VIDEO: Would Superman Kill? AMC Movie News Discuss MAN OF STEEL

VIDEO: Would Superman Kill? AMC Movie News Discuss MAN OF STEEL

It's a debate that has raged on CBM since Man Of Steel hit theaters, and now in the following video discussion, AMC Movie News Editor-In-Chief John Campea and director Jon Schepp talk about a very controversial moment from the movie. SPOILERS ahead..

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By MarkCassidy - Jun 22, 2013 05:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman



Where do you guys stand on this? Sound off below.

In the pantheon of superheroes, Superman is the most recognized and revered character of all time. Clark Kent/Kal-El (Henry Cavill) is a young twenty-something journalist who feels alienated by powers beyond his imagination. Transported years ago to Earth from Krypton, a highly advanced, distant planet, Clark struggles with the ultimate question 'Why am I here?' Shaped by the values of his adoptive parents Martha (Diane Lane) and Jonathan Kent (Kevin Costner), Clark discovers having extraordinary abilities means making difficult decisions. When the world is in dire need of stability, an even greater threat emerges. Clark must become a Man of Steel, to protect the people he loves and shine as the world’s beacon of hope – Superman.


Man Of Steel is in theaters now..go see it!


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Robert
Robert - 6/22/2013, 6:15 AM
Of course he would kill. He would only do it if he had no other choice. He is the protector of humans, so that would be his reason and last resort. After killing, he would always feel terrible for killing someone.
EpitomeofAwesome
EpitomeofAwesome - 6/22/2013, 6:22 AM
Wonderwoman did the thing Supes did, in the comics
Seejay
Seejay - 6/22/2013, 6:22 AM

Have not seen MOS yet. But it seems that Superman is out of character in it.

He seems a bit reckless, destroying, yelling and even killing. That is not superman.

To bad really, first IM3 was a letdown and now this. I'm hoping Wolverine and Thor 2 will save 2013 for all us CBM fans.
JGAR
JGAR - 6/22/2013, 6:23 AM
Zod said ''either you die, or I do''. There was no other alternative, he had to.
JGAR
JGAR - 6/22/2013, 6:24 AM
@Seejay

See it for yourself then judge after.
Darth258
Darth258 - 6/22/2013, 6:24 AM
It was necessary and he had no other choice.
Watched it yesterday, it was great.
Darth258
Darth258 - 6/22/2013, 6:25 AM
@JGAR: Exactly
jazzman
jazzman - 6/22/2013, 6:25 AM
cant believe people still complaining about Superman killing Zod. he had to do it to save the family and the people. saying Superman never killed dont know nothing about the Superman comics.



Invictor
Invictor - 6/22/2013, 6:27 AM
Superman had no choice whether or not to kill Zod or not, it was either Zod or the family. No matter what happened in that situation, someone(s) were going to die and Superman chose Zod. We'd be having this same argument if Superman didn't kill Zod and just let him kill the family and get away with it. There's always an argument with fanboys.
jazzman
jazzman - 6/22/2013, 6:27 AM
@Seejay

u dont have an opinion until you watch the movie first.

Gameaholic99
Gameaholic99 - 6/22/2013, 6:30 AM
It's not below superman to kill. I liked that he did it in the movie. It "humanized" him for lack of a better word. DC loves alternate universes for stories, and a lot of those actually start with Superman doing something like killing or being corrupted. He is not as strong willed as Batman, who would never kill and is basically incorruptable. But for Superman, ecspecially if he saw no other way, i can definatly see him killing.
jazzman
jazzman - 6/22/2013, 6:30 AM
@EpitomeofAwesome

yes your right Wonder Woman snapped Maxwell Lord neck in the comics.

Seejay
Seejay - 6/22/2013, 6:32 AM

I will see it.

And I am truly hoping to be positively surprised.
supermarioworldE
supermarioworldE - 6/22/2013, 6:35 AM
I don't have a problem with Superman killing Zod. That's happened in the comics before. What bugs me is how little set up there is for that scene to be impactful. The issue of Clark's moral code is never talked about or addressed in the movie, so it seems more 'matter of fact' than consequential when he does kill him.
Seejay
Seejay - 6/22/2013, 6:37 AM

But what I mean is that isn't Superman supposed to be this kind-hearted hero with a strong sense of justice, morality, and righteousness?


Although I must say that the Red Letter Media review is certainly pretentious; reviewing a comic book movie and complaining that it has "too much action".

That is just wrong.
Ocelot
Ocelot - 6/22/2013, 6:40 AM
How the [frick] is it controversial for petes sake, Dafuq was he supposed to do, rehabilitate him on Mars?, marry him?, promise him human hybrid Kryptonian children? leave him alone and pray that Zod would randomly stop?, please.

