Abysmal Comic Adaptations

Abysmal Comic Adaptations

The most dreadful comic adaptations ever in one pleasant post! Enjoy.

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By thejon93rd - Oct 17, 2014 12:10 PM EST
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I really hate bad movies. Sometimes so called "bad movies" can be joyously bad in the way that they play up the awfulness. For instance, Scary Movie 3 is my favourite of that particularly abysmal franchise, I hated the remainder of the films (despite some good scenes here-and-there; Shaq and Dr. Phil "playing" Saw was hilarious), still, that one had Charlie Sheen and Leslie Neilsen in and on full hilarity-mode 100% of the way and it worked in hearkening back to the old Hot Shots! and Naked Gun films that I loved whilst growing up. In the case of true to heart bad movies, I consider them to be soulless, heartless, and just plain emotionally devoid. People always tell me that Spider-Man 3 was bad, but at least that film had a heart and soul compared to such gutter trash like X-Men: The Last Stand and Superman Returns (thanks Bryan Singer, for both of those dreadful experiences). So, with that said, let's look at some garbage and, for diversity's sake, let's go from 2013 - downwards:

Kick-Ass 2




While I did enjoy the original, I clearly saw why the film was also hated by a huge chunk of people as well: the film's utterly, relentlessly violent and it tries to make it all fun and games at points, especially with Hit-Girl, but it just hurts watching at times and it goes to show that less is often times so much more. Things that can be left to the imagination are arguably even more haunting than the things that are shown (case in point: some of what transpires in The Walking Dead, which is left to our imagination, is even more haunting than what they actually reveal to the viewer), that's a lesson that this dreadful mess could have taken into account. Some cast and crew members blame Jim Carrey's public disapproval of the film as a result of its poor box-office take, others blame online piracy, but they should wake up and smell the maple-nut crunch: the responsibility was on them to deliver a good enough follow-up to the original, and they didn't, because the film was a jarring mess in terms of character and tone. For example, one scene in the film depicts the Mother[fudge]r's bodyguard getting killed off. This is supposed to show the young kid how essential cruelty is and, with a snap of the fingers, he's a complete evil-doer, but he's still equipped with bottom-of-the-barrel one-liners? The film clearly has its bright spots, Jim Carrey is fantastic as Colonel Stars and Stripes, and the film tries its best to have a heart (which it does at various points), but the violence is so mean-spirited and the humour is so pointless that it makes the film out to be a dull, petty remake of the much superior original (Mark Strong made the original something special, a good hero is only as good as their villain, Strong delivered while McLovin tried too hard). 1.5/5

Iron Man 2




The worst film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe so far. Sure, Robert Downey Jr. is great, and so is Mickey Rourke to a certain extent, their face-to-face encounter during the racing scene in particular was intense and the scene following soon after between them was riddled with tension and pathos, but this is another example of too much of a good thing. While Downey was the saving grace of the original, in this sequel, I found him to be absolutely detestable, not to mention absurdly wreck-less to boot. Sure, his identity reveal at the end of the first instalment was wreck-less, but that's just Tony, he wants people to know he's Iron Man because he doesn't want to carry that extra baggage of having to keep a secret identity and all that mumbo-jumbo. In this one, however, he takes his wreck-less nature to new heights when he nearly kills his best friend (Rhodey) over nothing but being a drunken idiot, it's an absurd scene to endure and the fact that it's played for laughs is equally absurd. The story's your typical, cookie-cutter Marvel plot-line, fitted with their most generic final battle EVER. "You lose"? Yeah, we who paid money to see a good film did indeed "lose" because this film was lifelessly edited and only had a few good scenes to try to mend the wounds (the scene with Tony's father was rather well-done, and the Monaco race/fight sequence was stunning, but too bad it's the only good fight scene in the entire movie, surely audiences would love to see a bunch of mindless drones be blown away for the sake of having an action scene at the end), which it didn't. Iron Man 2 made me question whether or not I would still be able to enjoy seeing Downey in this role, but, thankfully, The Avengers and Iron Man 3 put that notion to rest. 2/5

Superman Returns




Do you like watching crops and land? Well then this is the movie for you, because it seems like the majority of the film's budget went to making that farm area which is supposed to be Smallville in the film, yet it only appears in the film for about 15-20 minutes to show us a useless flashback of Super-Jumping Clark, what... a... waste. Lex has a brilliant master plan too: make a Kryptonite island to kill Superman and make some hard-earned money off of selling the nearly impossible to live on rock-estate as well! Wow, what a genius idea! It's not like he could have done that BEFORE Superman... returned. No, of course not, that would make this film "smart", maybe even potentially good by the end. Instead of an intelligent take on Superman, we get a flimsy, flatline-inducing Superman film that has no punch (at all), while it pretentiously tries to ride off the success of the original two Superman films. It simply fails. In spite of Frank Langella's great performance, some cool rescue scenes, and a great Lex Luthor performance by Kevin Spacey, this film is far too dull and pointless to endure. Oh yeah, and James Marsden... 2/5

X-Men: The Last Stand



"I'd rather be second fiddle to Superman, dick."

Here we have the polar opposite of Superman Returns, a film that is TOO action-packed to the point where it doesn't know that it's completely lost its audience due to a list of jarring character developments and an overall lack of a soul. If you like this film, good for you, but, if you're like me, and you hate this movie, you probably already know the usual laundry list of complaints: Cyclops gone/dead/whatever, lame Dark Phoenix, too much Wolverine, too much Storm, too much action, too depressing, and the list goes on and on. However, the biggest tactical error that this miserable rubbish makes is killing off Professor Xavier within the first hour... it's literally a punch to the gut, and instead of becoming a serious revenge-driven film about avenging him, it becomes a wish-washy melodrama with Wolverine conflicted about whether or not he can actually kill Jean Grey. This is by far the worst X-Men film ever, quite possibly the worst comic-book film ever, and I would gladly watch X-Men Origins: Wolverine again ANY DAY over this bore. Seriously though, who thought it'd be a good idea to kill Professor Xavier right away like that? If this were to have been a better film, Magneto would have had a much stronger reaction to his best, seemingly only friend in the world dying in the most brutal way imaginable, but of course not. This is Brett Ratner and [poop]y screenwriters we're talking about here. That is an image that I can never get out of my mind, and I kind of hate how the new movie just glosses right over it like it was nothing, the scene was disturbing, and overall it proved to be absolutely pointless in the overarching storyline that they were (I guess) "trying" to tell. Despite all of the great things going for the film, the opening with Angel severing his wings, and the amazing performance by Kelsey Grammar as Beast, it's all too depressing to even remotely give a damn. I despise this movie the more I see/think about it, it's garbage. 1/5

Elektra




Daredevil, the film, was saved by its director's cut, but this film was just dead on arrival. Despite a great opening action scene, maybe not "great", but a good action sequence nevertheless (similar to Ninja Assassin, but that opening was far better, way more over-the-top and violently delightful), this film quickly delves into daytime TV story-lines mixed with poor performances (that little girl is one of the worst actresses ever) and bad CGI. Jennifer Garner tries her best to make this something enjoyable, and her commitment shows in the stunt-work she dives into, and her quieter scenes (like the opener) speak more about the character than the dialogue ever does. All-in-all, there isn't much to say about this film, it's dry, it's forgettable, but it's not offensive, it didn't make me angry like X-Men: The Last Stand, it just made me tired. I'd highly recommend this film to anyone suffering from insomnia. 1.5/5

Catwoman




I feel bad for Halle Berry when it comes to these comic-book movies. It always feels like they give her the short end of the stick. In X-Men, she has one of the stupidest lines ever:


"You know what happens to a toad that gets struck by lightning? Same thing happens to everything else." WHAT!?

