Should The Venom Spin-Off Film Be A Reboot?

Ozymandias speaks out and asks the CBM users if they think the spin-off should be a reboot!

Unlike most people I liked Spiderman 3 and I still want Topher Grace to reprise the role in the Venom spin-off. Sure he wasnt the best Venom but I think he did a pretty good job and deserves another chance. Now on to the discussion. We all know that they are making a Venom spinoff film. BUT should it follow Spiderman 3?OR be a reboot?

Well here are the options:

1.Reboot-Ever since I heard about the Deadpool spin-off being a reboot of the character from Wolverine Ive been wondering if they could do the same thing to the Venom movie. Whether they would recast the role or not I dont know but they could start the character over and retell his origin,as well as put Carnage in it. We already know that he will be a anti-hero in the film so he would be defending the innocent instead of being a villain. Now personally I would hate it if it ignored the third Spiderman film but I think this might be the better way to go and reboot the character and make him way better then the last sad attempt. However it could confuse audiences more and create more problems in the script.Now on to the next option.

2.Follow Spiderman 3-As we all know Venom was killed at the end when Spiderman threw a pumpkin bomb into the symbiote. Eddie Brock was also killed. Now this would be even harder to get down because the only thing thats left is a sample of the symbiote that Dr. Conners has BUT they could bring back Venom and maybe even have Spiderman cameo. Sure, he got destroyed but show a small part of the symbiote that was attached to Eddie Brock survived and it somehow grows back into Venom and Eddie Brock is still alive. I know it sounds a little weird but that is a way. Personally I want the spin-off to follow the events of Spiderman 3 as it would kind of make more sense to audiences and fans also but the screenwriters would have to come up with a brilliant idea on how Venom survived.

Well those are the options but now it is time to VOTE!!!

I will announce the winning results in a week.

Please comment on what you think below.

Ozymandias
10/31/2009

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118 Comments

	WTF??? How are you getting your POLLS on main lol??? And it should follow on, but be a reboot, no origin!! VENOM went somewhere!! SONY wont do a complete reboot anyway. LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 3:29 PM
	So i cant vote bud??! It will be a reboot, have nothing to do with SPIDEY but it will carry on from what happened in SPIDEY 3! You should put another vote up for that! ; D Seriously dude, i liked your other VENOM POLL better! : D LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 3:31 PM
	Reboot that sht. InTylerWeTrust82* - 10/31/2009, 3:31 PM
	it should follow spiderman 3 ComicFreak11 - 10/31/2009, 3:35 PM
	Wow! I never meant for this to get on the front page! Thanks CBM and whoever put this on the front page! @LEEE777:I had this in Editorials but I guess CBM moved it to the front page. Also vote for following Spidey 3 because it wouldnt have nothing to do with Spiderman at all. Ozymandias - 10/31/2009, 3:42 PM
	follow spiderman 3!!!! rebooted movies and women in hollywood......pfffft. enough!! phenomenon - 10/31/2009, 3:45 PM
	I liked spidy 3 too!!! phenomenon - 10/31/2009, 3:45 PM
	Since we don't have any definitive proof that Eddie died at the end, I think they could work it so that he just fell off the building and landed on some sand or something. And they should use this as an opportunity to have Carnage, that way they won't have to ham fist it into a Spidey movie. But I do agree on the idea of recasting Venom, though. MovieTheaterLad - 10/31/2009, 3:48 PM
	what is the point in a re-boot and at the same time have it nothing to do with spiderman in it yea lets have a spidey villian have nothing to do with spiderman..even tho the whole look of venom is based on the spidey costume..a re-boot sounds stupid and for sum strange reason i kinda like eric formen playin brock, he kinda looks like an evil peter parker so in a movie that works i guesse. itz gunna b damn hard 2 explain why eddie brock came back. I duno i love venom but i feel like a re-boot will make no sense and as it was said before will confuse people who ain die hard comic fans like the rest of us cuz u know those are the people that make up for most of the money made in cinema's so u can say re-boot that st all you like and i just say why? to satisfy the die hard fans...we make up a small fraction my friend..it has 2 kinda make sense TheLivingWeapon** - 10/31/2009, 3:50 PM
	hey guys been so busy with work haven't posted in a while hey GAMBITDONKEYPUNCH@ nice avatar pic! but please get a new one thank you! and FAD dame you i was single for a long time then i got married then you show up! lol your very pretty but my wife is hotter! gambitfreak - 10/31/2009, 3:52 PM
	basicly i dunno if a venom stand alone movie is gunna work..but i'll cross my fingers and hope it does TheLivingWeapon - 10/31/2009, 3:54 PM
	Why reboot? Because: 1. Venom got crapped on in Spider-Man 3, that version should not be brought back. 2. They're going to have to find a damn convincing way to bring him back, and it would most likely be clumsy and convoluted. The whole movie would hinge on what explanation they have. It's better to ignore the shtty version of "Venom" (I say that very loosely, since what we got I don't consider to be Venom) and start their own story without having to worry about finding a good way to bring him back, and keeping the same actor and characterization of Venom as in Spider-Man 3. They don't have to spend half the film covering the origin you know, the Incredible Hulk proved that. InTylerWeTrust82* - 10/31/2009, 3:57 PM
	Minotauro - 10/31/2009, 4:01 PM
	what the hell is that minotauro? ComicFreak11 - 10/31/2009, 4:05 PM
	GUYS @ The point is,,,, it can follow on from SPIDEY 3!!! VENOM didn't die, get PURNELL as him an he can star out somewhere else, perfect reboot without BS Origin!! : D Plus add CARNAGE to the mix = Awesome!! So there really needs to be another VOTE there! Because they will probably reboot it but it will follow on from SPIDEY 3, but it will be a reboot! So i aint voting till we get another voting thing lol. LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:06 PM
	Lol @ MINO!!! ; D Heyyyyyy my AVENGERS CADT got moved ffs, who works on Halloween!? ; D PPL go to FAN FIC, well if you want too, lol, theres a FURY VOTE too! ; ) LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:07 PM
