EDITORIAL: Why A Spider-Man Reboot Isn't Needed

EDITORIAL: Why A Spider-Man Reboot Isn't Needed

Everyone is talking about how, if Marvel Studios gets ahold of Spider-Man, it MUST be rebooted. However, looking at the fact that this would be the second reboot in ten years and the last Spider-Man film is only going to have been two years ago by the time Captain America: Civil War is out, I believe there is a better way to reinvigorate the franchise and allow Spider-Man to join the MCU.

Editorial Opinion
By TheDarman - Jan 10, 2015 05:01 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

While, ideally, I can understand the thought-process behind a clean slate for Spider-Man's entrance into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I think that it makes really poor business sense. People can say what they want about the reboot but the biggest problem it had was that it was only five years after the last film starring an actor that a lot of people liked. It doesn't matter that Spider-Man 3 was sub par (much like what people think of The Amazing Spider-Man 2), people wanted to see a continuation. If we look at the Rotten Tomatoes FAN scores of Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man 2, we will see that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is generally liked more, edging out the fan score by 16%. And, while The Amazing Spider-Man 2 wasn't the financial hit Sony had needed it to be, it would've been a modest success if they hadn't shoved so many trailers and TV Spots down our throats. The biggest problem is that Sony has been trying to fight the trend that every subsequent Spider-Man film has made less domestically than the last one and it wasn't going to work using their marketing platform. And, honestly, they needed a The Dark Knight level or X-Men: Days of Future Past level reception to boost it and they had too many cooks in the kitchen. However, there are many redeemable factors about the franchise that would be wasted should it be rebooted.



Andrew Garfield is a marvelous actor. Even the critics (the professional ones at least) admit that Garfield is a clear highlight for the new Spider-Man franchise. He brings out, on screen, the Peter Parker that he was told to make. Now, if you dislike the Peter Parker he portrays, that would be an issue with the writer and director but Andrew Garfield embodies the role the same way Robert Downey Jr. does and Chris Pratt does. I think it would be a mistake to waste such talent because we want to get a new, fresher face into the role (which, to me, is a mistake on its own because of the fiscal irresponsibility). For a franchise known for recruiting talent, there isn't many more talented young men than Garfield.



Another thing is that we want to bring Peter Parker back to high school. However, we've seen Peter Parker in high school a lot and many of the fans would prefer that we move past the tired setting of high school. Well, college is a pretty unique setting for the character and would allow for more stories to be told in a more adult world for Peter. It also helps keep Garfield looking youthful enough to portray the character. Plus, Marvel wants to avoid another origin story. Well, we have a Spider-Man ready that already has his origin story told. Check, check and double check. If they want to also avoid a love story, Peter, given the events of the last film, has a pretty good reason for avoiding his love life right now which gives them what they want there as well. Pretty much everything about the state of the character he has been left in is exactly what Marvel hopes to accomplish by rebooting him.



Perhaps most important of all of these is that there really is no need to reboot to reinvigorate the franchise. It simply takes a good movie (or two). If the last film had utterly destroyed the character himself, then, perhaps, it would be necessary. But I think we can all agree that Peter Parker and his character wasn't among the big problems in that film. It was Electro, Green Goblin (to an extent) and Rhino. I think, unfortunately, we are probably going to have to keep Green Goblin but Rhino and Electro are unimportant enough to fall as much by the wayside as the Lizard did in the latest film. I would argue that Green Goblin really isn't even that terrible, just rushed. If he hadn't been rushed, I would've probably put him past the overrated Loki as a villain. As he sits right now, he is at Ronan the Accuser level, which is pretty sad considering the potential Goblin had. However, much like the franchise Green Goblin can be saved. He just needs to be that loon that he is known to be in the upcoming films in order to reinvigorate the character with that sense of dread. With Marvel's help, I do believe that the next film can truly be Captain America: The Winter Soldier  levels of awesome. The story could work as a soft reboot, finally refocusing its attention, in a much-needed manner back on Uncle Ben and his killer. Remove all other villains besides Green Goblin. All the supporting cast is gone at this point or hasn't been met in person yet, with the exception of Aunt May (who, also, is in no need of being saved). Marvel can practically tell any story it wants with this Spider-Man and it keeps it fiscally responsible for the audience who likely wouldn't respond well to yet ANOTHER reboot.



