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Christian Bale Reluctantly Commits to Batman 3

When cornered by the press last July about doing Batman 3 without director Chris Nolan, Christian Bale said that he couldn’t “imagine doing this without Chris [Nolan],” and that he doesn’t “even want to consider” doing another film without Nolan. But it appears that Bale’s Lawyers have since explained that he has a contract.
The Dark Knight star now admits to Total Film that “The fact is, I have to! I’ve signed up! Chris doesn’t. So I’m in a bit of a fix if he says he doesn’t want to!” Nearly everyone expects for Nolan to do another Batman sequel after he finishes work on Inception, but Chris has still not committed to a third film. thankfully Warner Bros is being surprisingly patient with their franchise. It is good that they are, especially since Nolan created one of the highest earning films of all time.

Here is Bale's complete interview as posted on Total film's site:

"Heath winning Best Supporting Actor was fantastic. I had dinner with his family a couple of nights before the awards and liked very much they were the people who were picking it up for him. Of course I was really delighted that it did go that way.

“I’m not surprised by The Dark Knight not getting more Oscars though. I’m not really surprised by anything to do with awards. Hey listen, awards or not it’s a wonderful movie. Chris Nolan did such a fantastic job of it and you look back at the history of the Oscars – some of the best movies never got shit."

"Will we do a third movie? It's got to be the right story. You can't make something like The Dark Knight and then come out with something disappointing.

"I would like it if people say, 'You'll never make a good third movie.' I say, 'OK, let's make a third movie in that case, let's prove them wrong. But that's just me. The fact is, I have to! I've signed up! Chris doesn't. So I'm in a bit of a fix if he says he doesn't want to!"

“With technology, there’s a balance with everything. In The Dark Knight, the triangulation and the mobile phones, when Batman asks Lucius to use it, Lucius says, ‘After this I will quit. I will not have anything to do with this.’

“It’s like the eavesdropping, the illegal wire tapping going on at the NSA. There are limits… It is technology. But as with anything, it should all be in moderation…”
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THEHAWK
4/28/2009
Slashfilm

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63 Comments

I wonder if Lucious will come back. He's kinda my favorite character (oddly enough). I mean, they kinda set it up so he could. By typing in his name, the machine broke, leading me to believe that by breaking it, it no longer "remains" at Wayne Enterprises. But they probably left it open like that on purpose.
ManOfIron - 4/28/2009, 3:16 PM
This doesn't surprise me one bit. I knew he would have to star in a 3rd one.
akthunder - 4/28/2009, 3:16 PM
ManOfIron.. I agree about Lucious... Any role that Morgan Freeman plays... He almost always does a kick @$$ job at it & it's often hard for him not to steal the show...
Pumchavas28 - 4/28/2009, 3:21 PM
At least we are guaranteed some greatness in the third movie with Bale. Bale is the perfect Batman. Without Nolan would be terrible. It would be the same thing having Nolan and no Bale. You need peanut butter and jelly to make a BD&J not just just the J.
WisconsinCharm - 4/28/2009, 3:24 PM
everyone will be back nolan too, he'll finish off the trilogy and then hand batman off to someone else

dellamorte1872 - 4/28/2009, 3:58 PM
Luscious said that as long as that computer was at Wayne Enterprise, he wouldn't be. The password he entered after he finished with it destroyed the computer.
TheMyth - 4/28/2009, 4:12 PM
Hawk, I don't understand the last two quotes in connection to the article or Bale's comments. Could you elaborate or explain?
Phinehas - 4/28/2009, 4:12 PM
oh whatever. i never believed that he would not do batman 3. he also said he would not do one with robin it it. i bet he would. anyway maybe they can get arnold in it.


grif - 4/28/2009, 4:22 PM
Grif, you absolutely slay me! ROFLOL
Phinehas - 4/28/2009, 4:24 PM
TheMyth you just repeated what i said lol i swear if Lucious gets "technical" and says "Well it may be broken but it's still laying in the basement so i'm not staying" I will pop a cap in a toaster! I'll do it too! Beware you damn dirty toasters!
ManOfIron - 4/28/2009, 4:39 PM
@Phin. I'm not to sure myself, but I believe Bale is saying that they shouldn't over play the tech in the new movie, maybe to keep it realistic
THEHAWK - 4/28/2009, 4:47 PM
BATS is on the run! LUSCIOUS is gone! No Tech! I kinda like that!!! We want it fresh right????
LEEE777 - 4/28/2009, 4:56 PM
alright guys, letS all say the 3rd movie is gona suck! so it gives them motivation to make an even better movie than TDK lol. ITS GONAAA SSUUCCCKKKKK!
HopOff718 - 4/28/2009, 4:58 PM
yeah...I can see why he's reluctant...i don't see how you can top the Dark Knight
davidzuck - 4/28/2009, 5:46 PM
Matrix Revolutions

