Why Watchmen is a Failure

I thought that headline might get your attention ;)
I'm sure by now that everyone has read the flood of reviews for Watchmen. Or by now, you may have seen it two, or three times. However, there is still something I want to say about this film.

Watchmen is a failure as a movie.

Just as Watchmen is a failure as a comic book.

To called Watchmen a movie, is like calling this a review. It is a misnomer. It is really an experience.

If I were to compare Watchmen to a cinemagraphic work, Watchmen falls short. There are no "groundbreaking" shots. I would even go as far as to say much of the camera technique would be boring. But I have never had any movie make me feel the way Watchmen did. It is something different. Unfortunatly, there is no way I can truly make you understand what this film did to me. This best way I can put it, is this:

It is July 8th, 2008. My friend, my wife and I are watching the movie screen grow dark as the trailers begin before the Dark Knight. I sit in awe as I realize what I am seeing is the culmination of a lifetime of fandom. The Watchmen movie is coming, and I think to myself, "The world is not ready for this movie." The excitment overwhelms me just the same and I look with shock at my wife. She smiles and hugs my arm. She is happy for me, but she does not understand.

It is March 5th, 2009. My wife just finished reading Watchmen for the first time. I probe her mind, her opinions, her philosophies. She half-heartedly smiles and says she liked the book, but it was overall dry for her, and she really doesn't see the need in reading it again. I explain to her that it is OK, I can't expect everyone to like it. After all many of the ideals expressed, while being around for centuries, can still be considered revolutionary. She does not understand.

It is March 6th, 2009. My wife and I walk out into the daylight. It is mid day. We just watched the first showing our theatre had of the movie that I so excitedly anticipated since that day in July. Our eyes blink the tears away, but these tears are not from the sudden dark theatre to day's light. These are the tears of an experience. I look down at my wife's beautiful face, red from crying. Her eyes irritated from emotion. She smiles. She understands.

For the last 16 hours, we have done nothing but discuss, talk, debate, and share everything we have taken away from the graphic novel and from the film. She wants to read it again, and here I am, after reading dozens of times in nearly the last ten years, and I don't think I will ever be able to pick it up again. It may be to emotional for me now.

The sad thing is, is that the best we can catorgorize Watchmen as, is a film adaptation. But honestly, it fails as that. It is really, a completion of a journey. An adaptation is meant to bring one work, to a new medium. But what Zack Snyder (and his crew) has done is make the film medium PART OF the Watchmen experience. At this point, to try to compare the film to the graphic novel is like trying to compare two pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. Sure one piece may have a prettier color, or have a more appealing shape. But in the end, you need them both to complete the picture.

If the graphic novel was meant to make me think, then the film was meant to make me feel.

Alan Moore has said that he believes all the movie industry does is feed us worms. In the end, he will most likely say this film is just more worms. But they are the best tasting worms I have EVER had, and I cannot wait for a second helping.

If I had to absolutley compare the film to the graphic novel, I believe it would be blasphemous to what it really is. I will say, there is the same irony, the same little "wow" moments, the same cynisism. It is captured beautifully, some scenes may be better than the novel.

As a film, the music is amazing. The placment of the peices range from everything from ironic to romantic. And I know there has been much debate about the song at the credits, but I think it is an excellent statement. When Desolation Row was originally written, it was a poetic statement of the times. It was performed by an artist who could argueably be considered a figurehead that culture. The song was an expression of the irony and abstraction in the world, and here, at the end of this film, we have that same song expressing an alternate time, but the same society. However now it is being performed by a band that reflects our culture now. You do not have to be a fan of My Chemical Romance (lord knows I'm not), Bob Dylan, or Desolation Row, but placing that song at the end is a stamp, a signature. No, not everyone will understand Watchmen as we do, but it is ours, and as much as we would love to see the world take what we take from it, we can still be proud of what it means to us.

Thanks for reading guys,
-FalconX2
47 Yes
61 No
J. "Falcon" Ayers
3/7/2009

61 Comments

too unnecessarily deep and emotional, Watchmen was a good film, people need to stop comparing it to the graphic novel. wait for the three and a half hour director's cut on DVD and Blu-ray in July.
theguywhomayknow - 3/7/2009, 6:20 AM
Cool review, i agree completely
RorMachine - 3/7/2009, 6:47 AM
i'm actually going to see it tonight. But what you just said makes me all that more excited. good to know someone has the balls to actually write that down and throw it on here. i applaud you.
joslezio85 - 3/7/2009, 2:36 PM
best review yet.
CRUSH - 3/7/2009, 2:37 PM
Curious....you put this much thought into a movie review for a ultra geek website and yet were surprised by the fact a trailer was w/ Dark Knight?

