Kevin Smith On Why He Prefers THE AVENGERS Over TDKR

Kevin Smith On Why He Prefers THE AVENGERS Over TDKR

Comic book writer,actor, director and fanboy; Kevin Smith talks about his love for The Dark Knight Rises and Marvel's The Avengers and why he loves The Avengers a little bit more.

By MarkJulian - Dec 11, 2012 12:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers
Source: Indiewire


A bit of a lengthy piece from Kevin here but I think his sentiments echo how a lot of comic book fans feel about both The Avengers and The Dark Knight Rises.

"'The Dark Knight Rises' I have a weird relationship with – it's like a chemical romance with a toxic ex-girlfriend where I love her to death but there are some things about her that are just [frick]ing wrong. 'The Avengers' I loved so more than I thought I would. I've written for Marvel but I was never an Avengers guy. I'm more DC. But I've become obsessed with Favreau's 'Iron Man' movie because I think it's very nearly a perfect film. So when I saw Favreau wasn't doing it I thought, Well what do I care? The first time I saw it was in Australia and it opened a week before it opened here and we were traveling for the 'Jay and Silent Bob Go Down Under' tour and we had just done a show and we went to a midnight show. And the first time I saw it I could not get past the Loki poke-y stick in the beginning. Because Loki sticks something in somebody's chest and it's like 'WAAMP, you're a bad guy.' What the [frick]? Is this the level of discourse we're going to have? But you can't deny that flick."

"By the middle of it I was like, 'The Hulk is amazing.' The next time I watched it I was totally into it. You can't watch that movie and be like 'I object to the Loki poke-y stick' when there's a mother[frick]er who turns into a green giant. In my mind Marvel science is okay because we were raised on it. As someone who looks for realism in comics, you can say, 'Well, you could get belted by gamma rays and turn into someone else.' But you can't say, 'A stick from outer space that makes you a bad guy is bullshit!' So I got past that and embraced the whole thing. I've now watched 'Avengers' about eight times, twice on a plane back-to-back. It just keeps giving. That's 10,000 across the board! Whedon in the driver's seat, 70-80 years of Marvel, and the charm [frick]ing factor of Robert Downey Jr. It runs like a golden machine. I never imagined that I would love 'Avengers' more than 'Dark Knight Rises.' Not only would I have never imagined that 'Dark Knight' would underperform (based on other mitigating factors of course). But I would have never thought 'Avengers' would make more than 'Dark Knight Rises.' But I never would have thought I would have liked 'Avengers' more than 'Dark Knight Rises' but I really did like 'Avengers' more. And I've watched them an equal amount of times. 'Avengers,' I'm not going to say it's the better movie, but it puts a smile on your face. It's magical cinema."


So, what do you think about what Smith says? He's admitted his preference is DC, which he's predominantly written for but even he loves The Avengers a tad more.



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Marvel's The Avengers or simply The Avengers is a 2012 American superhero film produced by Marvel Studios and distributed by Walt Disney Pictures, based on the Marvel Comics superhero team of the same name. It is the sixth installment in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The film is scripted and directed by Joss Whedon and features an ensemble cast that includes Robert Downey, Jr., Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, Jeremy Renner, Tom Hiddleston, Clark Gregg, Cobie Smulders, Stellan Skarsgård and Samuel L. Jackson. In The Avengers, Nick Fury, director of the peacekeeping organization S.H.I.E.L.D., recruits Iron Man, Captain America, the Hulk, and Thor to form a team that must stop Thor's adoptive brother Loki from subjugating Earth.

The Avengers premiered on April 11, 2012, at the El Capitan Theatre in Hollywood, California. The film received positive reviews from most film critics and set or tied numerous box office records, including the biggest opening weekend in North America and the fastest film to gross $1 billion. The Avengers grossed $1.51 billion worldwide, and became the third highest-grossing film of all time. The film was released on Blu-ray Disc and DVD on September 25, 2012. A sequel to be written and directed by Whedon is scheduled for release on May 1, 2015.


