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Cameron Blatantly Steals For Avatar Plot?

Far too many similarities between old SCI FI novel and Cameron's upcoming 3D epic.
Below is a synopsis of the 1957 book in question -



Call Me Joe centers on a paraplegic — Ed Anglesey — who telepathically connects with an artificially created life form in order to explore a harsh planet (in this case, Jupiter). Anglesey, like Avatar's Jake Sully, revels in the freedom and strength of his artificial created body, battles predators on the surface of Jupiter, and gradually goes native as he spends more time connected to his artificial body.

The book is in the SCI-FI hall of fame and the author of the novel actually wrote another novel called Avatar.

Wow. That's far - far too similiar to Cameron's film for the writer (or his family) to NOT take legal action. I would. SHUT IT DOWN JAMES - THIS ISN'T GOOD!
4 Yes
2 No
Keven
10/26/2009
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86 Comments

That creature on the cover is even blue, hmmm
thwhtGuardian - 10/26/2009, 4:21 PM
I think it's a little late to shut it down. Plus, this IS an old concept. So much so that no one cares if he "stole" it. It's like if you wrote a story about star crossed lovers. It's not the originality of the concept, it's the execution of the concept that matters.
Betty - 10/26/2009, 4:22 PM
Anyone else notice how much the scenes in Avatar look like "Yes" album covers?

Betty - 10/26/2009, 4:27 PM
Oh, and it's called creative borrowing.

Betty - 10/26/2009, 4:29 PM
@Betty- that looks very close!

If memory serves, Cameron got into trouble with The Terminator for poaching ideas. The writer Harlan Ellison, I believe, who after a court-case is now recoginzed on the credits of the film
invalensname - 10/26/2009, 4:40 PM
@ Betty - thing is.....Creative borrowing and making a story about a GIANT BLUE ALIEN DISEMBODIED EXPERIENCE ABOUT CAT LIKE PEOPLE?!?!

how many pools of resources about that kind of sh!t is there to borrow from? lol...I didn't know it was a huge thing....blue...cat people....and crippled guys.....using their bodies.....as vessels......etc....come on.
Keven - 10/26/2009, 4:44 PM
Damn, I thought Avatar ripped off Dances With Wolves, Ferngully, The Last Samurai, and the Matrix, but I don't think they were as obvious as this one you've posted. The similarities are undeniable.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/26/2009, 4:52 PM
Uhm, yeah that is pretty specific.

I meant just the disembodied alien experience. I've read it classic sci-fi, current sci-fi, tv sci-fi, and it's happened to me personally.lol
Betty - 10/26/2009, 4:53 PM
If you look at the trailer the humans fly in machines that have a circular engine either side.......if you watch the Incredibles there is a night time scene half way through where the exact same vehicles patrol Syndromes island. ;)
teabag - 10/26/2009, 4:54 PM
teabag-- I remember you saying that! I went back and looked and you were totally right. This whole thing is retread. Screw what I said earlier.
Betty - 10/26/2009, 4:58 PM
Betty@ i watched it the other day and spit out my coffee when i saw them flying about....lol...Cameron's lost the plot..........(so he nicked one lol ) :D
teabag - 10/26/2009, 5:16 PM
wow it ripped of a lot of thing this movie
flames809 - 10/26/2009, 5:18 PM
And of course the Avatar fanatics will be here soon to defend the "revolution to the movie industry", as they always do whenever someone makes a negative comment about the movie...
InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/26/2009, 5:26 PM
@Tyler- it is a revolution. Its a revolution how much one man can steal ideas and receive such accolades for it!
invalensname - 10/26/2009, 5:37 PM
When you look back on his career how ever good the movies are you have...

Piranha 2...wonder where he got the idea from

Terminator...we know that had issues at the time with copying

The Abyss...Deepstar six

Aliens......mmmmmm il add more people to that planet in that alien movie

T2.....not a stretch

Titanic.....all his idea lol

:P
teabag - 10/26/2009, 5:45 PM
Invalensname: LMAO dude! Though here is a bit of truth to that comment anyway ;)
InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/26/2009, 5:50 PM
Intyler@There are Avatar Fanatics?
InSpace - 10/26/2009, 6:08 PM
InSpace: Dude, where have you been for the past 2 months?! In almost every article dealing with this particular movie there is ALWAYS at least one person who will continue to defend the movie and say it's amazing, and they will attack nearly anyone who has a negative view of the film.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/26/2009, 6:19 PM
Where is Minotaur anyway lol
teabag - 10/26/2009, 6:23 PM
Poul Anderson is great! If you can check out "The Broken Sword", a pretty dark, epic fantasy story. It has vikings, trolls, lots of Norse mythology and one of my favourite depictions of elves ever. Earl Imric, who is something like the elven ruler of faerie Britain, is a sick bastard and would kick Elronds ass!

