Integrating THE DEFENDERS Into AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Would Be "Complicated"

Integrating THE DEFENDERS Into AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Would Be "Complicated"

For those of you holding out hope that The Defenders, and to a lesser extent, the Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. would possibly show up in Avengers: Infinity War. Well, co-director Anthony Russo provided his take on the whole situation, saying "it's complicated."

By RohanPatel - Dec 06, 2015 06:12 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Infinity War
Source: SUPER Interessante

Ever since Marvel expanded into television and Netflix, fans have been clamoring to see some of these new small-screen heroes, specifically The Defenders, show up in Marvel Studios' two-part magnum opus, Avengers: Infinity War.

So, what's the verdict? Is there a possibility we get to see some of Marvel's popular and well-received Netflix Defenders show up to assist The Avengers in Infinity War? 

Well, "it's complicated."

Speaking with SUPER Interessante at CCXP, co-director Anthony Russo fielded a question regarding whether any of The Defenders could realistically appear in Avengers: Infinity War. Instead of going into the likelihood of it actually happening, Russo chooses to touch on how difficult it would be to actually make it happen. "The films are controlled by a group led by Kevin Feige, so they function as a unit. Other products, even if they are from Marvel, are controlled by others." Breaking down what this means, outside of seemingly affirming rumors of a small divide between Marvel Studios & Marvel Television, is that even though all of Marvel's content takes place in the same universe, the creative decisions behind the films, the TV shows, and the Netflix series are made independently of one another.

So, essentially, it's up to Feige and the film division to decide on whether or not they want to feature a small-screen character in one of their big-budget films and then it's up to the television division to decide on whether they want to adjust their production schedule and allow that to happen. We may have seen film characters cross over into television before, but crossing television characters into films is considerably more complicated. 

Read Anthony Russo's full answer below:  


SUPER: The Marvel Cinematic Universe that we see in theaters today is much bigger than the one we first saw with The Avengers. There are many more heroes and there are new pieces being added with the ABC TV series and the Netflix series. How do you organize it? Is there a chance we see Jessica Jones battling Thanos (the villain) in Infinity War?

Anthony Russo: It's complicated. When we start to serialize the telling of stories it's difficult. You have to have a lot of control and focus on the course of history. The films are controlled by a group led by Kevin Feige, so they function as a unit. Other products, even if they are from Marvel, are controlled by others. Then there is the possibility of a crossover, but it's more complicated. It is a smaller scale version of the problem that exists when remembering that Fox holds the rights to some of Marvel's most popular characters, as does Sony and others. As storytellers, we only have control over what happens in Marvel movies, but everything is possible, Spider-Man (whose rights were held by Sony) became possible!


Never say never, but based on Russo's comments, it really doesn't sound like integrating Marvel's small-screen heroes into Avengers: Infinity War is particularly high on Kevin Feige's to-do list. Does this mean it won't happen? Absolutely not. They did after all manage to bring Spider-Man into the mix, which at this time last year, seemed like an impossible mission that only Ethan Hunt could conquer. However, when you consider that Spider-Man is and always will be an extremely popular film character with a rich and well-known history, it's easier to throw him into the mix story-wise versus adding a variety of pieces from television that by 2018 will all have their own on-going story arcs and extensive history that the general audience may or (more likely than not) may not be aware of.

Also, judging by Russo's comment, it could be inferred that The Defenders (and to a much lesser extent, the Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.) would only be added to Infinity War and/or to any Phase 3 film if they somehow benefitted the story, which currently seems like a long shot at best. When you look at Infinity War and the vast amount of heroes that film will already be juggling, it's hard to imagine how any of Marvel's television characters could impact the story in a meaningful way and not just be glorified cameos.

What do you guys think? Sound off with your thoughts below!


How big of a threat does Thanos pose, you ask? Big enough to span two epic films, beginning with Marvel’s “Avengers: Infinity War Part 1” on May 4, 2018, and concluding in Marvel’s “Avengers: Infinity War Part 2” on May 3, 2019 for one massive cinematic event.

“We’ve always had a plan since Nick Fury broke into Tony Stark’s house and told him he’s part of a bigger universe," recalled Feige. "'Avengers: Infinity War Part 1' is the beginning of the culmination of everything that has come before."