	Good going making the main page OZY - in my experience a poll nearly always makes the main page on a slow news day, lol! This is actually a really good discussion though! Heres my take on it... Spider-Man 3 was an abomination. Venom was rushed in at the last second and wasnt even a little similar to the comic book version of the character and I personally dont consider the movie version to be deserving of being called Venom! Even if they found a way of taking the death back, Topher Grace was the worst possible choice to play Eddie Brock! He wasnt a great actor to begin with but when he was trying to play evil he just came across as being a little creep that anyone could probably knock out with a punch! The Venom movie is pointless enough anyway but if they're going to do it I'd rather they actually use another actor and base the character on the one from the comic books!!! I dont know how they'll reboot it but Im sure they'll find a way better than bringing that Topher twerp back who's already had his chance to play Eddie...and [frick]ed it up big time! joshw24 - 10/31/2009, 4:09 PM
	I agree with Lee. They can follow on from Spider-Sht 3 but have a different story and different characterization of Venom, one that is more animalistic and scary. They can do a fcking 5 minute scene about Venom's arrival on earth, it would be fine. InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/31/2009, 4:09 PM
	@Comicfreak - I don't have a darn clue what that was! So I removed it cause it freak me the [frick] out!.. @Leee - ;) Minotauro - 10/31/2009, 4:10 PM
	Thats just your option JOSH!! VENOM is happening lol! ; D But you are right on another actor, anyones better than THOPHER GRACE!! MINO @ ; ) LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:10 PM
	TYLER @ Kudos!! LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:11 PM
	@InTylerWeTrust82- im not being rude or sarcastic btw this is a honest question how are they gunna do a re-boot without mentioning spidey? cuz as i said before the whole costume design of venom is based on spideys costume and if they do mention spidey how do they do so without interfering with the movies already made (or destroyed)? and on top of that do so without confusing the general public? we ain die hard fans and smart directors would do well to take that into account thats why they always bend and twist story lines to sit the general public so if we weigh up the pro's and con's a re-boot makes less sense I know you all WANT a re-boot...but there needs to be alot more what makes most sense and probably won b popular buh it makes more sense...have the last remaining piece of the symbiote latch on to scorpion and carry on that way..even im not 100% on that idea buh iz the only way that makes sense from a directors point of view and wont confuse people TheLivingWeapon - 10/31/2009, 4:12 PM
	damn cob webs in here! LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:14 PM
	@tyler i just read ur other post lol:p TheLivingWeapon - 10/31/2009, 4:14 PM
	LivingWeapon: Venom's had his own series before, it's not a requirement to include Spidey. It really isn't a big deal. What makes most sense is to reboot because it takes too much time to show how Venom returns, then explain it, then set up the characters, then finally get to the development and actual meat of the story. Reboot, 5 minute origin scene, out of the way quickly, story ready to be told right there. InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/31/2009, 4:18 PM
	Yep totally @ TYLER we deff don't want a whole ORIGIN movie!!! Thats why there should be another VOTE on TOP @ OZY!!!! Put it in man, lol. LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:20 PM
	LEE: I actually dont think I've ever asked you this...did you like Spider-Man 3, lol? Oh and thanks for the graphic novel advice on your GL article! :) Reading LEE's idea of the Venom movie following on from Spider-Man 3 with a new actor I agree that that is probably a better idea because a reboot would be too confusing and I cant imagine too many people want Topher Grace back! joshw24 - 10/31/2009, 4:21 PM
	However, I also agree with TYLER that if it followed on from Spider-Man 3 it might not work for all of the reasons he lists! Surely it would be better to just use the money that this would cost to make an extra Spider-Man movie, lol? joshw24 - 10/31/2009, 4:23 PM
	JOSH @ Yeah, SPIDEY 3 is a pile of crap!! : D Though i did like SANDMAN alot but not that he was involved with Uncle Ben, but i got over that lol! No worries dude!!! Ahhhh its nice when we don't fight lol. Oh i try an think of some good ones for ya on the GN front!! LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:24 PM
	@tyler well yea ok but again how can you NOT include spidey? he is a spidey villain and ain people gun say 'oh ain that the bad guy from that spidey film?...oh its a re-boot?..well how does venom have spideys powers and his looks if spidey ain in it? you dont have to spend to long explaining what happened it could probli take 30 minz max then have another hour and a half of sexi venom on carnage action!!! a re-boot would confuse and annoy me! and im alreadi a fan! fink about other people...besides i hate re-boots..ok hulk got away with it but no more plz just b smarter and work around it TheLivingWeapon - 10/31/2009, 4:25 PM
	Oh yeah @ OZY wake up we need another voting thing up there dude! ; D LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:25 PM
	Living Weapon @ SPIDEY wont be involved so you'll find out lol! LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:26 PM
	LEE: It sure is! Sorry about yesterday man - I admit, I acted like a bit of an idiot! :D Yeah, Sandman was pretty much the only redeeming part of Spider-Man 3 after they [frick]ed up Harry Osborn and Venom! :( Oh and hey, how come you havent put your picture up on that CBM girls article? I put mine up so go check out the face of your sometime arch-enemy, lol!!! ;D joshw24 - 10/31/2009, 4:29 PM
	LivingWeapon: I just said that Venom has had his own series, with no Spidey in sight. Once again, they could explain his powers and origin in 10 minutes, it wouldn't be that difficult. A sequel to Spidey-Sht 3 would PISS ME OFF, let alone annoy me. They took a massive dump on Venom, along with just about everything else in that piece of garbage. I honestly am hard pressed to find something I like about Spidey 3. So many things were done so terribly. I hated Sandman even! Well, I never liked the character to begin with, but they made him so boring in the movie, it was aggravating to watch. InTylerWeTrust82* - 10/31/2009, 4:29 PM
	@lee i'll be crossing my fingers if they make it work then i'll be happy i just hope iz not 2 confusing but if i see carnage AND venom in one movie?..im gunna jizz my pants looool besides Daken...Venom and Carnage rule!! thats why when the movie is done i want it 2 be done right TheLivingWeapon - 10/31/2009, 4:30 PM
	Anyone wanna see my new AVENGERS casting its in FAN FIC right now!! ; D Plug plug plug plug plug!!!! LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:30 PM
	WEAPON @ Lol, im crossing mine too dude!!! ; D CARNAGE VS VENOM!!! LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:31 PM
	@tyler belive me man i agree wiv the whole spidey3 but i hate re-boots..i think instead of do-overs just try and work around it and make it better TheLivingWeapon - 10/31/2009, 4:31 PM
	TYLER: Exactly - Sandman was ok until they did the whole Uncle Ben thing! They killed off one of the best characters/actors of the franchise when they [frick]ed up Harry Osborn (I mean, who the hell chose that suit/glider - i was so psyched to see him become the Goblin after the end of Spider-Man 2!) and the ending was just appalling! joshw24 - 10/31/2009, 4:34 PM
