5 Of The Most Common Complaints Made By Comic Book Fans, 3rd Complaint!

5 Of The Most Common Complaints Made By Comic Book Fans, 3rd Complaint!

Comic book fans are passionate people with extremely strong opinions. They give these opinions, whether studios and production houses like it or not. Read on for the 3rd of five articles exploring the most common complaints fans make about comic book movies.

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By efcamachopmp - Sep 03, 2013 12:09 AM EST
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This is the next article in the 5 part series, “5 Of The Most Common Complaints Made By Comic Book Fans” you can find, The 1st Complaint, and The 2nd Complaint by clicking on their links respectively.

“The Movie Is Exactly The Same As The Comic!”

The Usual Statements

“It was too confusing and didn’t translate well on film.”
“I already know this story, give me something original!”
“Why is this movie being made instead of ____________”
“I think it looks strange translated exactly as it is in the comic, it looks cheesy on screen.”
“I liked the comic but the film could have been changed to improve the story”
“Zack Snyder is too hyper-stylistic, and I didn’t want to see the graphic novel this way. I want it to be more realistic.”

What? Why? Who The F*** Cares!?

Yes, indeed there are fans, so puerile, that even the most faithful of interpretations were not good enough. There are fans among these ranks that had valid points and arguments on this topic; most of them get drowned out by the noise made collectively between the ones making pointless debates, and those flaming them for making the pointless debates. Eventually many of the same people making some of the constructive arguments end up adopting an affinity for the films in this category. However, let’s delve into the aspects of this particular complaint.

The main argument posed by fans (and some critics), included among the hardcore elite, were generally the notion that these films weren’t really creative works; that they were blatant direct adaptations of comics to film. Pretty much using the comic like a direct storyboard and shot list, with little, if any, creative license taken to improve the project and bring it closer to a mainstream market; maintaining it completely for the fans that know and have read the comics or graphic novels.

In an attempt to remain objective, I still have to admit, I myself, was completely baffled that we were getting (nearly) picture perfect adaptations of some amazing comic books. Because it just normally doesn’t happen, the financial risk is exceptionally high. To actually gain a faithful representation of a beloved story, only to listen to a large group of fans complain, and ultimately not support the film, I felt was an (enormous) insult. Especially, witnessing for many years, fans debating about the lack of faithfulness to a source of material for any given movie. It all just seemed like a slap in the face to me.

My inner geek wanted to smack these people, and tell them how many ways they can go screw random objects. However, I (mostly) remained calm and began to understand their points of view; without over-arguing my own point (on various forums) that “…Fans are just never happy…it’s either not close enough to the comic, or it’s too close to the comic; make up your minds? Is it any wonder why studios don’t give a crap about our opinions?”

Many arguments sprang up on this trend specifically surrounding Zack Snyder’s work, which is exceptionally high profile in the comic book world. We can analyze some of what may be occurring in the DC universe with Man of Steel in contrast to what he experienced when making and promoting Watchmen. One, a completely faithful adaptation in conjunction with David Hayter; who actually received high praise by Alan Moore, himself, for writing Watchmen. Against, a variety of creative adjustments penned by David S. Goyer and Chris Nolan; however, it would be highly speculative, even with some evidence to support our suppositions.

A Few Films that were too close to the comics that were complained about

Watchmen
Sin City
300
Hellboy
The Crow
Punisher
Tank Girl

How it all turned out. Well, not all of it.

A few of the examples above had exceptionally strict adaptations to specific comics, graphic novels, and novels of certain works. Fans at first argued over creative license issues, versus keeping the properties untouched. When all of them hit theaters, the critics usually had great things to say, and the audience reactions (in the mainstream) were positive in majority. A couple of the films that took scrutiny for being so closely adapted to the source material were based on Frank Miller graphic novels, 300 & Sin City. To a degree most of the arguments were dismissed as crassly idiosyncratic drivel; yet, some of the arguments were based more on Snyder’s ability to direct 300.

Snyder's film, Watchmen, did fail in the theaters, only moderately recovering from the home market, however is still considered one of the most faithful adaptations a comic has ever had to film. The same naysayers that held their ground on the concept of “too faithful” championed the notion that Watchmen failed because of its near direct frame-by-frame adaptation. Truth told it wasn’t a completely frame-by-frame adaptation, with Snyder changing the ending. However, all things considered, this CBM was “virtually” a perfect visual film, expressing some extremely potent political messages, on a comic event that was not really a mainstream story. Rather, it was trying to be a mainstream comic. But because it was not at all adapted for a broad audience, it ended up failing on the big screen. In essence, the hardcore fans got a film just for themselves.

