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The 10 Most Confusing Things in 'Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'

"Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" made over $200 million last week. What it didn't make, however, was one lick of sense. (WARNING: contains spoilers)
1. In "Transformers," there was this giant battle in the middle of downtown Los Angeles -- excuse me, Mission City -- that was witnessed by thousands of people at the very least. But somehow the government was able to cover up the whole thing, and now the existence of alien robots is just an internet rumor? How did they do it? Pay off everyone who was there and quickly fix millions of dollars in damage? Also, didn't Keller (Jon Voight) go on TV and tell everyone we were being attacked by "a technological civilization far superior to our own"? How did they spin that?

2. There are two pieces of the Allspark cube left: the military has one under lock and key, and Sam discovers another. The Decepticons steal one and bring Megatron back to life. But when Sam (Shia LaBeouf) wants to bring back Optimus, he has to find the Matrix of Leadership on the other side of the globe. Why not use the other piece? Mikaela (Megan Fox) has it in her backpack the whole time. It brought his kitchen appliances to life, why can't it do the same for Optimus?

3. Speaking of Megatron's rebirth, when the Decepticons venture deep into the ocean to revive him, the Navy crew tracking them reads five contacts. When they get down there, they tear apart one of the robots for parts to rebuild Megatron. Then as they rise to the surface, the same Navy guys say they spot six contacts. The little "Doctor" robot popped out down there, but he's about a third of the size of a person. Would he have shown up on sonar?

4. That reminds me: even if I were to forgive the Doctor's German accent -- and director Michael Bay is asking me to forgive a lot of ridiculous accents -- why would a robot need glasses? He has little lenses that flip in front of his mechanical eyes. Couldn't he just get his eyes adjusted? You'd think with all the laser guns, someone could perform a Lasik procedure.

5. Apparently, Transformers can look like people now. How? And how is it that even though the robo-girl (Isabel Lucas) is made of metal, she can still straddle Sam without crushing him. And if Bumblebee knows something's wrong with her, why does he spit antifreeze at her instead of telling Sam? Yes, his voicebox is broken, but wasn't it fixed at the end of the last movie?

6. The Fallen is the last of the Primes, since they all sacrificed themselves to stop him from destroying the sun. But then he says that Optimus is a descendant of the Primes. First, Transformers have kids? And second, how could he descend from them if they were all dead? And if the Fallen could only be destroyed by a Prime, why didn't the originals just gang up on him back in the day? And what makes Optimus so special, anyway? Megatron beat him earlier, but all it takes is a few spare parts from creaky old Jetfire for him to take out the Fallen?

7. Sam, Mikaela, and Simmons (John Turturro) go to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. to find Jetfire. Then they walk out the back onto a wide open field with old planes and mountains in the distance. When did the National Mall start to look so much like to Tucson, AZ (where they really filmed that scene)?

8. The geography is just as bad when they go to Egypt. The stone city of Petra in Jordan is over 250 miles away, over mountainous terrain, with few paved roads and the Israeli border between them, so how can they drive from one to the other in a couple of hours. And the Pyramids are said to be shooting distance from the Mediterranean, but they are actually well over 80 miles inland. Even if the Navy ship had a secret rail gun, and even if the captain would take an order to fire from a former agent of a government branch that no longer exists (over a walkie-talkie that inexplicably starts working again), how could it hit a moving target from that distance?

9. Sam briefly dies and goes to Robot Heaven. Robot Heaven?!?!

10. Where does Sam's bandage come from? What about his extra sock? Why does Sam's roommate not contribute anything at all? What was the Fallen doing for those thousands of years Megatron was frozen in ice? How does one satellite receive transmissions from everywhere on the planet? Why does Wheelie hump Mikaela's leg? Why do we have to see John Turturro's thong? Why are robots who join together to become Devastator also seen fighting the Army at the same time? Why does the government want only our military fighting Decepticons when our weapons seem unable to make so much as a dent on any of them? Why did the ancient Egyptians build a pyramid around the sun-destroying machines instead of just breaking it? Why is the Matrix of Leadership bigger in the Fallen's hand than in Sam's? And how do Mikaela's pants stay so clean?
37 Yes
17 No
mounted88
6/30/2009

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173 Comments

yeah!

Betty - 6/30/2009, 9:51 PM
Hahahahaha

Totally agree with #2. The whole time I kept thinking, oh they're just gonna use Sam's chunk of the Allspark but no, they needed the Matrix of leadership. Weird.
Joker1Zero - 6/30/2009, 9:55 PM
For number 7 did anyone else think. Why arent civilians going crazy around this 50 ft tall thing in the middle of the museum. Also did anyone else think that "The Matrix of Leadership" was the corniest [frick]en name ever.
\\Knight's Out//
BatmanKnight - 6/30/2009, 10:01 PM
Did anyone else think that this article was strikingly similar to this one: http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-transformers-10-questions.html

Cite what you steal...unless you are actually Matt McDaniel, who writes for Yahoo! Movies.
Duckfish - 6/30/2009, 10:21 PM
i agree with Duckfish

plus i think too many people try to over think this movie, and they end up not enjoying it, and nitpicking at random details. which is a shame, cause if you just turn off your brain and watch it for fun, its easily enjoyable.
DennisW22 - 6/30/2009, 10:23 PM
Yea and you forgot the transformer,Long Haul, that forms into devastors green right leg was also on the ground shooting at the autobots in the egypt last battle scene at the same time. i guess he has the teleporter technology too.
krazed1127 - 6/30/2009, 10:24 PM
@krazed, theres like 10-12 constructions sharing the same set of designs(as they crashed, soundwave sends them prescanned earth modes) thats why you see multiples of each constructicon.

they didnt explain it in the movie(which the really should have to avoid confusion) but the idea was in the books and comic, so it kinda ties up that loose end
DennisW22 - 6/30/2009, 10:32 PM
DennisW22 - "cause if you just turn off your brain and watch it for fun, its easily enjoyable"

Hahaha you're such a moron. A movie can be fun, and make some stretches of logic like Star Trek or Iron Man...but at least they have a STORY with CHARACTERS in it. Michael Bay does NOT direct movies, he is directing the end of the movie industry, and IDIOTS like you turn off your brains the entire time.

You don't need to "over think" a Michael Bay movie to "nit pick" you only need to be able to THINK, clearly you lack that ability. You're either some 10 year old dipshit, or a retard. I am not starting a flame war here, or being a typical internet asshole...I actually mean what I am saying. You're retarded.
Quagmire14 - 6/30/2009, 10:32 PM
All very valid points...including the citation needed. Hell, I even commented on #7 in another thread.
Piotr - 6/30/2009, 10:32 PM
#2 is wrong the use the other piece to wake up that one really old autobot
BOOK552 - 6/30/2009, 10:36 PM
@quagmire, no need to get hostile, i don't understand why people get upset and flustered at others for enjoying a film. i mean calm down you sound like a scorned fanboy. don't be mad at me because you were beyond being able to get in touch with your inner child and just enjoy this, i guess we all lose that ability as we get older.

and im not starting anything but your a douche bag(and also probably a troll). and obviously have some inner struggle if you projecting your angers with a movie onto others.

also who thinks of these idiotic question("Where does Sam's bandage come from? What about his extra sock? ") during a movie? some one whose nitpicking

EDIT: after reading some posts from Quagmire, he is a scorned fanboy whose always negative. "boo hoo, zach snyder changed the end of watchmen", or this gem: "if your a real fan of watchmen you won't like this movie". which by the way i bet i'm more of a watchmen fanboy then you'll ever be (i wrote a 7 page philosophical dissertation on it), and i enjoyed it because ZS actually captured many of the philosophical ideas of the comic. i don't want to see an exact adaptation on screen, because then i know what happens and i'm not surprised.

and now i wish to extend to you an invitation to a message board i participate at, i think you'd fit right in, its a break off group from the TDK IMDB boards:http://darkparadise.createforum.net/index.php
DennisW22 - 6/30/2009, 10:43 PM
Um... as far as #2 goes, the Allspark was used to being JetFire back to life in the museum.

#3, just because they rip one apart doesn't mean he died. There was 5 going down, no Megatron, 6 when he's brought back.
jerrickdamon - 6/30/2009, 10:43 PM
How about this, enjoy the damn movie. You're not a movie critic, you never will be. If you don't like it shut the hell up. You're quippy opinions, likely stolen from someone else, are not needed.
jerrickdamon - 6/30/2009, 10:46 PM
I think someone doesn't want to admit the movie sucked.
slimybug - 6/30/2009, 11:07 PM
#1 Keller wasn't on the news and said that, he was addressing the government agencies.

#2 Sam and them did not know it brought Megatron back.

#3I kinda agree on that one

#4 It was part of his microscope disguise?

5 In the tie ins and novels the girl is actaully a Disneyland animatronic, that Leo (the roommate) Saw on TV and went to tell Sam. That is why he rushed into the room and said "Hey Sam your little bed buddy is AWWW!" he screamed when he saw the robo tounge of doom

6 Yes Transformers can have descendants, it was in the comics.

7 I don't know

8 The Transformers are super advanced aliens and can move faster than average cars. And a Railgun is rediculously fast, it could be fired from the Moon and hit a moving plane on Earth

9. His mind was a repository for all of the Allsparks knowledge, giving him a link to the Primes Sparks.

10 I will answer these later.
THEHAWK - 6/30/2009, 11:08 PM
the prime's have to be brought back only by the matrix right?
gambitfreak - 6/30/2009, 11:09 PM
Here are my questions...

I agree with all of yours btw.

1. Where does Megatron fly to in outer space? Is that the moon, mars, or cybertron.

2. Why didn't the Fallen do anything in Transformers or at least the beginning of this movie? Was he disabled or something? What caused him to just get up all of the sudden?

3. ...and I could have sworn that they mention that there were "primes" located all over the world at various locations (ala Jetfire in that museum). So, is Jetfire a Prime too. I thought all the primes were destroyed. What ever, this was all freaking confusing. Nothing made sense to me.

4. ...and how did Simmons know there was a ship in the med/Red Sea or whatever with the rail gun??? I guess he got lucky.

This movie was complete nonsense, and I'm pretty accepting of mindless summer blockbuster.

JMHO
Macksimus - 6/30/2009, 11:18 PM
wow! some people will cry when its not exactly like the remember it. the movie made perfect sense in the idea that robotic based lifeforms from another planet were to really attack earth. imagine how bad it would be if it were just like the cartoons!
upside - 6/30/2009, 11:18 PM
The first one made complete sense in that it flowed very smoothly.