In X2, she only has one good scene with Nightcrawler aboard the... X-Wing? In X-Men: The Last Stand, they make her this hateful being for no logical reason (maybe she woke up on the wrong side of the bed every morning?) and it completely contradicts the scenes she shared with Nightcrawler! In Days of Future Past, she gets killed off (twice, if I recall). And now, finally, we're down to Catwoman, a coming-of-age comedy about a bi-polar weirdo who decides that she wants to become a cat woman because she was "killed" and wants revenge against Sharon Stone for not telling her what happens after the ending of Basic Instinct. She has a friend who likes chocolate (a lot) and a cop who is not very smart, he's so dumb that he can't tell that the girl he's dating is clearly Catwoman (even though she sounds and looks exactly the same as her alter-ego, minus the lingerie-outfit). They also play basketball together. The film is so thought-provoking that it actually reaches new heights in terms of filmmaking and storytelling alike, Uwe Boll would be proud. 1/5



Batman & Robin




Like Catwoman, this is more of a comedy/commercial (for things like toys and video games) than an actual movie. It's ridiculous in every way and it makes the equally bad previous instalment look like gold when being compared. The film is hard to watch because it's almost unbearable the amount of puns and one-liners that are hammered in throughout, the constant use of neon light-shows is nauseating, the story is all over the place, and the script is probably the worst ever written for a comic-film. Still, despite all the glaring flaws, the film seems to get better with age (and, by that, I mean with a grain of salt), the Alfred scenes are still great and Arnold Schwarzenegger looks really scary as Mr. Freeze whenever he's not talking (which he does most of the time anyway, so it's tough to get intimidated by him playing a clown, but the make-up around his face and eyes are great, and the suit he wears is pretty intricate). As a comedy, it's a 2 out of 5, as a film, it's probably a 1 out of 5 because, visually, it can be fun to watch at times (I still kind of enjoy the opening chase sequence with the rocket, it would have been even better as a film if they had killed off Robin, giving Batman more of an incentive for stopping Mr. Freeze, plus Alfred should have died as well since he had his whole "you can't cheat death" speech, but, then again, this was just a toy commercial). 1.5/5



The Crow: City of Angels



No, for your information, I have not seen Wicked Prayer, I actually refuse to waste my time. Unless a group of friends pulled me aside to watch it, maybe then I'd give it a shot, but just from the images I've seen and the reviews themselves, I can clearly see that it's nothing special. But, with this, however, I feel the need to talk about this one because it definitely deserves more attention than that obvious [poop] stain. Though this film probably isn't any better or worse than Wicked Prayer, it's got a lot of things going for it: visually, the film is stunning and it tells its story more so through images as opposed to its often times cringe-worthy dialogue, Vincent Perez is great as Ashe/The Crow, but he's not given enough time to flesh out his character, the cameos from Tom Jane and Deftones are fun, and the climax of the film is arguably better than the first instalment's in terms of fright and suspense (despite ending it with a cheesy CGI/bird effect that just does not work at all). The script was written by David S. Goyer, and the film's director, Tim Pope, happily filmed it according to what was on paper... however, the studio, Miramax, decided at last minute that this wasn't "their vision". So they hired another editor and spliced together "their cut", which is absolutely abysmal when all of the deleted material is taken into account (a whole back-story is missing, similar to what happened with Daredevil). If any film deserves a director's cut, no film deserves it more than this one. As a kid, I still have images of the PPV version lingering in my head, and what I remember was a much more visceral, sombre experience that felt like the perfect sequel to The Crow. The studios may talk their heads off about remaking The Crow, but I think the fans would rather see a director's cut of the original, along with a director/writer's cut of The Crow: City of Angels, the writer, Goyer, is afterall partially responsible for what is probably the best trilogy in comic-adaptation history: The Dark Knight Trilogy. So, with that said, I think a new, extended cut of the film should be priority No. 1 for Miramax or whoever the hell owns the rights now. The Crow: Salvation was a pretty good film, so I don't see much of a need to re-edit that one, even though The Crow's a classic, there are still a couple of deleted parts that I'd like to see filled back into their rightful place. 2/5

Batman Forever




As a kid, I enjoyed this movie. It was just stupid enough, action-packed enough, and smart enough to sustain my interests. But, with being much older and wiser now, I can't help but absolutely hate this movie for how ridiculously stupid it is, despite the good intentions from the cast and filmmakers. Some people may roll their eyes when they read "good intentions", but I think it was in everyones' best interests to make a film that was much more toned-down than Burton's previous instalment. This one is dark enough to satisfy parents, while being light and funny enough to satisfy children. The circus scene with Robin and his family saving the crowd from the bomb was handled very well and the Batman/Robin dynamic worked wonderfully by the end of the film. But you're only as good as your villain(s)... in this case, both Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones are undeniably bad in their roles. It could be argued that Carrey was inspired by the original Riddler actor from the 60s TV series (Frank Gorshin), but that's no excuse. This role was no different from The Mask or Ace Ventura roles that he previously portrayed, so it's really boring trying to endure the same thing for a third (or fourth) time in a row from this overrated comedian. However bad Carrey is, nobody can top a money-hungry, phoning-it-in Tommy Lee Jones, who, after winning an Oscar for The Fugitive, slowly started to give up trying in films and instead resorts to mirroring his opposing actors. He's a puppet to Carrey, laughing at every "joke" he has to spew, he's obnoxious and annoying in this film, and he definitely drags it down a couple of feet thanks to his enormous ego. Ugh, they really should have kept Billy Dee Williams in the role at the very least. 1.5/5



Batman Returns




As much as it pains me to end with this one, I just gotta. Ever since I was a kid, I hated this film. While I recognized the many good parts throughout, especially the performances on display (Christopher Walken is a great villain, he's often hilarious, but always menacing, too bad he's only secondary to The Penguin), I couldn't get past how cold-blooded this film was, and how mean-spirited it all felt. None of the characters felt real or authentic, they just came off as being cold and inhuman throughout, and while it worked in some cases, Walken gives the best performance in the film by far, it doesn't work in the sense that Batman is, once again, played to be this mysterious, shady-type character. You don't know Bruce Wayne, so you don't really care for what he does throughout, it worked the first-time through, but not this time. He goes out at night, fights crime, that's it, just rinse and repeat (plus, he's rich: even more of a reason not to care about him because all of his problems can, usually, be solved with a simple dollar or two, but maybe more than that). Catwoman is a fun character, but The Penguin is just downright disgusting in every regard (despite a committed performance by the great Danny DeVito). Trying to play him off as a "tragic character" doesn't do the film much favours, even when they try to shove it down your throat, it's hard to care for a guy who randomly bites a guy's nose off, and gruesomely eats raw fish right in-front of everyone. It's not profound, it's just disgusting, pure and simple. Michael Keaton is still awesome in the role, even though he has little to work with this time, Danny Elfman's still a master composer, but Tim Burton was off his rocker with this instalment. This film is a violent, heartless endeavour through-and-through and I can clearly see why Warner Bros. wanted to steer clear away from that (and a lot of families being tramautized) with their third, much safer instalment. 2/5



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FINALLY, here are some other stinkers that I didn't include because either (A) I didn't see them or (B) I don't think they're as bad as critics claim them to be (they still may be pretty bad though):