Finally, I have to confront the continuity issues that many people are going to bring up. So, let's start with the obvious, where was Spider-Man during the battle of New York. The answer is simply going to be, in that case, that he wasn't Spider-Man yet. Given the fact that the reboot came out AFTER The Avengers this one really doesn't need any explanation to the audience. Of course, we have to, then, account for the reference-less script. It makes perfect sense to me: how often did New Yorkers talk about 9/11 in the months after it happened? Probably not a lot. For all intents and purposes, this was another 9/11. The senator's response after the attack in The Avengers shows Captain Stacy's attitude towards Spider-Man is well-founded and considering Spider-Man would be the first masked vigilante keeping his identity a secret, it would relatively new in that regard but, honestly, very few people seemed shocked that there was a guy with powers and more about what powers he had. This is a very clear distinction to make as it is completely appropriate to be caught off guard by a man in a spider costume as the other design choices by the Avengers had been modest. Okay, okay. So where was S.H.I.E.L.D. during the finale of the original Spider-Man reboot? Simple. The same place it was in the finale of The Incredible Hulk or Iron Man 3. Just because S.H.I.E.L.D. was around at that time doesn't mean that it involved itself in every issue. And, honestly, the finale of The Amazing Spider-Man transpired in a matter of hours. And the only evidence of superhuman activity with the Lizard was a max of half an hour before the final events went down. It is not nearly enough time for S.H.I.E.L.D. to have shown up. Fine. What about The Amazing Spider-Man 2 though where Times Square was destroyed? Again, this one is pretty simple though it requires digging back in a few pre-release interviews.



In a pre-release interview, when part of the film was screened for the press, Webb had made it very clear that Gwen and Peter hadn't seen each other for a year in between their break-up and the meeting before Times Square. This means that it took place in June of, shall we say, 2014. Well, if Captain America: The Winter Soldier took place two years after the events of The Avengers like Scarlett Johansson said then it would've taken place a month or two before the events that unfolded at Times Square. S.H.I.E.L.D.'s collapse predates most of the important events in The Amazing Spider-Man 2, explaining why Spider-Man isn't approached by any S.H.I.E.L.D. agents following anything: S.H.I.E.L.D. was gone by the time Spider-Man had really made it big time. This, seriously, takes care of all the continuity issues. Marvel shouldn't have to explain it either because they should probably consider it all self-explanatory given the fact that they have made sure all their films follow each other chronologically following the Iron Man 2/The Incredible Hulk/Thor fiasco. Now, it would be simple enough to bring Spider-Man into the Civil War fold and have it logically fit within the storyline.

Obviously, this will probably be unpopular as this site is notorious for being on the side of MCU more than pretty much anyone or anything else. However, I would like everyone to be open-minded enough to consider this and to also be coureteous not to slam people in the comments below for having a different opinion. Thanks for reading!
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TheEpicJuicebox
TheEpicJuicebox - 1/10/2015, 6:44 PM
I agree they should keep garfield
Khanlark
Khanlark - 1/10/2015, 6:51 PM
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Malakas
Malakas - 1/10/2015, 7:02 PM
Garfield is the best Spider-Man that ever existed and that will ever exist.
wookiefit
wookiefit - 1/10/2015, 7:09 PM
I still think they should reboot it. Grab some kid off the Disney Channel or Nickeldeon who's 15-16. Do 6 movies, 1 every 1.5-2 years. Every movie intro a new character so if after 6 movies you replace Spider-Man/Peter Parker you have actors/characters the audience has invested in. The new character you intro in every movie can have a solo flick to expand the universe.

Example:
Spider-Man 1 = Peter Parker
Spider-Man 2 = Gwen/Mary Jane
Spider-Man 3 = Spider Girl
Spider-Man 4 = Black Cat / Eddy Brock
Spider-Man 5 = Scarlett Spider / Venom
Spider-Man 6 = Miles
Spider Man 7 = Sinister 6 (all main movie villains come back. If your Peter doesn't
fans will still come back)
Spider-Man 8 = Pass the torch to Miles
ect, ect, ect.....
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 1/10/2015, 7:23 PM
"Andrew Garfield embodies the role the same way Robert Downey Jr. does and Chris Pratt does"

No.

Not saying Garfield isn't a great actor because he is but he's not Peter Parker/Spider-Man. He was a little better in TASM 1, I'll give him that.

But, I definitely do not want anything having to do with the Sony TASM franchise in the MCU. The Spider-Man blood thing, the parent thing, etc, etc....

I also don't see Sony's villains especially Sony's Green Goblin in the MCU.... After seeing what Yellowjacket will look like in the MCU and how his suit will combine the Pym particles and have more of a militaristic feel, there is no need for Sony's approach to the Goblin, imo

I want to see the real Norman Osborn and Goblin in the MCU, but actually it sounds like we'll be getting something close to Osborn with Cross in Ant-Man too....

