EDITORIAL: Is CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER More Of A Steve Rogers Movie?

EDITORIAL: Is CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER More Of A Steve Rogers Movie?

Using a Sherlock Holmes-like investigative method with source, visual, print and interview information, it is being deduced that Captain America: The Winter Soldier is a Steve Rogers movie, not a Cap movie. Read more after the jump...

Editorial Opinion
By TheDailySuperHero - Jun 04, 2013 10:06 AM EST




Having only seen a couple set photos, of actor Chris Evans suited up in his brand new superhero suit for Captain America: The Winter Soldier, it is time for an investigation.

First, it needs to be said that since there is still a lot of filming left for the sequel things may change. Although, right now only one known instance of Evans being suited up in his new attire has been revealed online from a Los Angeles location (you can see that photo below). Nothing from set photos in Washington D.C. and in Cleveland (so far).

So the question needs to be asked. Is this really a Steve Rogers movie more than a Captain America movie?

From what has been seen on location and in set photos the signs are pointing one way more than the other. So the conclusion must be made that we will see Steve Rogers more in regular clothes, and out of his superhero duds than in them.

Two sources have told The Daily SuperHero this is more of a Steve Rogers movie. A third source also mentioned how in a past interview with Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige, there was a sense in the room that Captain America: The Winter Soldier was going to be heavier on Steve Rogers than it would be with him suited up as the Cap'n.

Another telling sign that this is a Steve Rogers-heavy movie is from the recently released Marvel Studios book, "Marvel's Iron Man 3: The Art of the Movie." In this book, there is a quote from Iron Man 3 executive producer Steve Broussard where he said, "We [Marvel executives] made the decision that, post-Avengers, wherever possible, these [Phase 2] movies were going back into their own worlds."

In Captain America's case, it's Steve Rogers' world. Rogers is already known to be working with S.H.I.E.L.D. in the sequel but his ability to transition from 70 years ago to the modern day is a big part of the movie as well. And it seems like his transition will be addressed in the new Cap film.

Especially when you look at the title of the sequel. Based on this, comic book fans know how personal Captain America 2 will be for Rogers.

Nothing is certain right now and we may see more of Cap in his suit and less of Rogers in casual clothes in the coming weeks of filming. But it is definitely reason for discussion and debate until more is seen and/or known from the set of Cap 2 and until it hits theaters in April.





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TheManFromMars
TheManFromMars - 6/4/2013, 10:43 AM
You know, I really don't understand why people have such a beef with the characters not using the hero's costume during the most part of the movie.

"This is the Spider-man movie. Not the Peter Parker movie!" Well, Spider-man IS Peter Parker so, what are you complaining about?

For me, the hero is the character NOT the costume. It's the man behind the mask NOT the mask.

Like people say IM3 was "Tony Stark 3" even though Tony didn't use the armor that much either in IM1. Seriously, the bulk of Iron Man 1 (and 2 and 3 for that matter) is he out of the suit!

Might as well say that Thor is not Thor because he's not donning his [frick]ing helmet (and I know there are people who do think like that)!

Sorry for my rant.
ndwwrestler2
ndwwrestler2 - 6/4/2013, 11:09 AM
@TheManFromMars
TheWolverine08
TheWolverine08 - 6/4/2013, 11:10 AM
@TheManFromMars Excellent, just excellent my friend!
jessepostal
jessepostal - 6/4/2013, 11:11 AM
The first movie was a Steve Rodgers movie, and I loved it. So was batman begins, iron man, Spider-Man 2, supes 2, pretty much all the good ones.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 6/4/2013, 11:12 AM
There is a difference in Tony not being in the suit enough in IM to IM3. IM is an origin movie. Half the film you tell his origin.

On topic: I hope Captain America isn't focused on Steve. I'm not a fan of comic book films being something deeper and more meaningful. I don't need emotion in the character. I prefer it if every comic book movie is just the same like it has been. New villain comes in, hero battles him and defeats him in the end.

I'm tired of making superhero films something bigger. At least that's what SludgeTroll said.

/sarcasm

;P

Serious mode: I do think this will be the best Marvel movie. This could be something great and powerful. We need a great Captain America movie. Yes First Avenger was good but if you look any Marvel film not staring Iron Man has yet to gross 500 million. I hope this film is to Cap what TDK was to Batman. We could be in for something special.

And the film is being filmed in Cleveland!!! [frick] yea. [frick] you Detroit!!!
Sto0pidpenguinpro
Sto0pidpenguinpro - 6/4/2013, 11:12 AM
This question can be summed up with the same dramatic question from Iron Man 3. Does the suit make the man, or does the man make the suit?
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 6/4/2013, 11:13 AM
If this was The Hulk we were taking about that's be one thing, but honestly I feel this is kinda moot. Rogers IS Captain America, it's not a dual identity. Ok sometimes he wears a costume with a mask covering his face, but even if that is shown to a lesser degree in this movie I really don't think it's going to be something fans feel is that big a deal.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 6/4/2013, 11:13 AM
I with you TheManFromMars, I mean yes I would love to see more of Cap's suit, but as long as the story is strong, It doesn't matter if the suit never makes an appearance in the film for me. I brought this up earlier on a different article.
DefcoN
DefcoN - 6/4/2013, 11:13 AM
@TheManFromMars I agree. CA:TWS needs to take focus on Steve Rogers adapting to the modern world. I always thought that the deleted scenes of him in The Avengers should have been included because you really feel empathy for the guy.
Humperdink
Humperdink - 6/4/2013, 11:15 AM
Wait...why wouldn't it be a Steve Rogers movie?
Iron Man has always been a 'Tony Stark' movie.