Revenge of the Sith

POTC At World's End

Spiderman-3


PLEAZE NOLAN!! BREAK THE SUCKY THIRD MOVIE CURSE!!!
TheSoulEater - 4/28/2009, 6:06 PM
I thought Revenge of the sith and Matrix revolutions were good movies. Revenge of the sith was the best of the 3 prequels and MAtrix rev. was better than reloaded, not so much the first one. IMHO
WisconsinCharm - 4/28/2009, 6:18 PM
Revenge of the Sith!?! That movie is easily the best of the three Star Wars prequels. Of course that's like saying you're the smartest kid on the short bus:)
alten2345 - 4/28/2009, 6:19 PM
Im sure he will do another one..hes just being coy about it because, well as great a director as he is, he seems like a bit of a tosser to be honest!
Rorschach01 - 4/28/2009, 6:52 PM
I really liked luscious and the techy "Q" eliment he brought to Batman. However, I really like the way the series left off. With Batman on the run and without his tech hook-up. The thrid has the potential to make the dark series even grittier...so as much as like the character, I'm ok with luscious not coming back.
gestlmutant - 4/28/2009, 6:53 PM
I'm not ok with that?!!! Morgan freeman is a G that guy makes shitty movies good. And rhas hard to do. He was like a robin it was perfect he added that sidekick aura without being one. And that's cool so anyone agree?
SdProphet - 4/28/2009, 7:02 PM
is freeman even in any condition to make any movies anymore? i never heard if he got out of the hospital or what was going on.
randyjohn - 4/28/2009, 7:27 PM
The only problem I have is with the 3rd one is what will make it different then the first two I mean from the comment I read so far people want things to go backwards no more tech no batsuit just realistic Crap I mean that the problem I had with the 2nd one there was no character development for Batman in fact they made him less Batman by not meanting his mom and dad.

That the problem with these new batman movie they make batman weak
Supermike - 4/28/2009, 7:32 PM
guys trust nolan he will come back and he will make a awesom third batman film and i honstly hope they kinda don't do robin
dogchasingcars - 4/28/2009, 7:36 PM
If they do Robin in needs to be Frank Millers Robin..an actual 13 year old kid thats just as confused and dangerous as Batman was/is..and isnt treated like some little brother or spoilt brat by Batman, hes trained and treated like a soldier. By the end of it he should be able to paint himself yellow and kick the shit out of Green Lantern!
Rorschach01 - 4/28/2009, 7:50 PM
ROBIN MADE BATMAN CARE,YEAH DONT PUT ROBIN, MAYBE FOR A STINT AND NOT PERMANENT..HAVE THE JOKER KILL HIM WITH A CROBAR..SOMETHING REAL. I WANNA SEE CATWOMAN..RIDDLER
GUNSMITH - 4/28/2009, 8:30 PM
or now that i think about it make robin in it but then have him become nightwing
dogchasingcars - 4/28/2009, 8:45 PM
Why do you guys think there will be no tech, and no Luscios in the third movie? Luscios still works for billionaire Bruce Wayne, he never worked for Batman, so Batman's criminal status is irrelevant. Bruce gave Luscious what he wanted, so there is no reason to think that their relationship has soured.
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What do you guys think about David Spade as the Mad Hatter?
HarrisonBergeron - 4/28/2009, 8:45 PM
I'm with Ror 100%. I just can't think of a single person who would be fit to play Robin.