I remember a comment made to me by an event organizer at comic-con regarding this particular film when we were both running a panel. It was bold and presumptuous, but he said, “Watchmen is the most important comic book of our time, about the most important events parodied in our history.” I didn’t dismiss this comment, even though it was a very strong statement. But I always remember it when I think about how Watchmen performed in the theaters.

How about other films in this category complaint, like Sin City? Tank Girl? The Crow? Better yet, Punisher. We’ve received three Punisher films over the years, and we have yet another reboot incoming; I should really say, in development for 2014. Fans have stated the 80’s Dolph Lundgren Punisher was too insane; a man that pretty much sat naked in filth, and killed mercilessly, everyone in his way. Thomas Jane had too much emotion and not enough rage. Even if the 2004 film had more creative license vs. adaptation, that based itself on a more modern version of Frank Castle. The Ray Stevenson, attempt-to-be comic accurate, killing machine version, (aptly titled) Punisher: Warzone; ended up, one of the biggest bombs of all time in comic book film history; honestly it was the 80’s version of the Punisher film without all of the pooh.

With regard to that last comment, it’s interesting to note, a good portion of the films argued to be too faithful, even in minute debates, have generally failed in the theaters. With the exceptions being the Frank Miller GN’s directed by Zack Snyder & Robert Rodriguez, 300 & Sin City, respectively.

Some of these films that failed ended up becoming cult classics like Tank Girl, which bombed worse than Punisher Warzone. While we might find it audacious that a fan could make the argument “This is too much like the Comic.” Those fans might be right that perhaps a comic without some preparation for the real world will simply not survive on the big screen. But I discredit most of that notion wholesale and assert that the films that failed had a variety of other factors causing that failure. Watchmen was made to be a faithful representation and failed financially because it was not a mainstream story, it was too faithful to a graphic novel that was somewhat obscure, and heavy handed in its messages, as most of Alan Moore’s messages are themselves heavy handed.

Were you among those that thought Watchmen needed to have original material in the film? Were you a fan that didn’t agree with a film being directly adapted from a comic? Every day this week a new common complaint fans make will be posted.

Comment, tweet, share, bitch, moan, praise, adore, flame, complain about a typo, or add to the conversation however you please. You’re comic book fans, it’s your right! @emanuelfcamacho

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m0th3r
m0th3r - 9/3/2013, 12:54 AM
I have never heard anyone say it was too close..ever.

THRILLHO
THRILLHO - 9/3/2013, 12:55 AM
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 1:06 AM
@jimoakley666 O_O holy crap that's a brain fart...thanks, fixing it now!
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 1:19 AM
@francishates Totally agree.

I deal with small productions all the time, and I drive people crazy when I don't sign off on dailies, and force reshoots. because of this, I always say it's not completely the directors fault, not all the time. Producers get dailies. Whoever sat down and saw the playground scene in Daredevil and said "approve! Wrap it!" is the most at fault in my mind...lol

Sometimes it's also the reverse, where a producer makes the director continue shooting to get a different aspect he himself wants in the film.
Mephisto
Mephisto - 9/3/2013, 1:21 AM
Very good editorial, as usual.
nikgrid
nikgrid - 9/3/2013, 1:35 AM
Watchmen was great. Tank Girl was shit...but then again so was the comic...art was good though.
126thst
126thst - 9/3/2013, 1:38 AM
Never heard a single person complain the movie was too close to the comic. These articles are stupid and don't really capture the pulse of the comic community. It's gonna be a rough winter with no comic book movies to report on. LOTS of editorials.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 1:41 AM
@nikgrid you cut me deep man lol I have a weird love affair with that crazy movie - Tank Girl...it's just better not to ask.
BlackHulk
BlackHulk - 9/3/2013, 1:44 AM
Too close to comic book source material? Thats actually a good thing unless characters like the X-Men wore yellow spandex with blue speedos for costumes. But its a comic book movie!!! Imagine if the Lord of the Rings movies were all grounded in reality. They would look pretty damn silly.
Kyos
Kyos - 9/3/2013, 2:17 AM
"A good chunk of the films that took scrutiny for being so closely adapted to the source material were based on Frank Miller graphic novels, directed by Zack Snyder."