They both dress up as heroes but in the end of the day, it should be about who they really are.

He seriously deserves some more character development.
Hopefully he'll get on par with Tony Stark.
JCYates
JCYates - 6/4/2013, 11:15 AM
Let's not forget the storyboard of him leaping towards a plane in his suit as well, though not the suit from the blurry BTS shots, it is still obviously intended to be a suited up action scene.
Humperdink
Humperdink - 6/4/2013, 11:18 AM
Just read your post @TheManFromMars...better said than me.

You get it.



RocknSntchRvlvr
RocknSntchRvlvr - 6/4/2013, 11:20 AM
That's just dumb. Why even change the suit then if you're going to hardly use it? Phase 2 seems a bit less exciting...
PC04
PC04 - 6/4/2013, 11:20 AM
The costume does not make the hero...or does it? Thats what IM3 spent its time answering.

Despite all the complaints about IM3, I loved seeing Tony Stark use his brain outside of the shell of Iron Man. He proved that Tony Stark makes Iron Man and Iron Man is not just when he puts on the armor.

Steve Rogers IS Captain America, suit or not suit. The suit is nothing more than a symbol. Steve is the vessel that contains the power, the morals, the bravery,the honor that will be tested throughout the course of his adventures.

The costume is a bonus. Seeing these characters we love brought to life in the movie is the real reward.
CuddlyCereal
CuddlyCereal - 6/4/2013, 11:20 AM
Doesn't really matter as much with Steve. The suit doesnt actually do anything for him. He's pretty much always Captain America.
TheClemster
TheClemster - 6/4/2013, 11:20 AM
@TheManFromMars

You do have a good point mate and I do agree with you but trying to put myself in everyone's shoes I think that what people like about these heroes is that they hare heroes in "colors".

For a long time the comic book culture was something judged silly by the majority and maybe there is here a fear that by making these heroes less super with less of costume / suit action. Also that it will take away from the cultural dimension they cherish.

I am happy no matter what because we truly live in a fricking awesome time. My favorites books being transposed to the screen is just awesome in itself so I don't nitpick and I still take joy in watching movies such as GL or the first Hulk because it is just too cool to see my heroes from back when I was a kid on screen.

Now I also think people love to complain :)

anyway, love to you all... even Gusto and blackandyellow (and they support the pens ;) )
NoAssemblyReqd
NoAssemblyReqd - 6/4/2013, 11:21 AM
Argh. An editorial based on fragments of information and set photos and videos taken out of context?
Extremis
Extremis - 6/4/2013, 11:25 AM
Well they are doing it like im3 with tony more and im less.

As long as bucky does'nt turn out to be an actor like trevor i m ok with it.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 6/4/2013, 11:30 AM
My comic history may not be huge but what does Rogers do when he's not Cap? I just don't picture him having a job or being worried about a secret identity. Rogers is the same person in the suit as he is when he's not wearing it. The same can be said about Flash, Superman, Spider-Man, Wolverine and others.

At the moment, Batman & Daredevil are the only 2 heroes that I can think of that act different wearing the suit and when their not.
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 6/4/2013, 11:34 AM
I strongly feel this will be The Dark Knight for Marvel. An instant classic. If This movie is great, we could have a potential great CBM trilogy or even more. I want this movie to be a thriller, not the average superhero movie.

As much as I like Iron Man 3, it was just too cliched for me. But I want this movie to be a lot more. I have high hopes. Don't disappoint RUSSOS!
SFCamerica
SFCamerica - 6/4/2013, 11:34 AM
@levitikus - really, dude? What about Superman, Spiderman, and nearly every other Human superhero.

For the record, Steve Rogers is Cap all the time, we are soldiers 24 hours a day, so this is a really dumb editorial from the beginning.
Sparrowsabre7
Sparrowsabre7 - 6/4/2013, 11:38 AM
@Manfrommars

I get what you're saying, but I think few movies have a compelling enough alter ego to do that. It's one of the reasons I disliked Hulk. I liked Thor, Cap, and IM because the characters were still interesting out of costume. That is the main beef I think.
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 6/4/2013, 11:39 AM
I GET IT..MARVEL IS HUMANIZING HEROS...BUT I'LL TELL YOU THE FREAKING TRUTH, I HONESTLY CAME TO WATCH THE SUPERHERO.....NOT THE DRAMA OR THE GUY WITHOUT THE COSTUME AND WHAT, I'M SORRY BUT IF I'M GONNA PAY THAT FREAKING 10 OR 12 BUCKS NOT TO MENTION THE 20 TO FORTY BUCKS FOR SNACKS AN POPCORN...I WANT A SUPERHERO MOVIE WITH THE COSTUMES AND THE POWERS AND THE ACTION...REALLY.
norseman79
norseman79 - 6/4/2013, 11:42 AM
So after avengers proved definitively that colorfully costumed characters CAN work on the big screen, let's just take them all out of what we had working there and go with the opposite.

