Who Is Captain America?

Who Is Captain America?

Yet another article on the First Avenger.

Editorial Opinion
By ThunderCougarFalconBird - Jan 29, 2010 05:01 PM EST
Filed Under: Captain America

We have had plenty of great articles on Cap recently, each of which attracting a number of great comments. These have got me thinking about the character and about the article I wrote “A new America” a while ago. I am a big enough man to admit most of what I said in that article was wrong.

So what do we want from a live action Steve Rogers? There are several aspects of this character being talked about; physical condition, hair/eye colour, acting talent and even the costume. There is so much to get right and so many people with guns cocked, locked and ready to rock, that the studios cannot afford failure. It’s no wonder we are flooding the Editorial page with Cap related articles.

When it comes to the costume, I have read concerns on how any costume variation will translate into live action. My response is – nicely! We all have our favourites but it doesn’t really matter which costume is used, they will all work if handled right. The way to make a comic costume work in live action doesn’t necessarily mean a change, you simply show its purpose. Batman Begins is the best example of this I have ever seen. We see why he wears a cape, why he shapes his cowl, every aspect of the suit is given a purpose and that is why we accept it. So does Captain Americas’ suit have purpose other than hiding identity? Of course! Why was he created in the first place? Just to be a hero? No. Captain America is a walking billboard for the American dream, a single man unifying a nation and bringing hope to the country he fights for. His suit is his flag, the symbol of inspiration for all who see it. If that is put across in the right way then it won’t matter which variation of the costume is used. Jokes can even be made about him standing out like an ABBA tribute band at Oz Fest!

What kind of person should play Cap? Well, Cap must have Blonde hair and Blue eyes but the actor doesn’t need to. Hair dye and contacts are easy ways of achieving this so why narrow down the potential candidates for something so easily fixed. His height and build are very important. He needs to be at least 6ft but to me, Steve Rogers shouldn’t be as muscular as many pictures you see. Most images you find on Google show a muscle bound goliath of a man but Captain America should be a man in peak condition, for strength, speed and agility. This means more toning than bulk is required. I’m thinking Brad Pitt in Troy or Hugh Jackman in Origins for the sort of shape required.

What about nationality? It’s a touchy subject but lets remember this man will be playing Captain America in a fictional movie. He will not be the real life, living embodiment of the American ideals. If he can play a convincing American then he gets my vote on that part. Another grey area is one brought up with Will Smiths name. Can Steve Rogers be black? No, he can’t. I am in no way racist but as much as we might like to think otherwise, the Governments during WW2 were. We all know Captain Americas origin, do you really think the Government of that era would choose a black man to become their symbol of hope? Again, I personally have no trouble with this but to make a believable movie Steve Rogers must be a white American with blonde hair and blue eyes.

So now lets talk about acting talent. No one, and I mean no one wants to see a bad performance. Having said that, I have spent too long under the delusion that the actor who plays Cap needs to be able to go toe to toe with, or have the screen presence to take the focus off RDJ, Ed Norton and Samuel L Jackson. I no longer believe this is such an important factor. Let’s think about the dynamic of the group, or at least their dynamic for their first movie outing. Thor is the God Of Thunder, yet the others don’t believe him, they just see him as someone with amazing power but with an equally delusional sense of grandeur. I’ve not seen Hemsworth act but this means he isn’t going head-to-head for the leader role. Bruce Banner won’t exactly be gunning for the top spot either, he wants to keep his head down. Ed Norton is a talented enough actor to fade into the background when necessary. This leaves Cap and Iron Man gunning for number one. How do these two start off in the Avenger team? Tony Stark believes he is above the team, he didn’t want to join but he eventually did simply because he thought it was the right thing to do. He doesn’t want to take orders and thinks he knows best. Steve Rogers has the best strategic mind in the group but has just been thawed out into a strange new world. He is unsure of everything and everyone including himself and the other members are equally unsure of him, a stranger they spent so much time searching for. The ONLY member of the team who acknowledges Caps worth is Nick Fury. Because of this Captain America doesn’t need to “out act” Iron Man. It would even be more realistic to have Cap shouted down by Iron Man when trying to put forward a plan. The entire movie could be Iron Man ignoring Caps advice only to fail and admit Steve Rogers is the man to lead the group to victory. Even when Cap is the established leader of the Avengers the enigmatic one is always Iron Man. Therefore the actor chosen to play Captain America doesn’t need to be on par with Oscar winner/worthy actors. He just needs to be able to do play his own role convincingly, anything else is a job for the director.



So that’s my thoughts. The actor needed for Captain America is not as muscular as most people think and doesn’t need to be the world class thespian we expect. The sooner we understand this the less chance there is of misplaced disappointment.


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InTylerWeTrust
InTylerWeTrust - 1/29/2010, 5:47 PM
Great editorial Mr. Burgundy! I wholeheartedly agree with every single thing you have said!