The book was first published the same year as "The Fellowship of the Ring", and you can recognize some similar themes and inspirations. But what Anderson created is not so much a heroic story about the battle between good and evil, but more like a Greek tragedy, with vengeful, scheming gods and flawed mortals who cannot escape the impending doom brought upon them by their dark desires, ambitions or simply the misfortune of a certain lineage.

What I really like about it is how big and epic the story feels (and is, actually!), although the book is not even 300 pages long. For me it's a welcome change to all the endless "sagas" some other authors tend to produce. There is little to nothing long-winded about the book, and though it might seem strange that for example one very big and important journey is summarized in merely a few pages, because “that is another story”, I think it works great.

So, if you like fantasy and haven’t read it yet: do it asap!


@topic: Haven’t read this Anderson story, but it does sound very similar to Avatar. Although it’s really not that easy to come up with something entirely original concerning Sci-Fi and fantasy, and even if you haven’t ripped off somebody’s work intentionally you should at least check if your story already exist and if so figure out how to deal with it. Anyways, I’ve not yet decided if I’m going to watch the movie. A huge hype like with Avatar usually tends to scare me off more than to entrain me. But we’ll see…
Kyos - 10/26/2009, 6:45 PM
im' surprised nobody's made fun of the book's title yet.

Personally - Cameron should just fork out a few hundo grand to the author of this book and rename his movie -

CALL ME JOE!

lol. epic name.
Keven - 10/26/2009, 7:01 PM
[frick]! Could it be a coincidence? MMmmm. Its not very likely is it?

Heeeeeeere tauro tauro tauro....
Rorschach01 - 10/26/2009, 7:33 PM
Don't worry, Minotaur will arrive soon, it's only a matter of time ya know ;)

A negative comment about Avatar is his Bat-signal!
InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/26/2009, 7:58 PM
You know, I've read "Call Me Joe" now that I think about it. It's in a book of short sci-fi stories I have. It's not very note worthy. The point of view is mostly from "Joe's" perspective in his paraplegic self. He's like a miner or something. He has an alien body that resides on the surface that he can inhabit mentally and overlooks other organisms created by humans to mine or cultivate, something. Joe is happy doing his job and escaping mentally to the surface of the planet when some guy questions his motivation for his work.

Up to this point Joe didn't realize how trapped he felt in his real body. It's like his inquisitor put the idea in his head and he acted upon it, severing his ties to his real body and killing it in the process. I don't remember his genetically created body being cat-like. But as you can tell I don't remember much of the story at all.
Betty - 10/26/2009, 8:53 PM
Wait, let me get this straight...

So, Delgo copied this book, and then Cameron copied Delgo?

...whatever.

Anyway, Cameron ran into the same problems with "Terminator." Apparently, he stole much of the concept for that movie from an "Outer Limits" story or something. So, now, in the credits of "Terminator" there is a part that says "inspired by blah blah blah."

The guy pretty much rips off everything, but who cares?
He takes someone else's ideas and makes them better IMO.

Macksimus - 10/26/2009, 9:13 PM
idc if he copies ideas. as long as he makes it his own then why complain? aliens, t2, and titantic are his best films so far. lets hope this movie proves to live to the hype, and not like the blockbuster movies of the summer...
kyle dalton - 10/26/2009, 9:16 PM
Maybe it's unintentional? It wouldn't be the first time someone has pitched an idea rolling around the back of their mind only to find out that it was based on something they read years ago as a kid or heard about a long time ago. It does happen.

One would be hard pressed to come off with a completely, uninfluenced, original idea. Not in this day and age anyway.