Anyway, grab a towel, you gotta like Moore on you still.


DrFever - 3/7/2009, 2:58 PM
@theguywhomayknow

I'm not one to whore out my fansite but I actually did an article about the director's cut coming to the big screen. It will be released in theaters in July and will be over 3 hours long. The DVD and blu-ray "ultimate" edition will be out sometime in the fall and will contain even more footage plus the 'Tales of the Black Freighter' interwoven with the movie.

You can check out the article here:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/AllThingsNerd/news/?a=6355

and jump over to MTV.com for the full interview with Snyder.

@everyone

I saw the movie last night and I have to say there really is no way to classify this movie. I think the thing that sticks out in my mind is the eerie silence in the theater when the actual movie started. You could here a pin drop in that place because everybody was just so tuned in and the movie had been only playing for 5 seconds. That spoke volumes as to how much this story means to so many people.

I'd have to agree with FalconX2 in the idea that this wasn't a movie, it was an event. And as far as events go, it was one of the best. Could it have been better? I'm sure it could have been because nothing is perfect. But I do think this was as close to getting the story on the screen as could have been done without making a 10 hour movie.

alten2345 - 3/7/2009, 2:59 PM
...Ok not an easy review, you change your opion way to many times, you dislike it in the headline then you liked them seperately or something along those lines...either way i like you reviews, the novel and THEN the movie, i loved this, you can usually see the amazing effect a movie has on you if it flies by, this movie felt short even though it was one of the longest i've seen, in MY PERSONAL opinion i guess did like your review, nice comparison piece.
DarkJester - 3/7/2009, 3:00 PM
Am very sorry to say, I was really really disappointing with this film. at the end I just want to cry...All this time waiting and waiting for noting...very sad day for me and my friends :(
MrHand - 3/7/2009, 3:05 PM
Should have stuck with why watchmen was a failure. Not necessarily a failure, but another fish in a mediocre sea of comicbook movies. There was no glue holding this film together.

Speed Racer is a better film than TDK, Watchmen, and yes, Iron man. And im not even a fan of speed racer.
Betty - 3/7/2009, 3:40 PM
I think this is a honest review.
For months I have been building in excitement to see this film, I rushed out to see the noon showing with child like glee (this was overcharged by the Wolverine and Star Trek trailers [and I'm not even really a Trekie]).
As I sat there absorbing the movie anticipating what would happen next, my friend who is an older guy, I could see was struggling trying to absorb the information and trying to piece it together.
As I keep peering over at him I could see, even an hour into it he had no idea what was transpiring. Sadly for him I think the most exciting part was the steamy scene in the Owl ship. (Silk Spectre, whoa)
While I walked away relieved to have seen it come out so well visually, I still did not think the end was the greatest. And i felt some how empty and uncompleted.
I spent the next half hour trying to clear things up for him. I had to tell him the characters names, the one thing they could have emphasized better, and what the purpose was.
This I agree is the reason it will not do well, it is too much of a Deep-rooted comic fan movie. Unless someone just feels he must go back and see it many times to patch it together,ala Sixth Sense, which will most likely not happen, this movie will fade into Comic movie glory un-noticed, but praised by the faithful.
dantbadger - 3/7/2009, 3:50 PM
Betty - Are you just saying that to get a rise out of us?
TheAnswer - 3/7/2009, 3:54 PM
yes he is...don't play his game
davidzuck - 3/7/2009, 4:11 PM
Oh Betty..Betty Betty;)

dantbadger i dont mean any disrespect but was the older gentleman you saw this with mentally challenged in some way? Because my 14 year old neice (yeah i know she shouldnt have seen it, what can i do i aint her daddy!) had no trouble understanding it at all
RorMachine - 3/7/2009, 4:17 PM
@DrFever:

"Curious....you put this much thought into a movie review for a ultra geek website and yet were surprised by the fact a trailer was w/ Dark Knight?"

Surprise more for the fact that the movie was coming. When I heard it was in production, which was like a year prior to TDK, I just shrugged it off. It's supposed to be unfilmable right?

"Anyway, grab a towel, you gotta like Moore on you still."

Hahaha, I know right? :)


@DarkJester:

"...Ok not an easy review, you change your opion way to many times, you dislike it in the headline then you liked them seperately or something along those lines..."

I know... I get too... Complex at times, some ppl just find it best to ignore me. Saves them a headache. ;) I'm not the best at expressing myself in a cognizant way sometimes.