ROTF is full of plotholes and confusing story arcs.

...it made no sense at all.
Macksimus - 6/30/2009, 11:26 PM
@Macksimus

2 He was biding his time?

3 No Wheelie said they were Old Ones or Ancients, but definately not Primes.

4 Simmons said if they had a battleship equipued with an experimental rail gun he didn't know they did, but guessed correctly
THEHAWK - 6/30/2009, 11:33 PM
@ macksimus.
1- its mars, its not said but this explains why they were there in the first one (when they destroy the rover), their ship the Nemesis crashed there

2- not sure if its mentioned but starscream i think found the fallen when he ventured back to Cybertron after the first film.

3- they didnt call them primes they were just the first wave of transformers to come to earth.

4- mindless plot hole? not really sure, probably luck

a lot of the minor details they left out (but included in the books, comics, etc) should have been included to make these things clearer,it was lazy writing.
DennisW22 - 6/30/2009, 11:33 PM
This shit pisses me off, dip shits like Quagmire will go on and on about how stupid people are for liking this movie, and not thinking while watching it, then when they spout off about all of the errors it turns out that they just failed to comprehend the obvious(#3 being the most blatant example)

1.Only people that were there would believe it that it was real, to everyone else it would be just like any other viral campaign or conspiracy theory.

2.Sam's piece was used to revive Jetfire.

3.Megatron did not swim down to revive himself, but he did swim up after having been revived.

4.Even someone with 20/20 vision benefits from magnification at some point, his model just didn't have electronic zoom being as it was a microscope.

5.Looks like the explanation was cut from the film. You have no idea how much she weighed though, nor do you know that Bumble Bee has the ability to identify Transformers, if you'll notice the Twins did not know they were surrounded by Constructicons later in the film.

6.We don't know what makes a Prime a Prime, this is classic example of nit picking based on evidence-less preconception. The Fallen was Centuries old, Optimus was young and suped up.

7.Although, there is no airplane graveyard at any of them, their are three branches of the Smithsonian Air and Space museum, it was a leap, just like "Mission City" having one next to a graveyard.

8.Geography is regularly flubbed in movie, but this one seems like a legit issue, but the shooting of Devastator is not, he was not a moving target, he was posted up on top of a pyramid when he was shot with a mythical gun.

9.He was revived by the Matrix, he talked to the Primes whose memory was preserved in it.

10.The room mate did contribute, he is how Sam met up with Turturro's character. The rest are just stupid whiny bullshit.

Jetfire was not a Prime, he was just one of the old guard sent to Earth.
HarrisonBergeron - 6/30/2009, 11:47 PM
also for # 5 didnt sam tell mikayla 'it was like getting humped by a....'

i dont remember what he compared it to but it was something heavy.




DennisW22 - 6/30/2009, 11:56 PM
Number one the movie was awsome! i loved it I had a great time im seeing again with my dad and nephew and then in imax. Now the all spark brimgs mecheans to life but it also kills them remeber at the end of the first on when it killed megatron,so it would of done the same. Now about your number two @"Mackisimus" It took a prime to destroy him They killed prime and he got up and went to earth! i dont know what your saying.

And see this proves my point. There were big giant transfroming robots and ass holes like u and this guy look at story and plot and details that i can give a shit about!!!! It's and action movie a summer block buster sit there and enjoy it And shut the hell up! Ass hole!!!! >:0

Logan-X - 6/30/2009, 11:56 PM
Okay WTF is with people going on and on about people liking this movie being stupid. People are allowed to have an opinion, I'm sure there are things you like that other people don't. Does that make you stupid, childish or any other pathetic insult you can come up with?

Was there not an article about the script and something to do with the writers strike? Could be the reason some of you think there's no story but the action is still kick ass. And again everyone is allowed to have their own opinion on M.B, but the numbers don't lie, I would like to see what kind of transformers movie some of you could write and direct, since you all know so much more than the professionals.
BarneyStinson - 7/1/2009, 12:02 AM
Explanations sound good to me haha! I enjoyed the film, maybe a little more than the first since there was more transformers interacting with transformers in this one besides epic fights. Might not be the smartest or best explained movie ever, but who cares? great action flick.

also @HarrisonBergeron #8 the railgun isn't mythical, just pop over to youtube and you can see the naval tests shots for it. (It's not as awesome as the movie made it)
Rhither - 7/1/2009, 12:23 AM
@Logan-X

Thanks, everybody else responded to my post respectfully and without any name calling (which I appreciate btw).

...but thanks anyways..."ass hole!!!"
Macksimus - 7/1/2009, 12:29 AM
I agree with you Barneystinson; I would never bash anybody for their opinion (especially one about a movie), but I don't appreciate when people bash others because they disliked the movie either.

...you know what I'm sayin?
Macksimus - 7/1/2009, 12:33 AM
This is way late but yes BatmanKnight, the Matrix of Leadership is a terrible name. It was however a part of the 1986 Transformers animated movie. I assume Michael Bay's inclusion of the matrix was his attempt to please hardcore fans...too bad he makes such bad movies. If I were 12, this movie would have been Citizen Kane.
harrisonefreeman - 7/1/2009, 12:33 AM
On Number 7. They aren't at the Air and Space Museum on the mall in actual D.C. There is an additional museum in a hangar attached to Dulles Airport. That's the one they were at.

The giant double doors that Jetfire knocks down open onto runway in reality I think, since the doors were used to get the excellent variety of aircraft into the hangar for display.

If you like aircraft from many generations it's worth a visit.
mightygitis - 7/1/2009, 12:41 AM
that is a lot of questions man. as far as Devastator goes and the constructicons. They are basically two different things which kind of pisses me off. The constructicons kinda cloned themselves for a lack of terms and then Devastator started to form. He is basically a giant robot made out of vehicles and not other constructicons.
LaffaTaffa - 7/1/2009, 1:02 AM
Im sure if we all took the time we could come up with a list of problems with every movie.......but it seems to be popular to hate on transformers........i for one loved the film and was happy to be entertained, its just a shame that others feel the need to cry like lil girls cus they had HUMANS IN MY ROBOT MOVIE....boo hooo
teabag - 7/1/2009, 1:09 AM
HarrisonBergeron, I am sorry we share names, your counter explanations make little to no sense. Here is my ridiculous response to your ridiculous response:

1. Based on your logic, only observers believe events happen. So ,logically, we can assume that only the people in and around the Twin Towers believe they were attacked, or, only people who fought in Viet Nam believe there was actually a war, or the moon landing or the holocaust...you see my point.

2. Yes Sam used his piece of the cube to revive Jetfire, but why didn't he just bypass the revival of an old transformer and just try to bring Optimus back to life?

3. Let me clarify because I do not think you understood this one. It's like a 5th grade word problem. 5 decepticons swim to the bottom of the ocean. 1 decepticon is used for scrap (minus 1) to rebuild megatron (plus1) so the problem is 5-1+1 which of course equals 5. But the radar says 6. This is bad math. But I think the answer is that the scrapped decepticon was only partially disassemble and was able to return with everyone else. At least this is my educated guess.

4. Robots do not have "20/20" vision. They are not humans. Given all the amazing things we have to believe to make this story work, I agree, it is ridiculous that a robot would need glasses. It was purely an aesthetic choice and a bad one at that.

5. I kind of agree with this one.

6. I'm pretty sure "evidence-less" is not a word. It is true we don't know where Transformer babies come from...or do we? Weren't there weird hatchling things in the Fallen's lair area? Either way, speaking of preconceptions, how do you know how old or souped up Optimus Prime is?

7. There are several branches of the Smithsonian, but none of them are in Arizona. Also, in several shots in this museum, we see the "Enola Gay" which has been on display at the Smithsonian, but (provided the internet is not lying) the Enola Gay is currently being stored in Arizona....soooooooo

8. I agree, this geographical mistake is legit. I also agree somewhat with that fact that devastator was not a "moving target," what I don't agree with is the term "mythical gun." I don't think mythical is the adjective you are looking for. Fictional perhaps.

9. How do you know Sam was "received" by the Matrix? Even if this is so, it is about as cheesy as robot heaven. But, seeing as how the Matrix was all dust at the time Sam fake died, I don't see how it could have received him.

10. The room mate did bring Sam and Simmons back together, however this is something that the magic of writing could have fixed without the annoying room mate plot device.


harrisonefreeman - 7/1/2009, 1:20 AM
Talk abut splitting hairs jesus
marcolanni - 7/1/2009, 1:23 AM
with #2 in both movies sam is NEVER told that the piece of the allspark could bring one of them back to life, so how would he know to use it?

hes only first told about it to 'reactivate' jetfire, then its gone.
DennisW22 - 7/1/2009, 1:46 AM
harrisonefreeman remind me to never watch a movie with you....jesus give me your fav film and il pick the shit out of that...but here are my answers anyway

I DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!!just enjoy the movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh and since tou have no idea about transformers why comment on weather they would need glasses or not?? As from the begining it is said they age....if they age then things fail...like eyesight
teabag - 7/1/2009, 2:27 AM
DennisW22 and HarrisonBergeron, you to are complete and total... ah I'm just shittin' ya. I could not agree more with either of you on this subject. DennisW22, superb handling of Quagmire, who yet again proves his mind is his namesake. I have a few more answers though:

To whoever wrote this:

1. People laugh about the FEMA coffins and Northwoods. You think the entire world is supposed to believe a martian robot attack on a single city with no more occurrences and the one politician who said something on live TV. That's why he isn't Secretary of Defense anymore. He was clearly suffering from some severe mental illness forcing him to resign. As for the damage, that was some Muslim terrorist cell... get the hint.

2. Like several have pointed out, it was used to revive Jetfire.

3. They take a leg from the expendable bot, much to his surprise it seemed, but that would hardly kill him. Starscream is seen at one point in the movie carrying his own severed arm and reattaching it onscreen just for reference.

4. As far as the accents involving ALL of the Transformers, in the first one, Prime said they downloaded our language from the internet. As sentient beings, they would most likely adopt vocalizations pleasing to them. As for the lenses, I suspect them to be allowing him to change visible spectrum's most likely, though it be a seemingly inefficient way.