But if in fact he is purposely blowing the dust off old stories and pawning it off as his, then that's just douchey.
WeaponX - 10/26/2009, 9:33 PM
Has imagination plateaued?
Betty - 10/26/2009, 9:52 PM
bettty@ pretty much. ever story today is just a variation of a theme thats been around forever. theres only so much core story ideas out there. the differences are in the margins. but those can be great. i think thats the situation we have here. as you said putting consciousness into another body is an old an common sci-fi story. its the subtle differences in the characters and plot that make it different.
superdog - 10/27/2009, 7:29 AM
Superdog@ what about the incredibles vehicle design that Avatar amazingly has!? :)
teabag - 10/27/2009, 7:38 AM
Who would have thought, you can copy as many good and invenive ideas as posssible and still somehow make a shit movie.
theFACE - 10/27/2009, 7:44 AM
tea@ im sure there are plenty of other flying vehicels out there that look like that. just scour through scifi books, movies, and tv show and im sure you'll find some. and the incredible ships were automated if i recall, but the avatar ones are piloted so you obviously dont know what your talking about :)
superdog - 10/27/2009, 7:46 AM
Look, there is a big difference between using some age old story telling devices, or even "creatively borrowing" and blatantly ripping off specific plot details! I mean lets see, maybe next year Martin Scorsese will release a movie called The God-Uncle, about 3 generations of life in the Irish Mafia. And at the beginning, the God-Uncle will tell his son and heir that he will get him a big job because he is going to make the man standing in his way "an offer he dare not feckin refuse boyo". Now, would that be a "variation on a theme" or would that be stone cold stealing from the Godfather?
Rorschach01 - 10/27/2009, 7:59 AM
i duno. never seen the godfather. like peter griffen, i just cant get into it. never made it to the end, found it boring. but if he put a cows head in the bed instead of a horse head, then yes, a variation on a theme. :)
superdog - 10/27/2009, 8:04 AM
Superdog@ the vehicles im talking about only apear for a split second and and it doesnt show if people are piloting or not :P
teabag - 10/27/2009, 8:06 AM
so its just like i said, you dont know what your talking about :)
superdog - 10/27/2009, 8:12 AM
my wife found the godfather boring too.

this planet is stupid.
Keven - 10/27/2009, 8:27 AM
Who gives a [frick]. This movie looks like its going to be cool as hell.
Bandrews1 - 10/27/2009, 8:35 AM
Wouldn't be the first time this type of shit happened. There was a movie in the 80's named Troll that had a kid and a father names "Harry Potter" and "Harry Potter Jr." and they were Warlocks. Also had Sonny Bono and Julia Louise Dreyfus. Really shitty low budget movie but JK Rowlings had to have seen it. There is no way those similarities could just be a little quinky dink. It also was released like 10 years before the Harry Potter books. Besides, that movie is better than the drudgery that is a Harry Potter novel or movie.
FlashThompson - 10/27/2009, 8:52 AM
Well let's examine the facts then:

1- This movie looks like shit.
2- They overhyped it up our asses so much that i can taste it.
3- And they COPIED off of too many ideas to freakin' count. A "creatively borrowed" idea here and there isn't much to bitch about but THIS!!!!! Even a blind man would hear reason... uh, wait a minute...

Either way, from the first time i saw the trailer, it looked like shit and since i've got an outhouse full of it, why the hell would i pay through the nose for more???
Shaman - 10/27/2009, 8:55 AM
Shaman--I think it's because corporate america knows most of the population are a bunch of idiots who don't explore anything further than the tip of their penis.

Here, we are a sub, sub group of people that wont eat shit if you tell us it's pâté. Granted our niche of comic book movie lovers is climbing but most don't visit a site dedicated to these interests. We question these things because most of us know what we're talking about.

It's like Burger King. No matter in what order you put the patties, how much cheese, or if you top it with chicken fries, it's still a greasy ball of heart attack special. And people will come back for seconds because they say it's NEW and GOOD!
Betty - 10/27/2009, 9:18 AM
Good point, betty! But i think that things are coming to a change in our near future. All we need is to boycott the shit they're force feeding us. Like Avatar over here.

Next step in evolution: Stickin' it to the man!!!
Shaman - 10/27/2009, 9:33 AM
All I got to say is...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

*falls to knees, then chest*
Minotauro - 10/27/2009, 9:44 AM
Good book about man on Mars is "Man Plus".
SkunkApe1 - 10/27/2009, 9:54 AM
hell yeah to that, Betty. Agreed on all points.....

Also @ Betty: In answer to your very profound question: maybe we have "plateaued" but imagination itself is infinite so it will never truly run out.