-Captain America & Captain America 2: Death Too Soon (A)



-Superman III (B), Richard Pryor was awful, but Christopher Reeves is still amazing in the role, the dual Superman and junkyard fight scene is awesome, and the climax is kind of cool in a creepy sort of way (I remember being disturbed when the woman gets taken by the computers and becomes some scary, mechinized monster; really fun scene). 3/5



-Supergirl (A)

-Howard the Duck (B), despite some awkward moments (Duck boobs and duck-girl sex included), this film is so stupid and bizarre that I actually enjoyed the hell out of it, Howard is a cool character and the effects on display during the climax are pretty awesome. 2.5/5

-Superman IV: The Quest for Peace (B), once again, Christopher Reeves is still amazing as Superman, Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor returns, and the notorious wirework fight in space is hilarious to watch (plus, keeping track of all the Radioactive Man's screams would be a great drinking game to play). 2/5

-The Punisher ('89, B), I really enjoyed this film, it's fast and effective, Dolph Lundgren is great as Frank Castle, oddly enough one of the biggest gripes I have with it is that he never wears the skull shirt (one of the most essential things to a Punisher story, and it couldn't simply fit that in, what a shame). 3.5/5

-Captain America ('90, B), the film puts a lot of weight on actor Matt Salinger's shoulders to deliver a good performance, he does, but the film is kind of boring because he doesn't have the wonderful history that comic-book Cap had, besides that though, I still like the climax of the film (Cap's got some cool one-liners throughout) and the first fight between Red Skull and Cap is actually quite terrifying and effective (too bad it's the only "Red" Skull scene we get). Also, GTA Cap is still hilarious (loved the reference to it in The Winter Solider when Black Widow asks him about stealing cars). 3/5

-The Fantastic Four ('94, A)

-The Shadow (B), I like Alec Baldwin in the film, but it reminded me too much of The Phantom (which I saw before this, even though it came out about 3 years later, and I actually preferred the film, since it was a lot more fun and the lead actor, Billy Zane, is a lot more likeable), The Shadow himself looks cool, but the love story and villain(s?) are bland and forgettable. 2/5

-Judge Dredd (B), "I AM THE LAW!" 2.5/5

-Tank Girl (A)

-Spawn (B), Michael Jai White is awesome as usual in his role as Spawn, the villains are great and the effects are great as well (minus Spawn's cape), but the film is, overall, very difficult to endure on repeat viewings. 2.5/5

-Steel (A)

-Daredevil (B), the theatrical version is a 3/5, but the director's cut is essential viewing if you're as much of a fan of this character as I am, it has all of the plot back in its rightful place and finally explained the theatrical cut's confusing climax where Matt tells Kingpin: "Can't you hear? Words out on the Kingpin." Yeah, we can hear it now that you're telling us! But what "word" is out on the Kingpin? Seemed like a whole lot of nothing in the theatrical version. But, thankfully, the director's cut clears that up and has a lot more life in it to boot, the characters are also much more fleshed-out (Foggy and Ben Urich in particular are given meatier roles that help elevate their characters above being simple comic-relief/plot-devices). All-in-all, this is the essential version of the film and one of my favourite comic-book adaptations. My only gripe is that Matt leaves behind his mask at the end. It's undoubtably a great image, with the blood flowing in the water behind it, accompanied by Kingpin's maniacal laughter, and it could have led to an even better sequel potentially with Matt's identity being in question. However, it seemed so stupid of Matt to think that the police wouldn't believe the Kingpin telling everyone that he "got beat by a blind man" when he quite clearly had his mask (not to mention, "blood in the water") as valid proof that he did get beat by a blind man! Plus, he openly tries to kill Bullseye, by tossing him out the church window, but he can't kill the Kingpin (who orchestrated all of the tragedies that Matt has face over the course of his life)? Not much logic was on-display during that final fight scene, but it always makes me think about what could have came after if they had only released the director's cut for everyone to see in theatres instead. A superior sequel? Oh well, leave it to Disney/Marvel to (hopefully) correct that mistake. 4.5/5

-Hulk (B), the Hulk scenes are arguably the worst part of the film, besides the escape from the army base, and the desert/helicopter chase following afterwards. The cast is all-around excellent, especially Eric Bana as Bruce Bana, but Sam Elliott steals the show as General Ross, he's menacing and relatable, everything we needed from the Marvel Studios remake (which William Hurt failed to deliver), the score by Danny Elfman is awesome, and the cinematography/editing is very well-done, with comic-book panels crossing in-and-out of the film at various instances (it felt stupid the first-time I watched it, but it grew on me more with repeat viewings over time). 3/5

-The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (B), I never really understood all of the hate this movie got, I could understand why comic-fans may have hated it (because it wasn't very similar to the series by Alan Moore), but films like this and Van Helsing are made to be pure spectacle. Sure, it is a dumb movie, but it's also a fun movie thanks to the ever-dependable Sean Connery (in a near career-capping role), some great special effects and a rather enjoyable final act jam-packed with cool action set-pieces. 3/5

-The Punisher ('04, B), the smartest of The Punisher films, but, oddly enough, it's my least favourite of the bunch. Thomas Jane is great, as is John Travolta ("All of it?! All?!" One of my favourite lines), but the film is a weird mix between brutal action-revenge film and often cringe-worthy dark comedy, it works in some scenes (such as the interrogation with the popsicle) but others just drag on (Frank vs. The Russian was fun, but it didn't need all of those ridiculous comedic beats constantly being hammered-in throughout, the fight was good enough without all that junk). While The Punisher himself is a smart character, the villains are really stupid. They know exactly where Frank lives and yet, somehow, they can't just kill him by exploding the place while he's inside, that's the most ridiculous thing in the film. Other than that, this is still a fun watch despite having an invincible Punisher in the lead (the tie-in video-game was amazing as well, similar to the X-Men Origins: Wolverine game, it's even better than the film). 3/5

-Blade: Trinity (B), Wesley Snipes was, according to Patton Oswalt, in full Daniel Day-Lewis mode on the set for Blade: Trinity, having actors only refer to him as "Blade", using Post-It notes to communicate, getting Cheech and Chong high in his trailers, etc. T
hough I'm still mad that they killed off Whistler THAT quickly just after they brought him back in Blade II, in the end, it was a miracle that the film even got made and, watching it now, with knowing all the madness that went into it, I like it a lot more than I did previously. 3/5




-Son of the Mask (B), ugh... I completely forgot about this film, should have been on the list, but it slipped my mind completely. Though this film is absolutely terrible in every way imaginable, it did give us some of the best reviews of all time (my favourite one being from the legendary Roger Ebert). 1/5

-Fantastic Four and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (B), I enjoyed both movies, they're cheesy to the extreme, but the cast and characters are likeable enough to get me by. I prefer the sequel because of the Silver Surfer, but it gets the same score as the original for having Galactus appear... as a cloud. 2.5/5

-Ghost Rider and Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (B), I don't hate these movies, but I don't really like watching them either, so they're both very middle-of-the-road for me. The first arguably has a better story, though it spins a rather unnecessary origin story, but the action is rather weak. The sequel has great action, the Rider looks outstanding, but the story is dreadful, and the villains are laughable (but the first instalment wasn't much better either). If anything, Cage makes these films watchable, he's always game to give a good performance, but here he's on autopilot because of indifferent directors (though the directors of the sequel are much better than Steven Johnson, thanks to the Crank films, plus, the sequel has one of Cage's best line deliveries ever when he says something along the lines of "Then we better make sure your son doesn't turn out to be the Anti-Christ"). 2.5/5



