Joss Whedon And Mark Ruffalo Talk Revealingly About Their Take On The Hulk

Joss Whedon And Mark Ruffalo Talk Revealingly About Their Take On The Hulk

Talking in great detail about the process of creating The Hulk with ILM and how this version differs from past incarnations, Joss Whedon and Mark Ruffalo also let slip brief details on a fight which is sure to make comic fans very happy. [Spoilers Ahead]

By JoshWilding - Apr 02, 2012 10:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers
Source: Walt Disney Pictures UK


"We wanted to create a Hulk that had never been done before," reveals director Joss Whedon. "In the comics, Bruce Banner and The Hulk didn’t look the same. On the television show they were different actors and they’ve always have been an actor and a CGI creature in the films, but now with the advancements of motion capture technology, we wanted Mark Ruffalo to play both sides of the character. Very early on we decided to build The Hulk’s face off of Mark’s [Ruffalo], not just in terms of what he was going to do movement-wise in playing the character, but also the actual physicality of it, including the bone structure and contours of the eyes and mouth. We really wanted to bridge the gap between the characters so that when he turns into The Hulk, you go, ‘Oh my God, that’s Bruce Banner! Only he is big and green and very angry!’"

"There are a million things we can build off of from Mark, but at the end of the day, the CGI Hulk needed to feel like flesh and blood, but at the same time had to express everything more dramatically than a human being is going to. So there have been times when ILM is building off Mark’s performance and I see it and say, ‘We need to take this further; his mouth needs to be opened wider, his head needs to snap quicker.’ All these things had to be augmented in order for them to read as pure Hulk, but they had to come from the basis of reality."

One aspect in which this version of The Hulk will differ from past incarnations is made clear by actor Mark Ruffalo. "In a lot of the other versions of the character, The Hulk grew in size drastically, but in ‘The Avengers’ he is always going to be about eight and a half feet tall," says the actor. "He gets stronger as he gets angrier, but he doesn’t really grow much taller. When I found out there was a whole new arena of technology that would allow an actor to play what has always been a CGI character, I thought it could be something cool to try my hand at. It’s a game changer for The Hulk because it’s hard to capture real anger in a CGI character. Anger is something that’s deep and primordial. There are so many subtleties and variations to it, so this idea of bringing a darker, more humanistic Hulk was really exciting and compelling."

"There are many different steps in creating this version of The Hulk," the actor continues. "It was interesting to me how relatable it is to theater, which is the oldest form of acting. As a theater actor you walk onto a black box and there is nothing to live off of, so you really have to rely on your imagination and you have to put things out there that aren’t there. Theater was my training as an actor and when they put me in this tiny little pod with thousands of cameras and lights all around and I could only move my head, I was able to use my imagination to put myself in the circumstance of fighting Thor or any other being."

"Every movement you make you see The Hulk making the same movement in the monitor, so the image starts to tell you how the character stands and behaves,"
says Ruffalo on the process of injecting life into the computer generated creation. "You also see that the body can only move certain ways, so you’re creating the character based on the physical presence that’s in front of you, which was really exciting and challenging. I spent several days there and we went through fights, like Hulk against Thor, and I would simulate the fight with one of ILM’s animators for three hours. They took all the information of our movements, put it into a computer and that becomes the basis for The Hulk. It’s very complex, methodical, and in a lot of ways, a really nascent technology. It’s a creature, but it also feels human and I’m thrilled by it. My experience in a lot of these types of films is that you feel like you’re watching two movies—the CGI movie and the human portion. But now we’re free as actors through this technology and audiences can stay connected and track the character for the entire film."

"We wanted to incorporate more of the actor then ever before so that the face and mannerisms of The Hulk come from Mark Ruffalo’s face," adds Marvel Studios President and executive producer of the film, Kevin Feige. "We have never done this before, but it was a tremendous help in making audiences feel Bruce Banner and The Hulk were one in the same. When he turns into The Hulk, all of the goodwill we get from a very likable Bruce Banner goes into him and you get more expression, more character and more emotion then we have ever gotten out of the character."

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STARRING:

Chris Evans as Steve Rogers/Captain America
Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark/Iron Man
Chris Hemsworth as Thor
Jeremy Renner as Clint Barton/Hawkeye
Scarlett Johansson as Natasha Ramanoff/Black Widow
Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner/Hulk
Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury
Clark Gregg as Agent Coulson
Cobie Smulders as Maria Hill
Tom Hiddleston as Loki

RELEASE DATE: April 26th, 2012. (UK) May 4th, 2012. (US)


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gingerwarrior
gingerwarrior - 4/2/2012, 10:50 AM
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TheActionAce
TheActionAce - 4/2/2012, 10:54 AM
cool
Spidey91
Spidey91 - 4/2/2012, 10:54 AM
Avengers overload!
Lert
Lert - 4/2/2012, 10:54 AM
i hope he does better than that crap put out a few years ago..
Benjamitesandwich
Benjamitesandwich - 4/2/2012, 10:57 AM
Hulk is definitely going to be the most fun Avenger to watch. I'm so glad they have finally nailed the Hulk we know and love from the comics.
RunDTC
RunDTC - 4/2/2012, 11:09 AM
oh my stars and garters.
ukboy28
ukboy28 - 4/2/2012, 11:16 AM
25 days until i see this....i truly cannot wait.
ralfinader
ralfinader - 4/2/2012, 11:27 AM
Ruffalo- "I was able to use my imagination to put myself in the circumstance of fighting Thor or any other being."