Thx for the props though!


@Rorschach01 CRUSH joslezio85 and dantbadger:

Thanks guys! *thumbs up*
Means a lot!


@MrHand:

It takes all kinds to move the world. The film just didn't have what you were looking forward to. It's always disappointing when that happens to a fan.

I know it may seem like a long ways off. But watch it again in 10 years, you might be surprised how much your perception changes.


@theguywhomayknow:

"Watchmen was a good film, people need to stop comparing it to the graphic novel."

I agree completely to this point. Personally, I think it should be considered an addendum to the graphic novel, rather than an adaptation.


@alten2345:

"But I do think this was as close to getting the story on the screen as could have been done without making a 10 hour movie."

I know right? Although, when it is out on DVD, I'm not entirely sure I wouldn't mind a 10 hr film.
J. "Falcon" Ayers - 3/7/2009, 4:19 PM
I'm not really a fan of watchmen but I was kinda disappointed and expected more, good thing I got two movie money and didn't pay the full price.
SubyWagon23 - 3/7/2009, 4:22 PM
i really don't see why people disliked this film so much
im not sure if people are purists but fact is we were given a good adaption
and if your complaints are things being taken out then hopefully the dvd will fufil you
besides some bad song choices and harold and kumars silk spectar the film was great
azurekakashi - 3/7/2009, 5:46 PM
Betty...dont make me come over there
BOOK552 - 3/7/2009, 6:01 PM
No, im not just trying to get a rise. I know how you guys feel about speed racer. Its just, looking back over all the recent ones i've seen, as a story and a film in itself, it is the only one that is better than just good. Im not for playing games, im up for discussion. Ledger's performance alone doesnt carry TDK. He nailed it so well i wish it could make TDK a great film. But it didnt. it was only, ok.

Betty - 3/7/2009, 6:16 PM
Let me preface by saying that I've yet to read the comics. Much like this review, I didn't find Watchmen hard to follow or understand at all. If somebody finds it difficult to understand the meaning (hidden or otherwise) of this article or the film, I don't really think they should be seeing, let alone commenting on, anything deeper than a grade B slasher or romantic comedy. The movie wasn't hard to follow even though there were numerous flashback sequences. The sequences were well placed, and elaborated on the current events of the movie. I'm not sure if the comic books did the same thing or if they just did everything chronologically, but it definitely worked well for the film.

I walked out of the theater at 3 in the morning feeling as though I'd definitely gotten my money's worth. I was saddened by the movie because that was the emotion the movie invoked, not because it was a poorly made film. It all seemed to fit for me.

I think some of the main reasons people would review the film poorly would be...

1. They have an aversion to comic adaptations in general, in which case they'd pan it regardless of its worth.

2. They need plots spelled out for them phonetically like a Disney film.

3. They always play the devil's advocate just to piss people off.

Just some thoughts.
Nice post, FalconX2.
AltRockFan - 3/7/2009, 7:03 PM
Dont get me wrong betty, i didnt think Speed Racer was the worst movie ever made or anything, actually there were parts i enjoyed. I just think comparing it to those movies you mentioned just seems like madness. I mean obviously everybody has different tastes, but by any critical standpoints it just doesnt hold up to them...maybe on special effects (and even thats debateable) But the performances, plot, script, direction, pacing..is all of a higher caliber in TDK, Iron man and Watchmen. Course thats just imho, but id bwe interested to hear your arguments to the contrary at the same time!
RorMachine - 3/7/2009, 7:44 PM
I would like to clarify something about what I had said. When I say Watchmen was a failure, I actually meant it. It wasn't some sort of attention getting irony. My point is, if you take the 1985 concept of comics and tried to apply it to the graphic novel, then the novel is a failure. It doesn't have an adhesive plot, it's difficult to pinpoint the "hero" and any sense of a villain is skewed. But that is why we love it. To often failure is considered a bad thing. In this case, it was revolutionary. I think this film is the same. Essentially, we can say that a film adaptation of Watchmen is impossible, but what we got may have been even better, we got an amazing experience.

The whole time we waited for the adaptation for a graphic novel, what we may not have realized (or I didn't at the time), was that over the years Watchmen has changed from the revolutionary graphic novel to an entire experience. The film added to that, and it was awesome!