Avengers: Infinity War will feature:
Directors: Anthony & Joe Russo
Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark/Iron Man
Chris Evans as Steve Rogers/Captain America
Chris Hemsworth as Thor Odinson
Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner/Hulk
Scarlett Johansson as Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow
Jeremy Renner as Clint Barton/Hawkeye
Chadwick Boseman as T'Challa/Black Panther
Paul Rudd as Scott Lang/Ant-Man
Paul Bettany as The Vision
Elizabeth Olsen as Wanda Maximoff/Scarlet Witch
Don Cheadle as James Rhodes/War Machine
Evangeline Lilly as Hope van Dyne/Wasp
Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson/Falcon
Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier
Chris Pratt as Peter Quill/Star-Lord
Zoe Saldana as Gamora
Dave Bautista as Drax the Destroyer
Vin Diesel as Groot
Bradley Cooper as Rocket Raccoon
Benedict Cumberbatch as Stephen Strange/Doctor Strange
Unknown actress as Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel
Tom Holland as Peter Parker/Spider-Man
Tom Hiddleston as Loki Laufeyson
Josh Brolin as Thanos

Avengers: Infinity War - Part 1 hits theaters May 4, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War - Part 2 hits theaters May 3, 2019

 
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LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 12/6/2015, 11:35 AM
I can't understand a damn word this guy is saying. Then I saw this.

the spider (which has the right held by Fox)

I am just gonna nod my head, not take anything from this interview, and wait for another interview to talk about this topic.
Reasonnnn
Reasonnnn - 12/6/2015, 11:52 AM
USE YOUR WORDS!!
ScarletWarlock
ScarletWarlock - 12/6/2015, 12:21 PM
He didn't really answer the question, though, he went off about not owning other franchises, yeah okay, but will [frick]ing Daredevil ever appear on the big screen again? That's what we want to know, it isn't a legal issue obviously. I still think the Defenders should help Spidey if Sony forces Marvel to do Sinister six.
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 12/6/2015, 5:16 PM
"Integrating THE DEFENDERS Into AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Would Be "Complicated""


No it wouldn't. Thanos threatens the whole universe, Thus there is enough of a threat that the defenders feel they need to help too, they are in new york for god sakes, so either have them fight against thanos or have them be like spider-man was in avengers vs justice league, have them be on the streets saving people.
LeeroyJenkins
LeeroyJenkins - 12/6/2015, 5:17 PM
But I want Daredevil vs Thanos!
DeadManDann
DeadManDann - 12/6/2015, 5:17 PM
I'm fine with the separation. I feel like including the Netflix characters in a giant, cataclysmic movie would undermine the entire purpose of the Netflix-verse, which is to show a side of the MCU that ISN'T defined by the big guns-- something low-key, with relatively smaller stakes. I mean sure, it could PROBABLY be done properly, but not everything has to intersect.
kaijunexus
kaijunexus - 12/6/2015, 5:19 PM
My god...just after we got all of these properties under one umbrella again, it sounds like they've gone and sub-divided them up again. Stupid Perlmutter.
CrimsonFlash
CrimsonFlash - 12/6/2015, 5:20 PM
There is just no way the movie side of Marvel doesn't have the final say so of what characters are in what. Or if not Fegie himself some higher up at Disney certainly does and can make the decision for the TV side of things. I just don't see a world in which the big finale doesn't have everyone in this shared universe show up to fight.
LuisFcknLorenzo
LuisFcknLorenzo - 12/6/2015, 5:22 PM
Best Character in the entire MCU

DeadManDann
DeadManDann - 12/6/2015, 5:23 PM
[cont'd] Hell, the Netflix shows are already gonna have to deal with their characters popping in different series, and ultimately in The Defenders, so I'm worried juggling all of that ALONG WITH big-screen appearances would weaken the creative freedom evident in Daredevil and Jessica Jones.
Robin91939
Robin91939 - 12/6/2015, 5:24 PM
The Russos also said that adapting Civil War would be difficult and near impossible this early into the Marvel Cinematic Universe ... Then the title for Captain America 3 came out: Captain America: Civil War.


So, let's wait and see.

-R
dragonator29
dragonator29 - 12/6/2015, 5:27 PM
I would love to see Quake in some capacity at Infinity Wars. I would love to see Daredevil in Spiderman movies.

But these comments are not helping them. The possibilities of crossovers seems to be reduced.