The MCU doesn't need Spider-Man but if they gain rights, they need full creative control
tokens
tokens - 1/10/2015, 7:27 PM
I don't like this either.
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 1/10/2015, 7:31 PM
"Wasn't Spider-Man yet".... so not a single person mentioned the Battle of New York
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 1/10/2015, 7:50 PM
I really love both Amazing Spider-Man movies. But I'm so ready to see the character interact with other heroes, bring it on. I don't care if it's Andrew Garfield or someone new. Just get it right. The MCU already got a small retcon with that scene at the end of the Incredible Hulk. The after credit scene with RDJ. People didn't respond that great to the retcon.

Oops. Is the Mandarin considered a retcon too since the revealed that neither Trevor or Killian was the Mandarin? People bitch about that too much too. Anyways......I love the MCU so much. I just have to admit it will be too hard to fit the Amazing Spider-Man franchise into it. It will confuse the general audience quite a bit too. And that's where the money's at. Not us fanboys.
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 1/10/2015, 8:39 PM
@WYLEEJAY

The Post-Credit scene in Incredible Hulk wasn't retconned ... Tony is recruited by Fury in Iron Man 2...which takes place within the same week as The Incredible Hulk...then Tony goes to see the General at the bar... and says "we are putting a team together".... that entire movie is still considered MCU canon

As for the Mandarin...is it a retcon?...no....its a plot twist that the true Mandarin still lives...
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 1/10/2015, 10:47 PM
@Arrowverse. The One Shot The Consultant most certainly was a retcon of that after credit scene. They decided that scene didn't quite fit as well as they would like it too. So they filmed that One Shot to make it seem like SHIELD sent Stark there on purpose to aggravate Ross. Stark was actually trying to recruit Abomination. SHIELD wanted to make sure Ross would say no, so they sent the guy they knew he couldn't stand. Since you were lead to believe it was about the Hulk in the original film, then the One Shot filmed a couple years later takes it a new direction, then that would be Marvel patching something up. A retcon. The Incredible Hulk is definitely part of the MCU. I never said it wasnt.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 1/10/2015, 10:55 PM
And your right. The Mandarin would just be a plot twist. Except Killian called himself the Mandarin. After the film released they did another One Shot establishing the REAL Mandarin was still out there. Marvel wanted the character to exist in another way in their MCU. So technically that would also be a retcon. Don't treat it like a bad word. Marvel handled them real well in the films. And I'm happy with both outcomes. Now in the comics we're not always so lucky with retcons. Keep in mind retcon and reboot are not the same thing. A reboot is to start over from scratch. A retcon is a clever way around a previous decision your no longer content with.
Kyos
Kyos - 1/11/2015, 2:16 AM
By now I want a TASM3, just for the sake of Garfield (I didn't even like him all that much in the role in TASM2, but it would feel fair to me to give him one more chance). Then either continue the TASM franchise as it's own thing or set the character on pause for a few years and start fresh in the MCU. Big NO from me for a connected TASM/MCU.

nuyhm7ai
nuyhm7ai - 1/11/2015, 3:46 AM
@arrowverse it doesn't have to be mentioned. infact marvel had self contained stories for years. it's better to have things self contained then to be connected
WinterSoldier33
WinterSoldier33 - 1/11/2015, 6:17 AM
I have 3 options I want to see

1.back to marvel
2.reboot
3.kravens last hunt
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 1/11/2015, 6:37 AM
@nuyhm7ai We are talking about the MCU...where everything IS connected....and the stories are NOT self contained....so yes...it has to be acknowledged....which it wasn't
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 1/11/2015, 6:39 AM
@WYLEEJAY even with what you said about the Consultant....that isn't a retcon...that is just adding further detail to a scene that wasn't completely explained....

Had there been a scene after that movie where we see Stark meet Ross again but it seems like the first time they are meeting...then it would imply they had never met....thats a retcon of a scene...
nuyhm7ai
nuyhm7ai - 1/11/2015, 6:52 AM
@arrowverse not everything has to be connected. There was no explanation where the avengers were when he was fighting someone like the beetle in midair or when the f4 had life threatening dangers or when mutants exist more than the characters in marvel. Anyone would not give a shit if Thor gets mentioned.
Hush2010
Hush2010 - 1/11/2015, 7:44 AM
Did we get confirmation that Spidey is coming to the MCU that I didn’t see?
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 1/11/2015, 8:13 AM
"But I think we can all agree that Peter Parker and his character wasn't among the big problems in that film."

I very much beg to differ.

" If he hadn't been rushed, I would've probably put him past the overrated Loki as a villain. As he sits right now, he is at Ronan the Accuser level, which is pretty sad considering the potential Goblin had."

Rating Sony villains on a scale from Loki to Ronan is new to me.