Again, a huge thanks to everyone who took the time to read my review (for better or worse ;)).
J. "Falcon" Ayers - 3/7/2009, 8:24 PM
I was crying too... Haven't seen that much blue penis since I watched the Smurfs on Acid.
pugsley - 3/7/2009, 8:44 PM
Speed racer was a horrible movie. Not even memorable at all.
NiteowlIII - 3/7/2009, 9:01 PM
Ugh, Ive tried writting this so many times,

OK, when i think about the characters themselves, watchmen, tdk, iron man are all way cooler than speed racer. Hands down. I think its just that i can identify with the story in speed racer more than the other recent comicbook movies. As campy and borderline cartoony as it is, the story and acting are alot more believable than most.


Betty - 3/7/2009, 9:07 PM
The movie was good.. not great.. No need to make long drawn out novels to give an opinion about this movie.. Too many people in here and abroad look for too much from comicbook movies/graphic novels.. If the movie bored you fine.. If it kept you watching and wanting more fine.. To say that this movie was a failure is a stretch.. Someone used words like "campy & cartoony".. Well again comicbooks are campy & cartoony.. DOH! If you live in the real world then try to distinguish between what comicbook movies are and what they're not.. When l goto a movie l want to be "entertained".. I'm not looking to see any mystical, personal self-identifying, BS.. I'm looking to experience some visual,audio, SFX in the thearter.. Amaze me if possible.. On certain levels this film did slightly amaze me.. I liked the Rorschach character alot.. too bad.. nevermind (I don't wanna give anything away).. And one last thing.. Unless a movie is 5 hours long... you're not going to be able to get everything that a gothic novel or even a whole comicbook story provides..
SUPASEGO - 3/7/2009, 10:09 PM
Oh yeah.. BTW Speedracer sucked sucked sucked..
SUPASEGO - 3/7/2009, 10:10 PM
well just want to say i got back tonight went to a 7:15 showing and im blown away. Evreything was amazeing the seance with dr manhattan was mezmeriseing. The ending kept me right there and the music wow!!! And i never red the comic i heard of them im so pissed i missed out on an amazeing comic. I was really transported into the movie i thought i woulden't cause i never read the comics. The way it ended man i have to see the comic.

And i can see how people diden't get it I mean the movie i was in people diden't get it cause there not comic fans or they never read the comic. Like the friends i saw it with diden't get it at all and said it sucked, they saw the violence and was turned off by it. But then they'll go see the last house on the left and friday the 13th oh and saw!!! but Watchmen they draw the line.

anyway i want to say im an ass hole for not getting this comic and im no comic fan cause i skipt out on and amazeing comic.
Logan-X - 3/7/2009, 11:05 PM
Some have expressed emptiness or a sadness about the ending. I did get it. Take your mind from the comic and try to relate to the story with modern themes. The loss you feel is the same as 9/11/01. A great disaster happen in NY that brought the nations together under a common cause. This is the metaphor that Snyder wanted to express. This is what links this story from our past to issues of today. Its quite common in films and comics to link such relvance.

There are some wonderful moments in this journey and look forward to seeing it again.
JYCowboy - 3/8/2009, 12:36 AM
Just saw the film. Very impressed. I actually liked it.
SuperFlyinPwrs - 3/8/2009, 1:04 AM
i just saw it last friday and i was completely blown away, every trailer i had seen of watchmen made me (almost) drool and i said to my girlfriend WE HAVE TO GO SEE IT!!! and she really deeple hates comicbooks-_- but she respects me loving them. and when we walked out of the cinema she was like LET'S GO SEE IT AGAIN!!!!
so the next day we went again hahaha:P and i bought her the comic for her birthday:)ow yea and i havent even seen speedracer but from the trailers and images i could already make out it was gonna suck i thought it would be alot like the thunderbirds movie(the real life one):P sorry
SPOTFACE - 3/8/2009, 1:38 AM
I saw the film at midnight of march 6th and i loved the crap out of it. Don't get me wrong, i had problems with some of the changes that were made to make it more "film-able" but i was still happy with at least the fact that there was a movie for the watchmen which i have been waiting for since i was 8 (when i first read watchmen, im 21 now). But to say that the watchmen movie made you fell like you would never want to read it again is just ridiculous, that should have made you want to read it even more if you were so disappointed with the movie, just so that you could remember it for what it truly is...a masterpiece. besides from me wanting to read it again after i watched the film (which i already have) i can tell you that there is one scene which i knew would win me over...and that is the scene in which rorschach gets killed by dr. manhattan. I remember reading watchmen for the very first time and not having any idea what was going on (because i was 8) and getting to those panels and finally realizing what truly happened (in terms of the story). And that scene in the movie did it for me, i was actually sad to see him die, and it brought back all those same feelings that i had when i first read it when i was 8. I dont care if watchmen had no revolutionary camera angles of filming techniques, thats not what it was about...it was about finally getting a movie out there that was watchmen. And you dont lie when to anyone when you walked out of that movie theatre thinking about all the changes made to the film because you've read it so many times...because i felt the same way. All i can say is that a year ago we didnt even have a movie based on it, now we do. Obvously it wasn't going to live up to the real thing but at least its something...so dont act like its ruined the whole thing for you...because thats just ridiculous. I bet within a year you'll be reading it agian, if that.
red5 - 3/8/2009, 3:06 AM
and as far as betty goes...how can you relate to speed racer unless you are a race car driver for your family's own race car company with an older brother that used to race and has since "died" in one of those races. You are an idiot.
red5 - 3/8/2009, 3:15 AM
I think people should forget to compare the movie with the comic. They are different things. What if we read all the novels the studios use to base their movies?? I think no one did it or will do.
Icaro - 3/8/2009, 10:07 AM
I disagree with him, because it was the closest comic to movie adaptation i've ever seen. Of course they would leave out a bunch of things, but the things they left out were OK to leave out. Silk Spectre doesn't NEED to smoke. They squid was OK to leave out because it brought a more likely twist to the story. I think it was the best COMIC book movie so far.
AmberButane - 3/8/2009, 11:10 AM
The film was just like the book. I am not the biggest fan because not much really happened. Once is enough for me. The motion comic is a good buy though.
DarkAvengers - 3/8/2009, 11:22 AM
The Watchmen movie was a fantastic adaptation from the comic book. Snyder painfully, and lovingly, adhered to the theme that Moore and Gibbons created 20 years ago.

