PaulRom Revisits: Batman Begins / The Dark Knight

PaulRom Revisits: Batman Begins / The Dark Knight

Commonly considered the best comic book franchise so far, does Christopher Nolan's take on the Caped Crusader as good as everyone says? Click here for my take...

Review Opinion
By PaulRom - Jun 26, 2011 10:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

After the fiasco that was Batman & Robin, Batman's presence on the big screen was in jeopardy. Warner Bros. realized how valuable the characters were when adapting to the big screen, and after a a few years of unsuccessfully trying, they finally rebooted the franchise with 2005's Batman Begins. Depicting a darker, grittier, and more realistic Batman, the film was a success with the critics and set things up for a new franchise perfectly. Three years later, a sequel titled The Dark Knight broke all sorts of records, and - what can I say that hasn't been said already? TDK lifted the bar on the genre considerably. But do these movies REALLY deserve all this success? Absolutely.

Batman Begins is by far the most in-depth film concerning Batman's origins, explaining why Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) became Batman, what drove him to fight crime, etc. One of the heaviest themes in the film is fear - Batman facing/overcoming fear, giving criminals the same kind of fear, and so on. As stated above, Begins takes on a much darker/realistic approach to the Dark Knight than previous adaptations - even to the point where you feel like Gotham City can actually be real and in our universe. The film's villain, Ra's al Ghul (portrayed wonderfully by Liam Neeson), doesn't even have powers like the comic book version of the character does, and instead depicts him as the leader of a political organization bent on destroying Gotham and trains Wayne in martial arts (something not depicted in the comics). Still, the film itself is incredibly solid, and offers a script and storyline that you actually WANT to follow.

The sequel, The Dark Knight, takes place a few months after Begins. Rising attorney Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart) is cleaning up the crime in Gotham (and does an even better job than Batman), when suddenly The Joker (Heath Ledger) rounds up the gangs of the city in an attempt to bring down the Batman. The film also followed Dent's fateful transformation into the villain Two-Face, and also further develops the characters from the previous film (with the exception of Scarecrow [Cillian Murphy], who only has a cameo in the beginning of The Dark Knight). In the end, the script is even more solid than the first, and although I usually don't care for movies longer than 2 hours and a quarter, the film's 2.5 hours of running time seem rather necessary, and I was slightly disappointed when it was over because of how well-done and captivating it is.

The casting in both films is almost perfect. Christian Bale embodied Bruce Wayne/Batman to near-perfection, and say what you will about his Batvoice, I rather like it unless it gets to the point where you struggle to understand what he's saying (for example, 'You'll be in a prison cell forever' vs. 'Your peanut butter jelly forever'). Overall, however, Bale is by far our best Batman yet IMO. Gary Oldman, Michael Caine, and Morgan Freeman are all perfect as Gordon, Alfred and Lucius Fox, respectively, while Cillian Murphy is always enjoyable on screen. Heath Ledger easily stole the show in Dark Knight, and I believe his Oscar was more than deserved. As stated above, Neeson is excellent as Ra's al Ghul, and it only convinces me further of how great an actor he is. Personally, I thought Katie Holmes was better than Maggie Gyllenhaal as Rachel Dawes (or, as BarleyPolitical puts it, 'In Batman Begins she was so much hotter'), but Gyllenhaal seemed to fit more into the Dark Knight tone than Holmes probably would have. However, I still think that Holmes did a good job as Ms. Dawes, despite popular belief. Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent/Two-Face is miles and miles better than Tommy Lee Jones' take on the character in the ultimately forgettable Batman Forever, and overall embodies the character to perfection.

The only actual flaw, in my mind, with the franchise is that it hasn't stuck as close to the comics as I would've liked. From being based mostly on Batman: Year One and mixing in some of Long Halloween and Dark Victory for good measure, to altering the origins of Ghul and Joker (which is something I can understand, considering the franchise's grounded completely on realism), to even introducing an entirely new love interest that wasn't in the comics (Rachel Dawes) instead of using Vicki Vale again, the films aren't near as close to the comics as they could've been. This is mostly a minor flaw, however, but I would've liked to see Ghul with actual powers like his comic book counterpart, among other things.

