managed to surpass their staggeringly high expectations, putting a lot of pressure on the third installment. Encouraged by the box office windfall of the first two films, Sony was already looking towards a fourth Spider-Man film before filming for Spider-Man 3 wrapped. In 2007, the film entered early development with Sony hiring James Vanderbilt (The Losers, The Amazing Spider-Man, Robocop 2013) to write the script. A rewrite was later penned by David Lindsay-Abaire (Rise of the Guardians, Oz: The Great and Powerful) and then rewritten again by Gary Ross (The Hunger Games, Seabiscuit). The film even had a tentative release date of May 6, 2011 setting up a head-to-head showdown with Marvel's Thor.. But by 2008, Sony was finding that getting a fourth Spider-Man film in theaters was not going to be an easy task. Raimi made no secret that he never really wanted to include Venom in Spider-Man 3 and the railing he took from fans and critics proved that he was right and the studio was wrong. Said Raimi, “They really gave me a tremendous amount of control on the first two films, actually. But then there were different opinions on the third film and I didn’t really have creative control, so to speak.” Also, by this time, the cast of bright-eyed newcomers in the first Spider-Man film had become major Hollywood players and were flexing serious muscle when it was time to negotiate a return now that their 3-picture deals were up. The film appeared to be in serious jeopardy at the very early stages but eventually all the principal creators and actors [*minus Kristen Dunst] were eventually signed up to return and filming was scheduled to kick off in the early summer of 2010. Raimi had been assured that he would have creative control once again and that the studio was fine with having a two-villian approach. When it became clear to Raimi that neither of these things were true, he prudently decided to walk away from the project. After the backlash he received from Spider-Man 3, who could blame him? [*It should be noted that various rumors surrounding the script were contradictory as to whether Kristen Dunst would actually be returning].

As for the intended villains of the piece, names like Morbius, Vulture, Carnage, Venom (done right this time), Kraven, Mysterio and The Lizard were bandied about by the cast and filmmakers alike. The Mysterio rumor gained a ton of buzz when it was revealed by Raimi that actor Bruce Campbell would be returning and would have "a big role in the film." However, John Malkovitch and Anne Hathaway were ultimately chosen to portray Spider-Man adversaries, Felicia Hardy and Adrian Toomes, better known as The Black Cat and The Vulture in the pages of Marvel comics. Along with this report came the dubious news that, to the dismay of fans everywhere, Hathaway would not be suiting up as The Black Cat but would portray an all new character called The Vulturess. As you can imagine, that bit of news did not go over well at all. Reportedly the plot of the film had Parker moving on from Mary Jane and starting a relationship with Hardy. Meanwhile, Spider-Man would be busy battling the Vulture who is secretly Felicia's father. When Spider-Man accidentally kills him, Felicia takes up her father's villainous ways continuing the fight with Spider-Man. Only this small tidbit of the plot ever emerged (correct me if there's more) and it's eerily similar to the Green Goblin storyline that played out over the first three films. But this isn't what irked Raimi, reportedly, the studio was not happy with the choice of villain and wanted more recognizable names like Electro, The Lizard or Carnage and was adamant that the film be shot in 3D, something Raimi was not familiar with. News surfaced in December 2010, that Raimi was clashing frequently with Sony execs over production interference and that he even began to sabotage the script as a threat to to get them to back off. Apparently they didn't get the message.

In January 2010, Sony officially announced that plans for Spider-Man 4 were canceled due to their inability to come to an agreement with Raimi and that the franchise would be rebooted. Sony's search for a director came down to two individuals, Marc Webb and Matthew Vaughn, and of course Webb got the gig.

Interesting stuff to say the least. It would have been interesting to watch the box-office battle between Spidey and Thor unfold. Today, we might be hounding Tobey Maguire about plans to cameo in Avengers 2 instead of Andrew Garfield.


Before signing up for Iron Man 2 Rourke was reportedly in talks to play Kraven the Hunter in Spider-Man 4.



We even had a licensing poster made for CinemaCon.