Especially on the out-acting subject. I always believed that RDJ as Tony is SUPPOSED to be the center of attention. That's the kind of character that RDJ is playing and that the writers have written. He'll always have the spotlight. The actor who plays Cap doesn't need to take the spotlight away from RDJ, he needs to make the audience believe in the character, or make them believe that he is the leader of this team, despite the center-of-attention Tony. I do like the idea of Tony cutting Rogers down at first, but, later in the film, Cap proves his worth to the team, and a mutual respect is forged. And I'm pretty sure RDJ can tone down his Tony to make it believable that he's being lead by whoever plays Cap. It's not like he's forced to be the hotshot, scene-stealing Tony in every scene.
DogsOfWar
DogsOfWar - 1/29/2010, 7:37 PM
Nice job there Anchorman! You & I have similar thoughts. check out my editorial just a few down from yours

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheDogPound/news/?a=14219
Boekelaar
Boekelaar - 1/29/2010, 8:58 PM
Totally agree, great work! This has clearly been well thought out and a well executed editorial.
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 1/30/2010, 4:11 AM
Thanks guys.

Tyler - thats exactly how I believe the film should go. Cap needing to prove himself to an over confident Stark before a mutual respect is forged.

Dogs - it was your article that got me thinking about this. I was going to mention it a few times but with yours still in progress I didn't want to be stepping on your toes. So I decided to keep them seperate. Keep up the good work.

Boekelaar - cheers, a few beers helped the creative juices flow, although it meant my spell check was working overtime!
DogsOfWar
DogsOfWar - 1/30/2010, 11:04 AM
Thanks Ron. I am going to do a follow up article on the results. I'd like to hear your comment on the rankings, though I see where you are going with your article. If you don't mind, I'd like to use some of the comments from here as well since our articles are discussing the same topic.
gunner
gunner - 1/30/2010, 1:01 PM
Good article bro , I think we all pretty much agree with you on all of this , but i think a known name wouldn't hurt in this case when it come's to the lead role.
My big concern is that they will go with a total unknown to save money , but will see what happen's.
I have faith in this movie and have been waiting damn near my whole life for this .
Shaman
Shaman - 1/30/2010, 1:04 PM
Ron- You sir, are a shining beacon of pure unadulterated enlightenment!!! I agree with you 232%!!! I've been trying to tell everyone the exact same thing but with different words and reasons yet our hearts beat in sinc!!! SIMPLY BREATHTAKING!!! Someone send this masterpiece to Johnston!!! And...

Jensen Ackles *cough* perfect for Captain America *cough*cough*

ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 1/30/2010, 1:48 PM
Shaman - Once again you honor me with your words. Jensen Ackles isn't a good choice for Cap, he is the BEST choice for Cap! Those who say he can't act haven't seen how he's grown in Supernatural. Just didn't want this to turn into a casting campaign.

Dogs - quote me on anything you like buddy!

Anil - I shall read that when I get on my computer. My mobile is fine for glancing over things but I'm interested in having a good look at your article fella.
Shaman
Shaman - 1/30/2010, 2:42 PM
Ron- I totally get what you're saying and i know for a fact that you're not "playing" to me since you recently went through the 4 seasons of the show. Anyone that says they've watched the show and still don't like Ackles is because they never "followed" it. They watched it despite. They didn't sit back and enjoy. They let themselves judge from the cover and no matter what was in the meat, they didn't bother to dive in deeper. Ackles isn't a one trick pony like most seem to think. Had they TRULY watched with an open mind EVERY show one after the other like we did, they'd see.

Of course i don't feel like Jensen is the only choice and no other will do. I just feel he's THE BEST. If Johnston would give him a shot to audition at least, they'd be instantly captured.

As for your previous choice, Speedman is a decent actor and i would not say no to him if he was chosen. But in my opinion, Speedman is the perfect embodiment of Danny Rand, The Iron Fist!!! Screw Ray Park cause he can't act and neither can Statham. Speedman acts and fights brilliantly and looks exactly like the character.
CRITIC17
CRITIC17 - 1/30/2010, 4:05 PM
Totally agree @Ron!!! Despite that... I still say Sam for Cap!!!!
Layperson
Layperson - 1/30/2010, 6:00 PM
Praise Odin!! Someone with a brain in their head. Of course, there are aspects of the argument that I consider that have been left out here.

I can't stress enough the importance of the fact that Tony Stark has 2 movies where as Cap will have only 1. While I can appreciate the idea that Nick Fury holds Cap as the worthy leader, and therefore will place him in that position, there is someone else that holds even more importance than Fury...the audience!