For those who complain about the realism concerning Batman's weaknesses, I don't see what the problem is. Sure it's kinda embarrassing to see Batman on the ground being attacked by dogs while the comic book version can fight off aliens and other super villains, as well as Batman being lit on fire and pushed out a window by Scarecrow, but let's look at the comic version. Both versions depict Batman as a being without super powers who relies on things such as martial arts and intimidation in fighting crime, but the comic version of Batman is arguably more suited for fighting off villains more powerful than The Joker or Scarecrow. While Nolan's version of Batman is far from perfect when it comes to fighting, it still works for the universe that Nolan created for the characters. It's not like Nolan originally intended on bringing in an alien invasion in this franchise.

In the end, Christopher Nolan's Batman saga is easily one of the strongest franchises around. With near-perfect casting, practically perfect scripts, and powerful themes, both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight have raised the bar considerably, and join films such as Iron Man, the first two Spider-Man films, and even newer films such as Thor and X-Men: First Class in doing so. Bring on The Dark Knight Rises!

I rate Batman Begins 4.5 out of 5 stars, and The Dark Knight 5 out of 5 stars.

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Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 6/26/2011, 12:06 PM
great review

There's something that I totally disagree. Katie Holmes was the worst thing in BB. The whole time I couldn't wait to change the scene where ever she was on screen.
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 6/26/2011, 1:47 PM
@jimyjam1991 - So, you believe that TDK is overrated because of the Ledger's death? I hear that from every guy who is looking for something bad to say about the movie. The only reason they say TDK is overrated is because one guy said it and everyone just copy it. It's not the opinion of many, is an opinion for those who are trying to find something bad about the movie. Until this day the haters say all the time that the movie is overrated because of Ledger's death.
I agree that BB action scenes weren't done well, but TDK had excellent shooting. That "dickriding" is just stupid. The scene so the potential of the batpod. That happens in every movie.
But, tell what movies you like? Just want to see what kind of person you are.
TheShadow
TheShadow - 6/26/2011, 4:22 PM
@jimmyjam
So you say TDK is overrated because of the death of Ledger??OOoookkk...
If TDK was shot so bad why does Nolan recieve more rewards than any other CBM director? And this is a realistic Batman, so hang your MARVEL head down in dissapointment.
I'm sorry TDK was so good...=(
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 6/26/2011, 4:28 PM
@jimyjam1991 - the only reason why you don't like the movie is because everyone does. You want to be different from everyone else.
superbatspiderman
superbatspiderman - 6/26/2011, 6:20 PM
Bale is the best man to don the Cape and cowl in movies. Say what you want about his voice but he is still great. All superheroes should deepen their voices to disguise themselves. Nolan and Bale are the best things that ever happened to Batman and I can't imagine anyone making better movies than them. Great reviews I like these revisit things.
Moonwalker1991
Moonwalker1991 - 6/26/2011, 6:36 PM
The Dark Knight had almost no Batman. It was all Joker. Two-face was awesome but was killed off, yet his story was done anyway. I prefer Batman Begins. The story I think was better and nowhere near as complex as The Dark Knight. Batman was "teleporting" all around the docks knocking out thugs. awesome. Didn't do any of that in The Dark Knight. His costume is more mechanical than the first. U can tell it's hard for him to move around. He just wasn't as flexible as in the first film. TDKR better have some improvements. Oh, and his Barry White voice, I just can't help laughing sometimes when I watch TDK. Good ol' CB. "Swear to me!!!"
HellScorpion
HellScorpion - 6/26/2011, 7:59 PM
Batman Begins was the best film I ever saw, definitely the best live action Batman film (in my book). Let's hope The Dark Knight Rises can live up, but from what I've seen so far it probably will (well aside from the Bane mask).
SpiderFan35
SpiderFan35 - 6/26/2011, 9:58 PM
I agree for the most part but the Bale Batman voice was a mistake. Batman is about a quiet mysterious hero, some of the coolest scenes from other animated movies etc. have had Batman scaring the hell out of bad guys without saying anything. Now Bale has him running around screaming hoarsely at people like an alcoholic step-father. Sorry but someone should have stopped that in its tracks, he sounds ridiculous. Other than that and Maggie Gyllenhaal (shudder) they are great films.
SpiderFan35
SpiderFan35 - 6/26/2011, 10:07 PM
@Moonwalker1991: I read that the first costume was giving him headaches and the second was supposedly re-designed to be easier to move in, and that was also represented in TDK.