5. In regards to her looking human, this may just be a [frick] you from Bay himself for all the griping about the robots not looking human enough in part one. I think Bumble Bee was more disgusted by the thought of Sam cheating on Mikaela, not that he sensed a Decepticon.

6. In the comics there were 13 Primes created by Primus to protect the universe from his evil twin Unicron. The Fallen betrayed his creator and became an Acolyte of Unicron. The movie said there were only 5(or 6 I can't remember exactly) but I remember in the animated movie that Prime passed on his role and title as a Prime when he died. Though the Matrix of Leadership was used to do so in this instance. Also, when Primus created the Primes and the first transformers, he gave them his Matrix, in the comics, which served the same purpose. Wasn't addressed in the movie, but wasn't ruled out.

7. Never been to any of the Smithsonian branches. No comment.

8. Geography is a bit off I give you that, but in regards to a the Railgun taking out Devastator... that is perfectly pheasable and totally within the realm of our reality. Railguns use massive amounts of electricity, 30+ Megajoules actually, to create intensely strong magnetic fields to propel a non explosive conductive metal slug, typically aluminum. This slug waighs about 8 lbs and immediately reaches mach 8 upon leaving the rails. The shear velocity allows for an enormous flight time with pinpoint accuracy and could easily hit targets 220 miles away... if you'd google the world 'railgun' you would know this.

9. Your assuming there is a 'Heaven' of any sort to begin with, this is another instance of reactive conditioning, you see afterlife, you think heaven. In the books, Unicron and Primus could enter the Astral Plane, as well as a few Primes. Sam had an out of body experience.

10. His under-shirt. He stole his roomies. He leads Sam to Simmons. Searching for Megatron and the Allspark, duh. It was a U.S. military defense satellite. Wouldn't you? To remind you not to wear one. Multiple pre-scanned Transformers, like in the books. Cause our our government is retarded(yea I said it). LMAO, you just stated even modern tech barely hurts the Decepticons, I guess the Egyptians could have asked the Sun-god to help them with it, but that would be too showy. It reformed from dust, what more do you want. She sprayed them with Pam!

Booyah!
TheMyth - 7/1/2009, 2:36 AM
teabag, Transformers is your favorite film? Sorry. I was simply responding to the thread which was in essence a picking apart of the film...sooooo I thought that's what we were doing here. As for the 'not having any idea about transformers' thing... I thought it was obvious that I was speaking more from a writing standpoint than a nerd semantic point of view. I think everyone here knows Transformers aren't real and if they were, they would probably get a comprehensive health insurance package that included vision, especially if they are government employees. Last thing-telling to "just enjoy the movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" doesn't work if the movie is a piece of shit. I can suspend disbelief and forgive plenty of cheesiness but some things go above and beyond...
harrisonefreeman - 7/1/2009, 3:13 AM
I think the only guys that thought ROTF sucked are the same guys that loved WOLVIE PANTS!!! : D

Atleast they didn't bend PRIME over for the whole movie!!!

TRANSFORMERS was the sweetest! Blew me away right at the start!!!

WOLVERINE BORIGINS just blew!!! ; D

Teabag @ You go man!! ; )

9 outta 10 movie easy!!!

BETTY @ Nice A$$! Heh heh
LEEE777 - 7/1/2009, 3:36 AM
harrisonefreeman...yeah it is right next to Hancock and Muppets in space...and yeah i knew tou were coming from a writing point of view since i was reading not listening to what you said

And yes....being a normal down to earth non pesimistic kinda guy is above and beyond for some people

AND WHAT THE [frick] DO YOU MEAN TRANSFORMERS ARE NOT REAL, NEXT YOU WILL TELL ME WOLVERINE IS A WELL THOUGHT OUT AND CONCEIVED MOVIE....4ULEE................I HOPE SANTA DOESNT BRING YOU ANY PRESENTS THIS YEAR

LEEEE its the sociolists i tell ya ;)
teabag - 7/1/2009, 3:54 AM
I know computers don't always get tone across correctly so let me just say that if you have a dictionary you can put your hand to, look up the word facetious. Also how does disliking an obviously bad movie make someone a pessimist?
harrisonefreeman - 7/1/2009, 4:05 AM
Betty @ Why you keep posting my avatar's butt on here lol
mounted88 - 7/1/2009, 4:37 AM
OH! This looks like fun! My turn! :D


1: A technological civilization does not need to be "alien". Maybe the Koreans have been hiding something away for a long, long time. I don't remember this scene from the first one, so if this doesn't do you, see TheMyth's reason.

2: It can, but it was used on Jetfire.

3: I thought the sixth signal represented Megatron, I thought they noticed it after he moved out of the rubble. I could be wrong. If so, you are already watching a tiny robot alien, that came out of another robot alien, resurrect a third robot alien, and you're worried about the sonar.

4: Jetfire explains they age just like the rest of them, and being on Earth, it isn't like they can just go down to the auto-parts store and pick up a new pair of eyes. Outside of any "mystical" forces (i.e. Cube, Matrix, etc), repairs are limited, and still dependant upon a repairman's (such as Ratchet) abilities. Besides, God forbid they use humanesque physical characteristics to define a character.

5: Well they already have a mini-civilization on Mars, no telling what all they have come up with up there. And Bumblebee doesn't know anything is wrong with her, he is just being a dick because Sam is "cheating" on Mikeala. No, it only worked for a bit, kind of like that old TV that the picture is fuzzes, but you smack it and it works. Sam explains he is still having trouble with it.

6: He was to powerful to stop in his younger days, but eventually he could be stopped, and when done, it would have to be a Prime (or descendant thereof). It's not just the parts that give Prime power, it was Jetfire's ancient spark. If you have the body of a God, but the spirit of a stoner, you don't expect a whole lot do you? Same works vice versa, Jetfire has a powerful spirit (spark) but an old body. Put it in Prime and watch the Eff out!

7: I don't remember why the air field, I will still give this question a shot... When giant living robots fell to Earth... Really? Time cut? Space bridge? Any of the above?

8: Because if the movie took a 7 hour interlude for their road trip you would be really pissed. Time cut?
If the Navy did develop a secret rail gun to take out a GIANT RACE OF FLYING ROBOTS would you rather it be developed to be shot at point blank range after asking him to please stand still while you aim?

9: I thought it was an implanted memory from the shock of the Allspark fragment. Not so much he died and went to "Heaven" but activated a copied version of the ancient's personalities.

10: Ok seriously, at this point this has been waaaay more than 10 confusing things, but #10 here really pushed it over the edge, but here we go.
*takes in a deep breath*

Time Cut.

Time Cut.

Sometimes your leg falls asleep and you just have to drag that limp f***er around.

Having Starscream give him "botjobs" all day. Serously... He is an "evil master-mind", they like to plot things for a very, very long time.

Soundwave gave it some Red Bull.

Micheal Bay and Robert Orci have a childish sense of humor.

See above.

They aren't, those are separate bots.

Ever seen how the government reasons things?

Because they really thought it brought the desert together. Seriously, how would you go about destroying massively powerful robot tech when all you got are rocks and sticks?

It came from dust, it's obviously screwy to begin with. Be glad Bay and Orci didn't shape it like a wang.

Tide On The Go.
J. "Falcon" Ayers - 7/1/2009, 4:45 AM
i think you are overthinking things just a little dont u think why dont you just enjoy the movie i know i did and i can still admitt it had problem but who cares just watch it and dont look into it that much
gamerjoe - 7/1/2009, 4:54 AM
everybpdy is entitled to their opinions, but when it gets to people havin a go at other people for their opinions, then i think ya need 2 get a life an stop bein nitpicky over others opinions, if ya thought the movie was crap for whatever reason, so be it. myself, i thought the movie rocked bigtime (in the uk its a good thing) as i said in another thread, its got action, its got drama, its got 40 ft odd robots kickin the frick out of each other. as a transformers fan as a kid (im 24) it brought back a lot of good memories for me, an what ya all gotta remember, ya cant have a like for like comic to movie adaptation, theres gonna be differences, theres gonna b changes. sometimes ya just cant have it the way you want a film 2 be. thats my opinion an just take it for that...
danialj84 - 7/1/2009, 5:09 AM
@mounted88..if you think you have found some flaws in this movie...how can i contact you cuz i have this review that just picks up even more crap
Anil Rickly - 7/1/2009, 6:09 AM
I have been a fan of this website for a number of months now, and I felt VERY compelled, after reading this post, to offer my opinion. I created this account simply for this purpose.

1. Wholeheartedly agree with this one. Logically speaking, I'm relatively certain there are large-scale cover-ups like this one in real life. But then again, how would we know?

2. This is an excellent point that I thought of during the movie myself. It would have saved us an hour, at least, if they had just done that. And there is no reason to assume that it would not work.

3. I am not so sure the Doctor would have showed up on radar...But if that were the case, then I would be speaking negatively for the technological capabilities of the U.S. military, which is the most advanced in the world.

4. I imagine the glasses (and all the other aesthetic creativity they incorporated into the film) were just choices to make the characters more human, or at least easier for us to accept. Another argument for the use of the glasses is maybe they actually did serve some kind of purpose that is left unmentioned in the film.

5. Transformers looking human? The answer is yes, they can. Transformers who look like humans are called "Pretenders". They are actually embedded both in the 1988 toy line, the Marvel Comic books, and were first portrayed in Japan in the series, "Super God Masterforce".

6. I, personally, cannot find any reason why The Fallen can be killed only by a Prime. It does not make sense. The film says that he was stronger than his brothers but does not give a reason why. Perhaps he was created first? But if that were the case, why is he not falling apart like Jetfire? But to speak on the other point made here, the Transformers are capable of passing on their genetics through descendants. I cannot speak on whether this is canon with any of the several television adaptations, but it is in the Marvel Comics line. This is just a classic case of "this is how it HAS to be done and there is no question about it." The typical old-school cliché action movie criterion. But it does not fly in today's "everything needs an explanation" mentality.

7. This was an honest mistake, in my opinion. Had they not rushed the film because of the writer's strike and what not, I think they would have caught this. I'm surprised they did not clean it up in the editing room.

8. I have nothing to say on this point. I completely agree with it. The rail gun did not seem to fire a missile of any kind (which would make more sense insofar as being able to guide its direction is concerned). It fired what appeared to be some kind of blue energy burst. And not only that, but it nailed Devastater dead-on. Given the actual distance between the coast and the Pyramids, it's not impossible, but HIGHLY unlikely this would have occurred.

