What is Christopher Nolan's CBM Philosophy?

What is Christopher Nolan's CBM Philosophy?

Apparently he believes that the long history of comic books is rather "irrelevant" to making a great comic-based film.

By multipurposeponi - Feb 11, 2010 09:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman
Source: MTV Splash Page




The director of two successful Batman film is not only gearing up for a third, but has been chosen by Warner Brothers to mentor the next Superman project. The director's 'realistic' take on the Batman franchise has garnered praise from worldwide audiences.

In a 2008 interview with MTV News promoting the release of The Dark Knight, Nolan discussed his motivation behind helming the iconic character's cinematic re-visioning:

“I think of it as a film that just exists in the cinematic realm," he explained, "I don't think of it as a comic book movie or just a comic book movie — and that's something that in the whole process — where from the screenwriting point of view or the production point of view and with all departments and everything we would never let people off the hook with the notion 'it's a comic book movie.'"

"We just tried to make a movie that stands as a movie. The fact that it happens to be based on a long history of this comic book character I think is irrelevant — I think it's on us to make a great movie and not rely on the fact that it's a comic book movie or excuse certain things because it's a comic book movie. We didn't want to do either; we just wanted to make as great of a movie that we possibly could.”

During the same press junket, Nolan went into detail about how Batman's film universe; specifically, how it doesn't leave room for other DC comic heroes:

“I don’t think our Batman, our Gotham, lends itself to that kind of cross-fertilization. It goes back to one of the first things we wrangled with when we first started putting the story together: Is this a world in which comic books already exist? Is this a world in which superheroes already exist? If you think of “Batman Begins” and you think of the philosophy of this character trying to reinvent himself as a symbol, we took the position — we didn’t address it directly in the film, but we did take the position philosophically — that superheroes simply don’t exist. If they did, if Bruce knew of Superman or even of comic books, then that’s a completely different decision that he’s making when he puts on a costume in an attempt to become a symbol. It’s a paradox and a conundrum, but what we did is go back to the very original concept and idea of the character. In his first appearances, he invents himself as a totally original creation. It’s a different universe. It’s a different way of looking at it. Now, it’s been done successfully, very successfully, in the comics so I don’t dispute it as an approach. It just isn’t the approach we took. We had to make a decision for Batman Begins.”

With the gears turning on a sequel to The Dark Knight and the possibility of a new, albeit rebooted, Superman film, it seems that Nolan is the key player Warner Brothers has selected to mesh their cinematic comic characters together. Will Nolan's influence on other DC heroes be just what comic fans want to see, or is it a recipe for disaster?


Information courtesy of MTV and Slashfilm.com


MPP - The fact that he doesn't seem to be keen on drawing from the source material OR complimenting Batman's story with other mainstream DC characters never sat easy with me. I liked The Dark Knight a lot and it was a solid movie, but I think it lost some of the edge that made Batman Begins a great film; namely, venturing further away from being about a comic book character. What worries most is when he says, "We did take the position philosophically — that superheroes simply don’t exist." Really? Because Superman is an older character than Batman. . .
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LEEE777
LEEE777 - 2/11/2010, 9:27 AM
Of course he does!!

Lets hope he don't [frick] up SUPERMAN! ; p


And WORLDS FINEST all the way!!


MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/11/2010, 9:31 AM
I see nothing wrong with his philosophy. If you set out to make a "comic book movie" your always going to be limited by those constraints. I don't think he meant any disrespect to comics here..only that it wasn't the over all factor in how he made his movie. He wanted to make a great movie..be it based on a comic, book, theme park or cartoon..and he did.

So tea, the dude in the Bat suit didn't give it away no?;)
ManhuntersBastardChild
ManhuntersBastardChild - 2/11/2010, 9:33 AM
I dig that! The structure of the screen is extremely different from that of the comic book panel. I agree with him completely that the main focus of any director taking on any movie, should be to first make a good movie, and then later appease the various fan boys and girls etc. right on, nolan!

Leee, he is not in a position to fu_k up supes because he is playing a ceremonial role...he really has no say as to what ends up on the screen.
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 2/11/2010, 9:35 AM
this is exactly what the movies need. someone worried about the people going to see the FILMS and not the ones that have read the comics. take care of the first one and the second one comes easy.
whoever doesn't like his philosophy - name me one great CBM that fans of comics didn't like. this guy is just more focused on making a good movie than a good adaptation.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 2/11/2010, 9:35 AM
ManhuntersBastardChild @ Lets hope so dude! Still its not FOX at least! : p
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/11/2010, 9:37 AM
But Tea, thats just what you consider bland, I consider it intense and dramatic. You like more action in movies..I like more character development. The action happened in Nolan's movies it just wasn't ABOUT the action. And when it did, it was amazing because it wasn't constant. The costume did go a bit over the top in TDK alright..but I would still prefer it to an Adam West spandex special any day!
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/11/2010, 9:45 AM
If your talking about the last dust up in the building when he uses the weird sonar spec things then that was a bit dark and quick. But all the other stuff with the Joker in the cell, the truck flip, the rocket launcher, the club scrap...you didn't find that thrilling?