Before signing up to play Selina Kyle in The Dark Knight Rises, Anne Hathawy almost played The Black Cat..er...The Vulturess in Spider-Man 4.






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Makiveli21
Makiveli21 - 7/1/2012, 8:42 AM
raimi sucks tobey sucks kirsten dunst sucks that 70s venom sucks...... those movies sucked! thank god for the reboot!
UncleJimmy
UncleJimmy - 7/1/2012, 8:45 AM
Glad it never happened. To bad Raimis original campy child targeted films still did. I just want to forget they exist now, complete garbage.
NerdyGeek
NerdyGeek - 7/1/2012, 8:45 AM
Fantastic article Mark! Loads of things I never knew about here
UncleJimmy
UncleJimmy - 7/1/2012, 8:45 AM
^^^Venom was created in the late 1980's and they did not do him justice at all. lol
prettynuclear2
prettynuclear2 - 7/1/2012, 8:50 AM
Raimi really has no idea how to make up a story. His writing in Spider-Man 3 was what made it suck, not Sony's involvement.
LucasMend
LucasMend - 7/1/2012, 8:50 AM
Woah I remember all of the new back on Spider-Man 4 day, glad it didn't happened, there was even a rumor that MJ and Peter would have a kid, and a ginger boy was cast on the movie, which set things on fire.Great write up!
PaulRom
PaulRom - 7/1/2012, 8:53 AM
Good write up. Story sounded pretty off (particularly the Vultress bit). As happy as I am that we're getting a Spider-Man film closer to the comics, I would've liked to see Raimi redeem himself with one more film. Loved the first film, and #2 is the best Marvel film next to The Avengers.
BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 7/1/2012, 8:53 AM
Getting Raimi away from these movies was the best decision they ever could have made. All Sony wanted to do was give the fans what they wanted by putting Venom in the third movie. They knew it would lead to big business. Raimi is the one that screwed it all up.
ninjaturtle11
ninjaturtle11 - 7/1/2012, 8:57 AM
looking at the new costume it makes the old one look stupid
Joker08
Joker08 - 7/1/2012, 8:57 AM
I remember reading on CBM while 4 & 5 were still in production, and we were in the middle of "Raimi vs Sony" case, one of the gimmicks Sony tried to pull was in an attempt to cash in on the success of Avatar. They wanted the "Vulture" to be a big blue robot that Toomes would control with his mind from a meditation chamber...

If Webb does come back for TASM2 and beyond, I wonder if Sony will begin stripping him of his creative freedom...
Fantine
Fantine - 7/1/2012, 9:03 AM
To all the people doubting over Hathaway's Catwoman casting, doesnt this prove shes right for the role? She must have something, I dont know what but there must be something about her that makes her good in these roles, the fact she was cast as Black Cat and Catwoman makes me believe shes perfect for Selina Kyle.
6of13
6of13 - 7/1/2012, 9:03 AM
Was the vulturess ever really officially confirmed or was just hearsay published by various websites?

Here is a quote from the article here on CBM that also stated Anne Hathaway would be the vulturess:
They go on to say that the reason the character of The Lizard was dropped is "The suits simply can’t bring themselves to sign off on such an odd-looking enemy — instead, they’d rather closer to villains with a human face."
mawilli4
mawilli4 - 7/1/2012, 9:07 AM
Spider-Man 1 was good. 2 even more so. The only thing I didn't like in those was the Halofied Green Goblin. other than that I though both of those 2 were fantastic.
SuperDan89
SuperDan89 - 7/1/2012, 9:09 AM


I thought they were good, well 1 and especially 2. I believe 3 was due to pressure from the studio, the original idea was to focus the film on Sandman and Vulture. But the studio and fans wanted Venom so they threw that in at the last moment, creating an overcrowded, half baked film which turned into a big mess.

@6of13 - "Was the vulturess ever really officially confirmed or was just hearsay published by various websites?"

Yes it was confirmed, here is some early concept art:

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6of13
6of13 - 7/1/2012, 9:10 AM
I hated the way the symbiote was introduced in SM3. It was just so unexciting.

