Iron Man 3: What people don't understand about this film

Iron Man 3: What people don't understand about this film

What people don't understand about Iron Man 3.

Editorial Opinion
By rgaona - May 14, 2013 01:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Iron Man

As we know Iron Man 3 has been in theaters for over 2 weeks and so far boxoffice returns have shown that the general audience at least liked the film for it to break records. Though many fanboys and comicbook geeks have bashed the film for a certain twist which disappointed and outraged many. I think that the twist worked perfectly for the tone of the film and we were given a villain whom had a real threat to not only Iron Man but the rest of the world. Aldrich Killian was a villain who actually could be very scary if he were a real life person, not some fake alien ring wielding idiot. I've heard people say Killian was a weak villain because they think he was just some nerd looking for revenge. If that is what you think then you didn't pay attention to the movie. Killian wasn’t just “upset” at Stark over some minor perceived offense. Killian THANKS STARK and repeatedly tries to get Stark to team up with him — he doesn’t hold a grudge, really, and only tried to kill Stark after Stark directly threatened to attack. But even then, he later keeps Stark alive and offers him a role in helping AGAIN. The importance of Stark dissing Killian in the past wasn’t that it made Killian hate him, that’s just fans totally misunderstanding the point of the scene and thinking it’s always got to be about the villain hating the hero for some simplistic reason. When Stark left Killian alone on that roof, the point is that Killian felt worthless and almost killed himself out of a sense of realization that his death wouldn’t even matter to anybody because nobody even really knew he was alive — but then he had an epiphany that this actually made him a mirror of Stark, an opposite side of the coin, with Stark being so public everybody knew him and targeted him while Killian realized that with anonymity he could accomplish anything so long as he used his anonymity to his advantage the way Stark conversely used his stardom to his advantage. Killian wanted power, he wanted to amass power without ever drawing attention to himself, THAT was his motivation, NOT “I’m gonna get back at Tony Stark for being mean to me once.”

The twist doesn’t fly in the face of Iron Man at all. The Ten Rings existed for many years, Killian has been building it up to create a new global terrorist threat to help him get more government money, more Extremis soldiers, etc. He was creating a supervillain version of Al Qaeda, basically, one that would require super-solutions like Extremis. The goal was to get more and more money to fund more and more research, and to create more and more Extremis soldiers who were actually loyal to HIM, Killian. And he’d have put a new president in office, giving Killian control over the White House. He’d literally control both sides of the global war on terror’s second stage of super-powered villains and soldiers. But he’d always be behind the scenes, controlling everything as the unseen hand of fate while the government and terrorists and other threats etc went about their business as the public face of things.

Killian is the Mandarin. The movie basically just changed him from being Chinese to being a white guy. And the reason for changing him is brilliant — in the comics, do you know how the Mandarin was originally created? He was created during the Cold War, after the Korean War and during the start of the Vietnamese conflict when the U.S. became gripped with fear that Chinese Communism was going to spread across Asia and take over the world. The paranoia was intense. Mandarin was created as a representation of the country’s fear of the Chinese and of Asian Communism in general, he was a Cold War stereotype basically. So, what did the film do? Had a white man create a fictional foreign stereotype villain to represent the country’s current biggest fears — foreign terrorists.

The Mandarin in the comics was literally created by white men as a representation of people’s fear of a foreign “menace,” and the Mandarin in the movie was created by a white man as a representation of people’s fear of a foreign “menace!” The *actual* Mandarin is also in the film, mind you — Killian is a man who was brilliant but unappreciated and who didn’t have the money or power to achieve his goals and was angry because of it, but who obtains advanced technology and grows in power, a man who becomes strong and superhuman in his abilities, a man obsessed with obtaining power to control the world and obsessed with obtaining technology to achieve his goals. At one point in the comics, the Mandarin carries out some of the same plot as in the film — using Maya to help him make an army of Extremis soliders, while simultaneously building a terrorist army around the world.

