EDITORIAL: The Strategic Scientific Reserve and S.H.I.E.L.D

EDITORIAL: The Strategic Scientific Reserve and S.H.I.E.L.D

Could we see the formation of S.H.I.E.L.D in Captain America: First Avenger?

Editorial Opinion
By FrankGarret - Nov 02, 2010 05:11 AM EST

What do we know about the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s version of S.H.I.E.L.D? Not a whole lot, really. They’re a little known government agency that was founded by Howard Stark and others. Who those others are, and when and how they were founded is unknown.

… But I have this theory.

A few months back, some lucky fans got their mitts on promotional t-shirts for Thor and Captain America. The Captain America looks like one that Steve Rogers would have worn while training or preparing for Project Rebirth. It depicted Steve’s name, serial number, rank but it also depicted the emblem of the branch of the US Army under which auspices Project Rebirth was conducted, namely the Strategic Scientific Reserve.

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The emblem appears also as the insignia on Captain Rogers and Major Carter’s service uniforms.

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Now here’s where I make a bit of a leap… Doesn’t that look a bit like the S.H.I.E.L.D logo, in as much as it depicts a bird spreading its wings, looking forward against a circle?

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Howard Stark is known to have worked for the American government during World War II as part as the Manhattan Project as well as creating Captain America’s uniform and S.H.I.E.L.D, and the Howling Invaders are said to have been under Captain America’s command, while Colonel Chester Philips recruited and mentored Steve Rogers and was possibly his direct commanding officer. So I’m going to assume they all worked for, or were at least seconded to the SSR.

Now in real life, the Office of Strategic Services was set up during World War II to coordinate and conduct espionage operations behind enemy lines. Disbanded after the war, it was later reformed into the Central Intelligence Agency.

So what I’m saying is, what if something similar happened in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What if the SSR locked horns with HYDRA during the war, and then after the war, Hydra folded, though some key members (Zemo and von Strucker perhaps) managed to escape to South America, and some years later Hydra re-emerged as a subversive organization intent on world domination.

To combat the new HYDRA, Howard Stark, Nick Fury, and perhaps Chester Philips and others as well reform their old department under the new name of the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division.

If that were the case, it would make Captain America technically the first Superhero in the employ of S.H.I.E.L.D, literally the first Avenger.

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ager
ager - 11/2/2010, 6:36 AM
interesting. logical. and very well thought out. kudos
Orphix
Orphix - 11/2/2010, 6:47 AM
I'm pretty certain that you are bang on the money...so to speak.

I also think it is important that SHIELD call it The AVENGERS Intiative. As if something has come back from the past - and gives them a chance to 'avenge' something. So I am certain that SHIELD emerges from what is left of the SSR.

Thats why I am pretty sure the main villains of The Avengers will be HYDRA - or at least some new form of that terrorist organisation.

The fact that Nick Fury and Steve Rogers were around in WWII suggests that they both could have lost people important to them (Bucky, Howling Commdandos, etc) and want to avenge them.

Also Tony Stark may have a personal connection though his father that he may want to 'avenge' too.

Ibz
Ibz - 11/2/2010, 7:02 AM
i dont think nick fury is going to be shown during the WW2 era he is more likely to appear at the end when the discover cap, and wow well done for spotting that, you may be right about it all
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 11/2/2010, 7:25 AM
Ibz @ Correct, it'll be stupid if we have SLJ in WWII lol! : p

Damn good read @ FRANK, you could be right on most of that, good eye and thumbs up man, gr8 stuff!
Tin
Tin - 11/2/2010, 7:36 AM
I bet your ass you're right! ;)
Brashlight
Brashlight - 11/2/2010, 7:46 AM
Lee@ the love fest for SLJ has got to stop, we know you think his nick fury is oscar worthy but it getting a little old :P
jazzman
jazzman - 11/2/2010, 7:46 AM
@Frank Garret

nice research

@LEEE777

it wont be stupid if SLJ in WWII
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/2/2010, 7:47 AM
@ frank garret

i reckon you've hit the nail on the head.
Brashlight
Brashlight - 11/2/2010, 7:48 AM
ager@ tell me that isn't Eric Roberts from Best of the Best! Classic!
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/2/2010, 7:58 AM
didn't fury take "the super soldier serum" himself.

i would like to see in the "after the credits" moment nick fury introducing captain america to thor & iron man.
Paulley
Paulley - 11/2/2010, 7:58 AM
Yep good article an i think your on the right track too.. im almost certain the SHIELD name will also be sme sort of Captain America tribute by Howard Stark who make him his shield.

Im hoping if the 1950's Ant-Man film happens we will get to see some of the early creation of SHIELD..