Also, I hear a lot of folks talk about expecting more action in a Batman movie. Why exactly? Which batman comics are you reading? Because the best Batman stories I have read(Arkham Asylum, The Killing Joke, Year One, TDKR) are all fairly light on action and much more about what makes the characters tick.
Shadowelfz
Shadowelfz - 2/11/2010, 9:45 AM
Good philosophy. He wants to concentrate on making a great film without having to follow the comic books verbatim. A lot of fans will balk at that (at least the purists will) but I think those fans have to realize that we are working with two different mediums here, so the trick is pulling the best from both worlds.

For example, in comics, characters can have perfect olympian bodies and wear colorful costums, but in a movie, there are few actors and actresses with those kind of measurements, and (in some cases) those bright costumes look silly. On the flip side, movies follow certain formula to build up suspense, keep watchers enraptured, and send em off with a bang at the climax. Instead of having entire arcs to play this through, they have ninety minutes, so things have to be severely clipped or changed to fulifill that. Another convention we see in films is, in the climax, the antagonist usually dies or is otherwise incapacitated, leaving the viewer to feel that the threat is over and they can go forth to the happy ending. This obviously doesnt work in the comics very well as killing the villian each arc would mean no chance of bringing them back, and forcing the writer to constantly create new ones. Of course there are exceptions, but by and large it would be better to have a cool villian stick around then killing him or her off just a scant few issues after introducing them.
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 2/11/2010, 9:55 AM
His philosophy is sound. However, I'm not sure it's the best move by WB handing over the reigns of their comic book movieverse foundation to a bloke who openly states he doesn't like superheroes! Even if that was a miss quote or out of context he has proven it to be true. His Batman movies are fantastic but only because the realsim works with the character. Even with that in mind, I felt that Batman himself was pushed into being a supporting character rather than the lead and as good as Nolan is in almost every aspect of movie making, he can't direct action for toffee! He made Bale, an extremely good screen fighter, look like a bumbling baffoon! He only seems to look on the surface of comic characters. An area where the villain is so much more exciting an the hero is therefore a bland addition to the movie. If he would only climb out of his arse and peel back the layers of our heroes he will start focusing on them more.

I know he's not directing these other movies but I am still concerned. It could be an awesome move and I hope it is but I remain skeptical.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/11/2010, 9:55 AM
hahah, well I give up then. If you found The Joker dancing on Batman and vicki vale's hands at the end of Burton's movie more exiting than all that stuff we have very different definitions of the word:)

Also, addressing Multi's addition to the article there. I also thought it was a mistake to go down that road if any cross pollination was wanted..but, apparently now so does Nolan! Who's to say that he hasn't had a change of heart? Certainly seems that way if he is indeed "god fathering" Superman. Also, he never said he "didn't like super heroes", he admits that it works very well in the comics. He just approached it a different way to make the best movie HE could..what more could you ask? Its his movie! If he was able to get into the mind of Bruce Wayne easier knowing that the character wasn't aware of the existence of super hero's then thats his prerogative. Sure we all would have preferred a different take, but we still got a great movie in the end didn't we?
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 2/11/2010, 10:00 AM
im gonna have to side with Ror on this one i think. batman is always best when it's cerebral. and hand to hand combat is his specialty so big action isn't necessary in a bat movie.