I had hoped the symbiote's arrival would be far more dramatic.
D117
D117 - 7/1/2012, 9:11 AM
I don't think Sony would want to screw up again with having creative control rather than the director. Do that again and everyone will go nuts.
thewolfx
thewolfx - 7/1/2012, 9:12 AM
lol look at all the bandwagony hyped up sheep bitches in this article hatin on raimis trilogy .


i bet u asshats werent sayin this while you were in aww watchin spidey fight doc ock on a train.


not sayin webbs spidey wont be good but dont 4get the reason why your lil basketballman n goomba are here in the firstplace. :)
xfan320
xfan320 - 7/1/2012, 9:17 AM
great article, but no mention of Malkovich as Vulture. He was already cast too.

it's funny tho, the suit does look kinda stupid now after TASM lol
BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 7/1/2012, 9:21 AM
I never liked Spider-Man 2. I don't think they handled the fighting well at all. Spider-Man never should have been able to make contact with Doc Ock. The whole fight should have been with the arms. Spider-Man was able to get close too many times. Shouldn't have done that until the end of the movie. The whole bit with the arms being intelligent and the Doc not really being a bad guy was stupid too. Not as great a movie as people say it is. The first is the best, but that had it's problems too. I remember liking it so much at the time because it was the first time that it really felt like a comic book came to life. Personally for me, the third one is the only one I can watch now, but simply just because it is so bad it is fun to laugh at.
Joker08
Joker08 - 7/1/2012, 9:21 AM
@SuperDan89:

That concept art is from Spider-Man 3 - not of the Vultress. But I'm sure Hathaway was confirmed to be playing said character - it wasn't just a rumor.
BarnaclePete
BarnaclePete - 7/1/2012, 9:23 AM
@SuperDan89 . . That is a design for the Vulture not the Vlulturess.
D117
D117 - 7/1/2012, 9:25 AM
@thewolfx: I agree with you there
xfan320
xfan320 - 7/1/2012, 9:26 AM
^^agreed, the symbiotes intro was totally lame and random in SM3...

no clue why they didnt bring back Jameson Jr.... Raimi friggin' put Venom elements in SM2 and still ruined it...

the 90's series did it best...hands down!! Crashed shuttle was the Shiite and Rhino was a straight badass..shocker too..ugh, memories lol!
SuperDan89
SuperDan89 - 7/1/2012, 9:29 AM
@Joker08 + @BarnaclePete - Ah I thought he posted Vulture not the Vulturess, in that cases I heard nothing about the Vulturess.
OrsonRandall
OrsonRandall - 7/1/2012, 9:35 AM
The only thing I'll miss more Bruce Campbell
StormLoganSummers
StormLoganSummers - 7/1/2012, 9:39 AM
And to think that there are numties out there who would have preferred SM4 over TASM.
webheaded
webheaded - 7/1/2012, 9:50 AM
As much as I love the Raimi series, I'm glad we got this awesome reboot. That storyline would've been disgusting to behold. Plus, 'The Amazing Spider-Man' is looking 10x better than anything we've seen yet. Shit happens, but I'm glad we're in the spot we're in now.
Uhhhhhh
Uhhhhhh - 7/1/2012, 10:03 AM
You guys who are mad because these films were targeted towards kids need to grow up. These films were made for kids, not weird pervert adults like all of you. Be glad you all got a live-action Spider-Man, Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom, and Sandman. While I am super excited for the reboot and think it will demolish Raimi's series, Raimi's series was pretty good.
SLK
SLK - 7/1/2012, 10:58 AM
Such a pity SM4 never happened... This adolescent reboot with a skinny stick as Spider-man sucks.
REDSTORM
REDSTORM - 7/1/2012, 11:07 AM
Oddly enough, there's an unused lizard character design in the Spider-Man 3 video game that looks just like the Lizard in ASM.
REDSTORM
REDSTORM - 7/1/2012, 11:13 AM
And why does everyone suddenly hate the Raimi trilogy? I recall SM2 was considered the best superhero movie up until TDK was released. SM1 was great as well, and SM3 really wasn't THAT bad.
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