But on the subject of Avatar, I still intend to judge it on it's own merits.

It probably will be cliche filled and yawn inducing plot wise, but if it's pretty to look at, it will have been worth it at least one time on the big screen.

If Cameron plagerized, shame on him.
DarthMulder - 10/27/2009, 9:54 AM
but they are tasty heart attack specials betty!
thwhtGuardian - 10/27/2009, 10:21 AM
Well everyone borrows some type of idea from somewhere, I havent' seen anything recently that is unrelated or has the some same plot as other movies lately. Need something truely authiencated.
Spock - 10/27/2009, 10:25 AM
Dog@ Thats makes the two of us then...wphew i was begining to feel lonely :P
teabag - 10/27/2009, 10:30 AM
I say we give him the benefit of the doubt. I mean i wrote a novel once about a post apocolyptic world and got sued because it was a little too familiar to a certain video game franchise that I had never heard of.

But my story was inspired by the same movie the f***** game was, 'A Boy and His Dog'. An unsusal and good movie starring Don Johnson I thik. Anyone ever heard of it, or can guess the game I'm talking about? Shaman knows, but is not allowed ot answer.
THEHAWK - 10/27/2009, 10:56 AM
TheHawk@ is that where he's the only guy with lead in his pencil? :)
teabag - 10/27/2009, 11:01 AM
HAWK- But we're talking about way too many similarities that came from a whole lot of different places. Your idea resembled only one other, it's not quite at the same level of "coincidence" here.
Shaman - 10/27/2009, 11:05 AM
Cameron plagiarizing other peoples Sci-Fi novels isn't that what L Ron Hubbard did. Now all James has to do is start his own wacky religion.
Dmon - 10/27/2009, 11:21 AM
@ THEHAWK Can i read it? I LOVED A Boy And His Dog!

That crazy flick was the one that inspired Mad Max I hear
DarthMulder - 10/27/2009, 11:25 AM
Dmon- Hell, he could create his own Navy!!! Comodore Cameron... has a certain ring to it, don'it???
Shaman - 10/27/2009, 11:39 AM
a boy and his dog was my favorite movie ever.
superdog - 10/27/2009, 12:05 PM
I've never heard of A Boy and His Dog. Hawk, you got sued? Damn. What game was it? Or are you not allowed to say?
Betty - 10/27/2009, 2:00 PM
was the game Fallout? lol. suck it - that's hilarious.
Keven - 10/27/2009, 2:33 PM
What the hell?
Betty - 10/27/2009, 2:44 PM
That trailer made me siezure like those Japanese kids !
SkunkApe1 - 10/27/2009, 2:51 PM
HE SAID THIS WOULD CHAGE FILMAKING...IT IS? ITS JUST A 3D MOVIE.BETTER 3D?...NO BETTER THAN CHANCE OF MEATBALLS...GRAPHICS?MAYBE IT WILL LOOK MORE IMPRESSIVE IN 3D.....STORY?EVERYBODY SEES THE STORY,WE GET THE JIST OF IT,IS IT GROUNDBREAKING?..UMM.......UHHH....WELL ITS JAMES CAMERON....HE INTRODUCED CGI....IT HAS TO BE GOOD,RIGHT?....UMMMM.....YEAH.
GUNSMITH - 10/27/2009, 3:03 PM
SkunkApe--Yeah what were they smokin'? Or not smokin'?
Betty - 10/27/2009, 3:13 PM
Simpson's did it first!

rook187 - 10/27/2009, 3:29 PM
@Teabag. Yes yes it was...

@Shaman. I know I'm just saying that we should give him the benefit of the doubt.

@Superdog. Good Boy!

@Darth Mulder. I would love ot let you man, but i am legaly obligated to not distribute the story in any form, that includes letting friends read it. But I eventually plan to rework and condense it into a fan fic here on CBM. I can alter it enough to where I will not be in breach of the agreement. And I would be receiving no monetary gain from it. It's complicated.

@Betty. Cool, you found the trailer!

it is a good, if bizare movie. It has been ranked by other directors as one of the most influential Sci FI films of all time. It practically started the Post Apocolyptic Genre.

And I was able to settle out of court on the case without having to pay anything. On the conditions that I do not mention the Game in context with my story, I am unable to publish the story or any section of its 200+ pages.

And I can not legaly say what publisher or game series it was but Kevin guessed it correctly.

