Casting Suggestions: Captain America

Casting Suggestions: Captain America

UPDATED! Today, it's all about Sgt. Fury & the Howling Commandos!

By canadianturd - May 12, 2010 12:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic
Source: canadianturd

Along with The Invaders, The Howling Commandos were also announced to appear in the Captain America movie. This is my fan cast for that team.


Gen. Chester Phillips - Tommy Lee Jones (No Country for Old Men)
My other pick for Tommy Lee Jones in the Captain America movie would be Sam "Happy" Sawyer.


Nick Fury - Samuel L. Jackson (Iron Man 2)
I hope Samuel L. Jackson has a chance to step it up a bit in Captain America. He needs to see some action and lose that gut from Iron Man 2.

It has be established that Samuel L. Jackson will be in the Captain America as Nick Fury, no matter how much you guys bitch about it. I wasn't sure if they were going to have him appear at the end of the movie until I saw they were including the Howling Commandos.

Nevermind, the racist crap that comes from this, but as for the whole age thing, Nick Fury (along with others) was a given the Infinity serum that retards the aging process. It's science! Ha!


Timothy "Dum Dum" Dugan - Nick Offerman (Parks & Recreation)


Valentina "Contessa" Fontaine - Monica Bellucci (Shoot 'Em Up)
Nobody could despute this. I don't know why you would.


Percival "Pinky" Pinkerton - Eddie Izzard (Valkyrie)
I heard an interview with him recently on CBC Radio. Although he's not the first person to come to mind when you see the character, he's still a very talented actor and would be my choice for this British soldier.


Gabriel "Gabe" Jones - Taye Diggs (Private Practice)


Dean "Dino" Manelli - Christopher Meloni (Law & Order SVU)
He's an awesome actor is everything I've seen him in whether it's from Oz, Wet Hot American Summer or Freak Show in Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle. He would be a great addition to this cast.


Isabella "Izzy" Cohen - Sarah Polley (Splice)
The reason I changed Isadore's gender is because I thought the team could use a tough woman (so it's not such a sausage fest), I like Sarah Polley and Isadore is a weak name and easily changed to "Isabella".


Jonathan "Junior" Juniper - Shawn Hatosy (Southland)


Eric Koenig - Matthias Schweighöfer (Valkyrie)
This guy is supposed to be cast in Thor, but I haven't heard anything about his role or that he's even been confirmed. Koenig is a German, who joins the Howling Commandos.
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contrast
contrast - 5/12/2010, 1:12 PM
Wait...so you're just going to change a character's gender (Izzy Cohen) without any explanation as to why...?

Also, something that's always bugged me about the Howling Commandos, but that I could deal with because it was a comic book that needed to be politically correct, was that there's no way they would have allowed Gabe Jones on an all-white team. That comment's not racist, I'm just pointing out that this takes place in World War II, which ended in 1945, three years before the armed forces started desegregating.

My main problem isn't Gabe Jones, however, it's the hole Marvel has dug themselves with Nick Fury. While you could argue that Gabe was just a member, and that he was the best of the best, and that was why he was a member of the Howling Commandos, there is absolutely no way that the U.S. Military of the early 1940s would allow a black man to lead a military unit made up predominantly of white men.

So they're left with few options. Make the Howling Commandos into a sort of Tuskeegee Airmen type group, Make current Nick Fury the son of an African American woman and a Caucasian World War II veteran named "Nick Fury" (thus making "current" Nick Fury, Nick Fury the second, and the son of normal continuity Fury) or have someone else be the leader of the team.

Now, let me also follow up by saying that I love Samuel L. Jackson as movie Nick Fury, but the problem is, Marvel's trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want an Ultimate style Nick Fury, but they want to have him doing things that would not be (politically?) possible in that time-frame. I have no problem with them doing any of the things I suggested to get around this (I especially think that the Tuskeegee Airmen idea would be interesting, though you would have to replace Dugan. He's as white as it gets.)

Anyway, now that I've rambled about keeping things historically accurate, I'll try to get back so some sort of point.

Basically, I like the cast. I think it does a good job of capturing the characters, but I'm not entirely sure why you changed Izzy Cohen's gender, and that's mainly because you gave no reason and just assumed we would all understand... I guess...

Sorry about the above Marvel-aimed rant.
canadianturd
canadianturd - 5/12/2010, 1:29 PM
Good thing this is a Marvel movie universe and not based on real life. Y'know, what with the android human torches, the Atlantian Royaly and Super Soldier Serum.

There is nothing "historical" about these movies, so just erase that whole concept because it fails hard.

The reason I changed Isadore's gender is because I thought the team could use a tough woman (so it's not such a sausage fest), I like Sarah Polley and Isadore is a weak name and easily changed to "Isabella".

I figured it wasn't such a reach and needed no further explanation.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/12/2010, 1:49 PM
Contrast @ I like your idea on the FURY thing, good call man!
contrast
contrast - 5/12/2010, 2:03 PM
@Canadianturd-- There's always need for further explanation... It's lucky you had Sam Jackson as Fury up there, because if not, LEEE's comment wouldn't have been distracted, and would have complained about the lack of information.

I'd say it is somewhat of a reach, though, because I don't really see Sarah Polley as the battle-hardened soldier type. I mean, yes, I've seen the "Dawn of the Dead" remake, but still, she just seems to be more of a person who is generally a calm, quiet person that is doing what it takes to survive in an insane situation. Now, I'm sure she could probably pull off the whole "tough woman" aspect of the character, but it requires further explanation for the simple fact that, to my knowledge, she hasn't played that type of character before, so it's slightly difficult to wrap your head around without a frame of reference.

I can see there needing to be a "tough woman" on the team, but again... historical context.

Oh, wait. You don't care about historical context. Never mind.