I noticed that in some of Alex Ross's paintings, Robin looks a lot like Daniel Radcliffe, but I'm about as uncomfortable with Harry Potter as Robin as any of you are.
2leftarms - 4/28/2009, 9:08 PM
i don't know maybe radcliffe could pull of robin you never can tell these days i mean look a ledger no one thought he could pull off joker and he did it the only one who has really complained about ledger' preformance as the clown prince of crime has been supermike
dogchasingcars - 4/28/2009, 9:34 PM
Shia Lebouf as Robin/ Nightwing.
THEHAWK - 4/28/2009, 9:41 PM
sorry Hawk usually i agree with you on stuff like this but no dice this time man i don't see lebouf as the boy wonder, he is too goofy to play robin
dogchasingcars - 4/28/2009, 9:52 PM
First of all I just want to say that I really like batman as a character, especially when he's dark and mysterious. I really liked batman 1989 because it had that dark, serious tone to it. Then after that the sequels started getting stupid. Especially when they got to Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. They started adding in that dumb adam west shit back into it. That was dissapointing.
Then I started hearing about a new movie that was going to come out called Batman Begins where they were going to tell the story of Bruce Wayne before he became Batman, a story I know very well and like. Most importantly they were bringing that dark mysterious quality back into batman that batman movies hadn't seen for years. I was very excited about this and then I saw it. That movie, aside from ang lee's hulk and spider-man 3, was one of the biggest dissapointments in movies that I've ever seen. I've watched it over and over again, trying to figure out why I didn't like it, and it didn't make sense. I mean it was dark, realistic and was factually correct to the comics.(Something that a lot of superhero movies don't seem to get quite right these days.) Yet dipite all these good qualities that would normally make a real batman movie good, it didn't really feel good. And this isn't only me who thinks this. I've asked a lot of people how they trully felt about Batman Begins and about half of them said they didn't really care for it.
I still don't get it. It's like they got all the facts down perfectly for the movie and it was heading in the right direction, but it didn't feel like it was actually about batman. The movie made batman out like he was this dark, and serious force to be reckoned with yet at times he came off as this bumbling fool who made such stupid mistakes that the real batman, even when he was first starting out, would have never made. I understand that the movie guys were trying to make batman realistic in an attempt to bring him down to a human level that people could connect with, but that's not really batman.
The second movie wasn't good either. I liked it more only because of the joker, but other than him it still had that horendous, fake, outlandish realism to it that I can't stand. But, what can I say. Usually when I start talking like this it seems like no one's really listening to me, then they come back at me and say something like "Well obviously you're wrong because box office records with the dark knight were higher than any other movie." and you know what? They're right. People did like those movies. Box office records are a testament to that. But you know what else. People as a whole are goddamn, [frick]n' retards who can't discen what's actually good and what's not. It doesn't matter what other people say. Those movies were just absolutely terrible and I know I'm right.
DeadleDeadle - 4/28/2009, 10:45 PM
well deadledeadle i don't know what to tell you man i am not going to bash you for not liking a movie but i can't seem to place my finger on why you dislike it. i thought it was a good movie. i felt batman begins had that realism and dark serious force to it that the two prior batman movies before it lacked. i however do think that your idea that bruce wayne in his first year as the dark knight wouldn't make the bumbling mistakes that you say you couldn't see batman doing. even if you have training in martial arts your going to make a mistake somewhere it is human nature to do this and even though batman is a symbol he is still human that is one of the true points of batman begins and the dark knight to prove that batman is still human and he is on the road to change and to become the legendary batman we all know and love. i applaude to the "thats my story and i am sticking to it idea" that you have do i still think that your wrong i do but i do applaude your belief in what you thinks is right.
dogchasingcars - 4/28/2009, 11:04 PM
deadledeadle, your opinion that the movies were absolutely terrible is fine. You didn't like them. it's a subjective thing. However, you don't get to say that as an absolute truth those movies were awful, and anybody who thinks they were good is a retard and expect people to respond positively. In fact your entire monologue was well written and thought out to that point. After that its just gets insulting.
killawee - 4/28/2009, 11:15 PM
Hawk?!? how dare you! honestly!!!! @ROR-01 FMILLERS Robin was the best , not cuz she was a chick .... no , because as a one off she is as unforgettable as any robin in history! my favorite by far. you are back Ror ! yer back baby, YEAH!!!!
shibazz - 4/28/2009, 11:30 PM
i think Bale was signed for 3 or 4 movies and a superhero cross over movie (justice league). This was posted a while back
ottoevans - 4/29/2009, 12:45 AM
Wow, Nolan better do this movie.

Why is the guy being such a puss about this.