however i do see where tea is coming from with the way the action scenes were cut and edited. but i think that's only because they had to try very hard to make the movie PG13. so they had to allude to a lot of violence happening without showing you any. i heard they had a guy from the MPAA on set every day to make sure what they were getting was ok for a PG13 rating.
wussupman
wussupman - 2/11/2010, 10:01 AM
Wow ! I had know idea that not only he feels the source material is irrelevant , he neglected so much of the characters potential development . It's almost like he shot himself in the foot . He didn't close the door on crossovers but he sure made it difficult , it's seems like his take on "Superman" would just be a dude from space .
DrRockit13
DrRockit13 - 2/11/2010, 10:02 AM
i think this is the perfect way to look at a charecter like batman. he is a regular man with o super powers, no special abilities. he sees injustice and wants to end it. he trains and learns ways to be better but still only being a man. this is really possible. granted i like justice league adn all of the other super heroes and batman can work in their universe, but they can't work in his. nolan did an excelant job depicting this character. as to comic book movies, following the source material, there was a recent interview posted on this site with james franco about the new spiderman reboot. he said that it would work becasue the comics get new writers adn artists all the time. makeing a comic into a movie is jsut a new way of teling the story. the directer is mearly showing his adaptation of the story. sometimes it doesn't really work when they change thnings (x-men 3, spiderman 3, batman and robin, wade wilson/deadpool in origins, to name a few) and of course things that look good in the comics or as animated features on tv can look goo, but when you put them on a real preson and try to make them look as they could actaly happen, sometimes doesn't work and need to be changed to be more realistic. i wouldn't want Christian bale running around chicago in tights. so even though every one wants the directer to stick to the source material, he can't always do so.
Saemus13
Saemus13 - 2/11/2010, 10:03 AM
Batman is a great character for his cinematic style....superman not so much, totally different type of story and plot...no matter how you try superman will always be a "comic book movie"...he can try all he wants...he better learn to embrace the history of a character like superman because it's not gritty, it's a fantastic intergalactic boy scout story that needs it's comic foundation...I disagree with rors interpretation of his words...
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 2/11/2010, 10:05 AM
ror - you talk a good talk but I think it's more a change of bank balance than a change of heart.
A7
A7 - 2/11/2010, 10:11 AM
So does this mean he is recomending an origin story for superman? like he did w/ batman or is he basing the character on the previous movies or even the comic? or is the studio just tacking his name on to create a buzz?
WHATS WRONG WITH YOU HOLLYWOOD - YOU HAVE A MILLION COMIC BOOK FANS WHO HAVE SPOKEN AND CAN BASICALLY AGREE ON A SCENERIO FOR MOST COMIC BOOK MOVIES, YET YOU STILL DECIDE ON WHATEVER THE MTV CROWD SAYS AND END UP WITH ELEKTRA.
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 2/11/2010, 10:14 AM
it's not the 'lack' of action that's the issue. I agree that Batman is not as explosive as other characters. Nolan got the action levels right. The problem is his coreography when it comes to fight scenes. BB was fantastic as you hardly saw it, Batman just struck hard and fast from the shadows. TDK however attempted to show more combat (as Batman) and turned a good screen fighter into a hopeless hack.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/11/2010, 10:17 AM
Ron..your probably right! But still, a change is a change!

MisterFixit
MisterFixit - 2/11/2010, 10:18 AM
WB/DC first knows Nolan's philosophy.It's for this reason that they want him only as a godfather. It's a smart move, which serves only to avoid compromising future crossovers. Their way to tell him:"ehy Chris.. Ok realism,ok everything you want. But remember that NOW we are entering your batman in OUR cinematic realm. So if you want to be sure you like the way we do it,do it yourself"
A7
A7 - 2/11/2010, 10:19 AM
that pic of Nolan is how he looks at the guy at the unrinal next to him.
SHHH
SHHH - 2/11/2010, 10:23 AM
He's done alright so far.. He's done better than most..
jjmeylar
jjmeylar - 2/11/2010, 10:31 AM
ok?
batfan39
batfan39 - 2/11/2010, 10:33 AM
When Detective #27 first was published, there was only one superhero... Superman. At that time he was sticking pretty close to Metropolis back then. So in this movie timeline, it makes perfect sense for Bats to not know of any other heroes. The explosion of heroes didn't really happen until the mid-early 40's and then again in the 70's and 80's. In the beginning... Superman and Batman were it.

As a lifelong DC guy, I'm happy with what I'm hearing. Slowly opening doors.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/11/2010, 10:37 AM
His philosophy is what seperates his movies from other CMBs. If Sam Raimi or Brett Ratner (maybe not Ratner) had set out to just make the best films posible instead of passing off dumb ideas simply as by-products of their source material than maybe we would have a few more "Dark Knights" on our hands. Think of all the different CMBs that would be made if every CMB grossed over $400 million and garnered universal acclaim.
Macksimus
Macksimus - 2/11/2010, 10:38 AM
There's nothing wrong with that philosophy as long as you deliver a quality a movie.

We all have our own opinions on how a CBM should play out, but even if our own expectations aren't meant, all that matters is if we enjoyed the movie or not.

...I, for one, enjoy Nolan's take on Batman very much.
DDD
DDD - 2/11/2010, 10:42 AM
Realism is good but too much realism in a DC comic book movie
is a killer! Nolanverse does not fit into the DCverse and that
is not good no matter how you slice it! How are they gonna
segue into the other DC characters now that he hasn't made a
comic book adaptation!

