STAR WARS: Did John Williams Give Us A Hint To Snoke's True Identity?

STAR WARS: Did John Williams Give Us A Hint To Snoke's True Identity?

Star Wars: The Force Awakens has been theaters for a week now and fans are already analyzing the film as much as they can until it's Blu-Ray release. Recently, an important piece of evidence has found its way online that may shed some light on the true identity of Supreme Leader Snoke. [POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD]

By Kr08 - Dec 25, 2015 04:12 PM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars

It's no secret that Star Wars fans who have seen Star Wars: The Force Awakens know that there are already countless theories about Rey, Kylo Ren, and even that of Luke. There is one theory in particular that has had fans buzzing since before the premiere of the film and that is the identity of Supreme Leader Snoke. The theory revolves around the idea that Snoke is in fact Emperor Palpatine aka Darth Sidious' former master, Darth Plagueis

Now, the film has been out for about a week and fans have found the most damning of evidence that could prove that Supreme Leader Snoke is in fact Darth Plagueis. The evidence itself comes from the legendary composer, John Williams. The soundtrack's score known as, "Snoke", that plays throughout Snoke's scenes is incredibly similar to the score from Revenge of the Sith soundtrack, "Palpatine's Teachings", which plays when Palpatine is telling the story of Darth Plagueis "The Wise"

Fans have compiled as much evidence as they can in order to support this theory, most likely due to the fact that Darth Plagueis, who is now officially canon because of Revenge of the Sith, is one of the most if not the most powerful Sith lord to have ever existed. Much of the evidence has to do with the similar appearances between the two and how Snoke appeared out of nowhere to take control of the Empire, now The First Order. It looks this piece of evidence from John Williams might be the key to everything. Take a listen for yourself.

They are pretty much identical. Now, one can argue that John Williams probably forgot about his Revenge of the Sith score and simply used it again or that he recycled the score intentionally. Although, a composer such as John Williams would never do something such as that. It's also known that Williams likes to leave clues in his soundtracks and this could be his and J.J. Abrams way of telling us who Snoke really is. What do you think? Do you think John Williams and J.J. Abrams are telling us that Snoke is in fact Plagueis?
 



Star Wars: The Force Awakens is now playing in theaters near you.

Thirty years after defeating the Galactic Empire, Han Solo (Harrison Ford) and his allies face a new threat from the evil Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) and his army of Stormtroopers. Starring original cast members Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, Kenny Baker and franchise newcomers, John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, Gwendoline Christie, Lupita Nyong’o and Max von Sydow.
 

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BlackPhillip
BlackPhillip - 12/25/2015, 5:27 PM
Hmmm. Sounds very similar.
JosephKing
JosephKing - 12/25/2015, 5:49 PM
It would establish this new trilogy as the ultimate fanfic, so please no.
Pasto
Pasto - 12/25/2015, 6:00 PM
Just got out of seeing this a second time, really awesome movie.
AnthonyLantern
AnthonyLantern - 12/25/2015, 6:29 PM
I hope it more of a hint that Snoke is the remaining piece of the Sith the same way Luke is the remaining piece of the Jedi. Two old dudes who are the last of their kind and Snoke wants to wipe Luke out to ultimately wipe the Jedi out and start over with the Knights of Ren. Making so that the dark side takes over. Like they said in the film, evil takes many forms and this is just Snoke's way of transferring that evil and making sure the Sith way stays alive.

If he is just straight up Darth Plagueis then that is just kinda lame and boring. Enough with the sith and enough with already established characters. Finn, Rey and Kylo Ren proved its cool to do new things. Lets keep that going
DeusExSponge
DeusExSponge - 12/25/2015, 9:58 PM
I actually wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be true. Would be a nice way to connect the sequel trilogy to the prequel trilogy.
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 12/25/2015, 10:14 PM
"What's wrong with Snoke just being a new character who is strong in the Dark Side of the Force?"

The part where he clearly knows the teachings of the Dark Side of the Force...Which is impossible to know unless you are a Sith or were taught by one...
Kr08
Kr08 - 12/25/2015, 10:41 PM
@DrDoom That's the thing, the prequels created such an amazing background with the Jedi and Sith. The Sith in the movies will never die as long as one lives and the same with the Jedi. Darth Bane, who is also now canon, thanks to the Clone Wars, created the Rule of Two. The rule states that there can never be more than two Sith lords at once, the master with all the power and the apprentice who craves the power.