9. The term for this is, Deus Ex Machina. The fact that he dies and the spirits of the Primes come to him to inform Sam of his destiny and the Matrix of Leadership (horrible name) magically re-assembles itself was there solely for the purpose of restoring Prime, which would in turn push the story forward (had Prime stayed dead, no one would have been able to kill The Fallen, supposedly). It was a convenient way out. Just not a very convincing one.

10. I think this last point is that the film is filled, and I mean FILLED, with inexplicable things. It was outrageous, loud, and dumb. I cannot even bring myself to say that the fun I had watching this movie was fun worth having. It really was a bad movie. And the sad thing is, had they not rushed it, it may have been a bit better.

[EA]
EpochAmeiroir - 7/1/2009, 6:12 AM
the thing is it is about the characters and the story, if it weren't we'd be watching gobots. with all the resources the studio had this should have been a better movie. and what makes a prime a prime? the matrix. which further convolutes the storyline because optimus prime shouldn't be a prime to begin with. here's how it works. ultra magnus+ matrix= ultra magnus. nope. hot rod+matrix= rodimus prime. yep. orion pax+matrix= optimus prime. makes sense. optimus prime+matrix= optimus prime.how?
theeambassador - 7/1/2009, 6:29 AM
people overanalyze this movie. i mean im sure someone could come up with a working reason behind all of these but its just a movie. a lot of transformers is made up and plus the world of the transformers is a mystery so things aren't really supposed to make sense right away for humans. if you knew you were gonna take it so seriously, you shouldnt have gone to see it in the 1st place.
kikaider85 - 7/1/2009, 6:49 AM
#7 - The museum they actually are at is the Udvar-Hazy Center located in Chantilly, VA near Dulles Airport. It is part of the National Air & Space Museum just not the one at the Mall. There is an airfield back there although it doesn't look like AZ...
Kyrilean - 7/1/2009, 7:19 AM
Did anyone else notice Bumblebee disappear for huge chunks of scenes! He'd be driving along a fight would ensue and he's nowhere to be seen.

I can only think he was on the cutting room floor.
Robsaggs - 7/1/2009, 7:22 AM
I dont like it when people tell me that I 'have to' turn my brain off to enjoy the movie. I am all for suspenion of disbelief...but I absolutely refuse to turn my brain off 'for anything'!

This movie was extremely rushed...the effects were great but the movie is terrible.
Jojo Risin - 7/1/2009, 7:23 AM
1. It was poor story telling, but at the same time, no he didnt announce that on the news, it was a message to Military.

2. Because Sam isnt smart enough to figure that is how they brought megatron back. Also, the last time he jammed the cube into someone's chest, they died.

3. The one swims back up missing body parts. Frenzy lived without his entire body in the first, so it wouldnt be the first time.

4. Agreed that the accents where annoying, but ok, this is just nitpicking. They are LIVING robots, whats to say the circutry to their eyes cant go bad. They cant even keep Bumblebees voice fixed apparently.

5. Read the book and the comics. She wasnt decepticon technology, she was earth technology that was turned decepticon.

6. Read the comics, he was a baby when they left, and they hid him.

7 & 8. Yeah, that bugged me too. Along with jetfire being an old man.

9. Yeah, a bit much, huh.

10. Bandage - Oh come on now. They needed a way to cover up that the actor broke his hand.
Sock - Cereal dude???
Roommate - Agreed. Hated him!
Fallen - Solitaire?
Sattelite - Cause it was imbeded with decepticon technology, the same kind that could hack military networks in seconds.
Humping Mikaela's leg - I would have too.
Devestator - There were about 10 constructicons. Read the book and comics.
Military - The same reason we are involved in wars we shouldnt be, our government is stubborn!
Pyramid - they probably had no way of destroying that kind of technology during that day and age. Cant see a wooden spear doing that much damage.
Matrix - Ugg.
Mikaela - She has a tide pen with her at all times.

alexlunar - 7/1/2009, 7:24 AM
can someone please asnwer this for me. i have one thing that is the most confusing about transformers both 1 and 2. the allspark is what gives transformers life. ALL transformers. so why then does it only make bad ones in the movies? both in the 1 and 2 ones every piece of technologiy that it touches comes to life as a decepticon. shooting people etc.....shouldnt the spark make both bad AND good robots? or at the least, it should make blank ones who then (as jetfire explains in t2) could choose which side they wanted? that never made any sense to me. somebody please explain.
superdog - 7/1/2009, 7:27 AM
I can only answer a few of these, because I dont' remember the whole movie.

1.I got nothing because I don't remember the TV announcement.

2. The cube can't bring them back to life without having to do some kind of rebuilding. And none of the Autobots are expendable to do so.

3. The Doctor is apparently too small to appear on radar. And honestly, the general public really wouldn't know how much a sonar can pick up. That and the Doctor hitched a ride with one of the other Decepticons.

4. The glasses thing is just to help with giving them personalities, and something for us to relate to. The accents help us also to relate, and it would be boring as crap to hear monotone voices the whole damn time.

5. How can a Decepticon not look like someone? Who says they can't mimic human tissue?

6. He could descend from them by maybe a Prime offering his Spark to create Optimus, or they themselves used the Allspark to make him alive, to help keep any evil at bay while they sacrificed themselves. Megatron beat him earlier, but with two other Decepticons. And yes, apparently that's all it takes is Jetfire's old parts to kick the Fallen's ass. And the Primes didn't gang up on him, I guess because they didn't want to kill their own, but I'm really not sure.

7.Honestly, I didn't notice about the difference in the settings, and neither did any of my friends, brother, or sister in law never caught it, so must not be that big of a deal. But it is inconsistent, no excuse for it.

8.Honestly, no one I was with noticed that, nor have I heard anyone noticing it unless you specifically studied it or something, not exactly common knowledge and it didn't hurt the movie.

9. Yeah, Sam going to robot Heaven...that was weird.

10. You do see Mikaela bandage Sam's hand, it's not a main scene it's off to the side happens when they regroup after the teleportation. Didn't Simmons give them some kind of info using his online conspiracy? That and he added comedy relief. Soundwave amplifies the satellite, hence no need to grab any more. Wheelie humps her because it's funny, I laughed. I didn't notice the inconsistency with Devastator and his different parts fighting at the same time. Our military can bring them down, it takes a lot of fire power but it does work. The Egyptians didn't break it, because they feared the Fallen and his wrath. The Matrix of Leadership is pretty big actually it's as long as Sam's arm, but maybe it can change size to fit the one that holds it, I mean it put itself back together, so why not? Asking how Mikaela kept her pants so clean is like asking how does the cast from Lost always have a clean face, trimmed hair, no weight loss etc. It's not a make or break, it's just pants.
Stumblin - 7/1/2009, 7:27 AM
Mr. Jojo Risin-THATS WHAT I'M SAYING! I have seen several people on this thread tell people to just "enjoy the movie"-just accept it for what it is blah blah blah. If something sucks, then it sucks! I agree, robots kicking the shit out of each other awesome, but forced love stories, ebonics transformeres (voiced by Spongebob?) and giant balls???? Balls. That's what this franchise is reduced to. Michael Bay literally put balls in everyone's faces! If you all want to pay for balls in your faces then be my guest.
harrisonefreeman - 7/1/2009, 7:39 AM
I don't understand why people get so crazy with the fact other people have a difference of opinion. I mean I look @ transformers 2 ways. 1. As a Bay movie. Which was really good. Tons of explosions, hot chicks, (Which they needed take more clothes off Megan Fox not put more on.) & No plot. & 2. As a movie movie. Which it just sucked. Now I personally didn't care for this movie. I thought it was just plain dumb. I know for those who LOVED it, I'M the idiot for thinking different then you. Plus I can't remember who said it but someone on this thread & I'm not going to go back & look said something about not being a movie critic so shut the hell up. I think everyone is a movie critic. We just don't get paid for it. I mean everyone in here is give their opinions on the movie. All in all I thought the movie was LAME. But if you liked it, Rock on. I hope they make a 3rd for you people & I hope you enjoy it.
mativ16 - 7/1/2009, 7:41 AM
teabag pays for balls in his face....whats wrong with that?
superdog - 7/1/2009, 7:43 AM
and could someone please answer my question as to why the allspark only makes decepticons?
superdog - 7/1/2009, 7:43 AM
@SuperDog- I cannot answer your question... i have tried t and tried but it doesnt make any sense .Maybe the all spark is evil. Or maybe like all the questions put forward by Mr. Daniels this is just another example of bad writing. I feel like Michael Bay and his Lot are just a bunch of Stray dogs . Bad Dogs! Bad BAy, NO,NO!
shibazz - 7/1/2009, 7:59 AM
but its the same writers as star trek, very dissapointing. i dont believe there is an answer either. i think its just a way to make stupid robots out of kitchen appliances soda machines and car steering wheels so they can shoot at people and make stupid jokes.
superdog - 7/1/2009, 8:07 AM
I think the reason they seem hostile is because they are just created, they have no idea what's going on, or where they are consider all that is not a robot form a threat. At least that's my two cents worth.
Stumblin - 7/1/2009, 8:12 AM
valiant effort stumblin. the problem is if it was cause they were just made and have no idea whats going on i believe they would try to hide or act out in fear. but they clearly specifically seek out humans and shoot at them. also thanks to michael bay he likes to put in laughing sounds and gleeful noices etc. so clearly its malicious,
superdog - 7/1/2009, 8:20 AM
IN THE FIRST MOVIE, OPTIMUS PRIME NARRATES WHILE THE CUBE IS TRAVELING THROUGH SPACE, HE SAYS THE ALLSPARK MAKES IT TO AN UNKNOWN PLANET CALLED EARTH, IN THE NEW MOVIE...THEY SAY TRANSFORMERS HAVE BEEN ON THERE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS....HUH?
GUNSMITH - 7/1/2009, 8:25 AM
Dudes just watch the movie as a movie not as historical events that actually matter. Talk about not having a life. This is what this douche bag did.... Hmm I think I'm gonna go see TROF as a documentary and I'm gonna find everything wrong with it and then complain about it until it's fixed. Yea good luck with that moron. Good job retard you just wasted your own money to watch a movie just to complain about it. What a sad and pathetic life you must live. I feel sorry for you.
Kratos6 - 7/1/2009, 8:47 AM
ok this may jst b me but at the start of the film wen thay are in the artic or where ever it is wen optimas talks why do u see his breath ???? he is a robot is he not. I dnt no alot bout transformers so if any 1 nos y this is pls let me no.
Roscoe182 - 7/1/2009, 8:53 AM
kratos.....we understand that it is just a movie, but we enjoy movies, and this site is dedicated to discussing them. if we just accepted everything in them and said its just a movie who cares, then nobody would on here discussing them and we would have nothing to do all day. think how boring that would be? id rather be on here arguing with you guys then working, so let us argue :)
superdog - 7/1/2009, 8:56 AM
To all those people that say 'Shut up and watch the robots fight and turn your brain off' I have one thing to say. If I want to watch a movie for one thing I'll watch...wait for it...PORN! Sheesh.
Piotr - 7/1/2009, 9:02 AM
Touche superdog, good points. Another explanation could be that they are underdeveloped, their minds at least, and maybe they are hostile naturally but must be taught otherwise and then choose their side.
Stumblin - 7/1/2009, 9:06 AM
you cant turn your brain off for porn man. those things have intricate plots and character development......moreso than alot of the transformers characters.
superdog - 7/1/2009, 9:07 AM
@superdog, it makes no sense, when prima started making more robots with lasercore (allspark), there were no factions, just more bay bullshit
@kratos6, who gives a shit about her personality, she has a vagina tits and ass, you must be very easy to please. because it has the title transformers, people expect something from it. it didn't meet expectations is a nice way of putting it so people are upset. commenting on us commenting is an entirely different story in and of itself.
theeambassador - 7/1/2009, 9:07 AM
thats possibley the only explanation is that they are like children......but not all children are hostile, except in public schools.....ill just accept the fact that it doesnt make sense, just like lots of other stuff in the movies. i still enjoyed them for what they were though.
superdog - 7/1/2009, 9:09 AM
True, yeah, I've been trying to figure out why they are always evil too. I still liked them myself.
Stumblin - 7/1/2009, 9:14 AM
Its Transformers. You guys need to get a real life and stop wasting your time analyzing every detail of something that does not matter in the slightest.
cable82 - 7/1/2009, 9:16 AM
it just matters enough for you to take the time out of your busy schedule to post? that's almost as contradictory as REAL LIFE.
theeambassador - 7/1/2009, 9:27 AM
hello? we realize we are wasting our lifes.....but again, better than wasting it at work :)
superdog - 7/1/2009, 9:28 AM
Personally, I really liked the movie.
I grew up on the Transformers, Star Wars and G.I. Joe...
I find it really awesome that my childhood is being played out on the big screen. And, if you think you could do a better job than Mr. Bay, why aren't you making the movie? Anyone who has the audacity to pick the movie apart needs to get a life. It is after all a movie...based on a toy...
There are far too many people with way too much time on their hands...