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MrReese
MrReese - 12/9/2012, 7:31 PM
Smith is awesome XD
MrReese
MrReese - 12/9/2012, 7:31 PM
Bluntman n Chronic FTW!!
SpoonWielder
SpoonWielder - 12/11/2012, 12:23 AM
Here here Kevin Smith
FightAs0ne
FightAs0ne - 12/11/2012, 12:25 AM
"'The Dark Knight Rises' I have a weird relationship with – it's like a chemical romance with a toxic ex-girlfriend where I love her to death but there are some things about her that are just [frick]ing wrong."

That is the best absolute way to describe the way I feel about TDKR, without feeling to overtly fanboyish. I agree with what he says.
Whoelsebutkevin
Whoelsebutkevin - 12/11/2012, 12:28 AM
Fair enough, I understand what he saying about Avengers being a "Magical Cinema". Its just a fun thing to watch that calms your appetite for Comic book Movie fun. On top of that it was well acted and directed. That's as far as i'll go with that.

I love Batman.
NostalgicYouth
NostalgicYouth - 12/11/2012, 12:29 AM
He has his opinions and I respect that but I still like TDKR more then the Avengers; but I still have fun with the Avengers.
technodrome518
technodrome518 - 12/11/2012, 12:30 AM
I've watched both movies equal amounts of time, and I fell asleep to TDKR last time I watched it. It's a great movie in all, but some parts just lag for me. Avengers on the other hand keeps my full attention every time. Smith said it the best about Avengers, "It's magical cinema".
technodrome518
technodrome518 - 12/11/2012, 12:31 AM
@NostalgicYouth I love your Matt and Trey picture!
ComicFanMan
ComicFanMan - 12/11/2012, 12:36 AM
Seriously now you editors are trying to start a war! haha but in all seriousness this debate should be over for the simple reason that professional critics have put this movie in their top 10 list and also it is ahead of avengers in imdb and metacritic. Even though I'm a fan of Kevin smith and jason mewes he is not a professional critic and is known to act whiny when his films first receive a couple of bad reviews. So marvelites just leave it alone because both films are great so stop your whining and b*tching!
Kayo
Kayo - 12/11/2012, 12:37 AM
right you are Mr. Smith
CPIXLEY
CPIXLEY - 12/11/2012, 12:38 AM
The Avengers was fun and TDKR was serious. I loved them both! I want to see IM3 and MoS!!!
ShadowOfTheWeb
ShadowOfTheWeb - 12/11/2012, 12:42 AM
Both awesome films, it's a golden era to be a fanboy right now! Kevin smith is one enertaining mofo. Fatman on batman is a great listen
nikgrid
nikgrid - 12/11/2012, 12:45 AM
I noticed he said in reference to the Avengers ..."I'm not going to say it's the better movie, but it puts a smile on your face..." - That's how I feel about the Avenger fine cinema it's not...but people like to pretend it is.
Coachella
Coachella - 12/11/2012, 12:46 AM
I loved both films. No film is perfect. They both have flaws. I would say im more of a DC guy because Batman is my favorite charachter of Alltime but i love marvel also. I don't think anyone truly expected the amount of money the avengers made. I agree with Kevin right there. I wonder if Ironman 3 will make the kind of money Avengers made. I know everyone is going to start arguing like crazy soon so please learn to accept other peoples opinions.
LP4
LP4 - 12/11/2012, 12:49 AM
Funny. Before both even came out i remember Smith was banking more on TDKR over Avengers.

95
95 - 12/11/2012, 12:52 AM
My sentiments exactly. His Fatman On Batman podcast are the only works I have experience of Kevin Smith. I have not seen his films.

Back to Rises: look, I have high praise for many aspects of the film. I have no regrets for defending it during the "war" last year. It's an incredible piece of filmmaking (at least on a technical level). However, there are plenty of issues with the story to dismiss. There are mountains of great moments, of symbolism/allusions/parallels, and valleys of "abysmal plot holes".