Show people your greatness. Show them that you can make another-even more successful-Batman movie.

That's the problem with Hollywood these days. All of these directors are AFRAID to try something new. That's why every new movie that comes out is a REMAKE of another movie.

PATHETIC.

MAN UP Nolan, and make my Batman 3.
Macksimus - 4/29/2009, 1:22 AM
it is ridiculous for him to say "if the same director is in, i am in" as every actor says when asked for any possible given sequel.. since he is already signed.

This is what happens when they repeat what their agents tell them to say but at the same time contradicting themselves.
SirJediFrank - 4/29/2009, 6:35 AM
"The smartest kid on the short bus" ...BOUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

...AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... ahhaha... ha... hm... *tear*

DeadleDeadle- I for one loved those movies and i'm hardly a retard. I can think for myself as i absolutely loved Affleck's Daredevil and Stalone's Judge Dredd regardless what the "majority" thinks of them. And it is pretty retarded of you to think that just because you differ from the rest of society, that it's "their" fault and then try to call them all retards to somehow make you look "smarter"... You know, there IS a reason why the short bus is ..well... short. Cause there are actually fewer of you.

Having said that, i do have to agree on one point that you made:

"The movie made batman out like he was this dark, and serious force to be reckoned with yet at times he came off as this bumbling fool who made such stupid mistakes that the real batman, even when he was first starting out, would have never made."

You are correct in saying that because Bruce underwent what Nolan and Goyer strenously attempted to make us believe that it was to be the most excruciating training known to man which is the art of ninjitsu. Not only did he pass with flying colors but he succeeded in becoming the very best that the clan ever had and wanted him to lead the league of shadows. And then, later on when he put on his outfit, he looked like the peper spray can blazing "Shadow Hare" having no more training than what a green belt at Billy Ray Bob Jimmy Joe "hapkido" class would offer. So... yeah, that was a fail but the rest of the movie was fine. He got better at it and moved on. As should you. No movie is perfect.

Now, on to the topic at hand... SCREW BALE for "Reluctantly Committing" to make a third one. Yes he's good. NO he's not a must!!! This shitty attitude actually shows on screen and it is the reason why i feel his version of Batman will never be as good as Keaton's. Yes his batman movies are great but imo, Keaton's 89 Batman movie was the very BEST!!! I know, i know, TDK is the most profitable movie ever in comic book history. But watch it again and notice just how little it had to do with BATMAN. The movie should have been called "Gotham". Even so, in no way does it make TDK "absolutely terrible" as our special friend said but just not the best IMO. I thouroughly enjoyed every second of it but i'm man enough to admit that i liked the 89 version much much more.
Shaman - 4/29/2009, 7:27 AM
What were those mistakes Batman would never do?
Frank Garret - 4/29/2009, 7:39 AM
i loved the new batman movies, i'll be honest first few times i watched begins i thought it was quite boring, but everytime i watch it seems better. Third film i'd like to see a fully kitted out batcave, a smaller batmobile (the tumbler thing def didn't do it for me, way too much), and a smoother suit, think i actually prefared the one in begins with the big neck, think he looked the part, the second one had too many bits to it, dont think it looked too great.

Yeh, what were the mistakes?
EvilEd2000 - 4/29/2009, 8:01 AM
I dont think its fair to say screw Bale for wanting Nolan back on board! Hes not reluctantly committing because he doesnt want to play the role again, its because he wants the director that brought him to the dance along side him. And hes right. Any other director wouldnt stand a chance of making a 3rd movie even half as good as TDK..not even because theres nobody better than Nolan, but because its too soon after. Nolan has stamped his unique style all over these movies so it has to be him to complete this trilogy. If the maybe waited 5 years or so id say fine let someone else make a stab at it.
Rorschach01 - 4/29/2009, 8:40 AM
I'm all for it
1. Main villain Hugo Strange
2. Talia
3. Bring back Morgan Freeman
4. The Mansions done, and new Batmobile
5. Gotham has to look much darker
6. No Robin unless it's an introduction towards the end and Alfred is the one who Adopts Dick
7. Catwoman gets caught stealing some shit

I'm done
thwip284 - 4/29/2009, 8:49 AM
Rorschach01- True, good point. I only wanted to state that he like Samuel J is replaceable. I understand why he wouldn't "want" to do it without Nolan but i would've put it in other words. I would've said "i'd prefer doing it with Nolan but i can't wait to get back in the suit." This guy is on the record saying that he won't do batman if robin is in there and now he's saying he has "NO CHOICE" of doing it because he has a contract but wouldn't do it otherwise if Nolan wasn't on board. I hate his attitude. To me, he's made himself unworthy of dawning the cape and cowl. Yes i'm anal about the stuff i care about. I can't believe people were against me on my editorial when i said he wasn't very "enthusiastic" about this role. Does this sound like an actor that is enthusiastic? Hell no. He just proved it. He's still good at what he does, but IMO the role deserves better than that.