"Of course, we have to, then, account for the reference-less script. It makes perfect sense to me: how often did New Yorkers talk about 9/11 in the months after it happened? Probably not a lot."

As a New Yorker...what the actual [frick]?
nuyhm7ai
nuyhm7ai - 1/11/2015, 9:24 AM
@sauronsBANE he clearly wasnt the problem. Even in the dexter scenes he was shown more useful and talented.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 1/11/2015, 9:51 AM
@Arrowverse. No that would just be a mistake in continuity. Another scene after that explaining that the Stark that talked to Ross the first time, was a LMD, and that Stark himself never talked to him before, would explain that scene, and give them a way to go a different direction. This is fun. I like this. A mature debate. But keep in mind that the producers said in the special features that The Consultant was shot to retcon that after credit scene, there's not much that can be said to argue the point. They even called it a retcon. Cause the original scene implied Stark was a part of organizing the Avenger Initiative. When by the end of Iron Man 2 SHIELD clearly didn't want him to be a big part. They just called him a consultant. So the One Shot did a great job of patching that up imo.
Invictor
Invictor - 1/11/2015, 9:57 AM
Nah, I believe Webb's series has completely [frick]ed up. I'd like a reboot.
Invictor
Invictor - 1/11/2015, 9:58 AM
Norman doesn't even have a head anymore.
nuyhm7ai
nuyhm7ai - 1/11/2015, 11:22 AM
@abettertomorrow because garfield was exactly like how Peter is. Pete was never much of a good guy like maguire. He was a very smooth, very smart and very flawed character. He also was never the most responsible hero nor the more patient one. Even in the deleted scenes andrew captured Peter Parker very well.
Wolf38
Wolf38 - 1/11/2015, 12:54 PM
If Spider-Man does get incorporated into the MCU, then I think that they should re-cast Peter Parker, which they can do without redoing the origin story or sending him back to high school. It's not that Garfield isn't a good actor for the role or that continuity specifics are all that important as far as who was when/where, but more that for brand consistency I doubt that Marvel Studios would be willing to connect themselves to the TASM films, and I wouldn't want them to, either.
CaptainProg
CaptainProg - 1/11/2015, 2:24 PM
Reboot!
Mercwitham0uth
Mercwitham0uth - 1/11/2015, 2:32 PM
These movies sucked ass. Reboot the damn thing and give Marvel Studios creative control. Oh and fire Arad, he's like that old person that on life support, is delirious and doesn't know where he is.
HellBoyzBetter
HellBoyzBetter - 1/11/2015, 3:06 PM
Shia Lebouf err... I mean Andrew Garfield was a HORRIBLE Peter Parker. Denzel Washington would have been more believable. (DON'T DO IT SONY) However, like Batman, WE ALL KNOW HIS ORIGIN! Get on with it and let's see some Spidey with depth and genius. Get him out of college and more so out of HIGH SCHOOL! Tobey McGuire played a great Parker but the script did shit for Spider-man. Where Spider-Man lacked, the Amazing Spider-man over-compromised. Spidey just would NEVER take the time to pull down a robber's pants and Andrew Garfield's stupid stutter makes Peter Parker look like a combination of Cosmo Kramer and Joey Lawrence.
Mastyrwerk
Mastyrwerk - 1/11/2015, 3:06 PM
No, no, no.

The MCU should not adopt the "Amazing" Franchise. They ruined the origin in virtually every conceivable way. Raimi's Spider-Man is a PERFECT Spidey Origin movie. You cannot like the way Goblin looks, but THAT'S IT. Defoe was amazing. The story was right out of Amazing Fantasy 15. That would be the one the MCU would use. No need to show it again, but tease or reference Uncle Ben, "Great Power...", bit by a Spider, done.

And wtf are you talking about high school being done a lot. Do you mean the the cartoons? Only Spider-Man and Amazing Spider-Man had him in High School. If anything, the college thing is overdone in the movies.
ChiliConCarney
ChiliConCarney - 1/11/2015, 3:13 PM
Netflix show. I know Spider-Man can still fill the seats in theaters but it's been done almost to death in a short amount of time. Imagine Spider-Man in an episodic setting in which there'd be the freedom to insert villains on a weekly basis and not feel overwhelmed like, say, in a three villain movie. Also, you'd almost be insured a multi-season deal to explore many different story lines like Kraven, the Sinister Six, Maximum Carnage and anything else Sony hasn't screwed up yet. Add in the occasional guest star... Someone from Spidey's stable of friends or an MCU staple...

On second thought, let's make it a Starz original series. They've already got a deal with Marvel and maybe because it's on a premium channel it would be more likely to get big name guest stars.
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