At the least, we getting crossovers within TV. DD S2 seems to have confirmed a likely Luke Cage, JJ crossovers.
BlackPhillip
BlackPhillip - 12/6/2015, 5:27 PM
I'd keep them away from IW. You need powerful heroes to face against Thanos. These guys, along with Hawkeye and BW, would all be put down with just one slap from the mad titan.
sanyaya
sanyaya - 12/6/2015, 5:30 PM
So marvel biggest threat is marvel themselves. Yikes!
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 12/6/2015, 5:30 PM
Netflix is the second best thing that could ever happen to the MCU...

Chekkarma
Chekkarma - 12/6/2015, 5:30 PM
So they couldn't do some quick flashes of The Defenders fighting and saving people on the streets,while the Avengers battle Thanos??
Luigi
Luigi - 12/6/2015, 5:31 PM
I just want any kind of recognition from the movies that the show are canon. Mentioning the Hell's Kitchen bombings and the superhuman fish oil incident along with Hulk's rampages, Sakovia, etc. as reasons for the superhuman registration act seems like it would be simple enough.
Luigi
Luigi - 12/6/2015, 5:32 PM
@sanyaya You could call it "Marvel's Civil War".
HornySpidey
HornySpidey - 12/6/2015, 5:33 PM
@ Mrcool210

That would be cool. But they would need to battle worthy foes. Will Thanos come with an army? Or he is a lone wolf?

ATrueHero1987
ATrueHero1987 - 12/6/2015, 5:35 PM
Really for the IW movies I would be happy if ONE of the Defenders appear in it(I say Luke Cage...or DD)

I think it'd be much easier for them to appear in AOS
HornySpidey
HornySpidey - 12/6/2015, 5:36 PM
I hope Thanos works on his own, because it will be different from what we've seen inn the MCU.

But, with the idea of the defenders defending the streets from powerful Thanos followers would be just incredible.
FishyZombie
FishyZombie - 12/6/2015, 5:37 PM
it would cost a lot of money and scheduling issues to get every superhero into this movie. I hope it happens, at least Cox's near perfect Daredevil.
HornySpidey
HornySpidey - 12/6/2015, 5:38 PM
What if Thanos uses the mind gem on the Inhumans and control them to kill humanity?





Spideyshawn
Spideyshawn - 12/6/2015, 5:38 PM
Love the Netflix shows but lets be real.Kevin Feige isn't promoting an Ike perlmutter product.
Sephiroth
Sephiroth - 12/6/2015, 5:39 PM
I wouldn't be disappointed if any of the Defenders never show up in the films. The films and Netflix shows are great and can both thrive separately.
MrMartyMarvel
MrMartyMarvel - 12/6/2015, 5:40 PM
It's [frick]ing Perlmutter, isn't it? Or I guess because Netflix owns partial rights as well? Oh and...

@ELIMINATOR

DC SUCKZZZZZZZZ!!!

BawbScharf
BawbScharf - 12/6/2015, 5:40 PM
It is only a matter of time before Quake gets promoted to movie character. Chloe Bennet has been doing such a great job fleshing out the character, that I think the odds are quite good that, after Infinity Wars and AOS ends, she could very well be a staple of the Avengers team. I think, in time, we will see several television to film promotions ...mostly from the AOS cast at first because of being closely connected to the MCU. The Netflix series might be a longer time coming, but I once the Netflix series is finished, I can see Feige wanting to do a Daredevil film every few years. Same goes for Cage and Iron Fist.

Despite what is said above, I think we are going to get cinematic 'splash page' of the street level heroes holding down the fort in the second Infinity War film. I think if AOS do not appear in the movie, their series finale will most definitely tie into the film ...freeing up Chloe Bennet to be a movie star. #quakeforavengers4

...though I think that Coulson will get his baseball autographed somehow.
HornySpidey
HornySpidey - 12/6/2015, 5:40 PM
So much going on in the MCU. That's what I love about it.

TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 12/6/2015, 5:40 PM
Come on...



Kyos
Kyos - 12/6/2015, 5:41 PM
@ELIMINATOR

KillEmAll
KillEmAll - 12/6/2015, 5:41 PM
Oh don't be coy, for Thanos and the masters of evil their going too need everyone. Thanos, Loki, The Return of Red Skull, The Collector, Robin? And whoever else they can drum up.

VS.

The Avengers, New Avengers, The Defenders, Shield, Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel plus assorted allies.

It's going to be a cenematic battle field and I cannot wait.
KillEmAll
KillEmAll - 12/6/2015, 5:42 PM
And the Guardians****
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