Roberto Orci And Alex Kurtzman Talk Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen And Star Trek

Roberto Orci And Alex Kurtzman Talk Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen And Star Trek

DarkHorizon.com just had a sit down with two of Hollywood's most successful Screenplay Writers in the business. Find out how Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman deal with the positive and negative reviews from the critics, and also what it's like to work with two of Hollywood's most successful directors.

By jman1977 - Jun 29, 2009 02:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Transformers
Source: DarkHorizon.com

DarkHorizon.com: How seriously do you take the good with the bad? I mean, Star Trek received over 90 percent rave reviews, while Transformers, not so much. Do you take it seriously? Do you ignore it? Why do you think this is?

Orci: We take it seriously, in as much as a real fact of a media blogosphere dialogue. And as its own phenomenon, that’s a fascinating thing to engage in one way or the other. We tend to separate that from what an audience feels. And we tend to go by the audience. You know, you always want to make sure that you don’t overlook a valid opinion that has something constructive to say, merely because it’s negative.

Kurtzman: Nobody can honestly say that they don’t care about reviews. Like, nobody. But we knew the minute we agreed to do Transformers 2 that these were gonna be the reviews, no matter what we came up with. And that’s just a fact of life that you accept going into it.

DarkHorizon.com: Let me ask you this. You’re working with two very, very filmmakers, with Abrams and Bay. And I’m just wondering when you’re working on a Bay film, what the different process is in writing a script, for a director who has very different visual sensibilities to somebody like J.J. Abrams?

Kurtzman: I mean, it’s a very different process. They’re very different directors. They look for very different things.

Orci: But part of that difference comes from the fact that they’re different franchises. They require different things.

Kurtzman: Yeah. That’s right.

Orci: You know, it’s not just that we’re writing for Michael Bay. We’re writing for Transformers. And Michael Bay is perfect for Transformers. And J.J. is perfect for Star Trek, because what Star Trek requires is something else. So, we tend to look at it as, the show is the boss. All of our boss. And we’re servicing that more than anything. You know, in terms of differences in the experience. Obviously, Transformers 2 was unique, in that it went down in the middle of the strike. We were writing the movie three months before it was about to be shot, therefore we were handing Michael pages that night. You know, every night, so they could be prepared. Which was different than Star Trek, where we had six leisurely months to go write two drafts.

DarkHorizon.com: Right. And Star Trek is very much a character-based film. I mean, you’re dealing with both iconic characters, but also you’re developing relationships in that particular movie. This one, you’re really creating, I guess, a lot of set pieces for Michael to work with. And I’m just wondering, how frustrating is it for you when you do have such limited time? And does that affect the final product, as screenwriters?

Orci: In terms of “frustrating,” we try to think of it as just an interesting challenge. I mean, putting together a movie of this size, coordinating with Michael and production and the military and Hasbro, is a fascinating thing to do. You know, we try to sort of learn and enjoy, and not be paralyzed by the fear of it. On the other hand, it’s not to say – it’s just a different experience, going off to write a script for six months, you know?

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LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/29/2009, 2:48 PM
Well KEV @!!!

Atleast you got blown by someone! ; D
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 6/29/2009, 3:00 PM
Those 2 have already stated that Bay basically took the script and made it a loose structure of the final movie..heres what the say about the Car Car twins over at C.H.U.D

"
It’s really hard for us to sit here and try to justify it.I think that would be very foolish, and if someone wants to be offended by it, it’s their right. We were very surprised when we saw it, too, and it’s a choice that was made. If anything, it just shows you that we don’t control every aspect of the movie."

No shit!
superdog
superdog - 6/29/2009, 3:04 PM
There's no question bay rewrote most of the script. There's no other explanation. I did not see any tribbles humping each other in star trek.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/29/2009, 3:18 PM
I saw WOLVERINE humping wannabe DEADPOOL! : D

BmanHall @ ; )

Oh cool, an AD for ROTF was on and a AD for the game! Game looks friggin' cool!
superdog
superdog - 6/29/2009, 3:22 PM
I agree about the game lee7777.... It's looks cool..... I wonder if the humping bull dog is a playable character. Or if you can play as wheelie and hump megans leg
TucsonRican
TucsonRican - 6/29/2009, 3:23 PM
Didn't Bay say he did some writing when the strike was on? I could have sworn I read that somewhere last summer...
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 6/29/2009, 3:31 PM
superdog your Bale posts on the RDJ article made me laugh heartily!

As for this, i actually imagine these 2 sitting down with Bay to discuss the script.

Bay: "Ok guys, im liking it so far. But see all this back and forth with Sam and his parents about Sam going to college that belongs in an American Pie movie?"