RedneckPrime - 7/1/2009, 9:36 AM
such as yourself redneckprime? your also on here with us reading all the post and commenting. do you not have better things to do with your time?
superdog - 7/1/2009, 9:38 AM
or maybe we're bored at work and can't wait to get home and live our lives. i can cut and paste superdogs comment to about a million dickish comments made like redneck primes. it's like telling someone you're not talking to them. be the better example and live your awesome life.
theeambassador - 7/1/2009, 9:47 AM
Lets see........facetious....does that mean shit in Klingon ?????
teabag - 7/1/2009, 9:50 AM
I haven't even seen the movie yet,(waiting to take the Mrs. to a double feature with Public Enemies) but I find it so funny that the arguments for this one are about how much was changed from the cartoon. Most people have accepted that, and moved on.

What is being talked about it the ridiculous story/plot and characters. Which is what most people talk about when it comes to movies. And people get upset? Why? This is what we've done to films for over 100 years.

And I have never seen so much defending for a Michael Bay film. What everyone is complaining about is in ALL his films.
TucsonRican - 7/1/2009, 9:52 AM
REGARDLESS IF IT WAS BAD OR GOOD OR IF THE STORY WAS CRAP OR IF THINGS WAS RIGHT OR WRONG IT DOESNT MATTER, WE CAN TALK UNTIL TRANSFORMERS 10 AND IT WONT MEAN MUCH BECAUSE THE MOVIE MADE MONEY,,IT MADE MONEY.MICHAEL BAY IS LAUGHING DRIVING TO THE BEACH IN HIS LAMBO BECAUSE HE MADE SERIOUS MONEY.WERE IN A RECCESSION AND PEOPLE LOSING THEIR JOBS AND HOUSES AND BAY IS ON THE BEACH WITH HIS LAPTOP THINKING WHAT ARE THESE GUYS TALKING ABOUT?THEN GOING ON EBAY HAVING GRIPES ON "WHAT SHOULD I BUY TODAY?"..MOVIE MADE BANK..THE END
GUNSMITH - 7/1/2009, 10:01 AM
it made money. i can tell you from experience all money ain't good money. i'd admire my daughter if she was a receptionist more than if she was a pornstar that could buy me a Lambo. when did we say [frick] quality?
theeambassador - 7/1/2009, 10:08 AM
Dam sociolists
teabag - 7/1/2009, 10:16 AM
I am bored at work.....just killing time.


vonstallin - 7/1/2009, 10:20 AM
Hey like superdog said, bored at work, and it's fun just debating about the movie or whatever! It's funny how some people RedneckPrime get so bent out of shape, when the one's arguing aren't even taking this personally but outside readers are. Just get over it.

By the way, I absolutely love the argument "Well if you think you can do better why don't you make it?" That is absolutely retarded, you think the critics can make a movie? No. But they understand the formulas and elements that make a good movie and depending on the genre. For example, Creed, his music sucks, most agree, but most can't even play an instrument, yet we still understand he blows donkey balls. Case and point, you don't have to be able to do something to call it out.
Stumblin - 7/1/2009, 10:29 AM
I’m not the biggest fan of what they have done with the TF movies but I will respectfully defend the possibilities of the characters and events.

1. Anything that is not witnessed first hand becomes television and or internet phenomenon. Seeing as how the government wanted to cover it up, television footage would have been removed leaving only internet coverage and maybe hundreds of eye witnesses. Anything these days that’s only online and only witnessed by hundreds of people is reduced to rumor. When the government tries to cover up a world wide event hundreds or thousands of people doesn't make much of an impact more than rumor.

2. I didn't remember seeing them get the Allspark fragment back after reviving Jetfire. It was pulled onto the surface of the Blackbird jet and we never saw it again.

3. Maybe the Doctor did register on the submarine radar, or maybe the surrounding energy brought Jazz back online who knows or maybe they picked up some bot parts just moving around due to all the movement down there at the time. There were a lot of big parts moving around down there, enough to erroneously report 6 active bots.

4. As for the Doctors "glasses," who knows if they are glasses? It's alien technology. Maybe it's something more than meets the eye. We don't know. This is a movie dealing with made up technology that if existed we have no comprehension of. With such technology you can't just see something and say "hey that looks like something from Earth, what's the point of having that?"

5. Coinciding with advanced alien technology, it is completely possible for the robo-girl to interact with Sam and not reveal her robo qualities. First she could have been made out of a light weight metal to put her weight no heavier than 150 lbs or so. Enough weight to significantly damage a car with force and light enough not to crush a human body. Also her touch could have been deceiving due to advanced haptic technology. Recently Samsung has created a touch screen phone that makes the on screen buttons feel cold, warm, like metal, and various other feelings. It works by sending a certain feedback to the skin that the brain processes. This is where haptic technology is going, and in an advanced alien technology it is completely possible for haptic technology to be capable of creating a soft skin touch. She was not detected by Bumblebee because in this movie they said the bots can hide their signal which prevents other bots from finding them. Bumblebee just attacked her because he was loyal to Mikaela.

6. I think this was the first time in the TF universe (besides TF Animated) that we saw hatchlings. There must have been Prime hatchings in existence at the time the original Primes went into hiding to protect the Matrix. Jetfire is surprised that Sam even knows a Prime, so the Decepticons probably went around killing Primes but clearly, a few survived long enough to Optimus' creation. The Primes did oppose the Fallen but it seems that numbers were on his side with many more Decepticons. The original Primes probably saw the autobots losing and decided to go into hiding and for the most part it worked. Their plan protected earth for thousands of years. Probably the only reason a Prime could defeat another Prime (the Fallen) is because they appear to be stronger and more resilient than the other bots. They punch harder and take way more damage. Megatron only beat Optimus because the Decepticons ganged up on him and Megatron stabbed and shot him through the back. Although Megatron is probably freakishly strong for a non Prime, Optimus would win in a fair fight being a superior (Prime) model.

7. I don't know what the National Air Mall or whatever looks like but Bay just wanted to show it his way I guess. He called Los Angeles Mission City and so he wanted to show something else different. It's a fictional move about a bunch of robots, not about accurate old airplane scenery.

8. Again, this is a movie with teleportation, giant robots, and alien technology. If the Autobots wanted to get from point A in the desert to point B I'm sure they could travel considerably faster than traditional earth vehicles. They mastered space travel and many other modes of transportation; it is entirely possible for them to drive across some sand really really fast. As for that rail gun reaching its target from the sea that is possible too. It seemed to shoot energy or a laser. Either way neither of those things is limited by range. If it's powerful enough it will not dissipate. There's plenty of movies and real technology that focuses on firing lasers from space. I'm sure this one could reach the Pyramid from the closest sea. The captain took the message from unqualified former agent Simmons, but this movie is full of orders being taken from Simmons, Sam and other non military personnel. Military men in those positions are responsible for whatever happens because there is no protocol for giant alien robots; they must think quickly and make whatever decision is best. If they happen to get a tip from someone on the frontlines they will consider it if they are smart.

9. The Primes in this movie exhibited all sorts of abilities we haven't seen in the TF universe before. Teleportation, telekinesis (the Fallen even lifted stones), and a level of omnipotence. The Fallen knew Optimus was dead even though he was nowhere near, but they could have just sent him an instant message, who knows. Anyway the Primes had new abilities. There's a variety of ways they could have communicated to Sam when he passed out or died. Either they spoke to him on a level a human brain is capable of receiving but not capable of sending. Our brains are after all quite electric just as computers are. Another theory is Sam died. Our bodies generate an enormous amount of energy and energy can never be destroyed. Maybe the sparks of the Primes communicated with Sam's energy, who knows. There are a lot of ways this could have been possible.