He mentions fighting Thor! Suh-Weet! Hope that moment happens on the big screen!
ukboy28
ukboy28 - 4/2/2012, 11:33 AM
@ralfinader I noticed he said that as well :)

Id pay to see that happen let alone the rest of the movie!
Dedpool
Dedpool - 4/2/2012, 11:45 AM
Nice! I can't wait!!
95
95 - 4/2/2012, 11:49 AM
Okay! I'm going to see the film twice!! There's too many interviews to read!!!
thewolfx
thewolfx - 4/2/2012, 11:52 AM
wha??? i recon ed norton looking alot like his hulk

so how is this one that much different??


oh and hulk vs thor confirmed ? XD
JohnnyKrypton
JohnnyKrypton - 4/2/2012, 12:13 PM
Weren't Bana and Norton's Hulks BOTH facially based on the actors? Didn't Norton & Roth both do extensive mo-cap and facial recording? Has Feige ever bothered to watch his own films?
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/2/2012, 12:32 PM
this sounds great from this interveiw,we're gonna get the hulk we rightly deserve.

as much as i love the incredible hulk with norton this does sound superior.
IronDean2099
IronDean2099 - 4/2/2012, 12:47 PM
They only mocapped the actors' faces for the actual acting and expressions, not the physical appearance.
Minghagz
Minghagz - 4/2/2012, 1:01 PM
Sounds cool, just the tidbits of Hulk action we've seen have been great!
Fogs
Fogs - 4/2/2012, 1:12 PM
@JohnnyKrypton - Bana, yes. Norton, no way.

This


has nothing to do with this
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 4/2/2012, 1:15 PM
hulk vs thor thats what i been wating on. so sic of bat vs joker or even worse lex vs supes no fights there (dc are idiots) bring on HULK VS THOR MARVEL STYLE
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 4/2/2012, 1:33 PM
It's fine that they're making HULK look like the actor which in the long run looks less like the HULK, but I appreciate the logic.

But let's not get carried away as if HULK comics focused on giving the HULK Banner's features. He's always been a separate entity physically.
Fogs
Fogs - 4/2/2012, 1:44 PM
"they're making HULK look like the actor which in the long run looks less like the HULK" - what, neo? Hulk never was so close to the comicbook version!


GiantNerd
GiantNerd - 4/2/2012, 1:49 PM
I thought Edward Norton was extremely boring add Bruce banner. I just sat there waiting for hulk.
superman7
superman7 - 4/2/2012, 2:40 PM
@ Fogs:

Actually all of The Incredible Hulk's facial expressions and features were acted out vie Edward Norton in motion capture. It's in the Blu Ray special features. But they based it off his face, but stretched out certain parts and jutted the others to look much more primal. Where the others went with a more literal transition
murf
murf - 4/2/2012, 2:41 PM
is that confirmation that we see the hulk fighting thor in this movie? cuz if it is thats A. awesome and B. a massive spolier, i dont think its been confirmed anywhere yet that we see the Hulk fighting any team members
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 4/2/2012, 3:11 PM
SO...LIKE THIS:


fistofthenorthstar
fistofthenorthstar - 4/2/2012, 3:45 PM
sweet.
marvelstudios
marvelstudios - 4/2/2012, 7:49 PM
ive said this before, but they really need to explain, in the movie, why the hulks appearence changed. i find it weird that they have 2 hulk designs in the same universe
brewtownpsych
brewtownpsych - 4/2/2012, 8:37 PM
i know this is always an avengers circle jerk, but let's be honest, this version of the hulk is a straight up special needs shrek.

TIH for the win. Most like the current TIH comic too (silvestri art).
hartley07
hartley07 - 4/2/2012, 8:42 PM
1,they didnt explain why rhodey looks different either, so they wont. 2, more importantly, they need to keep the theme song from TIH. If they dont at least link it to TIH in that way, there will be no link WHATSOEVER and TIH will feel like its not part of the series. They better keep everyone's individal themes or the movie is going to lose half its ooomph.
ralfinader
ralfinader - 4/2/2012, 9:04 PM
@marvelstudios - Maybe it will go down like this:

Tony Stark - "I didn't expect you here!"

Ruffalo-Hulk - "Hulk here, get over it."

Just like they did the new Rhodey in IM2. They really don't need to explain it. If it makes you feel better, look at it as a different artists take on the Hulk, like in the comic books when a new artist takes over a series and draws the charactors their own way.
marvelstudios
marvelstudios - 4/2/2012, 10:59 PM
yea i guess your right. but they do need to link it to TIH in some way. like maybe mentioning the abomination, or have samual sterns make a cameo, etc. but all im saying is that they need to be linked somehow or like hartley07 said TIH wouldnt fit into to the series
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