FalconX2, even though you go on to say that it is “a completion of a journey …[and] PART OF the Watchmen experience,” and that the film “failed” in it’s adaptation, I beg to differ in stating that the film was an ultimate success in it's adaptation. It succeeded just as Peter Jackson’s translation of LOTR succeeded. The commitment and attention to detail and strict adherence to the plot and imagery in the comic is unlike no other comic-to-film ever seen, except for what we saw in Robert Rodriguez’s Sin City.

I cannot stop thinking about this movie and how accurate and dead on target it was in honoring the works of Moore. Everything about this movie was taken STRAIGHT from the comic. Even though the scene with the newspaper stand and the kid reading the Black Freighter comic had no more than a couple seconds on screen, you will notice that Snyder duplicated virtually everything from the comic, down to the patch on the kid’s left knee and the green sweater worn by the street vendor with the left-over-right lapel. http://www.superherostuff.com/superhero-movies/images/watchmen-newsstand.html (Notice who is in the foreground of the movie pic.)

This is truly a movie that can only be fully appreciated by those who have read, and reread, the work that Moore and Gibbons gave birth to so many years ago. Each time you read Watchmen, you learn a little more about the story that you hadn’t known before. I cannot WAIT to see this movie again and to buy the extended version dvd with the extra hour and a half.

I loved this movie.

SuperHeroStuffdotCom - 3/8/2009, 11:26 AM
betty u suck just like that shity movie speed racer.
sorry but that movie did suck pretty bad.
spanky - 3/8/2009, 1:02 PM
@ SUPASEGO
People expect more from comic book movies because there is no reason why they cant be expected to be held to the same standards as movies with original scripts or other film genres.

I only read the first issue of Watchmen a day before it screened at the movies, I'll read the rest later as I find that better, anyways I had no problem with the movie, it was good.

The main reason why I think people may hold the movie up to the novel is because Snyder basically uses the comic for story boards, so as you watch it you reference the book, unlike Batman Begins where it was general ideas from Year One.

I'm a bit dissapointed though because I expected more from Snyder because of 300 and in parts he used that slo-mo of his too much.
breakUbatman - 3/8/2009, 1:35 PM
I know how he feels with this review, I haven't seen Watchmen yet, but some movies just 'get' you like that.
SenorLar - 3/8/2009, 1:57 PM
This movie is no more a failure than Dark Knight was. Blast me, Flame me, i don't care.
Watchmen was a movie that lead to something, Dark Knight was a "plot revealed within the first 5 minutes.
As a movie The Watchmen was not meant to be an Oscar winning Juggernaut that Titanic was or whatever you think to compare it to. Simply put it was a great novel made into a great film.
Snyder did exactly what everyone wanted, he kept the movie true to the book, almost page for page and word for word in some scenes.
This film is refreshing in the sense of a director and producer and writer putting this film together with the idea that it was a prefect story to begin with and didn't need a new location, character or dialogue the characters would never use. See the first "Hulk" and the first 2 "Punisher" disasters for reference. What he did was make this movie one for the comic lovers, not the pseudo-intillectual movie critic with his head so far up his ass or the typical person on the street who has no clue about this movie, what Snyder did was make this a film for the fans, a tribute to a wonderful story and a wonderful collection of fans.
darkcrow - 3/8/2009, 2:24 PM
Amazing how many pseudo-intellectuals there are out there, masturbating themselves with opinions of their own damn opinions. That review was the result of a raging ego, and that the reviewer feels the need to come back over and over and thank everyone that helped him jerk himself off is testament to the notion. That a review of how Watchmen is all a part of us just as we are all a part of it is absurd at best.