And des anyone think there will be a chance that they will take the idea from the comics that the government at the time covered up Steve Rogers' death and got other people to take the role of Captain America after the conflict in europe finished... i doubt it but i would love to see it mentioned in old SHIELD files or something.
Brashlight
Brashlight - 11/2/2010, 8:01 AM
deadpool@ i think he did in the ultimates story line...but they are supposedly bringing elements of the Ultimates and the 616 universe into these movies. so its a toss up whether they bring that part of the story in or not. but if they did it would explain why SLJ is in Captain America: The First Avenger. We will see.
ager
ager - 11/2/2010, 8:12 AM
how funny is this... i just shecked out the pics posted ealier and saw that you began to question the precurser thing. not realizing this was your post i was just going vto rip this person for stealing your idea. turns out its you--oops

Brashlight, YES, yes it is :)
weaponxcustoms
weaponxcustoms - 11/2/2010, 8:13 AM
Nice!
Brashlight
Brashlight - 11/2/2010, 8:17 AM
ager@ That awesome!
ElBicho
ElBicho - 11/2/2010, 8:46 AM
@Frank

Top Notch stuff!
Ibz
Ibz - 11/2/2010, 9:12 AM
actually thinking about it SLJ might be part of WW2 era i just realised that the ultimate nick was part of project rebirth, and also received a dose of the super soldier serum so who knows, but i do know one thing and that is captain america will rock!
MIDAS
MIDAS - 11/2/2010, 9:18 AM
It makes perfect sense, though it doesn't compare to Brashlight's bouncing breast.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 11/2/2010, 9:25 AM
BRASH @ I wish I could, I hate ULTIMATE nearly as much as FOX lol!

Xreoed copies of classic 616 originals is a crime against cbm's!

Still can deal with it, as long as FURY is only there once CAP is found in ICE!

Can still believe WWII SGT FURY & his HOWLING COMMANDOS are still running about in WWII then lol ; p

Wont ruin the movie then.

I still think THOR is going to be bigger than this picture a hundred fold, still can't wait to see CAP tho!

Jazz @ LMFAO!!!
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/2/2010, 9:47 AM
I thought we already knew SHIELD would be formed in Cap. am i imagining that? lol
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 11/2/2010, 9:49 AM
@ IBZ

In Ultimate he got a dose of the Super Soldier Serum, but in 616, he got something similar in the form of the Infinity Formula, which gives him extended life. So its a safe bet that Fury will be in the WWII era, he's been there in both major Marvel Worlds.
Ibz
Ibz - 11/2/2010, 10:06 AM
@CorndogBurglar yeah dude i realised that just now but i have feeling in the movies they might just ignore that bit and make him a normal human and i also have feeling he's going to turn up at end to the place were cap got frozen because in the EW article it was said that the movie would start with cap being frozen and would also end and have a open book ending, but i could be totally wrong lol
Orphix
Orphix - 11/2/2010, 10:10 AM
I thought I heard that SLJ was there during the filmimg on the Super Serum scene (the one shot in Manchester). And that was definitely set during the 40's.

Would make sense as he played in the Alfred Dunhill Golf tournament in Scotland a couple of days later.
Orphix
Orphix - 11/2/2010, 10:11 AM
I am sure Nick and Steve will be buddies from WWII.

Would make for a much more powerful scene when Nick gets to defrost Steve in one of the bookends.
ROBBEATZZZ
ROBBEATZZZ - 11/2/2010, 10:41 AM
NICE VERY NICE!..MAKES ALOT OF SENSE
Paulley
Paulley - 11/2/2010, 10:43 AM
Nick Fury, should not be in World War Two.. i dont care if they have done it in 616, Ultimate or any of the other universes people have got to get the idea that this is a movie not comic and if you cant get behind that then go with the idea that this is a seperate universe and there are going to be diferences.

it would take away from Steve Rogers being a man out of his time if he is there with someone from the same era as him.. fine if its a bad guy doesnt work so well if its an ally. Plus your asking your audience to take another leap for no real purpous...

Nick Fury is the director of SHIELD and will be directing the team that defrosts cap end of.
dbarley
dbarley - 11/2/2010, 10:57 AM
Hey, new here. In the new Avengers cartoon there is a Jack Fury that is part of the Howlers that gets off the boat with Cap and the others. Could they possibly have a relative of Nick's be in WW2 with Steve in the movie? Might help tie things together.
Ibz
Ibz - 11/2/2010, 11:37 AM
@Paulley i agree with you thats why i doubt he'll be in the WW2 era, but he will be in the end when the discover cap
jatfly
jatfly - 11/2/2010, 11:38 AM
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/furyjack.htm

Jack son is Nick....Maybe?
FrankGarret
FrankGarret - 11/2/2010, 12:09 PM
I made Main. Booyah!

Thanks for the titties, teabag!

Myself, I'd be okay if Nick wasn't around for WWII, but dialogue in Iron Man 2 seems to imply he's been around for a long time.
RexDartEskimoSpy
RexDartEskimoSpy - 11/2/2010, 12:29 PM
Excellent detective work, Frank. Why have I never heard about these tee-shirts before? And more importantly, WHERE CAN I GET ONE?!