10. Maybe the bandage was made from a sock or some other clothing. At least Sam's roommate was better than Anthony Anderson. While Megatron was frozen, I think the Fallen was scared or too weak to return to earth and was probably hiding orchestrating the events of the Decepticons. Soundwave used alien technology to turn that one satellite into a giant receiver of information. Wheelie humped Mikaela because he's clearly a confused dumb robot. We saw Simmons’ thong because he has some superstition thing that he believes in. Our government handles things alone because they are proud and arrogant. Also because Bay has a great relationship with the USA military and gets a lot of access to them and their vehicles. He does not have that relationship with other militaries, but there were two Jordan military helicopters that came to help. The Decepticons apparently won the civil war in ancient Egypt so the natives had no way to destroy the machine. They either built the pyramid to hide something they didn’t understand or they were instructed to hide it. And how the hell can some natives with nothing but sticks and stone destroy such a thing?! Come on, now I think you're just griping to sound smart. The matrix mass shifted just like the all spark did in the first movie. Same race, same technology, same effect.

After all this you have a few valid points. You might have a point with is Mikaela's pants staying so clean. I didn't notice but if they did, who can explain how? Also I thought the Devastator bots where in a little too many places, but you never see them in two places at the exact same time. Maybe they were just busy and all over the place, maybe there were duplicates, maybe they messed up. But it’s plausible that they didn't mess up. I also thought Bumblebees voice was fixed and I am not a fan of him being silent. I would think with all their technology and them being machines themselves they could fix his voice.


venkman9993592 - 7/1/2009, 10:39 AM
Stumblin, They touched on it in the comics. Its because of the way humans build the machines. The biological robots from cybertron were complex enough to have all their emotions. Humans do not have the technology to build machines with emotions, that can understand right from wrong. So when they are turned, their one function becomes, destruction.
alexlunar - 7/1/2009, 10:53 AM
I really have to point out that you guys are arguing about plot holes in a movie about GIANT, TRANSFORMING ROBOTS!!! None of it is believable in the slightest bit, and who the hell cares who liked the movie or not, opinions are what make life great. If you want everyone to agree with you and enjoy what you enjoy, start a cult, brainwash the masses and rule with an iron fist. Seriously, I thought the movie was great, I have friends that didn't like it, and no one sits around belittling the other party just because they have the constant need to feel like they are always right and the rest of the world is stupid. Christ give it a rest.
Dchaos666 - 7/1/2009, 11:15 AM
alexlunar, that may be a good explanation. but i though it was life that gave emotions. a machine is just a machine until gets emotion, then it becomes something more. therefore when the spark brings them to life that is when they get emotions, so why are the emotions bad? the comics may explain it in more details. guesse ill have to go read them.
superdog - 7/1/2009, 11:20 AM
dchaos66....so what is the purpose of this site then? why do we all have the ability to comment about articles if our comments are just gonna be dismissed. why must we be trying to get people to join our cult and agree with us? we cant just discuss stuff?
superdog - 7/1/2009, 11:23 AM
Why doesnt everyone open up and just tell us how they really feel about this film....

and can anyone say "plagiarism"? lol
superman7 - 7/1/2009, 11:25 AM
Okay for one this is just insane OCD nite-picking, I mean yes the plot is filled with swiss cheese holes but this is ridiclous.
NerdGirl - 7/1/2009, 11:28 AM
Well, see i expected no sense, i could handle all the stupid plot stuff..just not the stupid characters and script.

By the way, the question i asked myself while watching is, Wht the [frick] does Sam give his skinny ass girlfriend the shard of the cube to look after, when theres a [frick]ing Autobot living in his garage????
Rorschach01 - 7/1/2009, 11:31 AM
Superdog, I would suspect they are all seemingly evil because they are infant lifeforms with no sense of right and wrong yet. Like the 5-year old at the beach who purposely destroy's the sand castle his older sister had been working on, and reveling in the enjoyment of the act of destruction. It doesn't make him evil, but a child still developing concepts of life. That's my explanation anyway.
TheMyth - 7/1/2009, 11:33 AM
damn mounted88, i read this article on yahoo movies, way before you actually posted here, and those are someone else's ideas, you lazy.
realblood33 - 7/1/2009, 11:39 AM
and its a good one myth. its the only one that makes any kind of sense, but they are ALL that 5 year old. some 5 year olds are nice some are afraid. i would think some of the robots would be like that. but who knows.
superdog - 7/1/2009, 11:44 AM
I really liked the movie. Color me the minority. I've noticed people are not ok with "glasses" on robots. No body complained about having battle shields/helmets. If you argue they don't need these glasses shouldn't they also be so well built they don't need a face shield. Is it because glasses aren't as cool as a battle helmet? I'm just throwing that out there. I had no problem what so ever with the glasses.

@Ror that is a good point about the shard. I don't know how you could trust some new girl friend over a body guard robot.
Gweedo - 7/1/2009, 11:57 AM
Let me point out a few things: READ THIS SHIT lol

#1- The sequal was presented as a two year span. And who gives a [frick] about how the Government covered it up, its a movie intended for teenagers and up. try not to think so hard on this movie.

#2-the other piece of the all spark cube would have brought Optimus back to life but then he would be evil because thats what happened at the end of the 1st movie when the soda machine and the X-box 360 were all touched by the cube. And in the second movie at the beginning, Sam drops the piece and turns all the kitchin appliances into rampaging robots.

#5-yes Bumblebee's voice box was fixed at the end of the firs movie, however Sam does mention at the beginning of the second film that "His voice box is acting up again"

#7- reread #7, its a controdicticon.

#10- this pisses me off, look, The bandage is from where Shia was in an accident before they shot the movie. Who cares about a [frick]in sock? As far as the sattelite receiving transmissions from all over the globe, They dont call it a comic book movie for nothing.

Hulkster09 - 7/1/2009, 12:21 PM
Superdog, maybe thats why Wheelie survived, by hiding and being unique among the rest. I just noticed that someone had given you a similar answer above, lol. I will say that from observing wheelie throughout the movie, it seems that your analysis of them being inherent Decepticon's is most correct, though(typing off the top of my head) their 'youth' could also be used to explain the lack of judgment present when making the initial choice, or Soundwave is the first intelligent lifeforce the hear from at 'birth' resulting in a sort of mother goose complex, which ultimately seems most feasible and is implied by a single statement from Wheelie, "You mean we have a choice?!" Even in such an infantile state, they are superior to us as machines, imagine the massive information transfer that took place. Good question though, cause you really got me thinking about it.

IGNORANCE AWARENESS WARNING!!! EITHER READ MY ABOVE POST ADDRESSING THE RAILGUN ISSUE OR LOOK IT UP YOURSELVES. EITHER WAY, STOP REFERRING TO IT AS A 'MYTHICAL' OR 'FICTIONAL' WEAPON. 50 MILES FOR A 32-MEGAJOULES RAILGUN IS SIMPLE STUFF. LOOK IT UP. THE NAVY HAS WORKING PROTOTYPES AS LARGE AS 64-MEGAJOULES ALREADY MOUNTED TO OPERATION SHIPS. THE NON-EXPLOSIVE-UNGUIDED-ALUMINUM SLUG REACHES MACH-8 ALMOST IMMEDIATELY UPON LEAVING THE RAILS. THEY WERE ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR USE IN SHOOTING DOWN ICBM's, SO MOVING TARGET ISN'T AN ISSUE EITHER. LOOK IT UP!!!!!
TheMyth - 7/1/2009, 12:21 PM
Do you know what this movie was? It was pure eye candy. Lots of action and great special effects and of course everything about Megan Fox. Any grudge filled douchebag on here like stick up the ass Quagmire, who seems to think its necessary to call somebody retarded, needs to get over it and stop thinking that every movie that comes out will be the next dark knight or spider man 2 or whatever. Damn man stop being so damn butt hurt! Its just a fricking movie!
samster10001 - 7/1/2009, 12:39 PM
themyth.....i think that the most logical explanation is that they are all born decepticons as evidenced by jetfire and wheelie....then as they get older they can choose to not be decepticons and become autobots.....the only problem with this is the primes were all the original transformers, presumably created by the all spark. but only one of them was bad (the fallen) and the rest were good (the remaining primes who sacrificed themselves). oh well, maybe all these people are right and were over analyzing. its all starting to hurt my brain.
superdog - 7/1/2009, 12:42 PM
you know i liked this movie, i would give it a 7 out of 10. but i just wish it would go away. i'm tired of reading the same complaints and arguments over and over....
CorndogBurglar - 7/1/2009, 1:01 PM
Superdog, I think its more related to which side makes first contact with the 'newborns'. What I meant by 'Mother Goose Complex' was like newborn geese or ducks who immediately form a paternal bond with the first creature they make contact with. Seems like a simple method for such an advanced being though, right? Instead, the initial information transfer from the 'parent' would no doubt be massive, and in the case of Decepticons(and in reality probably Autobots as well) the information would be heavily propagated.
TheMyth - 7/1/2009, 1:01 PM
To everyone who is telling everyone else to stop 'nitpicking' or implying that picking apart a sci-fi movie is a waste of time/energy and that we all should find better things to do...you too, are posting on comicbookmovie.com....soooo as Galvatron said to Hot Rod when Unicron was about to destroy Cybertron, "like it or not, we are allies..." Why don't you all go post on another thread if it is so infuriating that a bunch of sci-fi/comicbook/cinephile nerds (myself included) et. al. are simply doing what they do?
harrisonefreeman - 7/1/2009, 1:30 PM
@harrisonefreeman

[applause]
Macksimus - 7/1/2009, 1:35 PM
but myth, who did the kitchen appliances imprint on? there were no other robots around.
superdog - 7/1/2009, 1:43 PM
@superdog there's a difference between discussing things and bitching. Most people get on here and BITCH about things and how they think they screwed up whatever movie they just saw. When in reality they wanted to be the ones to make the movie so it could be just they way they wanted so their little feelings couldn't get hurt so they wouldn't have to run to their mommies crying about how the mean movie producers ruined it for them. Get the [frick] over it and move on. Stop your BITCHING and lets DISCUSS things on this site for once.
By the way I loved the movie and I grew up with the original transformers.
Kratos6 - 7/1/2009, 1:53 PM
the original cartoon was great, i think we all grew up on it. and i see your point about the over bitching. the problem is one persons discussion is another persons bitching. its a fine line. i just dont think anyone should take any of this personal or get angry about anything. we are all comicbook fans and we should enjoy the medium.
superdog - 7/1/2009, 2:02 PM
Ok first of all i wanna commend Jerrick, Dennis W22 and harrison for their awesome input....some people just come on here and overthink every single aspect of a movie instead of just sitting down and enjoying....I really dunno what else to say.....some people will always have stupid shit to say about a movie....I think the movie was awesome and the quagmire dude is just a dumbass coming on here dissing people with valid opinions...all the plot holes i dont think were really a big deal...do we rilly have to be walked thru every single tiny unexplained instance in the movie...c'mon
Neo24real - 7/1/2009, 2:14 PM
the answer to question 1

= men in black
shadowboxer - 7/1/2009, 2:37 PM
I know shit about the Transformers, never watched the cartoon or had any other contact with this franchise. I watched the first movie on DVD and I wasn't impressed at all. All in all I can say I do not care much about Transformers.