O and K: "Yes sir"

Bay: "Well i want you to put a scene with the 2 dogs humping in the middle of it"

O and K: "Um, ok..i guess we can do that"

Bay : "Great! And then when all the little gremlin appliances come to life and start wrecking thae place, show the dogs humping again!"

O and K: "Again? Are you sure Mr Bay, i mean it wasnt really funny the first time, and this is a kids movie"

Bay: "Of course im sure! These are my people and they find things humping hilarious just like me! God damnit, this is my movie and i want things to [frick]! Shia and Megan cant cos its for the kids, so something is [frick]ing in this movie!"

O and K: "Ok Ok, its in.."

Bay: Good! Then later on have Wheely hump Mikaela's leg..and have her enjoy it!"

O and K: " Mr bay, are you taking your medication?"

I bet that's exactly how it happened! Im a fly on the wall baby!
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/29/2009, 3:40 PM
: D
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/29/2009, 4:07 PM
Hey you forgot me KEV! ; D
Phinehas
Phinehas - 6/29/2009, 4:09 PM
I thought the movie was entertaining. The plot was a little more drawn out than the first. But it was bitter sweet because with the added complexity came the additional Bay-holes within the plot. So, I had to check my brains along with my .45 at the door. Flash, bang, boom, just like the Robot Chicken clip.

Keven, I appreciate your commentary. It brings balance to the room. Not so one sided.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 6/29/2009, 4:47 PM
Lol! : D
superdog
superdog - 6/29/2009, 5:03 PM
Everyone in this post seems to be on the same page. The humor was not that humorous and bay is resposible for it. And I like your bit ror, u fortunately I disagree with your premise. I doubt a conversation even took place. I believe he just did it and didn't even consult them
theboneman21
theboneman21 - 6/29/2009, 6:57 PM
Once again, a collection of wannabe Eberts getting their critique on.

And once again, it's infinitely amusing, watching people "critique" an industry whose entire basis is grown ups playing make believe.

Every movie is ridiculous, when it boils down to it - it's a fake world, presented by narcissists, being delivered by soulless meat sacks playing make believe.

It's really not that serious of a thing to take so seriously.

Enjoy the explosions and STFU.

Pretentious fools.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 6/29/2009, 7:07 PM
BAY DOESNT WRITE SCRIPT HE THROWS IN IDEAS AND THE REST HAPPENS ON THE FLY, IMPROVE, THE GUY FILMS LIKE HE'S ON SPEED..
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 6/29/2009, 7:08 PM
I MEAN IMPROV,

MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 6/29/2009, 7:08 PM
Soooo, all movie are shit is that what your saying?

"Every movie is ridiculous, when it boils down to it - it's a fake world, presented by narcissists, being delivered by soulless meat sacks playing make believe."

But we are being pretentious right? lmao. You people make me laugh you really do. When did saying something negative about a movie become such a frowned upon thing?

"Enjoy the explosions and STFU."

Yeah, your right! eat whats put in front of you, dont make ripples, how dare you actually expect some quality in a movie! Here , watch American Gladiators and keep your mouth shut.

Balls.


Improve/improv..hahah, a Freudian slip there Gunsmith?
superdog
superdog - 6/29/2009, 7:25 PM
bay is improve. and ror were back to the old discussion weve been having. heres a guy who says we shouldnt take movies so seriously, then he gets all pissed off and worked up cause we critized a movie. amazingly hipocritical. how bout this, enjoy the reviews and stfu. dont take them so seriously.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 6/29/2009, 8:19 PM
HONESTLLY I WAS ENTERTAINED, IT WASNT PERFECT BUT YOU KNOW I BET IF YOU WERE TO DIRECT SOMETHING HIGHLY CRITIQUED BY FANS,UNDER SERIOUS DEADLINE PRESSURES, LONG HOURS OF LOOKING AT CGI DAILIES,CRITICS TEARING YOU DOWN..YOUR KILLING MY CHILDHOOD YOUR KILLING MY CHILDHOOD, I WOULD HAVE FALLEN APART WITH HOW COMPLICATED AN EXTREMELLY PRESSURE RIDDEN TANSFORMERS IS ON ONE PERSON TO MAKE FLY
Phinehas
Phinehas - 6/29/2009, 9:56 PM
I think we were visited by a little god that just took a philosophy class. And now he knows all...
I think we've been told.
Macksimus
Macksimus - 6/29/2009, 10:28 PM
I agree with Keven...

I can't believe these guys also wrote Trek. I also can't believe they were just finishing writing the ROTF script, and then "handing it to Bay that night." WTF??? You'd think that more time and effort was put into writing these screenplays/stories.

It's like they just took some paper and pissed on it, and BAM!!! There's the new Transformers 2 screenplay/story LOL.