However, I agree with you that he did look stiff and the suit is becoming bulky armour again like in the other Batman movies. If Nolan wants realism so bad how about a Batman that relies on his fighting skills instead of armour to protect himself. In BB they showed him learning how to fight so lets see some more fighting.
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 6/27/2011, 1:59 AM
@jimyjam1991 - You said overrated, not overhyped and you are still mistaken. The people who go to see at first didn't want to. After watching it we go and see it twice.
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE PLOT HOLES? Tell me just one, only one.
Joker movie? Joker had the less screen time. Simple Ledger performance stole the show.
As for the realistic I personaly don't give a shit. Of course it's not realistic and thank god for it. No movie is.
As for the best comic book movie it's not the best. It's the best movie that have come from CMB.
Moonwalker1991
Moonwalker1991 - 6/27/2011, 7:18 AM
Between the two films with another on the way, Batman Begins is better. TDK had almost no Batman. Even when he did appear it was for like four seconds. I wouldn't say it was overrated, but just nowhere near as good as the first. Batman had like no development. And Rachel Dawes... I won't even go there. Batman Begins in my opinion had a better story, it was more paced and it was just better. TDK had too much of a complex story. Harvey Dent could have been saved for the third film if he hadn't been killed off. Joker was cool and creepy but honestly I paid to see Batman, not Joker.
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 6/27/2011, 9:07 AM
@jimyjam1991 - It was overhyped by his death? So, all the success came because of his death? That doesn't make sense. As I said again Joker stole the show. It's like say that in Silence of the Lambs it was all about Hannibal. Hannibal stole the show, but he had the less time.
Do you even know what a plot hole is? Plot hole is when something happen in the movie that doesn't make sense. I think you mean plot twist. It's when something unexpected happen in the movie which is why a movie is good. Nolan always has some plot twist.
Now tell me your favorite movie so I can know what you think is good.

@Moonwalker1991 - Batman had like no development? It's an identity crisis. It was about Wayne who is trying to take a decision. Continue be Batman and let innocent people die or reveal his identity and have Joker has his way.
It was a detective film. It's what Batman is. Perhaps you don't read the comics.
You are complaining for the best plot twist I have seen. Maybe you don't like them, but the plot twists makes a movie good.

@Moonwalker1991 & @jimyjam1991 - And now something for both of you. Reading your comments I see that what you don't like about TDK is that had more focus to development of the story and less action. But Batman is about the story. Basic you don't even know the character.
TheShadow
TheShadow - 6/27/2011, 6:08 PM
@Jimmyjam
Please learn how to spell check.
First of all, the movie is realistic, and yes, the technology is in the making today. Keep in mind Wayne industries is a private corporation that has technology not avaliable for the public. But, it sure as h*ll is more realistic than a man who can fly or shoots webs.
Stuck up MARVEL fans like you like to blame the succes of a movie on the death of a man. People go to see the movie because the heard about a stellar preformance, not a, " go show your respects."
You are OBVIOUSLY a CHILD in the mind to not be able to put 2 and 2 toegether and understand the movie. It is an easy plot to follow about an urban legend the has been modernized to tell a current story and relate to the average man. He man it REALISTIC to tell the story of a man, not for explosions and the cheap entertainment.
It is not a Joker movie, it is a Batman movie, and everything that comes with it, including the Joker. You can look at any movie, and blame the succes on one thing, which is something DC fans don't do.
I think you need to face the facts and realize the movie is the gretest CBM. And the only reason you say BB is better is because of your foolish hate for TDK.
HE does what every director and writer should, make a story for the character, and not the fans. And with that, you end up with TDK, and not Spiderman-3.
TDk set a bar for CBM's, and only TDKR can beat it. And TDKR will beat it and The Avengers, why? Because he makes a movie for a reason, and not for the fans. TDK will be remembered wether you like it or not.