If Palpatine and Vader both died on the exact same night. Then how does Snoke come in, knowing the complete teachings of the Sith/dark side?

@AnthonyLantern The Sith are essential to the Star Wars universe. 1000 years ago they were simply an army of Sith lords. Then it was just one, Darth Bane. Then it was two Sith lords at a time, hiding in the shadows, planning the destruction of the Jedi, making their moves. Then it was Plagueis and Palpatine, then just Palpatine alone. He converted the Republic into the Empire and then it became the First Order.

It doesn't matter what entity is in control, what name they use, because in the end there will always be a Sith lord controlling everything.
AC1
AC1 - 12/26/2015, 4:46 AM
Snoke doesn't need to be Plagueis in order to be a Sith, in fact he doesn't really need to be connected to the Emperor or Vader at all. It's been established in the EU that the Sith recorded their history and teachings in holocrons just as the Jedi did, and while Darth Bane did implement the Rule of Two, it was often ignored or worked around by whoever the Sith Master was at the time having other, unofficial apprentices waiting in the wings (I'm sure they even explain that Dooku was one such apprentice prior to Darth Maul's death, ready to replace him) while official Sith Apprentices often took on their own secret apprentices as they prepared to overthrow their master (e.g. Dooku and Ventress, Vader and Starkiller, etc.)

So Snoke could be one such individual, either a secret apprentice of another Sith, or simply an individual who taught himself the Dark Side through Sith archives. Also, it's worth noting that the Sith aren't the only practitioners of the Dark Side; there are Dark Jedi and sorcerers including the Nightsisters.

Of course, the EU is now non-canon, but JJ and co. did say they'd borrow from it if it suited their narrative goals, so while these specific details may now be untrue within the framework of the Star Wars universe, the ideas behind them could indeed be relevant.
RamonSuarez
RamonSuarez - 12/26/2015, 7:35 AM
Making Snoke Darth Plagieus is one of the few aspects of The Forces Awakens that I actually liked. Its a terrific way of tying in the current trilogy with the prequel and giving context to Palpatine's rise. It always bugged me that Plagieus was supposed to be this masterful manipulator of life and death who couldn't plan for his eventual betrayal at the hands of his apprentice. Him feigning death while allowing Darth Sidious to do the dirty work of implementing the Sith Imperative is a cool idea.
Darth258
Darth258 - 12/26/2015, 8:23 AM
@Jojuliz88

Sidious killed him in his sleep with the lightnings.

And later after the fight with Windu Palpatine says to Anakin,
"To cheat death is a power only one has achieved."

So it isn't unlikely Plagueis found a way to either reincarnate or come back in some way.
Jaspion
Jaspion - 12/26/2015, 9:13 AM
tadrob
tadrob - 12/26/2015, 10:26 AM
How about this Snoke is just a "Mask" for dead-ite Luke, create when Ash read from the Necronomicon in the original Evil Dead creating a larger universe for fan boys to get pissed over the continuity.
Darktower
Darktower - 12/26/2015, 10:41 AM
Darth258
Darth258 - 12/26/2015, 12:08 PM
@SebsCso54

The sad part about it is that the EU was completely taken and put on a side once Disney/Marvel took over, so now it's just "Legends"..
So whatever was canon for us before most likely isn't now.

That's why we have poor man's Jacen Solo running around now.
Darth258
Darth258 - 12/26/2015, 12:11 PM
Unless you mean the current Marvel Star Wars comics, which i still have to pick up. Is there anything enlightening about the plot there?
FrankieDedo
FrankieDedo - 12/26/2015, 1:09 PM
@SebsCso54
So true.


@Darth258
Actually, the Legends continuity has been put aside, but they are taking something here and there for example SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER Kylo Ren's real name, it's actually his cousin's name in the comics, Ben Skywalker also, look for Jacen (and Re...Jaina) Solo, and tell me they didn't took anything from it ;)
Darth258
Darth258 - 12/26/2015, 2:03 PM
@FrankieDedo

"Taking here and there" as JJ took here and there the original trilogy's plot?

Also you probably missed my joke about "poor man's Jacen Solo", i actually meant Kylo.