I hate to continue this but here you are...

First, Snyder could give a shit about any of you or Watchmen. He stayed true to the book only in that he knew it would draw millions of people who were fans of it to see it. He stated that the original draft of the script was ridiculous and no one would come to see it. His sole responsibility... (key word here) RESPONSIBILITY ...is to the shareholders of the movie studio. To bring them a return on their investment. That's it. Sure he wants to entertain you, but not as much as he wants to get paid. If he ever wants to work in this industry in the future, he had better bring in the bucks. That really is the long and short of it

Second, don't deify the book. Alan Moore doesn't, either should you. It's a work of art that tells a story that has been here for centuries. Christ, even Spock said "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"...there's your plot motivator. Moore has stated many time he doesn't like his stories being made into movies simply for the same reasons you can't turn the Mona Lisa into an audio book. The story was produced on that particular medium (comic) and meant to stay that way. On a sub-level, there are too many things that though small, simply will not make it into the film, and thus creates a problem; Alan Moore doesn't write redundantly. You leave out one thing, you miss something important. This held true for the film. There was not only PLENTY left out due to time constraints, but entire lines were switched from person to person. It was close, but ultimately, the book remains unmolested. The film is it's own work, not an adaption, nor anywhere near it. No more than Troy was a film adaption of Homer's The Iliad, which you would only know after reading it. Watchmen is more like...a re-telling that follows the book. If you saw the end, you know. Re-telling.

Third, while I liked the picture, I still came away disappointed, and I've been a fan of the book since they came out in comic form. I don't like Snyder as a director, and I happen to have the presence of mind to know going in and coming out of a theater that it's JUST A MOVIE, and whatever message you derive from it is one you feel in your own mind derived from your interpretations of what you saw and heard, translated to thought. If you came out of the theater crying, it's not because you "get it" and others don't (so pompous), it's because you internalized some sense of importance on your interpretations of it and adjudicated emotion to it. You even said so yourself, after your wife read it the first time, she liked it but found it dry, she just didn't "get it". Actually she probably did, it's not that hard a concept to get, she simply didn't place the level of imagined importance as you on it, nor did she relate it to anything that might pertain to "real world" unless she was in her early 20's in the 80's as I was (and I still don't do that, as there was no real threat of nuclear war back then the way it's portrayed in Watchmen). If she cried walking out of the theater, it's probably because everyone that saw Rorschach atomized felt a sense of loss, as you come to like him for all his flaws in the film. Seeing someone for real up on the screen gives you a perceived interaction that makes it more real, so when you see him destroyed, it feels more real to you than it did when you saw it in the book. Bet neither of you cried when you saw him killed in the novel!

Anyway, that's my two-cents.

And by the way, if you really need to know why both the book and movie are flawed, simply ask yourself why Dr. Manhattan didn't kill Veidt (or anyone else for that matter) at the end of either. It was well earned and Veidt could have put his money in trust towards reparations and still have been punished by Manhattan. After all, Dr. Manhattan has killed a lot more for a lot less, and what better way to ensure the secret is kept than by killing everyone there and leaving for ever? Just an observation.
gtrman - 3/8/2009, 3:40 PM
@gtrman

Two cents? That was more like 2 dollars. All I have to say is I find it ironic that you called this review "a result of raging ego" and then proceed to place yourself firmly on the pulpit to explain how everybody's opinion is wrong, specifically the author of this review, based on the parameters you established in regards to a fans view of Zack Snyder, the deification of 'Watchmen' as a concept, etc.

While I agree with most of what you said, it doesn't make you, or I for that matter, right. And your opinion, or argument if you like, is cheapened by the fact that you felt the need to debase somebody to explain your point of view.