@Skunkape. You should see the movi then!
THEHAWK - 10/27/2009, 3:46 PM
F-ing a i did. lol.

FALLOUT.

Thats a pretty huge franchise there hawk. D@mn dude. lol.
Keven - 10/27/2009, 3:59 PM
Is there a workprint online? Because an awful lot of you are talking like you've seen Avataar already.
Acerimmer1 - 10/27/2009, 4:06 PM
Tell me about it... i wasn't into games back in the day. This was a while back though. I was mad at the time, but now I see taht they were perfectly in their rights to do what they did and i harbor no ill will. zespecially since the people who sued me have long since lost their jobs and what remains of the company is now being skull f***ed by the new owners of the franchise.
THEHAWK - 10/27/2009, 4:12 PM
ummm. @ kevin: have you ever fricking read this book, cuz if you did you'd know the plot is nothing like that of what avatars is supposedly. dont post something like this cuz u find a picture online or read a [frick]ing synopsis and assume its like avatar!!! cuz its not. read the [frick]ing book and you'd realize it!
joob234 - 10/27/2009, 4:38 PM
Yeah the artist took a lot of liberty with that cover. The only description that I can recall is maybe four legs. I think the only reason the creature is blue on this cover is because it is the complementary color of the background, just to make the creature stand out.

Sci-fi has a problem with that. After you read the book you look at the cover and realize that in no way does it represent the story or atmosphere of the story in any way.
Betty - 10/27/2009, 4:59 PM
Hey Joob - this is everywhere fcukbag. I didn't dig up the book. lol.

and the synopsis is EXACTLY what Avatar is minus a couple additional things Cameron has done or changed.

watch the trailer for Avatar and then read the synopsis for this sh!t. suck it.
Keven - 10/27/2009, 7:44 PM
Was not Cameron a big rig driver? It does not surprise me that the idea may not be original. Look at the Matrix movies, I see elements of that stolen from Dune.
Number21 - 10/27/2009, 7:51 PM
woah calm down keven, and again, one key thing: YOU DIDNT READ THE BOOK!!!!!!!! the only similarities is the avatar system, which in this book isnt like what it is in avatar, and the wild animals, which would be in any indiginous [frick]ing alien book or movie you [frick]bag (back at ya) This book doesnt have humans vs indiginous 8 foot creatures. in this book, there is no indiginous smart creatures which the avatars are based off. in this book, there is no humans on the planet also and no humans mining resources from the planet. theres no war between any creatures in this book. look that up shithead
joob234 - 10/27/2009, 8:08 PM
the parapalegic is similar also but thatd be common for any main character who gets an artificial body, anybody would come up with that without watching or reading something.
joob234 - 10/27/2009, 8:13 PM
Aw poo.. Well HAWK, please make it known when you get that up. It sounds fricking perfect!

@Betty: A Boy And His Dog is a silly but cool post apocalyptic movie about a guy that wanders the wastes of civilization on foot.

The desert on which he lives is actually dust and mud that rained down after a large nuclear explosion in another part of the world, and there was so much of it that it completely covered the cities and towns. So to get gear or canned goods they have to burrow deep underground to get to it. His only friend is a mutated dog that telepathically communicates with him. They have an arrangement: the dog finds women for him, and he finds food for the dog. (not too bad)

The crazy psycho - delic images of painted faces and parades is a highly controlled subterranean utopian society that takes the main character prisoner. Down there it's illegal to be angry or to refuse to participate in anything. Hell's bells I'd be put to death the first damn day LOL
It's meant to be a caricature of our own society, I guess but it's not a very accurate one really.
DarthMulder - 10/27/2009, 9:29 PM
What ISN'T this movie a rip-off of? It's just one of the most blatantly unoriginal films I've ever even heard of!
slimybug - 10/27/2009, 11:18 PM
DarthMulder--sounds really interesting. I found a trailer up there. I think it was meant to keep you from watching the movie. I'll see if I can find it. Can't believe I WANT to see something with Don Johnson in it. This is way pre-Vice though.
Betty - 10/27/2009, 11:19 PM
@DarthMulder. I will make certain to let you guys know when I post it. But it will be a while. And that is a good summary of the film.

@Betty. Do yourself a favor and see that movie! The endig is just plane twisted and funny. But DOn JOhnson was good in that movie. Best thing he did in his career.