I am a big fan of the EU. And shredding and dumping the EU just for the sake of make distorted copycats of those characters does feel like a major lack of immagination.

Unless you were being sarcastic of course.
Darth258
Darth258 - 12/26/2015, 2:15 PM
Darth Caedus is rolling in the void where Disney put him right now, while we have Whiny Ren in his place.
Darth258
Darth258 - 12/26/2015, 2:45 PM
@SebsCso54

I don't think so. I'm looking for anything official but when i was looking for informations on Darth Bane, since i saw him in one of the last episodes of Clone Wars, all informations about him on the Wookiepedia were under Legends.
So were the KotOR pages.

Anything that isn't the movies, Clone Wars, Rebels or the Marvel Star Wars comics is Legends. Those are the only three things in the actual canon. And you've no idea how much i hate being right about this.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Legends
Darth258
Darth258 - 12/26/2015, 2:59 PM
I just realized Darth Maul is still alive and kicking since he was never killed in Clone Wars... Woot!

Hope he ends up in that Anthology movie they are planning with Obi-Wan.
Darth258
Darth258 - 12/26/2015, 5:07 PM
@GliderMan

In Clone Wars Maul returned with the metal legs, in his last episode he had a fight with Sidious that kills Savage Opress, Maul's brother, and defeats Maul, after tortuting him with the force lightning he takes him captive and says he has "other uses" for him.
Might just mean he will just appear in Rebels though, since all the Inquisitors have a double-bladed lightsaber he might be the one training them..

StrangerX
StrangerX - 12/26/2015, 9:40 PM
Sidious killed him in his sleep before he learned howto make himself immortal. Also Snoke doesn't look like a Bith.
FrankieDedo
FrankieDedo - 12/27/2015, 2:00 AM
@Darth258

LOL sorry, i COMPLETELY missed it :D
Cancel what i've said, it's meaningless now.

Anyhow, as a EU fan, i only can understand the tearing of it, i mean: just the dark horse comics from the 90's were bearable (Thrawn, Dark Empire, Shadow of the Empire, etc.) all of the other stuff were nonetheless, rubbish, in my opinion.
And sadly, because the age of the actors, the good stuff from the EU took place around the time setting of Ep7... so it had to be done, also, Lucas himself never gave a shit about the post 90's EU, and very little of what have done before.

The author of Dark Empire (can't remember the name as of now) said 20 years ago, that if Lucas would have done a trilogy after Ep6, it would have destroyed all of his stories and more generically, all conflicting EU stories. Then, it's sad for me, but it was written already! :/
StrangerX
StrangerX - 12/27/2015, 8:38 AM
@ charlie- After reading Darth Plagueis by Luceno which last I checked was canon. A Muun looks nothing like Snoke. The head shape is all wrong. Also the novel goes into great detail when Palpatine sat and waited until Plagueis was in fact dead.

Snoke doesnt come off as a Sith mainly because he has to portray himself as a larger imposing figure to Kylo. A true Sith wouldnt need these type of antics tp show true power. My honest opinion Snoke is a collector.of Sith artifacts who may have come in contact w Sith artifacts such Vaders helmet, and has found a way to manipulate Kylo into believing he can become a Sith like Vader used to be.

However if Snoke is a Sith and is training Kylo in the force. The only Sith Icould think of would be Palpatine since he was mastering the ways of essence transfer.
BestAtWhatIDo
BestAtWhatIDo - 12/27/2015, 12:22 PM
@StrangerX In the novel "Darth Plagueis", he's a Muun. Snoke doesn't really look like a Muun, but this novel is no longer canon, so Plagueis could really look like anything - all canonical info about him is given in Revenge of the Sith.
Darth258
Darth258 - 12/28/2015, 3:32 AM
@GliderMan

Because not evryone that uses the force is a Sith or Jedi, those are just titles for whom belongs to those orders.
The Sith, after Darth Bane, is just one master and one apprentice.
And since it's Kylo Ren and not Darth Ren, or Darth Kylo or whatever he is not a sith.

One can use the light side or the dark side, might he be trained or not, and not be either.

Like Asajj Ventress, she was never a Sith, but was trained to wield the dark side of the force and the lightsabers.

The term is either Dark Jedi if one was a Jedi turned to the dark side or simply a dark side user.
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