The mistakes he made in Batman Begins as a cluts:

- Being noticed leaving Gordon's office up a fire escape.

- Being noticed by a kid when he tried to spy on Scarecrow.

- Being so quickly dealt with in the appartment by scarecrow. Very un-ninja like.

- Calling alfred for help after being dosed with fear-gas. The same fear gas that he had mastered in the himalayas. Okay, so it was a stronger dose. Still i felt he cried for Alfy a little early there.

So yeah, these are "rookie" mistakes. Not "master ninja" mistakes.

And don't get me wrong with my statements, i still LOVED the movie :)
Shaman - 4/29/2009, 9:19 AM
Deadlex2: i kind of agree with you in the fact that, the most Nolan tried to make batman closer to reality, the far he made it to the "real" batman... as Shaman says, TDK is a good movie, very good one, but IMO, the scene where he jumped a building in Hong Kong or whatever to land in the guy´s office i felt like: WTH is this?

The same scene was in B Begins, when he planned and landed before Rah´s and a couple of ninjas... that has NOTHING to do comparing the BEAUTIFUL scenes in Batman 89 where he actually used his rope EVERYTIME he needed to land on something... in fact i think batman only used the batrope once in BB, when he catched that corrupt fat cop (can´t remember his name,damn it!) and climbed him heads down from the rooftop, but that was an actual comic-panel i think from The Long Halloween.

The mobile-phone thing in TDK was interesting the first 5 minutes of it, and even it was cool Lucious guided him until the exact location of the joker, BUT AFTER THAT it was sooooooooo funny/stupid when he said: "tO YOUR RIGHT!", "WATCH OUT, TO YOUR LEFT!" hahahah i said like: WTF!
I swear i almost shout in the theater to say: " Batman, god damn it, just take out those damn goggles and see for yourself!" I mean, the goal was to reach that building-floor.. then it should be dark and let batman find joker by himself.. JUST LIKE BURTON´S FINAL BATTLE IN THE TOP OF THE CHURCH... the joker´s laugher, a few hechmen.. hell, if Nolan didn´t want to imitate Burton´s, i understand, but why in Bob Kane´s name did it get to a feakin´ cell phone -Role playing-real time-battle?

SirJediFrank - 4/29/2009, 9:29 AM
Deadlex2: i kind of agree with you in the fact that, the most Nolan tried to make batman closer to reality, the far he made it to the "real" batman... as Shaman says, TDK is a good movie, very good one, but IMO, the scene where he jumped a building in Hong Kong or whatever to land in the guy´s office i felt like: WTH is this?

The same scene was in B Begins, when he planned and landed before Rah´s and a couple of ninjas... that has NOTHING to do comparing the BEAUTIFUL scenes in Batman 89 where he actually used his rope EVERYTIME he needed to land on something... in fact i think batman only used the batrope once in BB, when he catched that corrupt fat cop (can´t remember his name,damn it!) and climbed him heads down from the rooftop, but that was an actual comic-panel i think from The Long Halloween.

The mobile-phone thing in TDK was interesting the first 5 minutes of it, and even it was cool Lucious guided him until the exact location of the joker, BUT AFTER THAT it was sooooooooo funny/stupid when he said: "tO YOUR RIGHT!", "WATCH OUT, TO YOUR LEFT!" hahahah i said like: WTF!
I swear i almost shout in the theater to say: " Batman, god damn it, just take out those damn goggles and see for yourself!" I mean, the goal was to reach that building-floor.. then it should be dark and let batman find joker by himself.. JUST LIKE BURTON´S FINAL BATTLE IN THE TOP OF THE CHURCH... the joker´s laugher, a few hechmen.. hell, if Nolan didn´t want to imitate Burton´s, i understand, but why in Bob Kane´s name did it get to a feakin´ cell phone -Role playing-real time-battle?