Alas, ultimately that is what the internet is for so have at it:)


alten2345 - 3/8/2009, 5:17 PM
Alten2345

To start with, I called his post the product of a raging ego not simply because he posted. Don't over-simplify what I wrote. It's a combination of his condescending "only I get it" attitude and his trolling back to take bows to the people that applauded his opinions. I also didn't mention "everyone", just the reviewer. And yeah, I posted a lengthy statement because my need to express myself was about as tremendous as my level of disgust, not just at what I had read up above, but what I had been reading for the weeks leading up to the movie.

As far as the deification goes, I would gather to say that if you call a movie not a movie, but rather, an "experience" (like a religious one) and to compare the film to the novel "blasphemous" and to say things like "Not everyone will take from the film what WE take from it", you get a particular level of arrogance that frankly left me with a little hot sick in my mouth.

Also, the intent of the post wasn't to debase anyone. I simply found the level of condescension in the review too much to not point it out. It wasn't so much a review as it was an editorial. Particularly if you are going to mark the specific dates you had epiphanies of realization or emotion like "March 6, 2009 me and my wife cried...She smiles. She understands". What, a comic book? It's like reading a novella. Do you understand what that sounds like? Like my stupid wife finally gets something I am intelligent enough to have gotten the first time. That's what it sounds like. His wife should smack him.

Incidentally, though I don't agree with the opinions contained therein, I still respect the man's right to say it. I never said he should shut up or F-off. He has as much right to speak his mind as I or you. I also never said he was wrong and I was right, simply egotistical. I may also be as well, that I came back to respond to this. However, if you post, you make your inward thoughts outward, and therefore, subject to public ridicule. I expect it as much as you or anyone else should. Such is the nature of public speaking.
gtrman - 3/8/2009, 6:33 PM
WETHER YOUR A COMIC NERD OR A ANYBODY..ITS A MOVIE,ITS OPINIONS..ITS FILM.TEAR IT DOWN OR RAISE IT UP, MAKE A STINK ABOUT IT OR NOT..I LIKED IT..NUFF SAID
GUNSMITH - 3/8/2009, 7:12 PM
I think I share some others sentiment when I say it fell short for me. I really liked the visuals and there were so many parts of the movie ripped right from the comic but as a movie it wasn't that great. The character development was rushed leaving audience members not familiar with the book disconnected and there was just not enough time to explore the plot to the fullest. When three hours feels rushed you know something is wrong.

I really think this movie would have been better served by splitting it in half. It's an epic piece of literature and can't be viewed in one sitting. Watchmen in one is like LOTR in one it's just not possible to do it justice.
thwhtGuardian - 3/8/2009, 7:45 PM
wow, i sorta blacked out about half way threw all that
deaditeminion - 3/8/2009, 11:28 PM
Honestly. I kinda wished it was less like the graphic novel. Because frankly, it was WAY too detailed. And then the ending pissed me off. So really, either perfect, or not close. Wanted was a good movie, and was hardly anything like the novel. So yeah.
Jib7z - 3/9/2009, 1:40 AM
I enjoyed the Watchmen. I went with a group of people and we all enjoyed it. Seeing Malin Akerman in the buff was a bonus.

We all can find areas in the movie that we didn't like. This movie would be longer if 'Tales of the Black Freighter' was added to this movie. I knew this movie couldn't be adapted panel to panel. So, I came in with low expectations and left satisfied.

@ FlaconX2 - Great job on the review. High 5.
SirPrize - 3/9/2009, 7:35 AM
again fotc i agree the sex sences wernt really needed. i watched it last nite iv not read the novels but i though the film was really good not wot i expected by a longshot sum brutal fight sences along with a good twist at the end made this a good film i had my doubts wen i saw it was being made n then wen the trailers came out i though this looks crap but 2 my surprise i cudnt take my eyes off the screen im glad i watched it i like being wrong about things like that. it seems 2 me that its really hard 2 please the fans u complain wen its not like the comic and now ppl are complain its 2 much like the novel/comic make up ur mind jst appreciate the dam film!!.
Roscoe182 - 3/9/2009, 7:42 AM
"Roscoe182" i been saying that for like ever. They want it to be just like the novel. But if they put every little shit and fart word for word panel by panel, pluse the under the hood stuff you would be in the movie for 3 5 hous theres like 9 10 chapters how can you put all that in to the movie. look at lord of the rings witch was anouther amazeing movie they were long and they came out with an exstended vershion. And im shure they diden't get every detail from the book. It's holly wood people there ganna cut change some things to get it to a 2 hour movie. It's time to get over it, And if your thats pissed about the movie then sit there with your stupid little novel and shut the fu ck up!!!! >:0 there ganna make it longer in the DVD and put in that under the hood stuff. And please for the love of god if the director or creators of this movei is reading this shit redo the ending and put in the stupid squid to shut up the winy little gay fan boy bitches.