	JOSH @ Lol, yep i was a shite bag too bro, i dont think we should play fight no more lol, an hey i dont mean any of the sh1t i say lol. You did, i'll um check it out in a bit, as for putting photos up, if i knew that i would put some of my drawing up ive done, though i'll try an sort it out bro!!! cHECK MY FAN FIC AN Be GENTLE! oops! ; D LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:35 PM
	Yep everyone agrees SPIDEY 3 was total sh1t! : D LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:36 PM
	Cept for SANDMAN! LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:36 PM
	Josh: They fcked Sandman up so much with that super lame storyline. It was horribly written and extremely clumsy. Of course Raimi had to kill every one of the villains except his favorite ;) How could you KILL GREEN GOBLIN AND DOC OCK?! InTylerWeTrust82* - 10/31/2009, 4:37 PM
	TYLER @ But CHURCH was perfect for SANDMAN man!! But what don't HOLLYWOOD [frick] up lol????? JOSH @ Me too, i hated how they [frick]ed up the GOBLIN!!! Well GREEN GOBLIN 2! LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:38 PM
	@JOSH i agree wen i saw snowboarder goblin i was like 'wth!' why couldnt they just do a diff version of the origional goblin suit come on its not THAT hard..i dunno how 2 se photoshop properli TheLivingWeapon - 10/31/2009, 4:39 PM
	WEAPON @ Your better at PHOTOSHOP than me lol, kudos dude! LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 4:41 PM
	REBOOT! Of course reboot! VENOM DIED AT THE END OF SPIDER-MAN 3! He evaporated! He's dead! GET OVER IT! Michael Galusick - 10/31/2009, 4:41 PM
	Church was a good choice, but he was totally wasted, and the terrible script made his performance seem really bad. If the script was better he would have been great I think. Extreme snowboarder Goblin? WTF were they thinking?! InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/31/2009, 4:42 PM
	If they make the movie about Mac Gargan then maybe following would work but man would the fanboys be mad about that! Michael Galusick - 10/31/2009, 4:44 PM
	im tired of all these reboots! i mean, in the comics, if theirs a not very successful story arc, they jus keep goin! why not do the same in the films!!! sigh woo hoo! jallanr - 10/31/2009, 4:47 PM
	@lee cheers dude! i do loads of 'wishful' movie pix but i dare not post them i dont wanna get burned lool TheLivingWeapon - 10/31/2009, 4:51 PM
	I think that a skinny Eddie Brock (jr?) was a horrible choice. Why do they even make movies about them and its not even close to the comic? What if Hulk was blue and only 5'7''? Come on people KillerOfSaints - 10/31/2009, 4:52 PM
	WEAPON @ No worries dude! ; ) PPL @ Its EDDIE BROCK or nothing, who wants a second rate stringer??? MICHAEL @ Its a COMIC BOOK MOVIE!! No one dies, let alone someone like VENOM!! : D LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 5:03 PM
	Truth be told, it really doesnt matter if its a reboot or if it follows the spiderman films ... either way it goes, topher can be eddie brock, but when he turns into venom, he cant be 5'7' and 135lbs soaking wet with rocks in his pockets ... The 3rd spiderman movie was good, i really thought it was, it definitley lacked in some stages, but seeing venom, skinnier and over all smaller, then pathetic tobie mcquire, was a laugh out loud situation. If Topher is going to pull off the role again hes gotta put on some serious beef before he can be Venom again ... nobody wants to watch him in a movie all on his own, when half the walk on or extras in the movie are tougher looking then he is ... i was more intimadated by the thought of seeing Kirsten Dunst's carpet then that of seeing topher grace act like a tough "villan"... Just my thought... OLDDIRTYJER - 10/31/2009, 5:03 PM
	I see @ OZY @ Hasn't put a third vote up lol! LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 5:04 PM
	Truth be told, it really doesnt matter if its a reboot or if it follows the spiderman films ... either way it goes, topher can be eddie brock, but when he turns into venom, he cant be 5'7' and 135lbs soaking wet with rocks in his pockets ... The 3rd spiderman movie was good, i really thought it was, it definitley lacked in some stages, but seeing venom, skinnier and over all smaller, then pathetic tobie mcquire, was a laugh out loud situation. If Topher is going to pull off the role again hes gotta put on some serious beef before he can be Venom again ... nobody wants to watch him in a movie all on his own, when half the walk on or extras in the movie are tougher looking then he is ... i was more intimadated by the thought of seeing Kirsten Dunst's carpet then that of seeing topher grace act like a tough "villan"... Just my thought... OLDDIRTYJER - 10/31/2009, 5:07 PM
	TheLivingWeapon: Cool pic man! Its crazy - they set up a new Goblin at the end of Spider-Man, made it almost definite at the end of Spider-Man 2 and then [frick]ed it up beyond comprehension in Spider-Man 3!!! A really wasted oppurtunity! LEE: Lol, its suprising seeing what everyone looks like (never argue with DDD - he will destroy you, lol!) And I just checked out your fan fic! :) TYLER: Yeah, Raimi has got to stop killing every single villain...killing Osborn I could accept but Doc Ock as well??? Then Harry and Venom too? We might as well forget ever seeing The Sinister Six at this rate!!! joshw24 - 10/31/2009, 5:09 PM
	Josh@ amen TheLivingWeapon - 10/31/2009, 5:16 PM
	I think that a skinny Eddie Brock (jr?) was a horrible choice. Why do they even make movies about them and its not even close to the comic? What if Hulk was blue and only 5'7''? Come on people KillerOfSaints - 10/31/2009, 5:19 PM
	Happy Halloween everybody. I don't think anyone will agree with any of this, but here goes. First of all, I truly do believe that they could make a stand alone Venom movie, and make it good without rebooting and without Spider-Man in it. It would take some brains and some creative ingenuity in the story telling department, perhaps more than your average Hollywood clown could manage, but it absolutely could be done. In a scenario such as that one they would simply give some kind of reason why part of the symbiote was able to survive. They may have to show a few seconds of the final scene of Venom from Spider - Shit 3, and they will almost certainly have to make reference to Spider Man on several occasions. If they did a Venom "reboot" and gave him a new origin, it would have to have Spider-Man in it, which means Toby McGuire, and somehow I really just don't see that happening. On the other hand... Eddie Brock is dead. And the Mac Gargan Venom is cool I guess but I think everyone can agree that the Eddie Brock Venom truly was the best and most interesting. So if they didn't reboot, and just had the symbiote bind with someone else it just wouldn't the same. Really ladies and gents I understand everybody's zeal about this movie. But the writers and director are in a huge bind and something tells me that we are not going to like what they do to get out of it. " /> DarthMulder - 10/31/2009, 5:20 PM