SirJediFrank - 4/29/2009, 9:30 AM
Nolan=success, that's why Bale is doing all this a$$ kissing.

It is not complicated to turn around the events of TDK. Nolan will prevail.
Inohaku - 4/29/2009, 9:39 AM
Shaman, those are hardly mistakes that the comic Batman never did

In Year One, he gets beat up by a bunch of pimps and street thugs, and on another occasion, a bunch of petty thieves robbing a TV almost kill him
Frank Garret - 4/29/2009, 9:56 AM
I honestly don't get the "3rd installment" curse. Since when are the third movies the bad ones? I mean, look at what some of the third ones are...


Star Wars: Return of the Jedi. AWESOME, best of the three.

Rocky III, loved it. Granted, Mr. T made the fight choreography kind of weak, but being trained by Apollo in the black gym and on the beach... that was tight.

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade rocked. Sean Connery was the friggin' man.

Can we keep going with this?


I think as long as the first sequel does well, any third film would be successful as well. The directors and actors just have to have a commitment to the roles. And as we've seen, the Dark Knight did great, and the hype is so up for the next one that people are talking about it years before it will come out. So, all the ingredients for a successful film are there, besides Nolan who WILL sign on.

bobbyjones6969 - 4/29/2009, 9:59 AM
bobbyjones6969- I agree with you entirely.

Frank Garret- I think i have "year one" and i don't recal him going through the same training as he did in Batman Begins. Like i said, those mistakes are "rookie" mistakes, not "master ninja" mistakes. So the question is, which is the mistake? Is it his failures in his first encounters? Or was it the training that was unrealistically played out? Either way, imo, to have both in the same movie is the biggest mistake. So maybe the "comic book" batman would have done those mistakes because he hasn't recieved the out of this world training that Bruce did in the movie.
Shaman - 4/29/2009, 10:22 AM
Thanks, Shaman. Finally some recognition by a veteran comicbookmovie sitemember!
bobbyjones6969 - 4/29/2009, 10:44 AM
I'm glad Bale is back, but I wouldn't be that disappointed if Nolan didn't come back. I want a Batman movie that features some of his more fantastic characters like Manbat, Clayface or the Demon.
kirbyfan - 4/29/2009, 11:54 AM
bobbyjones

I would have to say that Jedi, while great (especially compared to the prequels) is not the best. Empire Strikes Back is the best of the three. Unless you have a thing for Teddy Bears. Rocky III was good, but that series got progressively worse with each sequel. The Last Crusade was good too, but was my least favorite until Crystal skull buried the franchise. You gave some good examples for 3rd installment success, but it is few and far between. For every Jedi, there are five Spiderman 3s.

Shaman

You are correct about the rookie mistakes in BB. I would agree with all but the apartment scene. He was fighting multiple people and Scarecrow got a cheap one in. He called Alfred because he was in some serious trouble, no one doused him with gas and set him on fire in the Himalayas.
BillyBlack - 4/29/2009, 1:48 PM
F*ck's sake, you amateur...

;)
Jetsaholic - 4/29/2009, 2:16 PM
Personally, I'd like to see a lesser known villain used in the movie. Someone to give Batman a different sort of foe. I wrote this a while back and it is one way they could introduce a lesser known villain check it out if you want.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ChroniclesofMoeniaArcis/news/?a=6927

I also wouldn't mind a modern interpretation of the Riddler

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/OnlyZodKnowsWhy/news/?a=7030

let me know what you think.

HAWK out
THEHAWK - 4/29/2009, 2:17 PM
master ninja does not mean invincible. also, a ninja is only effective if he keeps the element of surprise. invisibility is not a sure thing and the fact that he was caught unawares at times makes him all the more human and makes this movie plausible in the real world. saying that these mistakes don't jive with his training is like saying training as a ninja for a few years will make you superhuman, which is what a good batman writer/director will want to avoid. batman's mistakes and errors are what seperates him from the likes of superman, what makes him human. while you're at it why don't you criticise keaton's batman when he gets shot out of his plane with a pistol after missing a still-standing joker with rockets and machine gun...
roadkill - 4/30/2009, 3:24 AM
BillyBlack- It was raining outside and after rolling around in the gutter, he got rid of the fire. As for the gas, since HE DID have to master it in his training, i would've thought him capable to deal with it until he got to the cave.

roadkill- "master ninja does not mean invincible" but it means "prepared" for the unexpected at all times. If you followed his training at the begining, he learned "the hard way" that you never sacrifice your footing for a killing blow. That in lamens terms could be translated as "you never attack unless you can immerge victorious and above all ALIVE". A rookie would've attacked without having calculated every possible outcome, NOT a master ninja. A master ninja never NEEDS to be invincible.