-Spider-Man 3 (B), yeah, the villains are overly sentimental and the film is one big tear-jerker, but the action is the most consistent of the entire series and Maguire, Franco, Simmons and Harris are still great in their respective roles. It's a shame that Dylan Baker couldn't become The Lizard, as his role as Dr. Connors here is very good and could have led to a much better sequel if only the story didn't revolve around... "The Vulturess" (what were the writers thinking)?! I guess it's good that they rebooted it when they did, because that could have been the Batman & Robin of the Spider-Man franchise. This isn't Batman Forever, though there are similarities (he gets a partner by the end who he argues with frequently, but, in the end, their tragedies bring them together to help lead them on a better path, both father-figures are killed, and the film technically has two lead villains), the film has much more energy than that film and it still has the beating heart and soul of the previous two in its blood. I believe there's a better version of this film that's been left on the cutting room floor (bring on the director's cut please, Sony). I don't know why they couldn't have had Peter and/or Eddie talking to himself when the symbiote latches onto him in the film, something the other two films had, where the villains would talk to their "other halves", this should have had that more so than the other films (the symbiote's a perfect character for that type of dialogue). 3.5/5

-X-Men Origins: Wolverine (B), yeah, I like this better than The Last Stand because it's not depressing. I'd take a cheesy remake of Universal Solider any day over another hopeless, lifeless X-Men instalment. Plus, the action in this is more entertaining too because it's so over-the-top and ridiculous. The more I watch it, the more I don't mind it. 3/5

-Punisher: War Zone (B), like the '89 version, this film is fast-paced, ultra-violent, yet really fun as well because it embraces how truly bizarre it wants to be. I love Ray Stevenson in the role, he's my favourite of the three actors portraying the character, and his quiet expressions throughout are quite effective, especially in the scene where he confronts the wife of the undercover cop he accidentally killed. The villains are rather laughable, but I like that it was intentional, Jigsaw's make-up is scary, but he's largely played-up as comedy-relief (same with Loony-Bin Jim, who's arguably a much better villain). All-in-all, it's the action that makes this film a stand-out in my eyes, the final guns-blazin' battle throughout the apartment is simply stunning to behold, and the gore will be a treat for slasher fans (like me). 3.5/5

-Green Lantern (B), meh, I'm indifferent about this film, I actually liked Reynolds in the lead but everything else seemed too cookie-cutter to even bother thinking about. The villains were mediocre, but the action and effects were cool to see depicted, the characters are weak and oddly used as comedy-relief (about 80% of the time), and the film has no sense of adventure; instead, it tries to walk a tightrope between being serious and humourous... not a very good idea. Martin Campbell is a great director, he's given us GoldenEye, Casino Royale and, my favourite of his, The Mask of Zorro, but this film doesn't feel like it was made by him, it feels more so made by the studio than anyone else. Hopefully the inevitable reboot can better serve the fans. 2/5

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GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 10/17/2014, 1:08 PM
IM2 and batman returns don't belong on this list. They can both be considered "decent" movies. Not good but definently not bad.
McGee
McGee - 10/17/2014, 1:15 PM
Thank God he wasn't too harsh on Green Lantern. Gusto has a weak heart.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 10/17/2014, 3:04 PM
Enough with the negative BS already. We have our good films and our bad ones. We know which ones they are.
thejon93rd
thejon93rd - 10/17/2014, 11:07 PM
@GinjaNinja - The films had decent moments but, overall, they were both obnoxiously terrible films with a mean-spirit lingering throughout.

@McGee - It's definitely not as bad as some people draw it out to be, it's good some good action beats and a strong performance by Mark Strong as Sinestro, but the film suffers from an identity crisis, it doesn't know what it wants to be so it flip-flops between genres like some women with shoes. It's not a bad film, but it's definitely not a good one either. It's got enjoyable sections throughout though, I can respect a film for giving me at least something to enjoy.

@Gusto - Thanks for the good news. And get that heart/liver better.

@Dingbat - It's always good to revisit films though, even if they are considered bad. Plus, some people may be looking to see some of these, so I thought I'd share my views, what's your problem with people reviewing (mostly) all bad films? Movies are catered to a variety of people, clearly a lot of people really enjoyed Iron Man 2 and Batman Returns, but that doesn't mean that I HAD to like what the vast majority liked as well. I highlighted those 10 movies over the rest because I had a lot to talk about with each one. The Crow: City of Angels, for instance, is a film that I felt could have been way better if it had been left alone, I wanted to empathise that in my analysis to maybe give past viewers of the film a new perspective that they maybe didn't consider before. I hate negative BS too, but this wasn't me being negative, this was me sharing my opinions to people like yourself out of my passion for film, even though I call those 10 films "bad", it doesn't mean I expect others to feel the same way. I like disagreeing with others, it's part of what makes us human and helps ignite an interesting debate that may open your (or my) eyes to brand-new viewpoints that we hadn't considered before.

@OmegaDaGod - You consider those films "disappointments" but you can't call them "bad" because... what exactly? Sorry, man, I'm just confused, I'm not fan-raging at my computer when typing these type of articles. I'm expressing why I felt these movies were bad not just because of certain scenes or my bias, I base my judgement on a film on the whole overarching experience of it all. Did I learn something that I didn't? Or was I just thoroughly entertained? I always consider the whole-package, and then dissect what I liked and didn't. The Last Stand was a film that left me cold after watching it, I didn't learn anything, I didn't care about the characters, it just made me angry because of how violent and ridiculously cartoonish it was when away from the violence. The actors had nothing to work with, but hey, the action's great, that should make the fans happy! It didn't make me happy, and that formula was used with Iron Man 2. Superman Returns was all over the map, so was Spider-Man 3, but that was enjoyable because it wasn't pretending to be something it wasn't, it had those other films to refer back to. Batman Returns dropped almost everything I loved about the original and gave me an ugly villain in return, as I said before, a good hero is only as good as the villain, none of these films had smart villains. They just act in favour of the hero to get them from Point A to B and maybe fill that void with some action along the way. Wash, rinse, repeat, how original.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 10/18/2014, 6:10 AM
Nice thought out article and love the Gifs :P

Agree with Batman & Robin and Catwoman and X-Men 3 plus others, but Punisher Warzone and X-Men Origins should be up the top easy, horrible, horrible movies. Also think Iron Man 3 is a worst movie than 2 but both I got issues with too.

The fact Superman Returns and Batman Returns movies are up there is a joke, especially Batman Returns, pure classic and you cant beat Keaton!

Superman Returns I enjoyed except the superkid (stupid), and the no punch thing, but it had the magic of what Superman is all about and the fantastic score too, lacking and a forgettable score in MOS.

All comes down to personal taste at the end of the day, so well done article.

Also personally I didn't mind Fantastic Four, but fair rating. Wasn't perfect but I bet its gonna look Oscar worthy compared with what we got coming with this horrible reboot. Hated Doom and Galactus, loved Silver Surfer, Fox should've made a solo SS movie far in outer space with a proper Galactus instead of this new reboot, Fox would be great at doing that. Don't get me wrong rather see them back at Marvel Studios though.