Despite that I seriously considered watching TF2, because it looked like it could be a great, epic robot vs. robot movie. And something like this can be fun from time to time, especially on the BIG screen. I was espacially looking forward to some action around the Giza pyramids, since I was there recently.

But after reading quite a few reviews and following the discussions here and elsewhere I have to say: "I'd rather not." Not that I'm unable to enjoy a well made, more or less mindless action flick, but RotF just doesn't appeal to me.

All the folks that are 'nitpicking' do have some arguments imo. I know that many of the things they criticise would've bugged me too, because lots of these things just sound extremly stupid.

I don't like people telling me I have to turn my brain off in order to enjoy a movie, but I was willing to do it and enjoy 2 hours of pure, awesome Baysplosion cinema. There just seems to be too much crappy plot and failed attempts of humour between the fighting for me to enjoy it. And I might cry because of seeing John Turturro like this (and next to Shia LeBeef). So again I'll wait for the DVD and skip the bad/sad parts...

But, well, maybe I'm not at all qualified to comment on this since I haven't seen the movie...
Kyos - 7/1/2009, 2:47 PM
Kyos....I totally dont blame you for not wanting to watch this movie with the way peeps have bashed it you'd think...the movie was a suckfest....and thats why im mad when these people come on here rilly some people will talk regardless...unfortunately for you, you've been tainted by what people have put on here so i honestly dont think you'll enjoy it as much as you should but seriously I think the sequel blew the original out of the water as far as fight sequences are concerned. the CGI was sick and the plot was well drawn up...performances were stellar and i would definately look forward to a part 3....but then again thats just me
Neo24real - 7/1/2009, 3:03 PM
Hey common now, lighten and stop noticing the stupid shit...... Enjoy the movie and stop bitching about it..... This movie was really great, who cares if there are some mess ups, there are mess ups in every [frick]ing movie..... Let the shit go, This movie was awesome......
tumbler - 7/1/2009, 3:50 PM
Agreed. I'm telling you some of these guys really have no life at all.
Kratos6 - 7/1/2009, 3:54 PM
You know what the funny part is. I enjoyed the movie because I didn't sit there thinking about all this crap. I actually just watched and enjoyed the movie and didn't pretend to be an expert movie critic
Gigacrusher45 - 7/1/2009, 3:59 PM
That's what I'm sayin.
Kratos6 - 7/1/2009, 4:01 PM
So you're saying that if I watch a movie, and it turns out I don't like it, then that's because I tried to pretend I was an expert movie critic? Because expert movie critics just naturally are not able to enjoy movies? And that if I wouldn't have pretended to be an expert movie critic I would have automatically liked the movie? So all I need to do is just to sit down and don't think and I will enjoy the movie?

Cool, now I'm finally ready to give Wolverine a second chance! Taken too, maybe.
Kyos - 7/1/2009, 5:04 PM
i agree with Gigacrusher 100%.
DennisW22 - 7/1/2009, 5:16 PM
i agree Gigacrusher45
kamizzle710 - 7/1/2009, 5:19 PM
this is totally from yahoo movies....
But in any event, while there were many plotholes like the ones mentioned it was still enjoyable. Perhaps not as great as the first, but few sequels are.
thwhtGuardian - 7/1/2009, 5:43 PM
@Dennis i just read your rant about quagmire, and i totally agree, i had a problem with him a few months ago before watchmen came out, all he is is a damn troll who thinks he is better than every one else

EDIT:
and i also completely agree with Gigacrusher
BOOK552 - 7/1/2009, 6:14 PM

How about go and ask my ass! Im so [frick]ing sick of hearing people BITCH AND MOAN when someone has something negative to say about a movie. "I actually just watched and enjoyed the movie and didn't pretend to be an expert movie critic " Do you realize how ridiculous statements like that are? So just because im not a professional critic im not allowed to have a negative opinion?

"stop noticing the stupid shit...... Enjoy the movie and stop bitching about it." NO! What are you a [frick]ing robot? Sit quiet, lap it all up , dont make ripples! Are you telling me that you have never seen a movie you didn't like? And told someone of your dislike for that movie? This site is a forum for people to express their opinions be they positive or negative, and that's just the way it is boys and girls!
Rorschach01 - 7/1/2009, 6:20 PM
@ BOOK552

That is not what he said and I hope you know that too and were just joking around...
Kyos - 7/1/2009, 6:34 PM
yea i took it out of context the first time i read it, my bad
BOOK552 - 7/1/2009, 6:37 PM
@ Kratos

Kratos6, 7/1/2009, 1:53 PM
"Stop your BITCHING and lets DISCUSS things on this site for once."

So your idea of less bitching and more discussing is this?

Kratos6, 7/1/2009, 8:47 AM
"Dudes just watch the movie as a movie not as historical events that actually matter. Talk about not having a life. (...) Good job retard you just wasted your own money to watch a movie just to complain about it. What a sad and pathetic life you must live. I feel sorry for you."

Kyos - 7/1/2009, 6:41 PM
to be fair kyos all gigacrusher was saying is that he just watched the movie for what it was, and wasn't nitpicking at it
BOOK552 - 7/1/2009, 6:46 PM
And some other people just watched it for what it was, too, only that in their perception it was a movie so flawed it wasn't very much enjoyable anymore.

But everyone has a different taste, and that is (usually) great, and I haven't even seen this specific movie. I'm simply not comfortable around people who call someone who doesn't share their opinion a hypocrite.

And I don't mean you, BOOK, you're cool! Peace!? ;)

It's just so stupid to say "you totally bitch about this movie and try to suppress my positive view on it. Your a pessimistic asshole, and have no life and btw this movie rocks and if you finally shut off your brain you'll see that I'm right!"

That I as someone not having seen the flick take sides is because I have good reason to believe I wouldn't like it and because the people who have seen it and don't like usually say something like "I think [insert one or more of several reasons] is stupid and made my viewing less satisfying than it could have been". The reaction from the "RotF rocks!" party often is like "you didn't shut your brain off / stop nitpicking / yeah, it's about giant robots, what did you expect? / you suck", and that's not really a good basis for discussion.

Anyways, good night folks! :)
Kyos - 7/1/2009, 7:32 PM
Wow so many ?'s that needa be answered, but why question the confusing parts, just enjoy the movie, stop looking for the negatives
Instantclassic - 7/1/2009, 7:42 PM
Ugggggggghhhhh.......all this transformers talk is hurting my brain......I actually miss the days of argueing about who will play captain America
superdog - 7/1/2009, 8:27 PM
Oh wait there doing that like 3 other post
superdog - 7/1/2009, 8:50 PM
"and could someone please answer my question as to why the allspark only makes decepticons?"

Transformers are inherently violent. Autobots are the exception, not the rule. And even then, it's not like they will hold back all the time. I thought Prime was gonna jit himself when he blew that bots head off in the beginning... It was so awesome...
J. "Falcon" Ayers - 7/1/2009, 9:22 PM
I don't understand why because someone has questions about the plot, it's considered "negative." Nowhere in the posted article does it say "This movie sucked more balls than a hoover in a ballbearing factory." No, it just says it made no sense.

I think answering stuff like that is fun. And I like nitpicking back on nitpicking questions. It doesn't mean I don't think you shouldn't ask the question, it just means I wouldn't have asked the question, so I have no want to answer it, only be a smartass about it :).

I am a fan of Transformers because I used to watch them when I was 5 years old. And I love Transformers for that nostalgic reason. As such, I watch a Transformers movie with a 5 year old mentality, because sometimes I just wanna dumb down on a flick.

Many people don't want to. Good for them. More power to them. I have a friend who's job it is, is to judge popular culture. Naturally, he hated this movie, but I have to be so serious and analytical all the time in the real world, that if I had to go into a movie about my favorite childhood cartoon and worry more about if narrative is cohesive, or are characterizations solid, I think my head would explode.

I went in just wanting to say "Damn that was cool." And lucky me, I came out saying "Damn that was cool."
J. "Falcon" Ayers - 7/1/2009, 9:33 PM
JESUSCHRIST! >woosah!<

you know what guys, i understand we ain't all professionals in this section of the website..
but all the almighty is asking for is a little bit of respect for each one of us here.. may sound an idealist.. but we may disagree on some things, may agree with others, may vent out some frustrations or disappointments about the movie, please let's not forget, as i've mention before, that the people are not perfect.. i'm sure bay tried his best to make the movie as best as possible.. tell me who made a movie that you never heard any negative ?



btw i agree with dennisw22 when he answered back at quagmire.. it's just it.. dammit..


IronManJr - 7/1/2009, 10:29 PM
i totally agree with j falcon ayers.. ^^
IronManJr - 7/1/2009, 10:36 PM
1. In "Transformers," there was this giant battle in the middle of downtown Los Angeles -- excuse me, Mission City -- that was witnessed by thousands of people at the very least. But somehow the government was able to cover up the whole thing, and now the existence of alien robots is just an internet rumor? How did they do it? Pay off everyone who was there and quickly fix millions of dollars in damage? Also, didn't Keller (Jon Voight) go on TV and tell everyone we were being attacked by "a technological civilization far superior to our own"? How did they spin that?

Well, look at this. in the 1950's in Roswell, New Mexico everyone swore that an alien ship crashed, digging up a large mass of land. the US government reported that a weather balloon crashed instead and has become one of the biggest conspiracies in US history. This in mind, its pretty obvious something of this magnitude can be covered up with a simple explanation.