Logan-X - 3/9/2009, 9:44 AM
I saw the movie at the midnight premiere, I thought it was a great movie for it's worth. My friend Dutch on the other hand absolutely hated it for reasons I'm not sure. I have to say my favorite scene in all honesty was Malin Akerman having sex in the owl ship. She is a beautiful woman. I also think she enjoys being naked In movies which isn't a bad thing. She took her shirt off in Harold and Kumar, then the sex scene in The Heartbreak Kid. I think she will go far though in Hollywood regardless of being naked or not in films. What would boost her career would be playboy though.

My favorite character in the movie though was night owl. He reminded me of batman and I loved it and hated it at the same time but mostly loved it
LaffaTaffa - 3/9/2009, 10:19 AM
From someone who never read the comic, the movie failed. I think thwhtknight was dead on. The script was garbage.

With that said, the acting, visuals and story were awesome. I'm looking forward to the Director's cut, I'm hoping the extra footage will fill a lot of the holes the original release had.

Ozymandias and Niteowl was awesome, but way too underdeveloped. Everything was.
MoonDoggyX - 3/9/2009, 12:20 PM
I watched this movie on saturday with a friend and we both left the theatre speechless....even now i dunno what to say....all i could say to her when we got home.... was 'i just got mind [frick]ed' that movie blew my mind in more ways than 1....great job to all the actors....i really dont see what all the fuss was about ozymadias....i think he did a great job..but snyder is the man...
Neo24real - 3/9/2009, 12:25 PM
I think you are to be commended FalconX2 for that very honest and moving review. It has personally expressed my sentiments with regard to this great event in cinematic history, being able to produce and convey the core nuance's of this seemingly un-filmable novel.

Thanks for the info with regards to the song opening the end credits, makes me appreciate even more so the thought that must have gone into making this movie.

And lets face it guys this novel could have been totally raped and butchered BEYOND RECOGNITION and directed by [frick'n] Ang Lee. So i think a sense of relief and gratitude should be felt in some way to Zack and his crew for at least sticking to the Alan Moores writings as much as possible.


@betty speedracer?...................really?
Trioch - 3/9/2009, 3:29 PM
@SuperHeroStuffdotCom

I agree that it is very accurate for what it displayed of the graphic novel, but as the general movie goer, it could be confusing because think about it, they do not explain Rorschach's mask or Bubastis. Just like the novel it is nearly 3/4 character development with plot put on hold. And just like the novel, it shows the true gritty side of human nature. For a film, that does not generally generate into attendance. But that is what is beautiful about it. The mask and Bubastis gives an almost surreal feeling. The book is about exploring philosophy and character development, and showing what a real "hero" would be like against human nature. As such, most critics were not huge fans of the comic AS a comic. But nowhere else but the comic medium could Watchmen be done.

I guess my point is, it is a failure when compared to the generic basis of it's medium. But with something as magnificent as Watchmen, it almost makes everything else in it's medium a failure instead.

As an adaptation, technically, yes it is an AMAZINGLY accurate telling of the comic. But for me, it just felt different. It actually felt like it went beyond adaptation and added something to the Watchmen experience.

Also, thanks to everyone for their props! I would love to thank everyone individually but time is short, and I don't have time to read all the posts. Real life calls far to often.
J. "Falcon" Ayers - 3/9/2009, 9:59 PM
TL;DR
SoulAllFlush - 3/10/2009, 7:12 PM
That was the gayest thing I've ever read.
bobbyjones6969 - 3/12/2009, 1:59 PM
I look foreward to seeing it tommorow night nonetheless, I've been in jail for 7 months (released tuesday by the mercy of God), and missed everything from Dark Night to Watchmen...sigh

stupid crime...
CrimsonCritic - 3/13/2009, 1:21 AM
... You get internet access in jail?

If by jail you mean your mother's basement, then yes, you've been in jail.
bobbyjones6969 - 3/14/2009, 7:39 AM
Exactly, Watchmen is an experience. All of us fans can pretty much agree, if you've never read the book, then the movie is pointless. I tried getting both sides of my family to watch it and NO ONE understood it ("Why is Nixon president?") much less liked it. Can't like something you don't understand. So, Watchmen is OUR movie, no one elses. F*** the critics, screw the mediocre movie goers, Watchmen will always be my/our favorite movie... till we get Sandman.
BryEL - 9/7/2009, 3:35 PM

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