As for the scene in Keaton's Batman, if you missed what happened there, i'll elaborate for you. Batman bluffed (not having the balls to kill since he despises the act) and Joker called it! Brilliantly I might add. They even shamefully replicated the scene in TDK when they played chicken! And at the slow speed that his 1989 batwing flew, it was a sitting duck to Joker's blow. THAT was a perfect scene IMO. It's not like he had the "choice" compared to BB where he "owned" the situation and dropped the ball. Hell, even DWIGHT in SIN CITY did better in the "shelly's appartment scene". That's exactly how it would have gone down. Taking one guy at a time without anyone seeing him. At the arkham basement scene he was able to achieve that OUT IN THE OPEN!!!! The appartment was way darker and offered much more opportunity than the basement scene did. So THAT was a flaw.
Shaman - 4/30/2009, 5:58 AM
Point taken Shaman

I understand about the fear gas, I was actually referring to being doused with gasoline. While the rain and puddles eventually put him out (after a 3 story face plant never the less) I could see him being disoriented and in severe pain. Not sure that his suit gave him much protection against heat and fire (or a strong acid trip). Also, you might even say that he learned his lesson in the apartment, which is why he was so much more effective in the Arkham basement. Plus, there was much more room to operate in the basement v. apartment. Not saying you're wrong at all, just a different point of view.

And since you brought up Keaton's Batman and the batwing. If you really wanna talk about MAJOR FLAWS, what is the one thing Batman despises most? Some would say more than killing? Guns. Why did Keaton's batwing have guns on it? Very Un-Batman. IMO that's a bigger flaw than Nolan ever committed in BB.
BillyBlack - 4/30/2009, 9:59 AM
In the earliest treatment of Batman in the Bob Kane comics he actually brandished a piece. It wasn't until much later (The 70's I think) that they delved deeper into his character's foundation and worked the "no gun" aspect into the story.
Phinehas - 4/30/2009, 9:08 PM
although i enjoyed both batman movies to a certain extent, i didnt like the "realism" in Nolans vision, i mean all of the bat villians are kinda over the top any way. The Joker should have been PALE fron head to toe that warpaint crap ruined the image 4 me. Ledger though was great, he earned that oscar. I dont want riddler, or penguin in the next one. ME? bring on a supernatural elemant how bout SOLOMON GRUNDY, MAN BAT, OR CLAY FACE.
10THTIGER - 4/30/2009, 10:23 PM
Bale is spot on with his comments on the situation.
Why should he be excited to do the sequel without Nolan.
Nolan, along with perfect casting/performances, redefined the flailing Batman films, and might have even set the bar for all future comic-based film adaptations.

Do you think Bale would've been happy with the Burton to Schumacher directing transition from Returns/Forever?
No.

The entire cast/production unit will be back for the next installent. They don't want to pulla katie Holmes.

As for possible villains of course it will be tough to top Ledger), I think the Black Mask could fill in as the new gotham mob boss and employ other villains like the Mad Hatter and Catwoman.
Dub0ner - 5/4/2009, 2:28 PM
Daniel Day Lewis as Mr. Freeze......... that might top ledger
ikillzombies - 5/17/2009, 1:47 PM
10thTiger's got the right idea! We need to balance out the "realism" with some supernatural elements. I'd love to see Man-Bat in a Jeckyll/Hyde type story! And Killer Croc! Both of these in some SciFi Mad scientist and Mutants angle! Maybe balance it out with an unlikely love story with a sociopathic partygal working at Wayne Industries who moonlights as a jewel theif Catwoman. And then further complicate Bats' personal life with the unexpected added responsibility of an orphan ward named Dick Grayson assigned to his estate. How bad could it be?
Lostinnerspace - 7/7/2009, 11:21 PM

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