As for The Shadow, c'mon... love that movie! ; P
thejon93rd
thejon93rd - 10/18/2014, 10:42 AM
Thanks, @LEEE777. I love the GIFs too. :D

Batman & Robin, Catwoman and X3 are dreadful films. I don't disagree with anyone calling War Zone and Origins bad films, but I found them to be guilty-pleasures over time. They are what they are, I preferred Origins over X3 because at least Jackman seemed to have fun with the material, whereas EVERYONE in X3 had such depressing material to work with that it just brought down my enjoyment of the film to a minimum (Grammar was perfect as Beast though, happy he got a cameo in Days of Future Past but they should have made him one of the members still alive with Storm and the others IMO). I used to not like Iron Man 3 very much, mostly because I listened to too many fans who were mad about the Mandarin twist among others things, but that quickly changed on my second viewing of the film, something just clicked for me and I ended up really loving the film. Sure, some parts are kind of "off", such as: Tony's reaction to Pepper's "death", the stupid ending (starting with destroying the suits, the cheesy narration, easily being able to heal Extremis and the surgery scene), some out-of-place humour, the Iron Man armour breaking when it gets hit by a bus, and the Mandarin twist (of course) are all up there. But, after the second and other viewings I gave the film, some of those negatives became positives: I like the ending more now because it sets up Ultron's hatred for his own creator (I believe that Ultron was a part of the consciousness of the machines that Tony built and had in the first Iron Man, including the Iron Man armours at the final fight, which is why Tony brings them with him at the end of the film in-order for Ultron to live on in the smallest of ways, obviously he must be mad that Tony destroyed the suits so his revenge will be taken in Age of Ultron), I find the Mandarin twist to be quite humorous now because of Kingsley's great performance (plus, the potential that there may be a "real" Mandarin somewhere out there who's PO'd about the two of them tarnishing his name is really interesting), the comedy's the best part of the film (loved the constant quipage that Downey dished in the film, the "I loved you in A Christmas Story" line early on in the film is one of my favourites) and the action is phenomenal (and there was more of it than the second instalment, plus it actually fit more in with the story this time, Tony's mansion destruction/battle is one of the best Marvel fight sequences I've ever seen).

I see why you and others like Batman Returns, it's got tons of great scenes throughout: Batman saves Selina Kyle at the start, Batman throws that big guy into a hole and he explodes because of his bomb, March of the Penguins near the end, The Penguin rising from the water and Bruce watching the penguins drag him back into the water was a beautiful image, the whole scene near the end between Batman, Catwoman and Max Shreck was my favourite part of the film. Besides those scenes, I didn't get much else out of the film, I hated how gross The Penguin was, his convoluted plot obviously was gonna fail from teh very beginning, I hate how none of the citizens of Gotham have anything to say in protest of The Penguin when he's running for mayor (the guy freakin' bit another guy's nose off, I'd definitely reconsider my vote after that, plus, why was there no news coverage of that; it sure would have been a smarter way of The Penguin losing people's votes because of how despicable he clearly is), the disgusting sexual references Penguin used around Catwoman made me wanna hurl, and there's so much more that I hated about the film. I consider my 2/5 rating to be almost too nice, the film is so ugly and mean-spirited, it made me wonder if I even cared about the Batman character any more (something that the Nolan films put to rest in a heartbeat), but I also liked a lot more scenes in it than I did the Schumacher films, so I knew that the rating had to be above those two train-wrecks.

Superman Returns is the same way, tons of great scenes scattered throughout, but they're too far in-between for me to care much about the film, and it doesn't help that Superman somehow loses his vulnerability to Kryptonite when he lifts the island away. If he really was supposed to be considered "dead" at the end of the movie, they shouldn't have shown/found his body in the crater to be PERFECTLY INTACT (Lex stabbing him with the Kryptonite dagger was the closest he came to dying, because that at least penetrated his skin). The pointless love triangle was irritating too, I hated the unnecessary competition between Clark and Perry White's son (reminded me of Spider-Man 2, but at least JJ's son wasn't jealous of Peter/Spider-Man, being jealous is a female trait, take it from Jay-Z). James Marsden is a very underrated actor, I hoped for better use of him in this film, since he was utterly wasted in X3, but that idea never came around and, instead, he ends up being the generic dad to Superkid. Oh, and Man of Steel is leaps and bounds better than Superman Returns... IMO. ;)

I think the new Fantastic Four film will be really great, probably on par with Days of Future Past. The cast is really solid, Miles Teller was an inspired choice for Mr. Fantastic, I like Michael B. Jordan (he'll be awesome as the Human Torch), The Thing looks awesome and is played by Jamie Bell, who did mo-cap work for Tintin (I didn't like that film much, but he's obviously a talented actor and the mo-cap worked wonderfully for that film), so I expect he'll be great. I don't know much about the woman playing The Invisible Woman, but I could honestly care less (her character was always my least favourite of the four in the comics). I expect Doom will be handled much more efficiently too, I loved Trank's Chronicle, he handled the villainous turn of a certain character very well, so I hope it plays out similarly in this new instalment. I think Marvel are idiots for stopping the comic-book run of Fantastic Four over this, really makes them out to be a bunch of overly-jealous babies, I get what their game-plan is though, they obviously want this reboot to fail so that the rights will revert back to Marvel Studios but I don't think that will work out well for them. But we'll see how it goes, I just can't wait to see some footage to get a better idea as to what they're going for with the film.

Haha, I don't mind The Shadow. I preferred Raimi's Darkman, which is very much similar in terms of style and tone (plus, it has Liam Neeson who's a far better actor than Baldwin IMO). I didn't like how similar The Shadow was to Batman, I liked the prologue a lot, about a bad guy who gets a chance to redeem himself, but the rest of the film felt like Batman recruiting the city of Gotham for some favours. Just a bit too cheesy for my taste, I think a reboot could be great though (if done right, of course).
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 10/18/2014, 2:09 PM
Hey :PP

Yeah, second viewing Iron Man 3 was better for me too than the first, did feel too Disney but then again its a Disney film ;p Yeah liked the humor too and the Mandarin twist is interesting, especially if there is a real Mandarin about somewhere.

I liked DOFP a lot but all I see is a disaster when it comes to Trank's FF movie, and Kate Mara ain't a bad actress for Invisible girl, kinda like the Mr Fantastic casting too but the Human Torch and Thing, well Bell be cool as Thing its the Ben Grimm parts I don't get, nothing like him. Maybe Marvel don't like the way FF is going either, after all it is their baby Fox and Trank are destroying (just my imo lol). Chronicle loved it, but rather of seen a Chronicle 2 or an original superhero team than what's coming out...also 9 times outta 10 Fox/Marvel movies suck.

Best part of X3 for me was Multiple Man, but yeah that was all over the place. James, would love to see a solo Cyclops movie, but doubt that will happen.

Batman Returns is from the mindset of Tim Burton, gotta be twisted and mean, guess its Marmite, either you like it or hate it. :D

Don't get me wrong I liked MOS but I wanted to love it and couldn't, felt too Matrix, also didn't help you had a Matrix actor as Perry White, Russel Crowe walking everywhere as Zor-El, all the plot holes galore. I could even ignore all that but what ruined it for me was Lois knowing Superman and Clark was the same person even before the world knows of Superman's existence, should have saved that for a sequel and I still cant remember the forgettable Superman score, that's like making Star Wars without the Star Wars score, you don't. After Watchmen I personally expected more from Snyder.

Still both much better than that sh1te we got on the last few seasons of Smallville.

I'm the biggest Punisher fan, and rate Punisher 04 over Warzone tenfold, actor and plot. Got near every Punisher comic ever published and hated the way the characters were treated in Warzone, from Microchip to Jigsaw, great characters, many years of history and killing both in the space of one movie ridden with bad writing from start to efinish I couldn't love it, glad some did though.

