Fantastic Four (2015). The Daredevil Of A New Era?

Fantastic Four (2015). The Daredevil Of A New Era?

After watching the latest film in the Fantastic Four franchise it got me thinking, did this movie suffer the same fate as Daredevil from 2003? Well I thought about it, did my research, and if you want to see what I think of the whole situation come take a look.

Editorial Opinion
By Mrcool210 - Aug 08, 2015 09:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
Source: Josh Tranks 4chan Post

In 2003 we were subjected to a film known as Daredevil. It starred Ben Affleck, Jennifer Garner, Colin Ferrell and Michael Clarke Duncan. The film was not received well by critics and fans, everyone blamed the director Mark Steven Johnson and Ben Affleck for that films failures until in November of 2004 the directors cut of Daredevil was released and that film made it very clear who was to blame for the quality of the theatrical cut of the film, Fox. More specifically producer Gary Foster was to blame for that films awful pacing, sloppy editing, reshot scenes with terrible acting and overall, a plot that skips over anything that would have made the story interesting. Sound familiar?



What's interesting about the whole fiasco with Daredevil is the mentality that producer Gary Foster had on the film, which you can see here.  (Skip to 1:30 to hear what i'm talking about)



This sounds awfully similar to the Fantastic Four movie we got this year, everything I just mentioned about the theatrical cut of Daredevil in that previous paragraph is true about this film. Even the "Speed" of the film is similar to how the theatrical cut of Daredevil worked, everything interesting about the movie cut out to make it quick. The only difference? It's even more apparent what Fox did this time, cause not only was there a tweet brought out by Josh Trank, the director of the movie, who distanced himself from the final product, but allegedly  Trank has gone to 4chan today in order to explain what happened. Due to the quality of the screen shot I was able to find I won't just post the picture into this article. However i will give a small list to detail the changes that were apparently in his cut of the film before Fox came in. Warning there are some minor spoilers in this section.
 
1) Fox told him the film was too drama heavy and told him to add more action scenes, which they would ironically cut out of the final cut anyway.

2) Several scenes with the Thing fighting in the military were to be in the film, There were budgeting problems with these scenes, Fox refused to put forward the money needed to finish them and the Things cgi wasn't finished in time for these scenes so it was cut. 

3) Several scenes that would have payed off character arcs were cut out as well, including a sub plot with Johnny and his car, as well as a subplot with Sue learning how to use her powers.

4) Reed and Sues romance was cut.

5) Ben had an arc that would have gone into more detail about him being abused by his family, however Fox cut it considering it too tragic for a comic book movie. Don't understand why they kept that opening scene with Bens family in but i digress.

6) Up to 15 minutes of Reed out in the wilderness after he escapes from captivity were also cut.
 
7) Many Doom scenes in full costume were cut, and Tim Blake Nelsons character was hinted to become the mole man in a future sequel. 

8) Reshoots were done without his permission and brought in 2 months before the film was set to release, which explains Sue Storms wonderous amazing changing hair. 

9) And the biggest thing, Tranks original cut was 143 minutes, he had intended it to be around 120-130 minutes. As you can see from the actual runtime the film  is only an hour and a half.



This information did come from 4chan, so this could all be someone impersonating Trank and it could all be a total load. However, from the way the movie plays as well as Tranks previous tweets, several sources around the interwebs confirming stuff like this and Foxs track record of doing this in the past I'm going to go on a limb here and say this is probably what happened to the film. Especially with what apparently has been cut, so many scenes from the trailers have been cut out of the film, including scenes with Doctor Doom in his full costume, what looked like scenes with Ben Grimm fighting the military, even the more classic looking blue suits promised by Miles Teller in an earlier interview.  Now while the film Josh Trank is describing may not have been loved by everyone, Comic purists especially, it does seem like this film would have gone over well with the general audience and critics, if the film was written well of course. 



Daredevil went through a similar thing as this film did, just not to the same degree, they allowed Mark Steven Johnson to make the movie he wanted to make and then at the last minute took his film and gutted it into the sad mess of a movie we got. However with this movie, not only does it seem they did that, but they went even farther having demands and forcing things in and out of the movie willy nilly while they were even shooting the movie. Causing Josh Trank to buckle under the pressure and cause all of the behind the scenes drama that was reported about him a while ago that also appear to be true, including being drunk on set, destroying the house that Fox rented out for him and even being difficult with the actors. Now while this is still an unprofessional thing to do and really only helped to make the film worse it shows that somewhere at Fox Gary Foster has apparently reincarnated as another  executive and decided to make Fantastic Four: The Daredevil Theatrical Cut Edition 


Now why do I bring all of this up? Cause i find it interesting, if this is true then it proves one big thing. Fox hasn't learned their lesson, time and time again, they meddle, they interject and they cut, and the movies always turns out terrible. Where do i start? Xmen The Last Stand, Xmen Orgins, Daredevil. What I don't understand about them doing this to a film again, is that its been proven that when Fox hires a director and a writer and lets them do their own thing, the final product is usually a pretty solid effort, just look at Xmen First Class and Xmen Days of Future Past. 