2. There are two pieces of the Allspark cube left: the military has one under lock and key, and Sam discovers another. The Decepticons steal one and bring Megatron back to life. But when Sam (Shia LaBeouf) wants to bring back Optimus, he has to find the Matrix of Leadership on the other side of the globe. Why not use the other piece? Mikaela (Megan Fox) has it in her backpack the whole time. It brought his kitchen appliances to life, why can't it do the same for Optimus?

The shard (which the US army had) was stolen and used to bring back megatron. you and i know this because we saw it happen on film. now try to understand, the cube was the sought after item in the first movie. it contained the entire knowledge of the transformers and also the ability to give life to inanimate objects. the idea could easily have been looked at and tossed aside that the decepticons stole the shard to take back to cybertron (the goal of the first movie). therefore sam did not know (as you can see he is still learning about the transformers) the splint he had could bring optimus prime back. when they went to look for jetfire, wheelie was instructing them on what to do which revived jetfire for him to advise of the matrix of leadership which sam asked if this could bring back optimus.


3. Speaking of Megatron's rebirth, when the Decepticons venture deep into the ocean to revive him, the Navy crew tracking them reads five contacts. When they get down there, they tear apart one of the robots for parts to rebuild Megatron. Then as they rise to the surface, the same Navy guys say they spot six contacts. The little "Doctor" robot popped out down there, but he's about a third of the size of a person. Would he have shown up on sonar?

these are technologically sophisticated alien robots who vary in sizes. we have no idea how they are tracked by radar. by their metallica alloy, by their movement signature, by the water disturbance, by the whim of the writer/director. the bottomline, we dont know how they are tracked by radar. on the way down "the doctor" hitched a ride on one of the large decepticons which may read as 5 on radar. on the way up (after dismantling one of them) we get 6 on radar. the first four, the docter by himself and megatron.


4. That reminds me: even if I were to forgive the Doctor's German accent -- and director Michael Bay is asking me to forgive a lot of ridiculous accents -- why would a robot need glasses? He has little lenses that flip in front of his mechanical eyes. Couldn't he just get his eyes adjusted? You'd think with all the laser guns, someone could perform a Lasik procedure.

hey, whatever floats his boat. they never said the transformers dont have personality. who is to say that the transformer never liked his look?


5. Apparently, Transformers can look like people now. How? And how is it that even though the robo-girl (Isabel Lucas) is made of metal, she can still straddle Sam without crushing him. And if Bumblebee knows something's wrong with her, why does he spit antifreeze at her instead of telling Sam? Yes, his voicebox is broken, but wasn't it fixed at the end of the last movie?

well, i admit, i have a problem with this one as well but i remember in the transformers cartoon, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcee#Animated_series_2), they did have synthetic human forms which could explain this girl but modified from what was in the cartoon.


6. The Fallen is the last of the Primes, since they all sacrificed themselves to stop him from destroying the sun. But then he says that Optimus is a descendant of the Primes. First, Transformers have kids? And second, how could he descend from them if they were all dead? And if the Fallen could only be destroyed by a Prime, why didn't the originals just gang up on him back in the day? And what makes Optimus so special, anyway? Megatron beat him earlier, but all it takes is a few spare parts from creaky old Jetfire for him to take out the Fallen?

The title prime is not a family name but actually a title given to the leader of autobots and the bearer of the matrix of leadership. this movie had it slightly adjusted to saw that the matrix of leadership was buried in a tomb of primes. the basic definition would then explain it as optimus is the direct leader of the autobots so he is called optimus prime.


7. Sam, Mikaela, and Simmons (John Turturro) go to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. to find Jetfire. Then they walk out the back onto a wide open field with old planes and mountains in the distance. When did the National Mall start to look so much like to Tucson, AZ (where they really filmed that scene)?

hey, i have no idea where this place is and i never knew that it doesnt have an aircraft graveyard so i guess i was folled on this one by michael bay. shame on him.


8. The geography is just as bad when they go to Egypt. The stone city of Petra in Jordan is over 250 miles away, over mountainous terrain, with few paved roads and the Israeli border between them, so how can they drive from one to the other in a couple of hours. And the Pyramids are said to be shooting distance from the Mediterranean, but they are actually well over 80 miles inland. Even if the Navy ship had a secret rail gun, and even if the captain would take an order to fire from a former agent of a government branch that no longer exists (over a walkie-talkie that inexplicably starts working again), how could it hit a moving target from that distance?

i have never been to egypt but i would say that this battle had a lot going on so how the hell can you tell how long it took for them to cross a couple kilometers? i dont have a transformer in my garage so i cant test how long it would take. in case you never noticed in the first movie, agent simmons is a conspiracy nut (hence his attacks on sams college friends website) so he would have heard of the US navy's newest baby, a rail gun (which is real by the way, wiki it)


9. Sam briefly dies and goes to Robot Heaven. Robot Heaven?!?!

sam had on out of body experience when he hallucinated of seeing the primes described by jetfire and realizing what he needed to do to get the matrix to work. there, an explanation.

10. Where does Sam's bandage come from? What about his extra sock? Why does Sam's roommate not contribute anything at all? What was the Fallen doing for those thousands of years Megatron was frozen in ice? How does one satellite receive transmissions from everywhere on the planet? Why does Wheelie hump Mikaela's leg? Why do we have to see John Turturro's thong? Why are robots who join together to become Devastator also seen fighting the Army at the same time? Why does the government want only our military fighting Decepticons when our weapons seem unable to make so much as a dent on any of them? Why did the ancient Egyptians build a pyramid around the sun-destroying machines instead of just breaking it? Why is the Matrix of Leadership bigger in the Fallen's hand than in Sam's? And how do Mikaela's pants stay so clean?

the fallen is afraid of the last prime. you really think he will come to earth before he knows prime is dead?
rodogg - 7/1/2009, 10:49 PM
Well, this movie made more sense than Terminator.
Fracture - 7/2/2009, 12:03 AM
That's the problem with this site too many times I get on here and all I see is people bitching about why this happened and how come they left this out and there were too many things not like they used to be in the comics or tv shows. It's all negative. Yea I will admit sometimes it sucks when things aren't like we remember them but that's how it goes. That's why they call it an artists interpretation. That's what I meant by stop the bitching.
Kratos6 - 7/2/2009, 12:04 AM
rodogg-i agree with this guy
kamizzle710 - 7/2/2009, 12:16 AM
My favorite part of this thread is all the people bitching about all the people who are bitching. God, just shut up and enjoy the Transformers discussion, stop nitpicking everyone's nitpicking and just accept it for what it is...

harrisonefreeman - 7/2/2009, 12:36 AM
Ror this one's for you.

@Kratos6

Here's your quote:

"Most people get on here and BITCH about things and how they think they screwed up whatever movie they just saw. When in reality they wanted to be the ones to make the movie so it could be just they way they wanted so their little feelings couldn't get hurt so they wouldn't have to run to their mommies crying about how the mean movie producers ruined it for them."

So what you're saying is that if I didn't like something in a movie, or the movie in general, I shouldn't say anything about it and that if I do, that I'm "bitching?"

Guess what? When you have a positive opinion of something, you praise it and want to DISCUSS that opinion with others who have the same point of view. When you have a negative opinion of something, you complain about it and want to DISCUSS it with others who have the same point of view which is generally called BITCHING. So basically you're saying that if somebody has a negative opinion about something they should suppress it? So you're saying only the positive side of the argument should be heard because the negative is "bitching?" Give me a break.

And not for nothing, but the main problem arises when one side tells the other side their opinion isn't valid. But guess what? That's what happens on internet forums like this. Somebody is always going to disagree with your opinion, and they are not going to want to "discuss" it they're going to "bitch" about it. If you don't like it, I'd suggest you ignore the opinions sections where people can write and say what they want.

On a final note aren't the people that have a positive opinion of the movie the ones that are "bitching" here considering the intent of this article was to express a negative opinion about the movie? I'd say so:)
alten2345 - 7/2/2009, 1:20 AM
alten, nice rant... on another note, just remeber guys, micheal bay was the only 1 with the balls to take on these movies, and the transformers movies r huge, so yet again, ty mb for bringin them 2 life for us....
danialj84 - 7/2/2009, 2:59 AM
Yea you pretty much summed it up. That's what I was trying to say thanks for making it that much clearer. Shut the [frick] up cause no one cares what you have to say.
Kratos6 - 7/2/2009, 6:58 AM
Okay, I've finally read something that made me wanna see this movie:

http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie?skyline=true&s=x

Maybe I'm actually going to watch it tomorrow. Of course only if I get some mind-expanding substances till then, so I can prepare myself properly.
Kyos - 7/2/2009, 9:31 AM
Kratos, for someone telling everyone to stop bitching, you sure are a negative fellow.
harrisonefreeman - 7/2/2009, 10:18 AM
@mounted88

You mean somebody else pointed these things out and you reprinted it here. Unless you're Matt McDaniel that is.

@harrisonefreeman

Kratos6 is a hypocrite my friend. He doesn't want anybody else to "bitch" but he'll "bitch" all he wants.

@danialj84

You act like making movies based on toys or comic books are a risk these days. Not so. The studios are optioning everything they can get their grubby little hands on, the result of which is the steaming pile of horse dung that is Revenge of the Fallen. Plus it's not a case of Bay having balls (other than the ones he gave Devastator.) They offered him an ass load of money and he said yes.
alten2345 - 7/2/2009, 10:21 AM
That's right. That's exactly what I meant. Now if you will all now bow down to me things will be right with the world and film makers wont make any more bad movies or movies that have tons of things wrong with them.

To the above comment..... who wouldn't?
Kratos6 - 7/2/2009, 10:32 AM
@superdog@ couldnt the reason be that the allspark only makes the things come to life as bad guys because all we have it make are things that we as humans treat like shit. I mean if i was a soda machine on a street corner that was constantly smacked around i would come back and [frick] up the first person i saw. and same thing with all the stuff in sams house. i mean i doubt they take care of all the appliances, i know if somethign doesnt work i first hit it to see if that fixes it.
HUSoldier - 7/2/2009, 11:08 AM
Question for everyone...
Was there any after credits footage at the end of the movie?
SUPASEGO - 7/2/2009, 11:20 AM
I didn't see anything worth sticking around for after the credits...or before.
harrisonefreeman - 7/2/2009, 11:39 AM
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