As for Fury being in WWII, it would just be too confusing and complicated. It's really only that way in the comics because the character first appeared in the '40s and Marvel has kept him around ever since. (As for Ultimate Fury, it's an uneccesarily complicated reference to the original comics.) Anyway, the bottom line is that, when Cap gets defrosted, everyone he knew is dead - or in their 80s - and an ageless Nick Fury would ruin that.
Mrmo416
Mrmo416 - 11/2/2010, 1:54 PM
I second that HawHaw. that's some keen detective work. I'm glad to see so many people are excited about the Cap movie.

But i'm still wondering who's coming to coming to comic con 2011 which opens on the same day as cap hits theatres. how about we all make a thing of it!
Sturmpionier
Sturmpionier - 11/2/2010, 3:05 PM
My bet is that Fury is going to be shown as comics depict him: about 100 years old and a WWII vet himself. The extras on the IM2 disc show an interview with SLJ where he mentions how the film starts to reveal "how old the character really is". I'm betting he has been at least told that his Fury is not just about as old as SLJ is himself due to that line. However, it IS possible that SLJ, a comics fan himself, has just assumed that the MCU Fury will be as old as the 616/1610 version.

Also, I just always assumed after Fury's line in IM2 we would see the formation of SHIELD, or at least an explanation of it, in CA:TFA.

jazzman
jazzman - 11/2/2010, 3:27 PM
@Paulley - "people have got to get the idea that this is a movie not comic "

its a comic book movie already the whole story in these films is far out of there the first place. Nick Fury in the WW2 is not a issue if he took Infinity Formula.

@Sturmpionier

u talking about this

superbeast101
superbeast101 - 11/2/2010, 4:59 PM
I would be very suprised if you were wrong. I had the same thought when i first saw the images of those t shirts. That and in Iron Man, Phil Coulson says that shield had only just reorganised it's name into that acronym by the end of that movie. I don't think we'll see SLJ in the WW2 era scenes, but I could be wrong, he did claim to have known and or worked with Howard Stark in IM2, But it was revealed in Entertainment Weekly's article that the film will start and finish with cap being found frozen. Presumably by Fury
HULK2099
HULK2099 - 11/2/2010, 5:52 PM
great stuff
Paulley
Paulley - 11/3/2010, 2:31 AM
I like your elusion to the CIA.. it does make sense as SHIELD has become a homeland secruity group instead of its international 616 counterpart its fair to say that MCU's SHIELD may infact be the CIA.
Orphix
Orphix - 11/3/2010, 3:44 AM
@ Paulley - I get your argument about Nick Fury NOT being in WWII and it is a very strong one and kind of agree with you with some of it - especially about it being the Marvel MOVIE Universe so they can do what the hell they want.

BUT I don't agree about weakening the story about Steve Rogers being a 'man out of time'. There would be an important distinction between the two characters. Whereas Steve Rogers wakes up having been, essentially, in a coma for 50+ years Nick Fury was ALWAYS around seeing things change. Steve will be in shock and finding out what happened to loved ones, etc. Nick (as part of the formation of SHIELD) would have known what would happen and accepted his place in the world. A big difference and both thematically very interesting.

As for an audiences 'leap of faith' in accepting the science fiction element I don't think a 'guy who ages slowly' is that big a leap when in context of everything else. And I do believe that there some great story and character development possibilities to explore with it.

For Steve and Nick to be reunited when they thought they were dead after 50+ years (homosexual subtext alert!!!! :oP) would be an incredibly powerful scene.

Mind you, having said all that, they might not bother and just have Nick Fury a regular guy who just happens to be head of SHIELD. Just think that would make him a bit dull.
Paulley
Paulley - 11/3/2010, 4:57 AM
I guess i can see where the difference between there longevity could make an intresting subject but i still just dont like the idea.

Another factor comes in regard to how Fury comes to take this formula, i cant see anyway in which Black man taking this formula given to him by white military scientists is going to look like anything other than Fury being a test subject.. something that will make America look bad (which is obviously something they wont do in this movie) and would pretty ruin any chances of Luke Cage being made live action without redoing the whole of his origin becuase it would make his classic origin redundent.

And of course then there is the formula itself, how would it be depicted an early attempt at super soldier or a second attempt (both lead back to Black test subject). How would it be explained in regards to how it kept him alive and what happened to Fury afterwards...

Though intrestingly they would most likely have considered it a failiure compared to Steve's change and may have not even noticed the longevity effect. I can imagine they kept him locked up for 20 years and someone began to realise he never seemed to age.. that could be quite intresting but still cant see how he'd be in any mental shape to protect the country that did that too him.

I guess they could say it was a german experiment and the US rescued him. That could work, but it would ruin elements of Union Jack 2's origin and god know i dont want that to happen!
Orphix
Orphix - 11/3/2010, 5:10 AM
There are many ways that Fury could take the formula that would not make him look like a test subject. It could be the result of an accident, he could have volunteered, he could have even been pressured into it by a villain.

And it doesn't necessarily make Luke Cage's origin story any more or less redundant. As soon as you do Steve Roger's origin all the similarities are already there. With Luke Cage you would have to focus on the prison drama element.
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