Cool. hey I love Darkman too ;p

Got the same issues with you about Green Lantern, still think Reynolds deserves another chance, like still have him in the JLA movie and for a Green Lantern sequel have John Stewart star, third one Guy Gardner and a Forth maybe Kyle? A prequel could even have a Green Lantern movie starring Alan Scott, endless characters.

Still think Strong's Sinestro was one of the best comic to movie villains to-date, so wanna see him again even if we don't get Reynold's.

Think you rated Spider-Man 3 a bit too high, but its your own personal taste, just wish they made Venom so much better than it was and with a better actor. Sandman was cool enough, of course the emo bit wasn't. Still rather of seen a Spidey 4 than Web's new franchise, especially after watching AMSM 2 plus its too Ultimate and I've never liked that Marvel line myself. Wish they just called it Ultimate Spider-Man 1 & 2 instead of Amazing. Love to see Raimi back, yeah no Vultress though :P

Cheers Jon for the long reply, enjoyed reading it, thanks bud. End of the day, we all comic book movie lovers and everyone on this page/site will have different tastes than everyone else, so its all good. No one can say your wrong and their right, like I said it comes down to your own personal tastes.
sameoldthing
sameoldthing - 10/18/2014, 2:51 PM
There can be pros/cons to most of the films on this list.
However..Iron Man 3 is the worst Marvel film to date. IM 2 is much better.
thejon93rd
thejon93rd - 10/18/2014, 4:24 PM
@LEEE777 - I'd much rather see a sequel to Chronicle too rather than yet another superhero reboot, but, of all the other directors they could have went with, Josh Trank is by far one of the better choices. I hope the rumours are true that they'll incorporate a bit of found-footage in the film, obviously it won't be for the whole film, but a couple of newsreel clips revealing the Fantastic Four/Dr. Doom in action would be really cool. Remember the scene from The Incredible Hulk where The Abomination breaks out into the alleyway and is followed by the soldiers? There could be found-footage esque sequences such as that where it's just one, extended take that allows the audience to be immersed into a much more realistic take on the Fantastic Four (as opposed to Tim Story's predecessors).

Multiple Man was very cool in X3, the actor had a lot of charisma, it was such a shame that they didn't have him in the final battle, but I like that he tricks the army into thinking that they found Magneto and his gang of goons.

Seeing Man of Steel in IMAX theatres, not in 3D (thank God), was one of the best experiences at the movies I've ever had, the biggest ear-to-ear smile on my face almost the entire time through it. Lawrence Fishburne as Perry White was one of my favourite castings in the film, he added a lot of energy to the story in the short-time he was in it for, I really liked his "week without pay, that's your penance" line to Lois after she leaks the "alien among us" story online, I also liked how good-hearted he was at the end (with taking Jenny's hand while she was trapped in-between the rubble as they both thought they were about to die, very touching moment). Russell Crowe was great as Jor-El, I loved the 15-20 minute Krypton opening of the film, the visuals were unbelievable, and the chemistry between Crowe and Michael Shannon as Zod was spot-on (even for the short-time it lasted). I loved the scene where hologram Jor-El leads Lois to safety while aboard Zod's ship, I thought that was well-done and his final message to Kal was fun ("Strike that panel") and inspiring ("You can save them all", loved those lines, kind of cheesy, but they worked for the type of film this is IMO).

The biggest plot-hole the film has is when Zod first announces his arrival, instead of asking Jor-El what to do to stop him, he goes to church and talks to the priest instead. Sure, that was a good scene, but "How It Should Have Ended" pointed it out very well that Superman could have easily stopped Zod right before he made his arrival on Earth by simply throwing his ship at Zod's to send them all back to the Phantom Zone (I wish we could have seen the Phantom Zone in the film, that was another problem I had with it). But I view it as Clark simply made a mistake, he's not the smartest superhero, so he's prone to making mistakes, that was clearly the biggest one and he'll suffer the consequences for it in Batman vs. Superman (set pictures reveal people protesting against Superman, and Bruce Wayne is quite clearly against him as well, Lex seems to be fine with him, but obviously that's just a plot to try and rope Superman into whatever evil scheme he's planning).

I also liked that Lois knew who Clark was before he became Superman, it gives the film a freshness that other superhero films lack and it immediately lets go of the notion that it'll be just another retelling of the Richard Donner originals. That was one of my favourite things about the film, whereas one of my biggest gripes with the film was that Clark doesn't have much to say in the film. But I did love the line during the climax of the film when he crashes through Zod's ship and is about to destroy it with his heat-vision, but Zod yells "Stop! If you destroy this ship, you destroy Krypton!" Clark clearly gives it a seconds-worth of thought, but then realizes "Krypton had it's chance" and proceeds to destroy the ship. That scene could have been the end of that battle and I would have been happy because that literally made me want to stand up and cheer, I loved that Zod was so military and that he acknowledges at the end that that was all he was made for, it's a brilliant realization on his part, it's just a shame that he had to take his cause so far that he refused to co-exist with Clark and the rest of the planet.

Personally, I really loved the score. It was grand, epic, just what I wanted, and the scene where Superman stands up in the middle of that beam in-order to destroy the world-engine was simply beautiful. I don't think the final act of the film is as great as the first-two, but it definitely blew my mind in terms of the action and scope of it all. The characters were well-done too, I like how Superman doesn't truly become Superman until the very end of the film when all the fighting is over, that impressed me because often films like this are afraid of showing the hero make mistakes. Here, however, he makes plenty of mistakes because he's not the perfect hero, he has all of those amazing powers and yet none of his people are left to help show him the way. When Zod and his people finally arrive, he realizes that maybe not knowing his people was for the best as they were all created to simply serve a cause and do nothing beyond serving that cause alone. Man of Steel was more thoughtful than I was expecting, and it still makes me think deeply about it to this day (and it made me finally care about Superman again).

I see why you like Punisher ('04) over War Zone, like I said before, it's quite clearly smarter than the other instalments, and it's a lot more realistically-portrayed as well. The only thing I hated was how invincible Frank Castle was, he'd get shot, stabbed, beat-up, and yet he'd appear to be just fine in the very next scene. Plus, he's smart, but the villains are stupid, they know where Castle lives (because they sent not just one, but TWO assassins there to kill him) and somehow they can't kill him. That should have been left out of the script for the film IMO. War Zone had so many things to hate: killing Microchip and Jigsaw (as you stated) was just ridiculous if they were really looking to build a franchise off of this movie, Detective Soap was annoying and the movie was too ridiculous to take seriously a lot of the time (I hated that speech Jigsaw gives to the gangs he recruits while behind the American flag, I know it was played to be cheesy but it was just so exhausting to sit through). Still, at the end of the day, I liked how clear-cut the film was, straight-forward and to the point as quickly as possible. I was surprised to enjoy it so much.

Reynolds could work just fine as Green Lantern again, but I think he'll be too busy with Deadpool and other projects when the time comes. So, instead, I'd like to see them start out with John Stewart and go from there.

I used to really hate The Amazing Spider-Man, but, when I saw the sequel, I suddenly found myself enjoying it more. I loved The Amazing Spider-Man 2, I thought it was a lot of fun, I recognize the flaws, but I think the good outweighs the bad very much so. I'd love to see extended cuts for both films though, as there are a lot of deleted scenes that would have added much more to the films IMO. I also agree with you on how they should have called it "Ultimate" over "Amazing", that's more fitting for the stories they were telling.