It has been credited by writers and directoes as an inspiration for dozens of things including: the Mad Max series (Specifically Road Warrior) Fallout, Terminator etc etc.

oh and FYI. The dog in the film is the same one from the Brady Bunch, Tiger. They were planning a series of sequels to this film but canceled them when Tiger died.
THEHAWK - 10/27/2009, 11:41 PM
Oh and this was partly based on a graphic novel adaption of the original short story by the author Harlan Ellison.
THEHAWK - 10/27/2009, 11:43 PM
Hawk- Buddy, i understand what you're saying but my point is that i would have given him the benefit of the doubt had he only had one or two similarities from previous films and books. But this movie is a whole shitbag of stolen goods and it would be flat out lying to ourselves to not realise it. You're story is very different than Cameron's. I get that you sympathize with him having gone through a similar situation but i'm not gonna start sympathizing with any thief just because i eat a few grapes when buying my groceries. There is a difference.

Joob- Of course there will be little things that don't match or else the guy would spend the rest of his life in court getting trough lawsuit after lawsuit. I'm sure he went through a great deal of figuring out what to include or not include in order to not get sued. This movie is a stew of stolen ideas all mixed up together to make it look original when in fact there is not a shread of originality to it!!! If you saw the trailer and felt it looked entertaining, GOOD FOR YYYYOOOOOOOUUUUUU! If you're greatly anticipating Cameron's 3D CGI experience, more power to you! If you feel that the synopsis of the film is something you would enjoy, then have some pop corn and enjoy the ride! But don't think for one second that you can convert anyone with a rational mind to blindly follow the herd. Cameron is a turdnutt for having not only made this unoriginal recycled trash but for hyping the [frick] out of it to a point where it could do it no possible good!!! I mean how retarded is it to actually hype a recycled collection of stolen ideas as a groundbreaking original revolutionary masterpiece, really????

Hhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyydeeeeeehoooooooo!!!! This is my son James Cameron, he is the revolutionary mind behind "Avatar"!!!

Shaman - 10/28/2009, 7:17 AM
@ shaman - bump.

people with brains unite!
Keven - 10/28/2009, 11:21 AM
Gunsmith,

The movie itself is not the ground breaking part. It has nothing to do with the 3D. As the people in this industry will tell you, it was the technology he made possible.

As a 3D artist you have to go through stages. Mo cap (motion capture), rendering, adjusting, mo cap, render, mo cap, render etc. You then have to apply the the model lighting, then render, sfx, then render...you get the point.

Anyways Cameron has made a way to have real time mo cap animations get rendered textured and lit all at once. You can watch the monitor and see exactly what audience will see, or close to it,most companies will also tweak key frames to make the animation smooth and flowing. A movie that used just mo cap was polar express notice how stale it looks.

So now with Hollywood having this technology it means less time is required to render and adjust so that time can now be spent on other parts like the textures and dynamics.

Just felt I needed to finally clear this up. Because audience will never see what is so "ground breaking" about this.

Sorry to call you out, but it was obvious that you were confused.
darkkami - 10/28/2009, 8:44 PM
darkkami-- Hey that is ground breaking.
Betty - 10/28/2009, 9:52 PM
My AssCheaks are ground Breaking! just like K's moms Palimony bills ;) i am a cant, a real flippin cant! (u, u)
shibazz - 10/29/2009, 3:11 AM
darkkami- I totally understand what you mean but in all fairness, to the average non film maker-movie goer, this movie was way too publically overhyped and missleading. The dissapointment is quite natural and very logical. They should have hyped it AFTER it's release, in the DVD's extra features, if it was only for the "film making" aspect. Now no matter how many times you try to clear it up, most people will think that they are paying for the most revolutionnary film ever made and will be devastated!!! "Over"-hype's bad m'kay ;)

Shibz- You're giving me a groundbreaker ;P
Shaman - 10/29/2009, 8:01 AM
shibazz-- haha, cant, hahaha
Betty - 10/29/2009, 8:28 PM
new trailer looked better though - i'll give it that. i'll still go see this. i just think it's funny that Cameron is such a thieving donk.
Keven - 11/2/2009, 4:08 PM
The producers should have focused on everything Cameron ripped off of to sell the film instead of having it be hyped as "revolutionnary". Avatar: no other movie gives you more for your money!!! Come and see all the movies and books you know and love all in one!!!
Shaman - 11/3/2009, 7:45 AM

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