 



Unfortunately even though Trank has meant well with these tweets and Reddit posts i'm sure, this does nothing but end up hurting both sides, even if Fox does deserve the bashing they will get for what happened here. However, thanks to what Trank has done here his career at Fox is over, even if it wasn't just this, his rumored allegations of being drunk on set, and destroying the house rented out to him by Fox will. While Trank should be given some of the blame for the quality of the film we have here, this shouldn't mean that his career as a director should be ruined because of studio meddling. People thought with the recent streak of decent to really good Xmen films that Fox had finally cleaned up their act. That doesn't seem to be the case here. Fox doesn't know what they are doing. Before this film i was on the side that the studios who own the films should be allowed to do what they want, they paid for the rights, they have the right to make the movie they want to make, however, that being said, they have proven time and time again that clearly Fox, or at least whoever is in charge of their comic book movie division doesn't know how to just let the filmmaker that they hired do what they were hired to do. 

Now the final question is this, is history bound to repeat itself? Will we see a directors cut of Fantastic Four that shows Tranks true vision? The directors cut being deemed a good movie but being largely unnoticed by the general audience? With it all finally culminating in the Fantastic Four going back to Marvel Studios? Only time will tell. What are your guys thoughts on this whole fiasco? List off your comments down below. And if you enjoyed the article I'm very glad that you did. 

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Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 8/8/2015, 10:22 AM
I simply don't believe that Fox cut "all the good stuff", when it's clear that the stuff they left in was flat, boring, hollow, and pointless.

I'm sure they cut out entire arcs that Trank filmed. Positive of it. But it's clear by what they left in that Trank, his script, his actors, et. al. had created zero compelling cinema. Undoubtedly, Fox didn't make it better. But that doesn't mean what they started with was good.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 8/8/2015, 10:25 AM
Also, the director's cut of Daredevil is only marginally better. It's still a meandering aimless film with some good stuff and some really bad stuff, just like the theatrical cut.
Wannabe
Wannabe - 8/8/2015, 11:00 AM
"I simply don't believe that Fox cut "all the good stuff", when it's clear that the stuff they left in was flat, boring, hollow, and pointless."

Pretty much this. It's clear Josh Trank wasn't the guy to to bring this adaption to fruition. Someone else should have been hired and FOX eventually realized this. Just a little too late. Everyone thinking a director's cut would fix this mess is severely mistaken.
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 8/8/2015, 11:43 AM
Fox [frick]ed this up but it's an isolated incident, just look at the quality of the other movies they've been making recently
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 8/8/2015, 12:03 PM
@Wannabe and @Spock0Clock

I'm not saying that the film we would have got would have been perfect, very clearly both sides are to blame for this, what i'm saying is i'm shocked that Fox came in and did what they did with Daredevil again, regardless of the quality of the movie we would have got originally fox gutted this film, just like with Daredevil, They should have learned their lesson by now. Plus i wanted to get the word out about what Josh trank is apparently saying about his cut. If i didn't write the article well enough to convey that i apologize.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 8/8/2015, 12:21 PM
@Spock0Clock
@Wannabe
Fox apparently did reshoots without Josh Trank. I think the scenes they shot weren't in the script. I'm certain that those last two scenes had nothing to do with Trank. And I doubt that that's the only thing thing they reshot.
JredTheRed
JredTheRed - 8/8/2015, 12:46 PM
The movie was just awful. Trank is a hack and Fox has know idea what they are doing, the "Trank Version" may have been better then what we got, but all in all I cant imagine it being good either way. Atleast it seems X-Men, Wolverine, and Deadpool are in good hands...i hope.
sikwon
sikwon - 8/8/2015, 3:04 PM
Why the surprise? The X movies are ok, none are great. What saves those movies is the amazing cast. The plots are shaky at best, the only characters fleshed out are Prof X, Magneto, Wolverine, Mystique and maybe Rogue and Beast. And that's taken them 7 movies. There's nothing great about any of them. They have elements of good story and good character development but they get so much more wrong. There's no way they could get something like the FF right or even close to right. The Xmen should be fairly easy to translate to movie, especially in this climate. Deadpool should be easy to do, take John Wick type action and dash it with humor and there it is. The simple fact is Fox doesn't respect or understand the source material nearly enough to make decent CBM's.
Emblemmaniac
Emblemmaniac - 8/8/2015, 4:31 PM
@Alphadog

I i had to guess, i would say that the movie once it hit the "one year later mark" is probably reshoot. It feelt like an entire diffrent movie after the "one year later mark" (or at least so it was for me when i watched it)
dcpoonboi710
dcpoonboi710 - 8/8/2015, 9:34 PM
@Emblemmaniac; couldn't agree more. I went with a couple of buddies of mine and I had told them how the movie felt so co Pelli g and then it just awful quick storytelling
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