Cheers to you too, man. I appreciate you taking the time to check this article out.
thejon93rd
thejon93rd - 10/18/2014, 7:45 PM
@VIRILEMAN - I respect your opinions, man. But "list fail"? You can barely string a sentence together to explain why a film's awesome or "pure sh!t". The Dark Knight Rises is certainly a lot better than you draw it out to be and it's definitely much better than Iron Man 2 in terms of: storytelling (The League of Shadows resurgence vs. angry Russian who wants Tony Stark dead), character development (Bruce starts out as a lonely hermit, ends with passing the torch to a deserving successor and finally gets over Rachel's death by finding a new love vs. Tony finds out the device that saved him is killing him, finds a cure, beats the bad guys and kisses Pepper), performances (Bale, Hardy, Hathaway, My Cocaine, Freeman vs. Downey Jr., Rourke, Rockwell, Paltrow, Cheadle) and action (opening plane scene, Batman returns, Bane/Batman RD. 1, escaping the pit, Bane/Batman RD. 2, Batman and Catwoman retrieving the bomb vs. Monaco race/fight, drunk Iron Man vs. War Machine, Iron Man/War Machine vs. mindless drones/target practice, Iron Man/War Machine vs. Whiplash).

Let's run down the list of terrible things having to do with X-Men: The Last Stand:
-Mutants have power classifications?
-Scott hasn't gotten over Jean's death, why aren't people consoling him? Sure, Wolverine tries, and fails, at one point but why couldn't Xavier step in to help more (oh yeah, because Singer wanted Marsden in Superman Returns)? Instead, he gives some stupid excuse saying that he's lost and instead wants Storm to take charge because Halle Berry has a lot of free time on her hands for this movie.
-Rogue gets rid of her powers over a boy because of jealousy, she says that wasn't the reason but it's clearly the reason why she did do it.
-Magneto asks "What have I done?" when Jean/Dark Phoenix starts annihilating everyone, yet he somehow wasn't expecting her to do something stupidly violent like that when she killed Xavier?
-Constant one-liners: "You're in over your head, Bobby", "Charles always wanted to build bridges", "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", "Don't get your panties in a bunch", etc.
-Cyclops and Xavier are killed within the first hour.
-The film's depressing.

I can keep going, but I'll stop there. "That really isn't a reason to hate the movie": of course it is, it's only part of a reason to hate the movie, but it's still a reason, not too hard to fathom I hope.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 10/19/2014, 8:41 AM
Cheers @ Jon u too!

Shows you got lots of passion man on cbm's which is great.

I watched MOS in 3D, wish I saw it in IMAX though. I own it on Blu-Ray still of course. Phantom Zone yeah would have loved that too and yeah the Zod thing your right about as well.

My faults are I love the pre Flashpoint DC Universe and Richard Donner films too much and retelling's just ruin the whole movie for me. I'm still trying to enjoy the New52 stuff and been years now and only thing I love unconditionally is the Earth 2 series, Green Lantern (as not a lot's changed) and a few others. Still don't like the new Superman take much and they totally ruined Lobo and many others but hopefully I'll get there at some point an embrace the change :p

Just still feels DC pissed on most of the History of the DC Universe to make a quick buck. Reason I'm talking New 52 tho is because a lot of the new DC movies take big parts of it. Like Justice League, no way Cyborg should be in the original line up, wanna see him in The Titans not JLA. Don't get me wrong hopefully still will love the JLA movie, but for many many years wanted to see the real JLA movie instead of one loosely based on the New52 one.

Yeah well after the Mortal Komabat Deadpool in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, he's got more right to play Hal again than that, horrible Deadpool, the worst, the merc with no mouth lol. I know, I know, Fox is trying to fix all the shit they fricked up but still all the millions they get it shouldn't of got all fricked up in the first place with just a handful of X-Men movies under their belt. X-MOFP given me hope though, glad Singers back.

Yeah well fingers crossed with FF, newsreel footage would be cool in it.

VIRILEMAN's kinda right... not about list fail but about RISES. Not a great movie, Dark Knight and Begins are two of my favorite DC movies ever but TDKR wasn't great, horrible Catwoman and Bane wasn't great. An the back break thing was so weak unlike what I read in Knightfall. The film is so slow and it took me 2 years to even watch it again and then I could only get through half, record for me. Worst part for me though is the last 10 minutes towards the end, pissed on all the Bat characters just so Nolan can wrap it all up Hollywood style. Be a much better and powerful film if they stopped it when Batman blew up in the sky, end credits, like we gotta imagine did he didn't he type of thing.

The coffee shop in France or where ever it was bit, Bruce and Selena sitting in full view of everyone? I mean c'mon one of the most famous people in the DC world supposed to be dead and sipping coffee with a happy ending in plain sight was just plain stupid. In a world of the internet, smartphones etc never happen and I cant even talk how stupid the Robin bit was, just trying to forget that. Rises doesn't touch BB or TDK or Batman '89 or Batman Returns for that matter.

Yeah that and Hex two of the worst DC movies to-date.

Hoping WB will smash us away with BAT VS SUPES!

Also awesome news about all their DC movies up to 2020, just hope they actually keep to it and don't mess 'em up!

Anyways thanks for reading man.

Btw check out the Constantine TV series when its out, the pilot was really good.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 10/19/2014, 2:56 PM
I don't hate Rises, just wasn't for me, Nolan dropped the ball but it was near impossible to top TDK, just wish he got close.

Also forgot to say awesome pic of Burton's Batman Forever you found there, damn wish that was made instead of what we got.


Thanks for the add

^5'sss
thejon93rd
thejon93rd - 10/19/2014, 10:57 PM
@LEEE777 - I believe he got close to topping Batman Begins and The Dark Knight with Rises, though I do like those films a bit better, I loved how Rises focused on the pure spectacle of it all and made it as grand of a closer as possible. It really felt like they were trying their best to not just simply top the other two, but to make it a logical conclusion that can daringly wrap things up and leave room for people to make other conclusions at the same time. For instance, I like the theory that the "autopilot" thing at the end was just a dream of Alfred's, they showed a shot of his past quickly while talking to Bruce in the Batcave about what he wanted for Bruce, he had seen Catwoman before, so it made sense that he could be dreaming of such a thing in hoping that Bruce would still be alive out there somewhere. That's the way I like to view it, and I loved that they didn't say or do much beyond that in the scene with Alfred nodding at Bruce/Selina at the end, that final shot of Batman in The Bat felt like the true ending, whereas that other ending was there to inspire hope in Alfred and the audience alike that maybe Bruce really did survive the explosion.

I thought he wrapped the trilogy up very beautifully, paying a lot of visual references back to the previous films, while connecting back to Batman Begins (which, surprisingly, a lot of people hadn't seen before The Dark Knight, since The Dark Knight was the go-to Batman film to see because of the huge viral/marketing campaign along with one of Ledger's final and definitive film performances as well as the fact that it didn't really need to connect back to any film), Begins is my favourite Batman film ever so I was pleased to see the callbacks to that one. The Dark Knight worked as more of a stand-alone film than either Begins or Rises, where both of those sort of fit perfectly side-by-side, The Dark Knight branches off and tells a unique and engrossing story that doesn't need the extra baggage of the other films weighing it down. As much as I loved The Dark Knight, I love the trilogy more as a whole, I think Rises is slightly better. Even though The Dark Knight is, as a film, brilliant (the script, the performances, everything's just so well-done), my only problem with the film was how serious it was.

