"The Bane Problem": Apparently Nolan Won't Be Altering His Voice In TDKR

"The Bane Problem": Apparently Nolan Won't Be Altering His Voice In TDKR

A common complaint after the screenings of the prologue for TDKR was that Bane was hard to decipher. Well it seems that aside from a bit of sound tweaking, the villain's voice will remain pretty much the same..

By MarkCassidy - Dec 20, 2011 05:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman
Source: THR

THR are reporting that there are those at Warner Bros. who are just as worried about Bane's (Tom Hardy) voice in The Dark Knight Rises as some fans are. According to their sources some have even urged Christopher Nolan to alter the character's dialog so it is easier to understand. The director is apparently adamant that no direct changes will be made, but he will be tweaking the sound slightly.



Here is an excerpt from THR's report..

Sources close to the movie say Warner Bros. is very aware of the sound issue. One source working on the film says he is “scared to death” about “the Bane problem.” And with good reason. The last Batman film, 2008’s The Dark Knight, grossed more than $1 billion worldwide, and the studio doesn’t want anything to tamper with Rise’s chances for success.

Sources also say some at Warners would like Nolan to change the sound mix, but the filmmaker, whose autonomy is well-earned (his Inception earned the studio more than $800 million and two Oscar nominations), has informed executives that he plans only to alter the sound slightly, not to rework it completely.

“Chris wants the audience to catch up and participate rather than push everything at them. He doesn't dumb things down," says one high-level exec, declining to be named. “You've got to pedal faster to keep up.”


Apparently Nolan said something similar to THR at a press event recently, stating that it was "OK for a moviegoer not to understand what was said at times, as long as the overall idea was conveyed". Fair enough, but in regards to the quotes above, I really don't see how making a character easier to understand counts as "dumbing things down". Having said that, I'm probably in the minority that understood Bane perfectly well in the prologue, aside from one or two words at the very end but even then I made a (correct) guess at them. I think it was more to do with the background noise than anything else so if Nolan intends to change the sound mix in any way I think that is where he should look. Did you understand Bane or would you prefer some re-dubbing? And what do you think of Nolan's decision to leave things as they are?

Click the link below to read the full article at THR.




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marvel72
marvel72 - 12/20/2011, 5:17 AM
batman's voice + bane's voice = comedy gold.
Jolt17
Jolt17 - 12/20/2011, 5:18 AM
As someone whose main language is not English, I could understand what Bane said. Of course not the whole stuff in the prologue because of its quality, but I still managed to get some words. Let alone the trailer, his line in it was easily understandable.
Jolt17
Jolt17 - 12/20/2011, 5:26 AM
marvel72 Hmm....



:P
Denn1s
Denn1s - 12/20/2011, 5:27 AM
i don't live in the usa, so the film will be subtitled in my country, sooooo...i don't care about his voice. i will understand him perfectly through the magic of subtitles...
PaulRom
PaulRom - 12/20/2011, 5:28 AM
I could understand most of what he said in the prologue, other than a couple of lines. Some tweaking is necessary, but I don't get how most people have trouble with understanding what he's saying.
Denn1s
Denn1s - 12/20/2011, 5:29 AM
although i did understand him in the trailer and partially in the prologue...
PaulRom
PaulRom - 12/20/2011, 5:29 AM
Oh, and remember when Tom Hardy said that other people on set had trouble hearing him through that mask? Yeah.
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 12/20/2011, 5:33 AM
@marvel72

LOL,can you imagine the countless parodies around the Internet once the movie is released? :P

@Jolt17
yeah,just like that one

not saying that the movie won't be good! don't kill me :P

anyway,I'll watch it with subtitles in my country,so the voice will not be a problem for me :)
StrangerX
StrangerX - 12/20/2011, 5:37 AM
I don't have a problem with the voice at all.
Tajin88
Tajin88 - 12/20/2011, 5:38 AM
English isnt my native language and I dont rule it perfectly but even I understood Bane very well. I think some people have hearing issues. (LOL)

I hope Nolan doesnt change his voice that much and especially the part "crashing this plane".
SKOne
SKOne - 12/20/2011, 5:40 AM
Just think about how someone who is constantly having gas fill their lungs and you'll realize why Bane sounds that way. I don't have any problem with it.
gillri
gillri - 12/20/2011, 5:40 AM
I heard it fine,
ScottPilgrim
ScottPilgrim - 12/20/2011, 5:42 AM
Its not a case of dumbing it down (of which I am against), its about making the character f*cking audible.

I watched the trailer about 5 times last night, I could only understand Bane after the third time!!!
cherokeesam
cherokeesam - 12/20/2011, 5:43 AM
EE-NONE-SEE-EIGHT, Bane. Jeebuz.