Marvel's The Avengers has grown on me. I have a new found respect for Joss Whedon. His film does not make promises it cannot keep. The story is structured to the point that every scene tops the scene before it, even till the end. Joss Whedon was able to maintain a steady flow that kept to engaged till past the credits! With that type of adrenaline, it's natural to proclaim the film: "flawless". It's hard to criticize a film (to a microscopic level) when you walk out of the theater happy. The Avengers simply commits less mistakes, whether you consider the plot simple or not.

In conclusion... my Best Buy Steelbook is in the mail.
TheBeard
TheBeard - 12/11/2012, 12:54 AM
He is a smart man. TDKR was a complete let down compared to the second movie. But being realistic, after Heath Ledger nothing was going to match up. Avengers was WAY better.
Happy11
Happy11 - 12/11/2012, 12:59 AM
He is.always contradicting himself. I watched fatman on batman where he is crying when talking about his favorite scenes in TDKR. But you have to listen to him talk about the failed superman movie Tim Burton Jon Peters its gold.
JDUKE25
JDUKE25 - 12/11/2012, 1:02 AM
Avengers was fun the first 2 times, but after that its just not that good. The jokes aren't funny anymore, they're just annoying. Most of the dialogue is garbage. The camera angles is some scenes are a joke. Hulk is awesome, but I just can't get over the crappy CG environment and all of that green screen. It's just so freakin noticeable. I enjoyed X2 more than this. Hoping Avengers 2 is a lot better.

Now don't get all pissy cuz I insulted your favorite movie. I'm criticizing the movie, not you. If you love it, then by all means love the crap out of it.

The Dark Knight Rises wasn't perfect. Talia should have been used better and earlier. and she should've freakin fought someone. I thought it was the third best out of the trilogy, with BB as my favorite.
Coachella
Coachella - 12/11/2012, 1:07 AM
I really hope everyone is supporting all the comic films coming out next year. Please give us a Great Superman Movie. The character is an Icon and deserves praise!!!
JDUKE25
JDUKE25 - 12/11/2012, 1:08 AM
I also thought the 8-year gap was ridiculous. Should've been 4 years at the most, but 3 years would've been a better time gap.
JasonZumwalt
JasonZumwalt - 12/11/2012, 1:10 AM
Apples and oranges. Both movies are great. Avengers is the ultimate popcorn flick with a ton of heart and TDKR is pop art mirroring our own reality. Both great films.
95
95 - 12/11/2012, 1:15 AM
@Happy11 I saw that, lol. He really likes the movie, he just acknowledges that there are noticable flaws, you know? Like the Cafe scene, that had a profound impact on him. Otherwise, moments like John Blake's "amazing" detective skills ("when I saw you I knew you were Batman") — he felt extremely "bummed" by that.

@TheDarkKnight720 I agree. There is no reason to complain about post-2012 comic book movies. It's an era of fan input. We have the power and anything (from silly characters to unthinkable team ups) is possible.
Oxion
Oxion - 12/11/2012, 2:07 AM
This is so nice. The Avengers speaks to the kid in me, the fanboy for sure while TDKR is my grown up film, a true masterpiece. Was it a constant adrenaline rush like TDK, no, and I'm glad it wasn't. Besides a tweak or two to Banes voice and changing the semi-climactic back breaking scene to a more dramatic moment, I love the film, this one I CAN watch over and over and not get tired of the scene or dialogue.
didich
didich - 12/11/2012, 2:26 AM
@JDUKE25

Man I'm not attacking, but The Avengers dialogue was not more garbage than Rises'. And the CGI was not crappy, how else do you want to present a fantastical world? How do you think are they gonna handle Man of Steel?

And the part about X2 being better is hilarious.
batfan175
batfan175 - 12/11/2012, 2:30 AM
well, he just says that he likes one more but does not say what is "wrong" about TDKR in his opinion. Yeah i like happy stories where all ends well for everyone, too. It's just not how it goes in real life.
SpiderRanger
SpiderRanger - 12/11/2012, 2:50 AM
I never knew he was Silent Bob Ô.Ô
now I can't take him seriously anymore
avengersleagueofjusticeforamerica
avengersleagueofjusticeforamerica - 12/11/2012, 2:50 AM
I concur your statement Mr. Smith
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