	they can do the same thing with this that they're doing with the deadpool movie. i don't understand what the discussion is about. wolverine: origin royally messed up deadpool...so the deadpool movie isn't going to aknowledge W:O. everyone seems to be very happy about that fact. (i personally don't know how they'll get passed the weapon-x parts of his origin, IF they show his origin, but who knows, we're told we're getting a more faithful deadpool and thats all i care about. well spidey 3 royally messed up venom, so i don't see why anyone has a problem with this not following spidey 3. its the same exact situation. and before anyone says "oh but venom is a spidey villain." go back and research venom, he's had many series' based only on him being a vigilante, anti-hero, with no spidey in sight. venom: lethal protector, anyone? eddie brock's venom didn't just go around killing people for fun, he killed criminals. (much like the punisher, only with no guns, and more brain eating, lol)he had a grudge against spidey and considered him a criminal. otherwise, its not like the guy was going around and robbing banks, looting, and pillaging. CorndogBurglar - 10/31/2009, 5:56 PM
	A villian-as-a-lead movie is a lame idea. How often does that work??? Phinehas - 10/31/2009, 6:32 PM
	i thought that Topher worked in Spiderman 3 cuse he was a perfect match to play against Toby but for a stand alone movie they need to do a reboot. Tophre is not an intimidating enough presence for an anti-hero movie. The lead for this movie needs to have a phisical presence to make it believeable. smokz - 10/31/2009, 7:18 PM
	Should the Venom movie be a reboot? YES!!! DDD - 10/31/2009, 7:18 PM
	DDD @ You wanna fight???! ; D LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 7:45 PM
	sigh.... even though i voted that it should follow Spidey 3, cuz i loved Topher Grace, it really makes sense for it to be a reboot. I mean, come on, Spiderman doesn't even have to be in it. He can be hinted at at the end, like they did with the Joker at the end of Batman Begins. Fartman - 10/31/2009, 8:30 PM
	Second one definitely,Eddie might be dead but not Venon, I really don't care If Topher Grace comes back ,I didn't hate his performace, but the story needs some connection with Spiderman. I just don't get why they don't make another Spiderman movie with Venon, unstead of making a movie with Venon, I if they are going to make SM 4,5 AND 6, make 7 with Venon AND carnage, forget about Venon as the "hero or anti-hero" brazilianbatman - 10/31/2009, 8:32 PM
	Venon should be brought back by Morbius who after Dr. Connors death or something like that which will happen after SM 4, begins to study some experiments in his friend'S lab brazilianbatman - 10/31/2009, 8:40 PM
	iF THEY MAKE THIS MOVIE, IT SHOULD FOLLOW SPIDER 3 OR 4 brazilianbatman - 10/31/2009, 8:42 PM
	Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but I don't think a Venom movie will have a very deep story reboot or not. Lots of 'splosions, fights, tendrils, teeth, fights, and 'splosions. I personally liked Spiderman 3 for the most part. It just had too much quantity to have any really good quality (like a buffet). Upupandaway - 10/31/2009, 8:47 PM
	jORSH- IN THIS FRANCHISE THE ONLY VILLAINS I EXPECT AND SHOULD BE DEAD ARE BOTH GOBLINS,THAT S IT, THE REST FOR ME ARE ALIVE, WE DIDN'T SEE DOCK OCK DYING, VENOM SYMBIOTE STILL THERE AND SANDMAN PROBABLY STILL AROUND THERE ROBBING SOME BANKS WITH RHYNO brazilianbatman - 10/31/2009, 8:51 PM
	I DON'T THINK THE SPIDERMAN 3 WAS SO BAD LIKE PEOPLE SAY HERE, THE STORY WAS NOT GOOD AS THE FIRST TWO, BUT LOOK ON THE SPECIAL EFFECTS OR CGI IMPROVMENTS, LOOK AT THE FIGHT, EXCEPT FOR SANDMAN MONSTER OR KING KONG , WHO LOOKE VERY STUPID AT THE END OF THE MOVIE brazilianbatman - 10/31/2009, 8:55 PM
	CBM should make a poll of how to kill Sandman, because it looks impossible, might be burning, or leaving him at the mid of the ocean, but the problem is If he reach the beach, imagine how big he would get with all that sand brazilianbatman - 10/31/2009, 9:04 PM
	it should follow on, have it hat venom didn't die from the blast but ran off to heal there wounds, dont reboot a character so soon when they havent had a proper chance at it Kablamo - 10/31/2009, 9:16 PM
	"WE DIDN'T SEE DOCK OCK DYING" Dude, I think if you had a mini sun collapse on you then fall into a large body of water to the bottom then you'd be pretty darn dead... InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/31/2009, 9:40 PM
	WELL, THEY NEED HIM TO MAKE SINISTER 6 brazilianbatman - 10/31/2009, 10:14 PM
	he's dead... It was probably one of the most clear deaths in the series... his skeleton was showing... reboot Evil1991 - 10/31/2009, 10:53 PM
	This rebooting every five seconds is a bad idea. I stopped reading comics 14 years ago because you couldn't keep up with everything. How did Catwoman turn to an african american in that one movie? jackson113 - 10/31/2009, 11:15 PM
	What don't ppl get about dead ain't dead in CBM's??? ; D Next you'll be saying JEAN and SCOTT are dead???! Lol. LEEE777 - 10/31/2009, 11:15 PM
	NO TOPHER! Seriously I don't care if its a reboot or not just no Topher, I just want to see Venom vs Carnage on the silver screen. Oh and some people may find this interesting, but i found a vid of a comic they released with Spider-man 3 showing Venoms adventures off-screen, just thought some of you may find it interesting. If they included this in the movie it would have made it for me :( I recommend watching this in HQ. @LEE: I think I sent this too you in an email, wasnt sure you got it. @Josh: I agree Venom was an abomination, I nearly walked out of the theater.. I even sat until the credits were over just incase id miss anything :( Steelix - 10/31/2009, 11:43 PM
	LOL...THIS MOVIE WILL FAIL JUST LIKE THE PUNISHER ATTEMPTS DID, IT JUST DOESNT TRANSLATE TO FILM, WITH PG-13 "SOFT" STANDARDSS dellamorte1872 - 11/1/2009, 1:01 AM
	No reboot just have Topher come back they can give him a bigger muscle suit ect,I personally think the osborns can also be brung back whats spider man with out the Goblins!?! Face it it's a comicbook universe characters "die" but then they almost always come back. I know my spider-man stuff i have 200+ spider-man comics alone so it would be nice to see cameos or smaller villians make head lines ect in the Venom film and the up coming spidey flicks. BossWalsh - 11/1/2009, 1:02 AM
	Who Cares about this film, it will be shite anyway. Venom is crap! TheGlove - 11/1/2009, 5:22 AM
	@TheGlove: The voice of reason has now entered into the discussion :) Well said MultiPurposePoni - 11/1/2009, 6:47 AM
	GLOVE @ You've totally got no taste dude to say something like that?? Awesome vid man!!! i might've got an e-mail from ya dude, i just hardly ever go into my e-mail lol, i know i really should i think i went in there in JUNE lol you wouldnt believe all the junk mail you get in 6 months! : D I totally agree man, we need to see CARNAGE VS VENOM on the silver screen!!! An [frick] TOPHER for VENOM!! I'm not normally for recasting but for VENOM [frick] yes!! ; D STEELIX @ I really dont get these guys that want the guy? He cant even act?? Again man, i luv that vid, so wish we got that in SPIDEY 3!! LEEE777 - 11/1/2009, 6:49 AM