This is why I appreciate Jim Cameron; he puts alot of care, time, and effort into his movies even if that means not sleeping for a few days so he can iron out the kinks in a story in time for a studio deadline (Aliens).

Now, the Studios are willing to give him as much time as he needs because he is FREAKING JIM CAMERON (Avatar).

****ing Amateurs...
SHHH
SHHH - 6/29/2009, 10:38 PM
what they write and what makes to the big screen is 2 things.
theboneman21
theboneman21 - 6/30/2009, 2:17 AM
"Soooo, all movie are shit is that what your saying?"

Nope. I said ridiculous. Try to pay attention.

"But we are being pretentious right? lmao. You people make me laugh you really do. When did saying something negative about a movie become such a frowned upon thing?"

Nobody is frowning upon it. But going out of your way to dissect a presentation with a collection of self loathing fools playing make believe......well, there's a certain amount of insanity involved with that.


"Yeah, your right! eat whats put in front of you, dont make ripples, how dare you actually expect some quality in a movie! Here , watch American Gladiators and keep your mouth shut."

Or, perhaps just watch it if you want to. If you like it, great. If you don't, move along to the next one. Why waste time toiling in the bowels of thoughts centering on dislike when it comes to mentally ill meat puppets ?




theboneman21
theboneman21 - 6/30/2009, 2:28 AM
"bay is improve. and ror were back to the old discussion weve been having. heres a guy who says we shouldnt take movies so seriously, then he gets all pissed off and worked up cause we critized a movie. amazingly hipocritical. how bout this, enjoy the reviews and stfu. dont take them so seriously. "

Actually, HYPOCRITICAL would be if I then went and offered a critique of the movie myself.

FYI I am not pissed, I am amused. It makes me smile to know that we live in a world where "bloggers" are now considered members of the media.

So basically what we have here is people going to a Bay movie and complaining about the formula he has used all along.

Perhaps you'd like to go to a Britney Spears concert and complain that she lip syncs, or a Stones concert and complain that they play a set dominated by their hits.

It's a puppet show with damaged humans telling a story involving robots that turn into vehicles as presented by a guy who likes slo mo shots, panning camera shots and really shiny things blowing up - if that doesn't do it for you, don't watch it. It's actually pretty simple.
breakUbatman
breakUbatman - 6/30/2009, 3:57 AM
"So basically what we have here is people going to a Bay movie and complaining about the formula he has used all along.

Perhaps you'd like to go to a Britney Spears concert and complain that she lip syncs, or a Stones concert and complain that they play a set dominated by their hits."

Just because someone has a formula doesnt mean they should use it all the time. If i went into Terminator Salvation and McG use his Charlies Angel formula would I be wrong in being pissed? I dont think so

By your logic if people's views dont do it for you, don't read them. It's actually pretty simple.

theboneman21
theboneman21 - 6/30/2009, 4:44 AM
"Just because someone has a formula doesnt mean they should use it all the time. If i went into Terminator Salvation and McG use his Charlies Angel formula would I be wrong in being pissed? I dont think so

By your logic if people's views dont do it for you, don't read them. It's actually pretty simple. "

Apparently the formula works. If it ain't broke.....

Stick with what you know. Michael Bay is an action director. Leave the neurosis films to Woody Allen.

McG did use his CA formula in TS. And yes, you would be wrong in being pissed because you're a fool if you didn't consider it. You might as well complain that ACDC has made the same album over and over again since Back In Black.

And BTW - I am not interested in people's views. I am interested in watching people get bent out of shape about well known formulaic big screen make believe.

It's an interesting phenomenon - wannabe have nots, full of envy.

Go make some money so $ or time ceases to become an issue. Lower your expectations of this make believe industry.

And, most importantly, go make your own movies. This is the cinematic equivalent of armchair quarterbacking, so go make your own movies if these ones aren't doing it for you. You think it could be better - go show em how it's done.

Of course, I am curious to see how many will come back with the "resources" argument, in spite of the fact that the movie business is littered with overnight low budget success stories.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 6/30/2009, 5:21 AM
Sorry, all movies are ridiculous, my bad!

So your basically saying, that all opinions, comments and critiques of a movie are pointless since movies themselves are essentially all the same anyway, and that would make forums and websites like this completely pointless too right?

So why are you on here posting about anything? Your writing your condescending and completely misinformed(all movie are the same? Thats like saying you read one book youv read em all!) posts in an effort to what? Sway out thinking? Laugh at us? Whatever your reason, the fact that you clicked in here and created an account at all makes you a complete hypocrite.
theboneman21
theboneman21 - 6/30/2009, 6:31 AM
Ror - First off. English - learn it.

Second - I'd be hypocritical if I was critiquing the movie while lambasting you for doing it. I am not. Learn what it means or I'll have to start calling you Tyson.

Third - please provide the exact moment I said all movies were the same.