I see what you're getting at about there being super humans and androids and such in the Marvel Universe, but the thing is, the reason that "Marvel" people prefer "Marvel" to "DC" is usually because it combines these very unreal concepts (such as a man that can stretch, a woman that can move things with her mind, etc.) with very real-life situations. So if you remove even the most vague sense of historical context, you're removing one of the things that makes Marvel, Marvel.

Now, I'd also like to say that I wasn't "attacking" you about the "Sarah Polley" thing in my first comment, or the "historical accuracy" thing. (Actually, that was directed specifically at Marvel, who totally read these web sites...) So there was no reason to get sarcastic.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/12/2010, 2:19 PM
WTF???

Wheres my COMMENTS gone???

contrast @ Lol yeah dude!
contrast
contrast - 5/12/2010, 2:19 PM
@Canadianturd-- HeyHey, now That's what I'm talkin' about!

canadianturd
canadianturd - 5/12/2010, 2:20 PM
@contrast Sarah Polley is an actress who is sort of known for taking on tough character roles like her upcoming movie, Splice.



The reason people prefer Marvel is because they have superior characters, writers and story arcs. Not because of their ability to be historically accurate. There's no need to introduce a white Nick Fury or any other ridiculous rationalizing for closet racism.

I'm not attacking you either, but I think what you said was logically inaccurate.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/12/2010, 2:21 PM
DELETING COMMENTS is not cool!

Oh an see you've put info in now lol!
canadianturd
canadianturd - 5/12/2010, 2:22 PM
The reason I deleted the comments was because I updated the article, so they were no longer relevant.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/12/2010, 2:26 PM
So SLJ sucking in WWII is not relevant!???

; D
contrast
contrast - 5/12/2010, 2:27 PM
@canadianturd-- Well, I'll give you that (about the superior characters, writing, and story arcs) but part of that writing is that they ground these superhuman characters in a very "human" world. Part of that world is a sort of pseudo-historical accuracy. (Like in "Captain America:Reborn." Cap doesn't meet President Andrew Dalton or whoever, he meets President Franklin D. Roosevelt.)

I also agree about the "closet racism" thing, which is why my most suggested way to work around it, while keeping historical accuracy, was to have them be a "Tuskeegee Airmen" type group.
jarydevan
jarydevan - 5/12/2010, 3:48 PM
Women weren't in battle during WWII, get your shit together......
MikeZ
MikeZ - 5/12/2010, 4:18 PM
I don't know where the racism came from too. Some people forget that the Nick Fury that was presented in the "Iron Man" films happens to be based on the Ultimate version.
DDD
DDD - 5/13/2010, 2:33 AM
Jaryd Polson is right!

Women just weren't allowed in a battle
unit in WWII! I don't care how you try
to twist the history, a woman in a commando
unit in WWII just will not fly!

The black thing in World War II has been
twisted by almost everybody, in comic books,
so Gabriel would fly!

The Howling Commandos were an all-man unit
just like all units in WWII. I don't care if
it seems like a sausage fest, that is just
an un-changeable fact! It is ludicrous to
put a woman in a commando unit in WWII! Sorry!

But this is a great cast otherwise!
Very quality actors!

Now there were women in France who fought in
the underground in WWII but they never were
in the military! You could maybe create a
female French character who fights with the
Howling Commandos. But an American woman in
a Commando Unit is so far-fetched it is just
utterly wrong! It's unacceptable!


canadianturd
canadianturd - 5/13/2010, 8:13 AM
I don't understand what you guys are talking about. This is a FICTIONAL UNIVERSE! This isn't BASED on anything real. How is it you guys seem to keep missing that point?

If you guys are pissed off about historical accuracy, you'll be sorely let down when you find out Hitler won't be in the movie.
DDD
DDD - 5/13/2010, 8:52 AM
I myself am not pissed-off Canadianturd@!

It's just too far-fetched to have a woman
in the Howling Commandos unit in WWII.
They didn't even do that in the comics!
That is just too untrue history even for Marvel
comics! There just wasn't any female fighting
soldiers in WWII. Having women in combat is
a very recent thing in American society.
It may be a fictional universe but there are
certain things like this that are just too
un-real to be believed!

I mean no disrespect!
contrast
contrast - 5/13/2010, 12:59 PM
@canadianturd-- You've actually read Captain America comics before, yes? Well, they are, for the most part, very wild and far fetched, as were most stories in comics. (at least, everything prior to the 2000s sort of was) So, could you honestly say that you'd want one of those earlier stories that was just written for a paycheck to be turned directly into a movie? Because those are the stories that completely disregard any scrap of reality.

I mean, yes, the comic universe is fictional, but, The "Batman" television series, starring Adam West. That is what happens when the writers just throw reality out the window.

Also, think about "Watchmen." That comic, and the film, contained some out of place technology, but the only non-historically accurate stuff in the story were things that were directly the result of "tampering" from the world's most powerful man and the world's smartest...

Finally, I, myself, loved "Inglourious Basterds", regardless of the historical inaccuracy, so I'm not saying that the movie has to follow the events to the letter but if you're going to make a movie set primarily in WWII, why ignore the source material?

Because when people do that, we get things like "Barakapool."
canadianturd
canadianturd - 5/13/2010, 5:58 PM
You guys seem to be all over the place with your logic. I'm going to have to respond to all of this with another article.
flames809
flames809 - 5/15/2010, 8:42 AM
i like the cast and i dont mind you having a girl in the team.
jarydevan
jarydevan - 5/15/2010, 7:43 PM
no no no no no spare us another article
true, it's in a make believe universe. but, with comic book movies now-a-days, they try to be as realistic as possible with everything around the characters. in turn, women weren't in WWII as soldiers.
canadianturd
canadianturd - 5/16/2010, 12:19 PM
lol
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