	@ phinehas what other villain cbm's have you seen, because i think i missed them, lol. @ LEEE there are a lot of people that don't like venom. and scott and jean...the movie led us to believe that they are dead, so for now, yeah they are. but they CAN be brought back easily! especially since we didn't see cyke die, and the jean that died could be madelyne pryor! @ tyler i love the whole, "doc ock is still alive" argument. its so funny. he clearly died! and i know the poster hanging on the wall in JJ's office says "doc ock still at large". but thats just a picture of a top story. newspapers do that! best selling front page headlines get framed and hung on the walls of newspaper companies. it doesn't mean anything! CorndogBurglar - 11/1/2009, 7:31 AM
	@ LEE: I know what you mean man, i don't know how that guy got into acting... And i probably don't want to know. Yer those few scenes probably could've saved the movie for many people. I'd rather see more of Eddie's side of the story, too bad they chucked too many unnecessary villains, I could probably forgive New Goblin. (if he was'nt so badly done) because the last 2 films were slowly leading up to him. But Sandman was just a kick in the crotch to me.. he was good in the film but was totally unnecessary. And Venom would never team-up with him anyway. But thats Hollywood for ya. Night Guys Steelix - 11/1/2009, 7:38 AM
	CDB: I know, right? Raimi drove it into our heads even more by showing the tentacle lights flickering, then they go totally out. And last time I checked, Doc Ock's powers didn't include breathing under water, or being able to survive when a sun falls on you... InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/1/2009, 7:43 AM
	@ steelix personally, and i know this doesn't follow the comics, but i would have rather seen harry become hobgoblin. not a half attempt at a new green goblin. CorndogBurglar - 11/1/2009, 8:11 AM
	Please don't use Topher Grace. How very unbadass Eddie Brock was. And his costume looked like crap. He needs to be bigger and his symbiote costume needs to ooze and breathe more. dustin7933 - 11/1/2009, 8:13 AM
	First of all, Eric Foreman is no freakin Venom!!!! Lee@ nice carnage casting...I like that guys character on Heroes. Not too sure about the dude from Prison Break though. Whoever plays Venom has got to really be able to crank up the crazy dial when he becomes the sadistic killer that Venom is. TNTjesus - 11/1/2009, 8:58 AM
	I hate the "in comic they have died and come back" argument. Yes it is true but you guys have to realize that comics are a different medium. And when a character "dies" in the comics, it's either done in a way that is ambiguous because they're planning it to be a ruse or the person does come back for a very long time. Decades sometimes. It wouldn't work in the movie. I'm sorry guys. Move on, there are plenty of other good bad guys for Spidey to fight. Michael Galusick - 11/1/2009, 8:58 AM
	Unfortunately, the mainstream movie going audience only knows Venom as part of Spider-man lore. To break away entirely from it would be more of a detriment to the studio. If this movie does get made, I have a feeling they will try to continue the story where SM3 left off. MultiPurposePoni - 11/1/2009, 9:03 AM
	Okay everyone Im back! @LEEE777:If you want me to put a 3rd option up there tell me what it is. @joshw24:Thanks! I still cant believe this got on the front page! Also I actually liked Topher Grace in spidey 3. I think he did a really good job.For the spinoff he just needs to gain some more muscle and I think he will be okay. Ozymandias - 11/1/2009, 9:42 AM
	I really liked Topher in SM 3. He worked great as the mirror image of Spidey that they had in the film. One of the very few good parts of the whole movie IMO. However, in the spin off, he should not return. They won't have Spidey in it, so I don't think Topher would work. Purcell for Brock. InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/1/2009, 9:58 AM
	JUst make venom bigger and badass satanors - 11/1/2009, 10:49 AM
	I beleive the Glove said it all lol :P teabag - 11/1/2009, 10:57 AM
	I don't think they should reboot, I feel it would be better if they follow what happened in Spider-Man 3. Bandrews1 - 11/1/2009, 12:13 PM
	CBM- Exactly!!! ...one may argue "Aliens and/or Predator" Phinehas - 11/1/2009, 1:27 PM
	Hey guys here's an article about venom im sure you guys have seen it. Ultimate Spider-Man The Venom suit (and Eddie Brock) are greatly altered in the Ultimate Marvel Universe. The symbiote is not extraterrestrial nor is it shown to be sentient in any way. Instead, it is a genetically created "suit" designed by Eddie Brock and Peter Parker's biological fathers as a cure for cancer. It is meant to bond to the user and protect them from internal and external harm, but also puts a great psychotic pressure on the user. The suit also apparently requires nourishment to function, which is gained by feeding on organic flesh, either consuming that of its host or devouring other victims. If bonded to an incompatible host, such as Eddie Brock, the Venom suit begins consuming them almost immediately, forcing them to feed to sustain it or die themselves. Venom feeds by literally swallowing his victims whole in mere seconds, usually while the victim was still alive; the suit apparently is very quick to absorb/digest whoever Venom has just swallowed, as Venom had no noticeable size changes even after eating dozens of people. At one point, Venom's hunger became so severe that instead of simply ambushing and swallowing victims in the park, he took to the streets and began swallowing everyone he saw, even swallowing an entire horse, with its rider still on it. The suit separated itself from Eddie and forcibly bonded itself with Peter Parker, turning him into Venom. The Ultimates arrived and were able to separate Peter from the suit. The whereabouts of this suit are unknown, presumably locked somewhere within the Triskellion. Eddie Brock later approached Peter and demanded that he retrieve the suit for him. During a later encounter, Peter and Gwen confronted Eddie and Gwen transformed into Carnage. Contact with Carnage caused trace amounts of the suit within Eddie's body to multiply, transforming him into Venom. Venom then absorbed all elements of the Carnage symbiote, leaving Gwen an ordinary human, and causing Venom to change into a new form even larger than before, with small glowing red eyes. Venom retreated from battle, and was later captured by the Beetle and taken to Latveria. Peter was able to control the "suit" to a greater extent than anyone, not only because of his powers, but also because of his DNA. When it bonds to Eddie it took complete control of him, turning him into a life-form that appears similar to the mainstream Venom, with similar powers; though for a few moments when Eddie first gained the suit, he gained an appearance similar to a more muscular black-suited