What's up with the freakish Absurdistan accent, anyway? Bad enough that Tom's talking into his Darth Helmet, but who told him that Borat + P.W. Botha + Osama bin Laden made for a pretty nifty accent?
wepx5150
wepx5150 - 12/20/2011, 5:48 AM
I liked the voice and you had to really pay attention when listening to him talk which, hey, isn't that what you are supposed to do at a movie? Oh, that's right, most people are busy talking and texting when sitting in a movie theater! Who goes to see a movie? LOL!
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 12/20/2011, 5:50 AM
Your right, it's CBM , where people don't read articles properly. Headline says he won't be altering the voice, article says he will simply be tweaking the sound.
WonderMoose
WonderMoose - 12/20/2011, 5:50 AM
Personally I have auditory perception issues. I HAVE to watch most movies with subtitles whether the actor is speaking clearly or not. Just means I won't be seeing this in theaters.
Dartanian300
Dartanian300 - 12/20/2011, 5:50 AM
I could hear him fine in the trailer. But i also saw that in iMax so it was a lot different. In iMax, the whole trailer is FREAKING AWESOME!
jmunny
jmunny - 12/20/2011, 5:51 AM
@Boosted - I just pictured Bane singing "If I was a Rich Man" w/ Catwoman (aka Robin Hood if the trailer is any indication)
Luigi
Luigi - 12/20/2011, 5:51 AM
Is that why Batman was so difficult to understand? Because they didn't want to "dumb things down" for the audience by making the protagonist possible to understand
Jolt17
Jolt17 - 12/20/2011, 5:52 AM
Spidey91 Haha, yeah. And subtitles rule. :)
jmunny
jmunny - 12/20/2011, 5:53 AM
Maybe Bruce Wayne singing "Sunrise, Sunset" or "Do you Love me?"
Jolt17
Jolt17 - 12/20/2011, 5:55 AM
A slight tweaking could make it even better, though.
sonofsamadams
sonofsamadams - 12/20/2011, 5:56 AM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh boy. Here we go. The only problems that people had with Bane's voice were from the bootleg trailers. YOU HEAR HIM PERFECTLY FINE when he says 'when gotham is ashes....you'll have my permission to die!'...in the full quality version. Bane sounds clear and menacing, and looks freaking beast.
Nolan has made the right move. Granted it will be hard to hear him in some loud, high octane sequences, but then again, did we understand what Shia was shouting when explosions were going off in TF3?

Sometimes i think Nolan comes onto this site and laughs at the complaints.

I never thought it was possible, but Nolan might just top TDK with this movie. This will be the next bourne franchise, where the third stands out as the best.
sonofsamadams
sonofsamadams - 12/20/2011, 5:58 AM
-he'll tweak the sound just a little bit to make bane more clearer for you deaf people, but the voice will more than likely stay the same.
redleaf
redleaf - 12/20/2011, 6:02 AM
i'm starting to think lots of people have hearing loss. i understand what he says fine.
jmunny
jmunny - 12/20/2011, 6:03 AM
sonofsam...did you really just compare Tom Hardy to Shia Ladouche?
CraptainAmerica
CraptainAmerica - 12/20/2011, 6:05 AM
It's obvious from the trailer that there has been some tweaking. But the only reason the prologue was so unclear was because of its inferior quality.

Nolan knows what he's doing. $1bill (TDK) and $800mill (Inception)...what more must he do for people to trust in his vision.

On a side note...Batman won't need to mask his voice infront of Bane because his secret will be well and truly out...that's a guess
Supes17
Supes17 - 12/20/2011, 6:06 AM
Inception got nominated for 8 Oscars, not 2.
It won 4 of them, tying with King's Speech for the most wins
monkeyhead78
monkeyhead78 - 12/20/2011, 6:07 AM
Not sure what the negative fuss is, I've understood everything he said to date (well what I've heard any way).
InnerVenom123
InnerVenom123 - 12/20/2011, 6:07 AM
Bane's voice was fine.
heisei24
heisei24 - 12/20/2011, 6:08 AM
.....and now you're saying that everyone's deaf, huh?
Priest
Priest - 12/20/2011, 6:10 AM
If the voice is fine, which is not, why is the WB people worried about it? You know, I think some Nolan fans can't find any flaws in the movie no matter how absurd something might be. They just can't admit if something might be wrong or questionable. Bat-Mite could suddenly appear out of nowhere in a scene and show his rear to the audience and then suddenly disappear and the Nolan fans would think that scene is gold.

I could write a list of things I personally don't like about this movie, but I guess that would just make me a hater, a troll or "insert your favorite insult", right?
redleaf
redleaf - 12/20/2011, 6:11 AM
Maybe you guys don't socialize much so your not used to different voices. LOL
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