Imagine something for a moment — imagine if in the movie they’d cast a Chinese actor to play Killian, and it was revealed that he merely created the decoy Mandarin etc. With all of the other similarities to the character in the comics, would fans still be angry? Or would they more easily see that this is basically the same thing that “Batman Begins” did with Ra’s, having a smaller character from the comics (Ducard) turn out to be the REAL Ra’s al Ghul, and the foreign guy was just a decoy. Meanwhile, Ra’s was changed from an eco-terrorist sort of dude to a ninja-army vigilante. Ra’s was no longer immortal, lacking one of his most powerful and defining elements from the comics (the Lazaras pits), and he was turned into the man who trained Batman. Yet the Ra’s in the film was awesome and ultimately faithful to the core concept of the character, and most fans understand why the changes were made and totally accept it.

Well, the same thing was done with the Mandarin, but fans are mistakenly thinking the Mandarin didn’t exist and the Ten Rings organization wasn’t “real.” But Mandarin WAS in the film, and the organization WAS real, it just had a decoy to distract everyone from the REAL Mandarin, who had many elements from the comics. But he couldn’t be portrayed exactly the same, because that character was problematic for various reasons including how he was first created. So instead, the film said, “Well let’s literally create him the same way — let’s make a guy who is an INTENTIONAL stereotype, created by the REAL Mandarin as a ‘menace’ who looks and sounds like what we EXPECT the villain to be, as a distraction from the real threat!” And it worked, and it’s one of the most original and surprising twists on a villain in comic book films, although we SHOULD have realized it since it’s been done before — why didn’t we realize it this time, though? Because it fed into our expectations of fears and menace, that’s why. The film KNEW we’d assume he was the real Mandarin, because he looked and sounded like the stereotyped cliche of foreign terrorist menaces that we have in our minds. The film made us come face to face with those biases and expectations, and showed how a smart enemy could subvert our expectations and use us without us realizing it until it’s too late.

Tell me, how many superhero movies try that hard to make a story and villain so relevant to our modern world and to offer us a commentary on how villains can subvert our expectations to defeat us? How many superhero villains show that a really smart supervillain might be the one pulling the strings from behind the scenes without us every realizing it, and that if we let our biases and narrow expectations cloud our vision we won’t see the threat until it’s too late — like what happened to Tony in the film! This isn’t a film that disrespects or insults fans, it’s a film that has higher expectations for the characters and the fans, and expected everyone to see the narrative themes and understand them and think about them deeply. Watch the film again, think about this stuff while you watch it, and see if you don’t come out with an “ah ha! now I see the point!” moment, while also seeing a lot more clearly how Mandarin is really in the movie after all, and that they just made a brilliant alteration to help more literally represent the character’s comic book origins as a stereotyped villain who represented the “fear of the day.” The second time I saw the movie, I caught even more references and little nuances that fueled the whole concept, it’s great! And remember those great Chinese dragon tattoos on Killian’s chest, haha! ;)

I hope this clears some of this up and you are able to think about it some more and come to at least appreciate what the film tried to do, even if you still don’t personally like it as much as if they’d just done a straight-up adaptation of the character as-is from the comics.

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maryboo
maryboo - 5/14/2013, 1:50 PM
Agreed.
The social commentary in this film just went straight over everyone's head, but what did you expect from fans who only want to see accurate costumes and everyone punching each other.
Sadly, most people will never realize that the true brilliance of Iron Man 3 lies in its subtlety.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/14/2013, 1:56 PM
I think the majority of the hate comes from the "what if" presentation - what if the Mandarin we saw in the trailers was the one we got in the movie, and why did Marvel feel the Killian version was better?

There's also a few people who feel like the movie tried to rip off of the Batman movies to the extent of Killian/Nygma, Mandarin/Ra's al Ghul.

Personally, the ONLY thing that bugged me was Ben Kingsley being a wee bit too hammy, and literally farting around his Trevor scenes. Well probably not really, but it was unnecessary. I think he's trying hard to shed his proper English image.