Spider-man. The Venom Suit shown here is the second phase of the Venom Project, and increases the natural abilities of the person wearing it. The suit is tailored for a specific DNA, and the person who it belongs to can control the suit more easily. If someone uses the suit other than the one who it was made for or a close relative, they find it far harder to control Venom and are constantly damaged by the suit, needing to feed off other temporarily or a more suitable host for a permanent cure. When Peter wore the suit when calm, he had increased strength, speed and agility, as well as being able to fire webbing from his fingers without limit. However he also suffered delusions, confusing a mugger for his uncle's killer. When enraged, the suit forcefully turns the wearer into Venom, displaying psychosis and far greater power. When Eddie wore the suit, he resembled symbiote-Spider-Man. Immediately afterwards, the suit grew a fanged mouth and claws, and randomly creating tendrils and spikes. In its hostless form, the Venom Project takes the appearance of a dark purple goo, which rapidly spreads and replicates to cover a host when it makes contact with it. When taking a host, the goo completely envelops the host, regardless of resistance, temporarily blinding it, before encasing itself in a hard, purple casing, similar to a pupae, as it bonds further with the host. When the host escapes, the project then shifts its appearance and function to assist its host, such as creating eyes for it to see through, or tries to take it over, inducing a homicidal rage and attempting to feed itself if bonded with an incompatible host. When bonded with a host and forcibly removed, the Venom Suit can leave trace amounts of itself in their bloodstream, which attracts other samples of Venom to itself, and can overload Peter's spider-sense. Absorbing these trace amounts, along with Ultimate Spider-Carnage allowed Eddie to take complete control of the Suit, gaining a greater ability to talk and a spider symbol on his chest. This was again illustrated when Eddie, who had lost the Venom Suit to the Ultimates, came into contact with Gwen Stacy, the Ultimate Carnage, and the remaining particles within him multiplied to reform the Venom Suit. It is worth note, that when Eddie used the suit, he was capable of creating organic webbing, yet in the game he seemed only capable of creating tentacles Ultimate Venom's only known weakness is electricity, and larger amounts of the Suit will need more electricity to kill, as varying amounts of Venom will be stunned or vaporized by electric shocks. An electrocution from live power-lines vaporized the smaller amount on Peter, while a similar amount disabled Eddie. The suit can take the Shocker's vibro-shocks, and can protect its host from a bullet, who feels nothing more than a relaxing vibration Weiner123 - 11/1/2009, 5:29 PM
	i really couldn't care less either way as long as topher is out scarface - 11/1/2009, 6:29 PM
	OK so Eddie/Venom get pumpkin bombed. Eddie is thrown off the building by the blast & into, lets say a dumpster. Sometime passes he awakens confused, weak, & disoriented. Remembering bits & pieces of what happen he frantically looks in a window to see his reflection realizing the symbiote is gone. Angered he starts kicking & screaming knocking over a trash can with a newspaper in it exposing an article about his "Death". Now he is forced to live on the street like a bum because he feels he can't return to his normal life. During this time he sees how bad things are, how thugs own the streets & crime is everywhere. At the same time, unknowingly to Eddie, the symbiote is regrowing inside his blood (like Carnage has done in the comics a few times). The result being Eddie returning as Venom to help against crime, tho still holding a grudge against Spider-man & causing the symboite to birth an offspring (Carnage). I think that would be a good way to start off the movie. ComicKnight - 11/2/2009, 1:02 AM
	@ corndog: Yeah thats what i meant when i said they should've done him better, Hobgoblin would've been mad. :D Steelix - 11/2/2009, 4:16 AM
	Just stop [frick]ing crying and continue it. Stop rebooting shit! BmanHall - 11/2/2009, 7:10 AM
	Topher = Eddie? hahahardly... thatiscrazy - 11/2/2009, 7:13 AM
	To be honest, when Spider-Man was first announced it was going to be made, I hoped Topher Grace was going to be Peter Parker. Stumblin - 11/2/2009, 8:13 AM
	Ozy- You should have another choice to your poll: DON'T MAKE THE DAMN FILM! LOL :P Shaman - 11/2/2009, 9:16 AM
	Agreed with Shaman! We all need a rest from crappy films! Phinehas - 11/2/2009, 9:21 AM
	They could go in the Mac Gargan direction and say the symbiote survived and attached itself to a different host. Personally the Eddie Brock Venom is the best way to go, but unless they somehow incorporate Eric Foreman's father (I think his name is Red) than I think a re-boot is nessesary. ScarletJack - 11/2/2009, 10:05 AM
	Don't get me wrong, i LOVE Venom! He's just not a box office type of character enough to generate his own film no matter how good "Lethal Protector" was. The last thing we CBM fans need is yet another CB character getting raped on screen, especially for a second time in a row!!! Shaman - 11/2/2009, 10:59 AM
	No [frick]ing reboot, read ComicKnight's last comment, perfect idea for a Venom movie that is in the same universe as the other Spidey movies. It could also set up Venom's return for a future Spidey movie where he could lead the Sinister Six. If its a reboot that has nothing to do with Spider-man, it is definetly gonna suck! You think Venom sucked in Spidey 3, he is definetly gonna suck in a stand-alone movie that has nothing to do with Spider-Man. Just read ComicKnight's idea and your opinion will change from reboot to being a continuation of the other Spidey movies. And hey a spin-off could also fix everything that was wrong with Venom in Spidey 3, it could explain that the symbiote was not fully bonded to Eddie but in the spin-off, they are fully bonded so the mask comes off a hell of a lot less. And they really should get an unknown actor to play Eddie because while there is a well known actor playing Eddie, expect the mask to come off a lot more dancingmonkey08 - 11/2/2009, 11:24 AM
	if u guys look closly at the end of spidey 3 there was a crack in the floor and a tiny sample of symbiote fell in the crack it could mean a sample servioved or the sample Dr. Conners has could be another gr8 idea it all depeneds if sony reads this and copys our ideas skmaster - 11/2/2009, 12:56 PM
	witch i hope is likely skmaster - 11/2/2009, 12:57 PM
	lee and josh should get married.... they allready act as a married couple......lolololol but seriously..... no reboot. I agreed with the reboot of the hulk. but all other reboots are there to get the same audiences twice in the cinemas!! brings a lot of cash! phenomenon - 11/2/2009, 1:16 PM