That's what comic book movies are...Comic book adaptations!
They are not meant precisely for the real world! Now that
Nolan has made a real-world Batman how can you fit him back
into a comic book superhero world without losing credibility?
Ya can't!

It's OK to make a credible comic book world but it will
never fit into the real world! It is erroneous to try to!
He is wrong about not looking at the source material but
trying to make a good movie for its own sake! Superhero
movies are supposed to be adaptations! No wonder Hollywood
is making such crap CBM's! They are ignoring the sorce
material! That is not good scriptwriting to ignore the
source material when doing an adaptation!
MisterFixit
MisterFixit - 2/11/2010, 10:42 AM
Brasilian@ no need to worry. We just need a hint to the existence of "others". You will have a great third(and last who knows how long) movie,then neither Nolan nor Bale will return.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 2/11/2010, 10:45 AM
ASIDE FROM WHATEVER NOLAN SAID...THE MOVIE ---FACT---WAS DAMN GOOD AND IM NOT COMPLAINING.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/11/2010, 10:48 AM
Yeah, the social experiment thing on the ferry at the end was a tad dissapointing for me too. You'd think that if he can rig an entire hospital with bombs, with limited time, in the middle of the day, he would beable to do something a little better for the finale.
A7
A7 - 2/11/2010, 10:51 AM
nolan had/has a good reinvention of batman, 2 and hopefully 3 solid stories, let his batman's story end there instead of having some other shmcuck pick up the reigns and do what he thinks is "nolans" batman. throughout the comic line batman has been reinvented a few times. next person up should create a batman whose character is in the superhero universe and can cross w/ other heroes such as superman.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/11/2010, 10:52 AM
DDD, you missed the point.
DDD
DDD - 2/11/2010, 10:53 AM
The first Nolan Batman was in the slightly unreal world
of superheroes with super baddies and all. But then Nolan
went completely real-world and screwed up what he had started
in Begins!

TDK was a great movie but it wasn't a Batman movie at all!
It was a vigilante with high-tech armor and weapons fighting
an anarchy-loving crime boss! It was a Film Noir Detective
movie! A throwback to movies like CHINATOWN!

I think it was a mistake for a Superhero movie! It has
totally taken Batman out of the comic world and put him
into the hard boiled detective world!

It doesn't fit the rest of the DCverse!
A7
A7 - 2/11/2010, 10:53 AM
nolan had/has a good reinvention of batman, 2 and hopefully 3 solid stories, let his batman's story end there instead of having some other shmcuck pick up the reigns and do what he thinks is "nolans" batman. throughout the comic line batman has been reinvented a few times. next person up should create a batman whose character is in the superhero universe and can cross w/ other heroes such as superman.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/11/2010, 10:53 AM
Brazil will lose!
EpicMan
EpicMan - 2/11/2010, 10:55 AM
The scene from Batman Begins when the doctor fall under the effect of his own halucinagen and sees batman was my favorite scene out of both movies folowed closley by any scene with Heath Ledger
KeithM
KeithM - 2/11/2010, 10:55 AM
@MPP: What worries most is when he says, "We did take the position philosophically — that superheroes simply don’t exist." Really?

What he's saying there, I think, is that from Bruce Wayne's point of view, there were no precedents - no Superman in his world, no other "masked adventurers", no capes... Nolan's premise was that Bruce Wayne basically invented the very idea of a "superhero".

But that very point also gives the rest of the DCU an in... We all know that Supes was the first for "real", but I don't see why in the DCNolaniverse Batman can't be the first instead.

In other words, while no superheroes may have existed when Bruce started, as the Joker implied, once the Pandora's Box is opened... all bets are off.

They could imply that Superman was doing his thing before donning the cape and it was Batman that gave him the idea to "suit up" and get all symbolic in the first place (don't stone me for blasphemy, just throwing it out there). Supes could still then go on to be the inspiration for others precisely because he is the exact opposite to Bats in how he goes about the job (and which could set up some nice philosophical problems for the characters to wrestle with).

Maybe at the end of the credits in Batman 3, Maxwell Lord could turn up at the mansion and say "You think you're the only superhero in the world? Mr. Wayne, you've become part of a bigger universe. You just dont know it yet." ;)
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 2/11/2010, 10:55 AM
DDD, Nolan did exactly what he wanted to do and everyone loved it but you.
DDD
DDD - 2/11/2010, 10:58 AM
What are you talking about @Ryguy?
I missed the point! I didn't miss anything!
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