So we're talking about exactly 300 here? o_O
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 2:36 AM
@kyos when I fixed something before, I didn't go back a few paragraphs and correct it up there. It's corrected now. I had a brain fart and filtered Robert Rodriguez from my mind...
Geowolf
Geowolf - 9/3/2013, 2:38 AM
I don't have allot of complaints, just X3! The rest i swallow for the sake of entertainment.
GetsugaTensho22
GetsugaTensho22 - 9/3/2013, 2:39 AM
I never say i'm a comic fan anymore. Too much stigma attached to that term thanks to douchey idiotic fanboys.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 2:41 AM
@jediphilosopher it's definitely some disturbing reads. I liked it because it was crazy disturbing shit. The movie is more of a cult classic and kind of watered down, "so bad it's good!"
Darktower
Darktower - 9/3/2013, 2:43 AM
those who complain that CBM r to similar to comic books r just [frick]ing retarded !
WATCHMEN was a great CBM ! I dont knw y ppl complain about it!!
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 9/3/2013, 2:45 AM
Wouldnt put this in the top complaints about comic book movies, maybe it's the most common complaint about Watchmen.

Watchmen for me was a good movie, I don't think its the best CBM but I do find it interesting. I appreciate the Graphic Novel's role in the history of comics but it doesn't have any sentimental relevance for me. That being said I love watching CBMs with my non comic book reading friends and family to see how they experience them. Watchmen has blown a couple of them away and the worst response I've witnessed is "When is this movie going to start (By this point Roscharch had just gone to pay Manhattan and Spectre a visit).

To say Watchmen is too close to the comics is a valid complaint because the movie is not structured in the traditional way that CBMs are and thus can be quite off putting for some.

It's not that fans are never happy it's that one size does not fit all, and there a not only two extremes when it comes to CBMs. Films can be close to the comic like Sin City, use various elements like TDK Trilogy and the MCU or just flat out switch things up like Wanted. It's all dependent on how well that serves the film. If Batman Begins was 100% like Year One there would have been no big villain or set up for The League. On the other hand if Sin City was less like the comic it would have lost it's strong identity.

As for Punisher: Warzone what a crappy movie, it's not that it was like the comic it's that the creators equate violence to being like the comic: "it has over the top violence so it's faithful". No. That's like saying as long as there's technology you have a faithful Iron Man adaptation. Ray Stevenson was great but they butchered the story it was based on, if anything they should have been more faihtful to 'In the Beginning' and they would of had something great.

I've never heard of Hellboy being too close to the comics. Kroenen was turned into a ninja and Abe was turned into a psychic pushover. It worked for the movie but strangely Abe seems to get a pass from the fans when it comes to deviations from source material.

Being comic faithful has its place as does changing things up, as long as the director knows what they are doing and when to use each one. A limited series or Graphic Novel is great for staying source faithful as are the origin stories of Superheroes, however the greater the history of the characters the harder it is to stay "accurate".

Top complaints in general
-FOX
-Not enough action
-That's not how _______ is in the comics
-Grounded in reality
-Actor sucks
-Not my version of ....

This is not a top 5 complaint in my book though
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 9/3/2013, 2:55 AM
Bravo, Bravo. Great article as always.

I enjoy punisher warzone even though i dont take it seriously it is one of my guilty pleasures of mine. 300 too. I love watchmen though, even though i'm not a fan of the sex scene that transpired in the film.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 3:08 AM
@breakubatman it's more about commonality, not a top complaint, it was quite annoying during the release of the film, and I saw this argument every weekend at various events (I do a lot of conventions and panels).

I was more in shock that people would argue this particular topic. Watchmen was more of the hot button.

MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 9/3/2013, 3:15 AM
@JediPhilosopher, I just dont like sex scenes in films or in tv shows period. I just find them cringe worthy and off putting and awkward. That's just my personal opinion though.
titansupes
titansupes - 9/3/2013, 3:39 AM
These are excellent articles.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/3/2013, 4:11 AM
@titansupes thank you, I try.
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 9/3/2013, 5:07 AM
my only problem when they adapt something and it is too faithful is if the Director doesn't add his own little touch to the film. Like with Year One. It was a good movie, but there was never a silent moment to give us some time to think about the film. It was always talking cause they had narration throughout it. But in the Dark Knight Returns they cut the Narration and found a way to put some of the best lines in the dialogue. There were also musical touches and visual choices made in that film that were not in the original Graphic Novel and it made it feel like the director wasn't lazy and that he actually thought about the film when adapting it. Thats why i can't fault Snyder for making a "too faithful" adaptation. He switched up the squid monster for Dr. Manhattan and i think it worked well with the themes of both the movie and the book. He also added his Slow Mo touch, and had a few costume redesigns. He also made sure they animated the Tales of the Black Freighter which was awesome and they Filmed "under the hood" which was a documentary version of Hollis Masons book in the special features. It sticks incredibly close to the source while still letting the Director have some say in certain choices made throughout the film.
thedangle1
thedangle1 - 9/3/2013, 5:14 AM
Couple of things to say here; first, I don't know what everyone is complaining about Watchmen, or for those of you who are. I've read the entire thing (I have the trade paperback) and found it to be a great story. The best graphic novel ever made, as some say it is? Absolutely NOT!! But still a great comic. I thought the movie was great, didn't see anything wrong with casting or the way it was filmed. And what cracks me up is how die-hard blowholes are always complaining that when a comic gets made into a movie, it's not like the comic. Well, you got your wishes with this and STILL, some hated it. And it not being too realistic?? What about the new ending? I think that was a lot more realistic than a stupid, giant squid attacking NY. I'm all for changes from a comic to movie, and that one made sense. But as the saying goes...you can't please everybody.

As for The Crow, they made a lot of changes there. Eric and his girlfriend were killed on the side of the road when their car broke down and she was raped as well, then they were killed. The movie was more based on the comic rather than faithful to it. I've been reading comics for over 30 years and I'm not picky when it comes to some changes on the big screen. Like in the Dark Knight when Two-Face's origin was changed from acid to fire on his face. It made sense for that version. I was a little miffed about Bane's origin being changed around for TDKR, but it worked. But some fanboys go WAY too far and get WAY too picky. To end this post with one of my favorite quotes from the movie STRIPES with Bill Murray from SGT. Hulka...LIGHTEN UP, FRANCIS!!

LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/3/2013, 5:31 AM
Who the [frick] complained about Hellboy?
moonknightatl
moonknightatl - 9/3/2013, 5:45 AM
thedangle1: Let me respectfully disagree with you on one point. The Watchmen was generally faithful to the novel but my problem is the ending. I know this subject has been debated extensively but I don't understand why Snyder was 90% faithful and then changed the ending. The premise from the novel was that ozy wanted to galvanize humanity against a common enemy...the alien squid (even President Reagan discussed the idea of a common alien enemy). Using Dr. Manhattan, an American, as the enemy would have only galvanized the world against the USA. Instead of the alleged 'realistic' argument, Snyder should have been honest and acknowledged the CGI money limitation for the alien squid. instead of just showing us some naked leg, maybe Snyder should have gone the FULL MONTY!!

Otherwise I agree with your sentiments, I also generally don't mind changes to the big screen as long as they are faithful to the theme and philosophy of the original comic work... Tony Stark in middle east with terrorists instead of Vietnam, etc.
Kyos
Kyos - 9/3/2013, 6:41 AM
I agree with moonknightatl. The "threat" at the end of Watchmen should have definitely been alien. Not neccessarily the psychich shockwave emitting Squid itself, but alien nonetheless. Replacing the outside threat with Dr. Manhattan is a pretty big deal for the whole story. Besides that there were a lot of smaller things that were changed/added/replaced that bothered me, and while some of the casting choices were great, some were... not.

Still I do like what Zack Snyder gave us (I'm pretty much a fan of the guy, although all of his movies are flawed), especially in the extended cuts, and I'm willing to acknowledge that this was possibly the most faithful Watchmen adaptation anyone was willing to make, and had I not been familiar with the comic there's a good chance I would've absolutely loved the movie. I just can't accept people saying "it's exactly like the comic". It is not.
Philvis
Philvis - 9/3/2013, 7:20 AM

Other than too much 'artistic' license being taken sometimes by the writer/director, my biggest complaint is the lack of a real villain with real 'villainous' motives...I'm looking at you Marvel! I need some real evil motivation from these villains, and I'm just not getting it most of the time. With Spiderman, it's always a sad story about the villain being misunderstood. With the recent Marvel films, most thus far have only given 2 dimensional villains...they just haven't done a good job of showing how 'bad' they are. Red Skull is the epitomy of evil and in Captain America he was just a side character. Loki has been nothing but overrated. I just didn't feel a real threat from him or the Chitauri in the Avengers. The villains are just so...blah!

I've said it a million times and I'll say it again, what's keeping Marvel films from being great is their lack of a true villain. They've got great characters to work with, but just haven't delivered in my opinion
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