	Don't let screenwriters come up with how Venom survives. Let one of the Marvel comic writers do it. They are the masters at seemingly unexplainable resurections. Leave it to the masters! Personally, I think it only takes one line of dialogue to explain everything. "Are you sure you saw what you thought you saw". Then supply explanation. Something like Eddie was actually blown away by the explosion, gets suit back with the piece in Conner's lab, the "skeleton" seen in the explosion is revealed to be the symbiote writhing in the flames. Justifiable since the skeleton in the explosion is extremely blurry. Just say that the eye sees what it wants to see, and there ya go. Apoc4all - 11/2/2009, 5:05 PM
	monkey08 @ Thanks for the support. I really think if they continued with the events that happened it could definitely work. I wouldn't mind if they got another actor for Eddie nor would I mind keeping Topher. And skmaster is right, I do remember a small bit of the symbiote left over going through the crack at the end. I suppose it could be played off one of 2 ways. It either slipped through the crack and got away or it simply dissolved and died. my guess is they left it open ended that way. ComicKnight - 11/2/2009, 7:49 PM
	Reboot Come on guys, i mean, really...Topher stunk up the roll. We need new blood to get this thing pumping.. Take it from the perspective of Eddie Brock, he's trying to make parol and is on the board for it, thats how the movie will start out. He's been seperated from his OOZ for almost a month, and Dr. Conners results find him 100% out of its control....as coclusive as they may or may not be. Eddie pretty much tells us as he's asked by the board why he should be allowed to go free, how spiderman had ruined his life, this will give us an idea of how Spiderman's encounter with Eddie brock was/is different then the SM3's version. Once allowed out, he has flash backs of fighting Spiderman, but continues taking his meds, and after all, its been all over the bugle that spiderman is no where to be seen. Ever since the death of that Gwen Stacy girl, Spiderman had been a no show. Of course the bugle put it out that somehow HE was responsible for the death and is hiding out of guilt, others that he'd had enough of fighitng crime, others that he'd died or gone back to mars. Whatever the reason, Eddie was the better for it, except that he knew and liked Gwen and the fact that Spiderman coudln't, or as he saw it:didn't save here, made him loath spidey all the more. BUT his treatments were working and he'd come to terms that the real killer was facing death row, and spiderman was for the most part gone, it was time to move on with his life. He tries getting a job, and decides to take an offer to work for Dr. Conners who helped get him out of the Black suit by use of his sonic empulser back when he was ......you know... No one else will hire him based on what he used to be, so he takes the offer to be his lab hand, and Conners is a believer in "Second chances" (when he says his he looks at his missing arm). Another thing he says under his breath is: "perhaps you've given me mine..." Since hearing that without Conners knowing he did, Eddie has been mildly suspcious. While under his employment, he meets another work hand of Conners Ashley Kafka, who is sort of giving him her distance cause of his sorid past, now he likes Kafka, and really wants her to understand how his only real time he ever knew what he was doing was wrong was when he endangered someone else to kill spiderman....Spiderman was what he really hated, and that hate drove him to do things he regreted cause of how it affected other people, and now he wants to make up for it if its even possible. Meanwhile the psychopath, Cletus Cassedy, has broken out of Rykers, the one spiderman last put away, the one responsible for Gwen Stacy's death. Now that spidey was gone all that was left of his hurt is Cletus. Now that he's out, there's nothing more he'd like to do then meet up with him in a cold dark allyway like Gwen did, only this time, He'd be the one cut up into peices. One night, one night Eddie is picked to close up in the building. He finds Conners still in the lab which SHOULD be shut down at that hour. Working on some of the black element that he SAID he destroyed. "So thats what Doc meant when he said "I gave him his second chance...He'll probobly make a fortune off of what that stuff can do." He thinks of going in and calling him on it, but thinks: "...Let him have his fun....you know where he keeps it now, when he's gone some other time, take some, use it.....use it to find Cletus...make him pay....you know you need us Eddie..." "US??" Oh no the voice again....no no no, he'd come to far....spiderman was gone now, NO MORE OBSESSIONS. But still, it was rather tempting. Later that week, as he attempted to avoid working in the lab as much as possible, Kafka asks him whats bothering him (She kind of likes him to) He asks her waht she would do if she had a way of getting back at someone who hurt someone close to her, but to do it, she knew she had to do a bad thing.... She guesses that he means Cletus, and tries to tell him that it requires to much of himself, she tells eddies she was wrong and thinks that Eddie has changed for the better, and that even if it WAS in him at a time, isn't now... "Yeah..." Eddie thinks, "Not in ME.....but its still in US..." But he puts that thought out of his head, Kafka actualy liking him takes the mood off, he thinks maybe he can have a normal life with someone that'll love him, but the Symbiot has to go, while its still in exsistance, he knows he can't have peice...it'll claw at whatever it is that hurt him once and use it to make him want it...make him BECOME it. He stays late at the office one night to try to destroy it in the machine Conners made, but connners finds him and says he's calling security, Eddie wrestles with him saying if you do i'll tell everyone that your keeping the illegal substance you said you destroyed to get rich. Conners tells him NO, he was using it to regain his arm again, that was his second chance he was refering too. Then Irony of irony's, Cletus breaks in the lab. He attempts to kill them both but Eddie puts up a good fight until he's shot in the gut. Conners in self defence hits Cletus in the face with the first thing his fingers find, which is a glass container of some of the mutated and experimented on symbiot. The jar shatters on his face, making cuts, which the the symbiot seeps into, mixing with he blood and morphing into that color. He runs out of there clawing at his face in pain, Conners gets up and see's Eddie on the floor bleeding, meanwhile some of the first stage symbiot crawls away out a window. In the next scene Eddie is on a hospital bed with Curt and Kafka over him. THey don't think he'll make it. The doctors usher him out to let him rest....when they do and the lights go out, the symbiot crawls through his window and makes his way to his hospital bed. Meanwhile outside, Kafka is shocked when Curt admits to have kept some of the substance in secret, she slaps him and asks how he could torment Eddie like that with the thing that changed him in his face everyday, and now he may die for i- CRASH everyone runs back into his room to see the window broken and his bed empty. Next scene is somewhere in a