I do think Cap 2 will be a fairly decent flick or better, but after iron man 3 I'm not expecting guaranteed greatness.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 6/4/2013, 11:43 AM
SFCamerica

What point of mine are you attacking because I don't understand what you mean.
superotherside
superotherside - 6/4/2013, 11:44 AM
He's still the same guy in or out of costume. He has no secret id in this universe. So there is really nothing different between the two.

That said I'm glad they will concentrate on Steve as a person. That's what I've really loved about Evan's performance with Cap. Yes, he is a good man. A legend. But he is a person. He has emotions. Conflicts. Like everyone else. He just chooses to be the best no matter what. And I respect and look up to the character because of that.
gamecreatorjj
gamecreatorjj - 6/4/2013, 11:45 AM
I don't like this, Captain America did it well, and so did Avengers, and TDKR, but i think the Dark Knight did it best, there is alot of Bruce Wayne and plenty of Batman, they almost exchanged scenes, with every other scene being Bruce or Batman, Iron Man 3 pooped because Ironman was only really in 2 scenes, the rest seemed like Die Hard with Tony Stark, and that may be cool in some respect, its not Iron Man
wcwpoet
wcwpoet - 6/4/2013, 11:46 AM
In terms of Captain America being out of the suit it doesn't matter to me because he's still Captain America. Now Iron Man being out of the suit people will say something well because that's his powers it's his suit, so if he's not in it kind of hard to see him doing cool stuff when he's out of it. Now I commend Shane Black and crew for what they did do in IM3 with him out of the suit most of the time. As for Spider-Man there's a reason he wears the suit that's to protect his identity so him being constantly out of it makes it hard to protect. It doesn't matter with Cap because you know who he is anyway.
SugarYumYum
SugarYumYum - 6/4/2013, 11:46 AM
@LEVITKUZ: "My comic history may not be huge but what does Rogers do when he's not Cap? I just don't picture him having a job or being worried about a secret identity."

The Golden Age has him as a Clark Kent like goofy foot soldier that always got in trouble with his superior when he wasn't Captain America. The most common depiction I've seen has him though is as an art student before the war. In Man out of Time, it's suggested he probably would have finished school and become a freelance artist after the war.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 6/4/2013, 11:48 AM
This is the way I see it.
In the First Avenger, it's all about the world making a place for Captain America. Seriously, it's like when you go to the hospital and you've got TONS of paperwork to fill out. Then they take your blood pressure, your weight, sometimes your temperature, and then let you sit in an exam room on a plastic bed with a tear-out paper sheet streaming across it. You sit there between 15-45 minutes if you're lucky, and then it's time to be admitted.

So then you're either walked down a series of hallways or wheeled in a chair to your room where it's dark and not so much creepy as it is just boring. If you're very lucky, the person leading you in will also tear open a square package containing an alcohol wipe to sterilize a certain area of skin on your arm/hand. And then comes the magic, the little prick. And suddenly you are then completely at their mercy. All illusions of trying to just excuse yourself are gone, you ARE going to leave when they want you to.

...

Ok, so Cap wasn't like that, but you get the picture.

From the production pics, the spy photos, and the basic premise, it looks to be as though Steve is going to be ripping that IV out of his freakin arm, slapping his own little band-aid on the hole, and getting to work.

And that's what we all want to see.
PsyGuy
PsyGuy - 6/4/2013, 11:48 AM
I don't understand this editorial... Steve Rogers IS Cap.

I guess the only way you could say this is a "Steve Rogers Movie" is if the entire movie was based on his adjustment to living in present day.
ralfinader
ralfinader - 6/4/2013, 11:49 AM
@ManFromMars - Well said and I agree completely.

@Levi in serious mode - Well said and I agree completely... except the Detroit dis!

The Cleveland stuff we have seen so far is telling my inner Sherlock that this was an ambush on the heroes, and they got caught in their civvies.
Orphix
Orphix - 6/4/2013, 11:49 AM
@TheManFromMars.

Well done mate, totally nailed it.

I think most of us watch films cos we wanna see interesting characters. Three dimensional characters, ones we actually give a shit about.

Costumes, powers and action sequences bring the wow - but they never hold interest for long. It's the characters who makes us rewatch the films time and time again.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 6/4/2013, 11:52 AM
Wait, we're really talking about his costume?
Ever gone to work before, clocked in, and then had your manager take you aside and asked if you slept in your uniform because it's so wrinkled? And you don't really care because you're just going to sweat and get dirty in that shirt anyway, so what difference is it really gonna make?

That's how I'm looking at this article now.
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