But yeah, one can get over that fast enough. It could have been better, truly, but what we got wasn't anywhere near as bad or rotten as a lot of people on this site want to make it out to be.
Ocelot
Ocelot - 5/14/2013, 2:03 PM
Done give a rat's monkeys about the twist, it was done rather well in the movie and funny, that wasn't the movie's problem, the tone, the over the top slapstick, the villians, extremis and the supporting characters were. Other than that it was a slightly above average film, same level as Thor
tonytony
tonytony - 5/14/2013, 2:09 PM
I am so tired of idiots trying to compare this garbage butchering to the batman films. Those twists enhanced the movies instead of completely erasing the villains. People who defend this butchering are non fans of the character
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/14/2013, 2:14 PM
Sorry you didn't like it, babe. Did you get my email?

Be honest, at the very least - the scene where Tony puts on the ACTUAL Silver Centurion armor to fight Killian was BOSS. Just seeing that made me love the movie, and willing to forgive JUST ABOUT everything.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 5/14/2013, 2:25 PM
Yeah I didn't make that comparison - I'm just bringing THAT COMPLAINT to the table.

But now that you bring it up, I have to disagree.

Nygma was a lot more complex. He had this idea that he pitched to Bruce with total honesty, and it was immediately rejected. He steals Wayne Tech, kills his boss, and decides that he's going to use his genius to try and prove he's smarter than his idol. Along the way, his game grows all the more perverted and soon he gets corrupted by power and more or less abandons his game.

Not gonna say one is better than the other, but Nygma definitely showed a lot more complexity than Killian. I doubt it'll happen, but I kind of hold out hope that the character is still alive. There was no body, and no reason he couldn't have regenerated from his injuries.
Ocelot
Ocelot - 5/14/2013, 3:04 PM
LEVITIKUZ and LEVITIKUZSSON


dafuq
superotherside
superotherside - 5/14/2013, 5:16 PM
Excellent write up. I agree with everything you said.
AshleyWilliams
AshleyWilliams - 5/14/2013, 6:14 PM
Good points man. I really liked it.

Also, what's with the spam on this site lately? I say we get rid of them.
BANE5000
BANE5000 - 5/14/2013, 6:15 PM
One thing that nagged me was if Killian was running The Ten Rings group...Was he involved in Starks kidnapping in the first film?...Why wasnt this adressed in IM3?...Was he in cahoots with Stane to caprture Tony?

I really liked and appreciated the cameo of Yinsen and referring back to him mentioning to Tony that they had met years before at a conference, thought that was the best easter egg in the film :]
SomTingWong
SomTingWong - 5/14/2013, 6:22 PM
Good job. One of the best IM3 defense articles I've read.

And as for the Levi family all I have to say is who's the mother?
Ocelot
Ocelot - 5/14/2013, 6:29 PM
@BANE5000
Killian running the ten groups from the start doesn't fit in or make sense with what we're shown in the first two films, especially the first. Honestly dont know why it wasn't addressed.

only logical explanation is that after the first film they disbanded, and Killian decided to "cash" in on their name so to speak and create a fictional leader for the ten rings "the mandarin" and create the ruse that the ten rings were still active despite them not actually being active
THIS
THIS - 5/14/2013, 7:56 PM
WHO CARES ITS JUST A MOVIE
Ocelot
Ocelot - 5/14/2013, 8:07 PM
@rgaona looks like I was right on the money then, though it's good that he's come out and explained it, it really should have been addressed in the actual film, a line of dialogue from killian would have been sufficient to explain it, left me confused at first, it just wasn't clear
WOLVERINEDECADE
WOLVERINEDECADE - 5/14/2013, 10:10 PM
i agree w/ the article
i enjoyed the film both as a Marvel fan and as an average person
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/14/2013, 11:20 PM
"The movie was damn near perfect"

Lmao, that just happened!
Jefferys
Jefferys - 5/14/2013, 11:35 PM
I am so sick and tired of the uneducated trying to compare this film one par with Iron Man 1* to the pretty standard Nolan Batman trilogy. The twists in the Nolan Batman films are basically the same as the ones in this film, where they didn't erase a character, but gave them deeper meaning. People who defend this change of characters only recently read about these characters on Wikipedia who couldn't realise that these characters wouldn't work with the corresponding films!