Zod even said "one of us has to die" and that he would kill everyone, but I guess the people who are complaining never watched Superman 2, where he threw a depowered and defenceless Zod on to a wall of ice and allowed him to plummet to his death when he could have easily saved him whilst knowing that his powers were gone and had no remorse over it which is the opposite of what occured in Man of Steel. Talk about selective memory, ridiculous.
Darth258
Darth258 - 6/22/2013, 6:40 AM
@Seejay: It was either that or having a family splitted in half by a heat vision beam.
The question is, having Superman letting 4 humans melt and leaving the alien madman alive is more "right"?
Darth258
Darth258 - 6/22/2013, 6:42 AM
I had more issues when Batman killed Ra's and Dent...
TheOther
TheOther - 6/22/2013, 6:42 AM
Theres no problem for that matters, because that will shape him to be the Superman we all know.
jazzman
jazzman - 6/22/2013, 6:46 AM
@Seejay

this Superman movie is a reboot he has not learned everything just yet. also he is still kind-hearted hero with a strong sense of justice, morality, and righteousness in the movie. this is a problem when you judge a movie when you have not even watched it.

u keep on living in the Donner Superman past. also if u have seen Superman 2 movie he even killed Zod by making him lose hes powers and throw him down the pit.
Canon38
Canon38 - 6/22/2013, 6:48 AM
Sometimes you just have to kill a bitch.
BlackPhillip
BlackPhillip - 6/22/2013, 6:50 AM
@Seejay

If felt more like a Hulk movie with things being smashed and no concern for the lost lives. It's still an enjoyable movie though.
ninjahulk
ninjahulk - 6/22/2013, 6:51 AM
Come on here we go again about him killing and saying oh its not superman ways or the U.S way how many time that superman did kill in comic in a wired way ?

In the sliver age comic sup was helping out the U.S army to kill hitler and japan for pearl harbor and did cover they did have superman for support the nuke to destroy county yeah american ways.For me living in U.S we our killer tell me any thing that we do good beside WW2 ? we our not good state at all and superman should not be just american ways because he not from earth.

That why i like the MAN OF STEEL that another message the writer was trying to express to people who saw the movie he for the people or for anything need help not that true justice American ways no more, in fact couple of years ago DC change superman way and he don't fellow does rules anymore.


So yeah he have a choice but Superman did what he have to; he didn't want to do it that why he scream and cry he didn't want to kill one of his kind.But next MOS come out het break yhat rules again because of ZOD this help him out to become the hero we all known about.
thenerdicon4
thenerdicon4 - 6/22/2013, 6:53 AM
probably one of the most intelligent videos on the subject. Everyone else raging about this is stuck in 1978.
jazzman
jazzman - 6/22/2013, 6:54 AM
@TheHeat

u never heard the Hollywood rule everyone left the building before sh!t went down.

P862010
P862010 - 6/22/2013, 6:57 AM
do superman fans and critics really not remember superman 2???

not only does he kill zod but he kills

a depowered zod

a zod who is not threatening to anybody let alone the human race

and after he kills him this is his reaction
DaddyTuesday
DaddyTuesday - 6/22/2013, 6:58 AM
Is this debate still going on? Jesus! Why is this topic being rehashed every other day. Superman has killed; in the new movie, in Superman II and in the comics. He killed in the comics and it [frick]ed him up and from then on he swore never to kill again. In MoS this was his first and more than likely only kill. No doubt MoS 2 will address the fall out from him taking Zod's life. But as has been said by many people on these boards, over and over, if you think Superman doesn't or wouldn't kill, than you don't know your Superman history very well.
Now hopefully Faora will have survived for part 2 but will have lost her powers and she ends up becoming a topless model to earn a living.....What? A man can dream, can't he?
Ocelot
Ocelot - 6/22/2013, 7:05 AM
So i'm guessing the complainers will expect Superman to make friends and hug it out with the likes of Doomsday if he's ever used in a live action Superman film.
MicVersys
MicVersys - 6/22/2013, 7:07 AM
Superman is a symbol to people in a way that shows we should strive to be capable of the impossible. If he kills, then what? Do we accept the fact that doing the wrong thing is acceptable if the situation calls for 'no other way'? In my opinion, Superman wouldn't kill because not only was he not raised in an environment where taking a life is the norm (Themyscira- an island of warriors) but the very notion that him killing is 'okay' because he's stronger than us basically puts him above us. Making his strength the sole reason for Superman being able to have moral authority over us goes against the character in EVERY single way. Superman is truly to be the best of all, then he would ALWAYS be able to find a different way. His very creators, Jewish, quite possibly had to deal with the holocaust and would never create a character who would see killing as any solution. Making him a dark, disconnected loner didn't bother me. What did, was showing us that if Superman can't figure out what to do, he will simply kill someone. Knowing this about him and how much strong he is than humans, who would trust him to not someday decide we were all guilty of wrong and destroying us? Superman is a symbol of hope because he allows us to think the impossible can always be possible...that includes finding another way.
HellBoyzBetter
HellBoyzBetter - 6/22/2013, 7:11 AM
I for one clapped and cheered for the murder and profanity! It was awesome! It kinda felt like being justified after hearing screaming children in the theater. Ha! You're screaming kid might talk about measuring dicks now! Awesome. DO NOT TAKE YOUR KIDS TO MOVIES NOT RATED G!
TheWolverine08
TheWolverine08 - 6/22/2013, 7:13 AM
No. Superman wouldn't kill. Simple as that.
ninjahulk
ninjahulk - 6/22/2013, 7:14 AM
And if you look at Superman 2 Richer donner director cut not the original Superman 2, he kill zod the same way in original S2 but then after that he destroy the The fortress of Solicitous to make sour Zod and his gang is dead.
Invictor
Invictor - 6/22/2013, 7:15 AM
@Darth258, In Batman Begins, Batman didn't kill Ra's, he left him on the train. "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you".
dmmosh1
dmmosh1 - 6/22/2013, 7:19 AM
Yes superman killed zod in the 70's film and n the comics