Fourth - My account was created LONG before this thread, amigo.

Fifth - I did not say they are pointless. I said it's hilarious since people are getting bent out of shape about projected make believe.

Sixth - make your own movies if you are unsatisfied with what others are putting out.

What have we learned today ? We have learned that, just like what happened when Alanis released the song "ironic", spawning a legion of morons who did not understand what I meant thus misused it at every turn, we now have some folks who toss around the word "hypocrite" who apparently do not know what it means.

Now run along Jay, continue your good fight against "the man" and enjoy your movie poop shoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAma3gBSmOM
theeambassador
theeambassador - 6/30/2009, 10:06 AM
bad is bad.is a review of a restaraunt more relevant because its a real world experience?when you do anything you expect something.true,it's all fake but that doesn't mean it has to suck.if everyone were truly logical we'd break life down, see it for what it's worth and kill ourselves because we're only gonna die anyway,right?so we go to these movies or read comic books or play videogames to get a brief respite from our everyday grind.while there,you want to enjoy yourself,and if you don't here's the perfect place to express what you felt in open engaging dialect with like minded people, which [frick]ing rocks!i dunno,you could try the mensa site because you'll hurt yourself trying to defend such highminded ideaologies on this site.and meat puppets...?the thing is we're not puppets,we dislike something and refuse to enjoy it for the mere fact it actually exists.and the whole do it yourself thing is played out,if i take my girl to dinner one night and it sucks should i build a restaraunt just to enjoy myself when i go out?
theeambassador
theeambassador - 6/30/2009, 10:55 AM
its cool to have your own opinion about ANYTHING and relevance shouldn't be a factor.here's the place to talk about your opinion.don't knock us for knocking something because now your just as bad as you perceive us to be.(painfree version)
theboneman21
theboneman21 - 6/30/2009, 11:19 AM
"bad is bad.is a review of a restaraunt more relevant because its a real world experience?"

Do movies give you food poisoning ?

"meat puppets...?the thing is we're not puppets,"

Terrific. Thing is, I wasn't calling you meat puppets. I was referring to these people known as actors. You know, the people who hate themselves so much they chose a life pretending to be anyone but themselves, dressing how others tell them, speaking what others write for them, dancing when told to dance. You know, meat puppets.

"and the whole do it yourself thing is played out,"

There's the other one. No, it's not played out. by saying it sucks, you are loosely implying you can do better. So go do better.

"if i take my girl to dinner one night and it sucks should i build a restaraunt just to enjoy myself when i go out? "

Do you go out to eat for every meal or do you actually cook once in a while ? I thought so. Try a different analogy.

P.S. Most of the great inventions/creations inspirations of the last century were a direct result of people not being satisfied with what they were given and going out and making their vision happen. But, this is a very different age of humanity we live in.
theboneman21
theboneman21 - 6/30/2009, 11:19 AM
"its cool to have your own opinion about ANYTHING and relevance shouldn't be a factor.here's the place to talk about your opinion.don't knock us for knocking something because now your just as bad as you perceive us to be.(painfree version) "

So go make it the way you think it should be.
ManhuntersBastardChild
ManhuntersBastardChild - 6/30/2009, 11:40 AM
theeambassador shares good info, guys! (s)he juxtaposes the ideas expressed by boneman and their logical conclusions (in a bid) to show their pretentious, elitist and ultimately unreasonable (and unrealistic) undertones. All we need to do is teach the "bassador" to throw in a space or two after each sentence and we're golden!


boneman, I am curious to know, do you think that actors are such sad people? Do you think it is possible to think of acting as an actual craft: making others imagine life otherwise better or worse (plainly different) than they actually are? Isn't imagination an extension of human creativity and isn't this valuable as a craft worth sharing with others?
theeambassador
theeambassador - 6/30/2009, 11:42 AM
well played sir.but if i engage in any activity i go in with expectations that i want met.when they aren't,i get upset.it's a human emotion.and if i want to be entertained, i don't think i should have to cosplay just to get it.i don't know about you, but some things are just better because all you have to do is enjoy them.when it sucks, i feel i can express myself.
"do movies give you food poisoning."
sure as hell felt like it my son.
theeambassador
theeambassador - 6/30/2009, 11:45 AM
thank you sir. gold lol.
theboneman21
theboneman21 - 6/30/2009, 11:57 AM
"boneman, I am curious to know, do you think that actors are such sad people? Do you think it is possible to think of acting as an actual craft: making others imagine life otherwise better or worse (plainly different) than they actually are? Isn't imagination an extension of human creativity and isn't this valuable as a craft worth sharing with others? "

LOL

I hope you're not serious.

Just look at the laundry list of trainwrecks and ask that again.

They are here to entertain. Nothing more. Jesters.
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