* films like Iron Man 1 cannot be compared to films OTHER than superhero origin films due to them being completely different in introduction.
NOTE: Iron Man films were always about comedy in serious situations (Tony Stark's way to cope with serious situations) while Nolan's films were about the seriousness in serious situations.
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 5/14/2013, 11:42 PM
Iron Man has a single scene of depth. Ignoring the Avenger whoring in his dream, when he awakes and the MARK42 jumps into bed, it's [frick]ing intense. RDJ's emotions here are his best acting I've seen. He also conveys the very real mechanics of an anxiety attack. After that, it returns to mediocrity and then plummets even further once it's revealed there's no villain or discernible plot.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 5/15/2013, 12:13 AM
The film was great.
The only problem was the comic book fan boys whining about the changes towards 'The Mandarin'.
When a film adapts whether a book or a comic book they tend to make changes. It mostly works but i think in Iron Man 3 the change to The Mandarin worked with in the film and heck i'm a huge Iron Man fan

I was more disappointed they didnt use 'Ghost' for this one.
exirae
exirae - 5/15/2013, 12:57 AM
Okay here's the problem with iron man 3. Go through the script, remove all exposition, quippy one liners and statements that are there soley to set up a one liner. What's left? Honestly I challenge someone to produce more than one paragraph of dialogue from IM3 that doesn't fall into these categories. In one way, it's the tightest script imaginable, in another they squeezed out all of the introspection that could've made the film something really special.
Lockjaw
Lockjaw - 5/15/2013, 2:20 AM
Well Done *applauds*

I'm glad they did what they did with Manderin as it plays on on fear of foriegn threats rather than the generic foreign enemy hiding in caves which I felt pretty uncomfortable with in the 1st Iron Man tbh.
Lockjaw
Lockjaw - 5/15/2013, 2:20 AM

It won't stop bellend fanboys moaning about it though...
TheAstoundingMan
TheAstoundingMan - 5/15/2013, 2:36 AM
@exirae Agreed, though that had a lot to do with the sheer number of characters in the film, and the many interactions/relationships that they tried to develop.

If they had dialed back on the humour, and given characters such as Hansen and Killian a little more breathing room, I think the film would have benefited hugely.

kemuael
kemuael - 5/15/2013, 2:45 AM
IRON MAN 3 = EPIC FAIL!!!
Tempo
Tempo - 5/15/2013, 3:31 AM
Seems like "Leave Iron Man 3 alone!"

XD

NerdyDarkPassenger
NerdyDarkPassenger - 5/15/2013, 3:33 AM
Well this changed my perception on the movie. Here I thought the Mandarin was done this way due to lazy writing, but I guess this makes more sense. But out of all the criticisms I've heard about the movie, not once have I heard Rebecca Hall's character Maya Hansen not having enough scenes or the movie's failure to deliver on the hype of her being "the female Tony Stark".
GoldenBoy02
GoldenBoy02 - 5/15/2013, 3:40 AM
Guys. GUYS!! Oh, actually IT`S SO SIMPLE:
Ready? Here goes:
RESPECT THE FRICKIN`SOURCEMATERIAL OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!!

The whole world is making fun of that "Mandarin twist".

Don´t lose more faith. Lack of faith spells lack of anyurge to go see the next films. Now there will be more nay-sayers.

IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU "EXECUTIVE-TYPE GUYS" ?


mook
mook - 5/15/2013, 3:51 AM
I basically had the same thoughts as the original poster, especially the Batman Begins connection.

However, part of my would've liked a more comic book version of The Mandarin, especially as that would now work in a post-Avengers MCU.
marvel72
marvel72 - 5/15/2013, 4:04 AM
good movie just not great,the mandarin twist did piss me off because marvel did sell the movie as ben kingsely is the mandarin.

everything up until the big reveal that featured "the mandarin" was fantastic.

well there is nothing i can do to change it,so i've learned to live with it.

i just hope this doesn't become a regular occurrence with marvel studios next phase of movies.
Tempo
Tempo - 5/15/2013, 4:07 AM
Yeah Killian was fantastic,the kid sidekick was fantastic,the music score was fantastic,the story was fantastic,every [frick]ing scene was fantastic -_-
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