but the characer has changed and evolved since then and made the choice making a moral chouce not to kill

if there are peopleon hear that actualy read comics and dont just watch the films/tv or have just a few trades in book shops i would suggest reading whats so funny about truth justice and the american way
or if you are just a watcher watxh its adaptation superman vs elite
it gives a emotional, logic and brilliant explanation why he doesnt kill this film is better and more accurate then man of steel

the fat he does kill is very old fashioned and unprogresive why cant we have a new and progressive story ?

This just throws away what makes manchester black a bad guy and his use later or the justice league : elite

this gives superman an uncharicteristicly dark edge more then batman which is very wrong i wouldnt have an issue with wonder woman killing in extream circumstances because that potential is apart of her character and being a warrior but notsuperman/batman

when will people learn
Chekkarma
Chekkarma - 6/22/2013, 7:23 AM
I thought it was a beautiful parallel between killing Zod and the bus accident. Even with the bully, he had the option of either letting him die or saving him...he saved him. With the Phantom Drive destroyed,Zod threatening that he will no stop killing no matter what, and no other known way to the inexperienced Clark to possibly stop Zod..killing was his only option at that point."Should I just have left them to die....Maybe"....this was a situation where maybe was a definitive yes.....And as for all the destruction to Metropolis...take in the count Clark was never allowed/had the chance to test his abilities against anyone to their full potential,suddenly super-powered aliens show up wrecking all hell....going all out was his only option....collateral damage was bound to happen.
jp688
jp688 - 6/22/2013, 7:23 AM
Seejay, you said you haven't seen it, but you're wagging your "opinion". Go see it, for what you think it "seems" isn't true. He's not reckless, he's brand new at being Superman. He's not a killer - what he had to do to save a family (especially after losing his dad) nearly devastates him. If you want to judge without experiencing things for yourself, online blogging is a place you shouldn't be.
RancidBane
RancidBane - 6/22/2013, 7:24 AM
I agree 100% zod had to die supes is good by me in this action
billnye69
billnye69 - 6/22/2013, 7:25 AM
Zod left him no choice. He begged him to stop multiple times and even shed a tear before killing him.

It was either kill him or watch him burn the children with their parents.

Supes did what had to be done and I'm glad he did.
rocky
rocky - 6/22/2013, 7:28 AM
I had no problem with Supes killing Zod
the situation, even after 3 viewings, seemed contrived and forced.

Personally I would've preferred Zod actually kill one or two real quick before Superman saw he had no alternative.

Zod appeared to me to want to die. But come on, he couldn't have killed a couple of people if he really wanted to.
I think he wanted Superman to stop and kill him since his whole purpose of living didn't exist anymore
KalKent589
KalKent589 - 6/22/2013, 7:38 AM
I have more of a problem with the WAY he killed him than THAT he killed him. I am not sure that he should have been able to snap his neck like that. I have seen the movie and the amount of physical punishment that they both endure at each others hands is immense and they walk away from that without a scratch. So I'm just not sure if it should have been physically possible for Superman to do that. But I do agree that he didn't have a choice. Besides he always said that he would never take a HUMAN life. Zod was not human.
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