dark ally where Cletus is stumbling around and slightly laughing. Some gang bangers ask him what he's doing in there teritory and he just laughs and makes rude comment, (His face is all scarred up and vains are popping where the vains are.) They take out knives and attempt to shiv him, when he does, Cletus not only blocks him but knifes HIM with his own sword, made of red vains, made of his arm. The others try to escape but a red vained web is shot in front of them keeping them from leaving, they scream as he aproaches them. His whole body mutating into CARNEGE (the reasoni think he should mutate body and all, is to give him an element of his own that isn't venom. Otherwise people will think "This is Venom vs. Evil Venom, whos' also red) if his body is whats changed into carnege, instead of it just over taking him, then he could have a different more sinister spin to him, making him a more independant character.) The next morning, Eddie wakes up ON the statue of Liberty, wondering how he got up there. He checks his gut and see's his wound has healed. He makes his way back down and tries to contact the doctor, but his phone is out of energy. He suddenly hears a woman crying out because she's being robbed by some guys who are about to do more to her then just that. He tells them to back off and they say "Make us **h" andshoot him. She screams and they resume their activity in cornering her, then he stand straight up again, and turns into venom. "We intend too.." Venom says, and takes them down, mortaly wounding some and snapping the heads of or beating the others to death. The girl is to shocked to know what to do, so she runs screaming. Venom swings away when people ocme to see what the comotion was. HE perches on building and thinks "Oh no oh no!...." its back....then remembers how he just saved somebody....."Weeee're BAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!" Next scenes are of him administering Justice in a more hard coreway to people who typicaly deserve to be killed or hurt beyond recovery (Murderers, rapists, kidnappers.) People wonder what has brought this guy about again, is it spiderman? Or is it Eddie Brock who's dissapeared from NY hosptial the other day? It goes from bad to good to awful when reports show of someone using symbiotic technics to kill inocent poeple and guilty people, leaving a word on the wall usualy in the victoms blood "CARNAGE", or writing it in webbing between buildings. He also takes the time to take certain poeple hostage to who knows where, police are uncertain if they're dead or alive. They start calling venom carnage, not knowing any better. Brock knows he can't turn to anyone else, so he contacts Kafka and tries to convince her that he's not who's been murdering the inocent on TV. She asks him to turn himself in and of course he refuses knowing they'll never believe him even if she vouches for him like she says she will. In the middle of the talk, she screams anad Cletus' voice is heard, followed by carnages roar. He swings as venom to her apartment to find her gone, with the writing Carnage on the wall. Enraged he goes to contact Conners, demanding that he tell him everything about the symbiot so he can know how to stop Carnage (Who HAS killed children). He goes there to find Carnage wrapping Curt up and about to take him away. He and Carnage have their first fight, one where Carnage fleas the scene do to the sonic pulser being turned on by accident. Eddie after recovering demands that Conners spill his guts, so he shakenly does , saying how when spiderman had come to him, and he'd done studdies on it, it was determined it could have the memories of the previous wearer in it...they're wants and dreams and fears, as well as what the symbiot had done independant of its user. They realise that some of the people that had been murdered had been people who'd worked on the symbiot in the lab with him or been present when taking pics of the scene, they were the ones Carnage took away alive, people the symbiot had remembered torturing it and inprisoning it, Conner and Kafka were some of these. Connors theorises that since the symboits traits take after spidermans, who is takes after the traits of spiders, its possible carnage is taking the people from the lab away to area for later like a spider keeping flies, then eat them. Eddie corrects him and says that when he was venom, what was "It wasnt carnel hunger that drove us, we wouldn't want to eat brains or anything. What was...delicious to us...what made us stronger was their desire to hurt spiderman, the ultimate feast...or satisfaction, would be to see him die. Presently what gave him solice was protecting the inocent. SO, obviously, killing is what drove Cassidy. So the ultimate feast for him would be......killing everyone (he had previously in the movie before being carnage, stated he'd kill everyone in NY.) But the only way to do it was too......"Oh god....the Oscorp power plant!" Conner exclaims. all the attacks seemed to stem around there....he must be holding them there. Then he'll set off the whole thing, and raise that portion of NY to the ground when it explodes, as it is nucular powered. Oscorp found a way to make it safe to use nucular material, but Carnage could easily disable it. the reason Carnage must have taking the lab hands there was so they would be the first to die. Brock speeds over to the plant to find all the lab hands there, like fliese to Curts prediction, strung up near the reactor. Him and Carnage have their final fight there which will last longer then 2 and a half minutes unlike SM3. It will end with him sending Carnage into the reactor to be supposedly incinorated as Conners did say extreme heat WOULD kill the symbiot. Venom saves the plant from "completly exploding" and the other people as well, him and Kafka kiss afterwards before they leave together before the police come for the rest of the hostages. And Venom gives monalog about being a Lethal protector...doing what others can't do.....even if they should....giving out true, final justice....together..........forever.......we ARE VENOM!!!!!" End credits......(then a cut scene of someone buying a train ticket to NY. The teller looks up and see's a bearded young man, in ragged clothes. "Back from a long trip sir?" She asks "Yes.....you could say that..." he replies... "thank you for the ticket..." She nods and waves him on "Enjoy New York Mr. Parker..." As for who could play these people. I'm think Sam Writer for Eddie Brock, he could play the dichotamey of a good used by evil, TOO do good kind of person. As for Conners, I'm thinking of Bruce Greenwood. Ashlely Kafka: played by Ashely Greene. Cletus Kassidy: played by either Robert Knepper, or Ben Foster for a Younger Cletus to match Brock. TheSoulEater** - 11/3/2009, 5:57 AM
	I figured out something. In Spider-Man 3, when Harry gets hit with the pumpkin bomb, his face gets scarred. What if, the explosion at the end of the film just sent Eddie off the building and he grabbed onto a ledge? It works doesn't it? superherofan21 - 11/20/2009, 7:43 PM

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