Sorry it is a legend...=`(
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 6/27/2011, 9:40 PM
@jimyjam1991 - So, you can't find a serius argument and you try to insult me.
If you mean plot hole then tell me where is. The child here is you who just makes up things on your mind to justify your argument
It's not? I think you don't read much. Batman is the words best detective. It's based on the comics, the original comics. After the movies and the cartoon they change it to a more ordinary comic.
Who the [frick] thinks that? Only the people who are trying to make it look like a just overrated movie. The truth is simple. It's good film and people like it. Live with it. Titanic is the highest-grossing film in history because it's a good film and people like it.
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 6/28/2011, 10:46 AM
@jimyjam1991 - Well, now I have to say alot:
Gordon stay in the back so he can get Joker at the right time and put the lives of his men to capture the most dangerous criminal of all time. Maybe you don't know, but people with power are doing dangerous plans like that.
Of course Batman didn't know that it would be a successful scenario, but it was the only thing he could do. Or should he wait for more people to die?
"He needs to be caught AND he needs the guy with the phone in his stomach to make it with him otherwise he’s got no way to get Lao or the money. He surely should have walked into the station with his men a la Se7en!" Where's the plot hole in that?
"I put this to a friend and he suggested the whole ‘agent of chaos’ angle which doesn’t work for me because Dent, Gordon and Batman ren’t agents of chaos and that’s the force they’re fighting against. If the Joker had initiated this then, yes, I could agree. But this is their party which the Joker crashes." What the hell is mean? Please answer me.
Also for the last part Joker is crazy and smart like Hannibal. His actions are unpredictable.
Clearly the one who post this is a retarded. He focus on things that only a kid can't get. Also, a site for what is bad about TDK? What a waste of time.

The thing that I found funny is that it's not even your opinion. You read the opinion of someone else and you just post it as it is something you though. First find your arguments and then talk to me, retard.
TheShadow
TheShadow - 6/28/2011, 2:56 PM
@Jimmyjam
...
What holes are there? If there are so many, then surely you can elaborate. Oh wait, your a child who can't even put a series of comments toegether. I love MArvel and DC but I'm not a stuck up fanboy that attacks a good movie because it is good. And yes, TDK is a comic book moive, just because it is a CBM does not mean there needs to ba a lot of explosions and flying people, which is something you obviously what you like. Learn how to rate a movie by what it is, and not what you want it to be. What is stupid and unrealistic about the movie...you speak so much of it. But as I watch it, I can't find anything. You have no proof...So please, stop acting like a so called four year old.
PaulRom
PaulRom - 6/28/2011, 3:49 PM
@JimyJam, please put in comments that show that you're more than a troll. If there's as many plotholes in TDK as you're saying, you can give at least one. Otherwise, it shows that you're just mad that the film's as widely accepted as it is.
SpiderFan35
SpiderFan35 - 6/28/2011, 7:05 PM
There are always a few problems with any movie plot (not just CBMs), some more than others. I think Nolan's attempt at more realistic crime drama makes everyone more critical of the plot 'hiccups' than in other CBMs.

Imagine some of the nonsense we have put up with in other CBMs. I think these are pretty livable in comparison.
TheShadow
TheShadow - 6/30/2011, 6:27 AM
@Jimmyjam
Well...
We asked you for the holes...and I still see no holes. Why???
Oh, I get it.
There is no holes!!!!!!!!!!
Superheromoviefan
Superheromoviefan - 6/30/2011, 11:09 AM
@jimyjam1991 - How can you think Joker is invincible? Did he deflect bullets?
They didn't leave joker in a room unhandcuffed by himself. Are you blind? There was a policeman with him.
There was time. Joker escaped when it was still night. He blows up the hospital at afternoon. Maroni said it.
"robbing banks by crashing school buses through walls and just driving away happily." Where's the plot hole?
"if the water evaporator evaporates all water in the city then every human would be evaporates since we are made primarily of water" Ok what? Are you stupid? It evaporates the water in liquid form.
You love the Transformers and TDK has plot holes? Transformers don't have? As I can see you are a dumass who just don't accept the truth. It's not we are in denial, it's you. Learn first the differents of a bad movie(Transformers: rotf) and a great one(TDK).
TheShadow
TheShadow - 6/30/2011, 5:09 PM
@Jimmyjam
First of all, Two-Faces condition is realistic. Two-Faces faces was serverely burned exposing the tissue, in which a thick scar tissue went over. Although he would need eye drops for the eye. Second, Joker is a mastermind and has a lot of people working with him, and cops aren't as smart as you see in CSI, c'mon man they're GCPD. Joker was left hancuffed, you need to watch the movie.
Also, stop being an @$$ and enjoy a good movie. You see a movie for enjoyment, not to complain about every little thing. If you complain like this against TDK, I can't image about what you say about other movies. Besides, TDK is a hell of a lot more realistic than a man who can fly or a man who shoots webs.
You need to watch the movie, and research what happens. Because, everything in TDK is realistic or a least possible.
And why do have the same come back every time, and it's a bad one. Every one of your statements can easily be countered...
So, in the end you need to do something called research, and learn. That is where you will learn the truth about realism, and how to judge a movie. Because, TDK is good, and you are in a very unpopular denial.
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