It had humour throughout, most of which I hated (those cops banter during the armoured car chase was the worst IMO), but the film felt very cloying and pretentious at times with the constant coincidences and it was all because of The Joker himself. In that sense, it isn't much of a flaw, because that's the nature of The Joker to be "ahead of the curve", but it took me out of the film in some cases. In Rises, I had a similar problem with Bane, he wants to poison Batman's soul by having himself, Talia and everyone else killed for the sake of "Ras al Ghul's destiny"? Kind of absurd, but it made sense that he would want such a thing because of his endearing love for Talia, which she would not surrender to him because she was too far gone and would rather use that notion of "love" to trick Bruce into being betrayed (similar to what her father did, by trying to turn Bruce into an executioner), I just hated how Bane tried to blast Batman's head off near the end only to be blown away rather unceremoniously by the Batpod/Catwoman (he should have followed Talia's orders, kept him alive, but maybe just rough him up a bit more, to show his loyalty to her rather than flip like a switch because he wanted Bruce to "imagine the fire").

All-in-all, each Batman film has their flaws, but Batman Begins is the one that I always go back to and say "I love this film". Sure, the fight scenes are shot too closely, but the story more than makes up for it, as does the fact that the filmmakers FINALLY decided to allow audiences to explore the character of Bruce Wayne /Batman on the big-screen that hadn't been depicted before (apart from Mask of the Phantasm, which is, arguably, equally as brilliant as any of the Nolan Batman films). The action gets better as the series progresses, the story gets grander too which is why there are more flaws within them as the films progress. That's just the nature of film and humans in general, nothing will ever be clear-cut perfect like we want it to be. But, then again, that's why we have an imagination so that we can fill in the gaps (I hated how people complained that Bruce got back to Gotham in Rises after escaping the pits, it made sense because, being who he is, he would have all the resources in the world to be able to get back to Gotham; he was a League of Shadows member after all, just like Bane and Talia).

I love that Tim Burton Batman Forever poster too, I just really wish they had kept Billy Dee Williams at least (since they were keeping in cannon to the other Burton films). It's always distracting thinking back to '89 when Dent was him and now, somehow, he's changed into painfully obnoxious Tommy Lee Jones, Williams has so much more charisma than Jones that it would have been more powerful to see him suddenly become Two-Face when he seemed so level-headed in the original. And no problem, thanks for accepting the add. Have a great night/day, man.
thejon93rd
thejon93rd - 10/20/2014, 8:34 PM
@VIRILEMAN - I just found it cheesy how they did the whole mutant power classification thing, I could understand the government having access to that sort of thing but a mutant being able to read another mutant's power level? Felt like something out of a video-game to me, and how convenient that he finds the one mutant who can do this in time to let him know "hey, there's a mutant that more powerful than I've ever felt before that JUST popped up". It just seemed stupid, especially considering there must be more powerful mutants like Dark Phoenix out there, such as Apocalypse, but apparently she's the only one who can get unbelievably powerful.

Once more, it just felt like an excuse for them not to have Cyclops there. Xavier is more than a professor, he's a father-figure, a mentor, he helps people when they're at their lowest of low (case in point, he helped Wolverine further discover more about himself throughout the course of the first X-Men film). Cyclops, Jean and Storm were the founding members, shouldn't he have had more hope for Cyclops rather than just be like: "oh well, he's just depressed, I have better things to do, like hold too many secrets and be angry at Wolverine when I forgot to tell him to stay away from Jean because she's kind of insane at the moment, my bad, guys, sorry". I hated what they did with Xavier's character in The Last Stand, he's so mean-spirited, he's supposed to be this great leader to this band of misfits, but he ends up feeling tired and PO'd in this instalment for seemingly no reason at all (apart from bad writing, I can understand Patrick Stewart's frustration with that bit: "You're really killing me off in the first hour? Seriously?").

Maybe my problem with Rogue stems largely from the fact that she's not at all like her comic-book version, she was fine in the first and second films, but in this film she should have had her powers develop more, it could have made for a cool fight scene between her and Dark Phoenix too. In the comics, she can absorb people's powers, personalities, memories, etc. She's awesome in the comics, in the films, however, her powers suck. She deserved a break in this instalment and it was a mistake not to let her evolve and be able to have a physical relationship with Bobby for a change, considering that's all she really longed for.

Comic-book movie or not, one-liners get tiring FAST. Especially when they're, for the most part, grounded in reality, I wouldn't be spewing off one-liners left-and-right after watching one of my friends get blown away in a cloud of dust, I'd be terrified, I wouldn't want to say a thing and that's how I felt Wolverine should have been throughout the film. Scott was THAT exhausted with Jean's death STILL (after probably 3-4 years) and Wolverine couldn't have been like that throughout the rest of the film to feel as how Scott felt at that point (it would have been more effective, and it would have put more strength on Scott's last line to Logan: "No one heals as fast as you").

Lots of major characters have been killed in comic-book films before this one got released: Whistler in Blade, Elektra in Daredevil (even though it was hinted that she did survive by the end), Lois Lane in Superman (kind of a cheat though, since he spins back time), V in V for Vendetta, Jean Grey in X2: X-Men United, I'm sure there are others, plenty of films have killed off major characters in a twist where a supporting character would step up and take their place.

The other X-Men films weren't depressing in the sense that they both told a coherent story, this one doesn't. If anything, I get more depressed thinking about how inhuman the characters are acting throughout this film. The "funny" parts didn't work for me either, they felt very hammered in there in-order to "lighten the mood" but it definitely didn't help clear away the image of Jean killing Scott and Xavier for NO REASON other than shock-value. Seriously though, I'm done talking about X3, I hate, hate, hated the film, and they say X-Men Origins: Wolverine mistreated the characters? At least they were purposefully going for a campy, B-movie feel, I can forgive it for that, I just can't forgive X3 for being such a demeaning picture with no sense of hope or imagination, just all mayhem and carnage, it felt like a nightmare.

Good points though, man. I do not hate people who like this movie, it's just one of those movies that wasn't catered to me. I usually don't mind straight-up action films that are taken super-seriously, I loved Man of Steel and The Dark Knight trilogy of course, but X3 just felt rushed to me, it felt very cookie-cutter as if the filmmakers didn't care. The actors clearly give it their all, but the material just wasn't there IMO. It could have been such a better movie if the studio gave them more time to smooth out the edges, but Fox wanted it out FAST for obvious (financial) purposes.
thejon93rd
thejon93rd - 10/22/2014, 1:51 PM
@DrDoom - I considered putting the first instalment up but, after seeing the second one, I ended up enjoying the film even more (despite the stupid Lizard plot, turning the whole city into lizards, feeling really forced). The film has grown on me with repeat viewings, I find I'm like that with a lot of these comic-book films nowadays, they normally have a lot packed in them that sometimes it goes right through you and you can't even remember it, but I enjoyed The Amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2, I think it's right up there alongside Raimi's trilogy. If I had to rate them, I'd give The Amazing Spider-Man a 3.5/5 and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 a 4/5, I was shocked at how many people hated the film, but it does have its cheese-ball moments throughout so I can't blame anyone for not enjoying the film(s). Still, I thought they did a much better job with Peter Parker as a character than the original trilogy, in the originals, he was just a nice guy/loser with no other character traits beyond just that and the new instalments make him feel genuinely relatable by giving him a stronger love interest and more of an arc (other than I have to stop this villain like in each and every film).
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