Consider that most people are not the Comic book junkies that we are, and that the majority of the audience will not be familiar with the origins of Captain America nor the Avengers! I've said it before, if an unacquainted audience identifies with RDJr/Tony Stark more, which is natural (and likely) due to the 2 Ironman movies vs. 1 Cap movie. Currently, Marvel has set it up in such a way that Tony Stark is a major recruiter of the team, i.e the end of Hulk. Unless, Ironman 2, massively changes this, they will not see Stark as "above the team"

There is also another aspect to consider, what is the drawing power of a no name to even establish the character of Cap in his solo movie? Will the everyday movie goer see a movie with a no name? When was the last time a no namer in a comic book movie has genuinely won over an audience? Did it work for Routh, did it work for anyone in "Watchmen", did it work for that new Punisher movie?

Now, I'm willing to concede big names don't equal success, (Ghostrider anyone?) but in this age of struggling movie studios and declining ticket sales, a movie needs to do anything and everything it can to put asses in seats. Will most run-of-the-mill movie goers pay for a no name? I know it sucks to say that, but it's about practicality.

Look, Ron is right, ultimately acting talent, direction, and writing makes the most importance...if a no name can stand up and share the screen with RDJr., Samuel J., and Ed Norton I'll be the first to eat my words. But that is a Tall, TALL order for anyone like Ackles or any other no name.

I suppose there’s no right answer, personally I want a big namer (obviously)and i suppose if i had to pick right now I'd say Damon, but if you really want a new actor, I like Sam Worthington for the role (there, I said it) Avatar put him on the map enough to be a draw, though I still don’t know if he’s got the acting chops to stand up to RDJr. And to those who say, “Cap needs to be an American actor!” I say get over it, they’re called “Actors” for a reason.

It may sound crazy, but that’s just the opinion of a Layperson
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 1/31/2010, 4:01 AM
Layperson - excellent points and well executed. From the 'donut scene' in the Iron Man 2 teaser it looks like Stark will be keeping his 'above the team' role, and rightly so. As far as box office draw goes, I completely agree. However, from what I've heard I imagine the Cap movie will go along the lines of Nick Fury telling the story of Captain America to the other members of the Avenger team whilest they search for him. Captain Americas role will be through flashbacks and while that is a major part of the movie there will be enough 'modern day' footage to credit Sam L Jackson, RDJ and Ed Norton with large enough roles to draw audiences in. Add to that your point on 'stuggling movie studios' along with the big names already attached and it's easy to see there are going to have to be costing measures taken when casting Cap. This prices out Dicaprio, Damon and many others. They will go the same way as Thor and bring in a rising actor rather than a veteran. There are a number of good choices but many are tied to other franchises, Chris Pine has Star Trek and Sam Worthington has Avatar looking to expand. Probably just coincedence that Supernatural is ending with Ackles in centre stage just as Cap is picking up momentum, but maybe not.
CaptainDeadpool
CaptainDeadpool - 1/31/2010, 12:14 PM
in my opinion i still think Brad Pitt would be a decent Steve Rogers...although im not sure how he'd be as Cap though...but if it wouldn't be him maybe Sam Worthington...who knows i just hope they pick the right person cause im looking forward to this more than IM2 or Thor honestly
Shaman
Shaman - 2/1/2010, 1:43 PM
Taters can't act and prooved it in G.u.y. Blow. In fact, that specific role is very similar to Steve Rogers' and Taters is THE LAST person a wanna see cast as Cap! I'd take Worthington over Taters!
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 2/1/2010, 2:52 PM
GIJoe was on my flight to florida, I saw the first 15mins and I asked to get off.
Canucklehead
Canucklehead - 2/1/2010, 2:55 PM
As long as they cast someone who is under the age of 30 I will be happy. All this talk of actors who are in there late 30's or early 40's is making me feel sick to my stomach. He is supposed to be young, so that there is tension between the other Avengers at first (who are all older than him). Which sets up a situation where Steve has to prove himself as a good leader.
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 2/1/2010, 3:25 PM
canucklehead - I fully agree! cap can't be too old. Tatum may have it in him but he needs to prove it before I welcome him as steve rogers.

Anil - I know how you feel, there are a good handful of actors who would have owned this role 10yrs ago. i just wish people would stop throwing their names in the hat.
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 2/1/2010, 3:56 PM
Anil - Gary Coleman for cap!
Shaman
Shaman - 2/2/2010, 11:57 AM
DJ Quals for Cap. Gentlemen, i believe that's game, set and match ;)

Never thought i'd find a white guy that would actually be worse for the role of Cap than a black midget. At least Coleman has fire in his eyes!
Canucklehead
Canucklehead - 2/5/2010, 9:42 AM
Lets face it guys... he doesn't have to be an awesome actor. As long as he can hold his own, looks the part, and the story is good, it will be a good movie. As I am sure you can tell, I am a huge Wolverine fan. If the last X-men movie & origins have taught us anything, its that it doesn't matter how good the actor is (cause I think Jackman was/is great as Wolverine, even though he is too tall), it mainly all comes down to the story and who is directing.
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