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Don't Make The Avengers Movie!

James White of Total Film brings up some interesting thoughts regarding how bad this movie COULD be and suggests the project be terminated.
Citing and interview with Jon Faverau where Favs stated:

"It’s going to be hard, because I was so involved in creating the world of Iron Man and Iron Man is very much a tech-based hero, and then with Avengers you’re going to be introducing some supernatural aspects because of Thor...

How you mix the two of those works very well in comic books, but it’s going to take a lot of thoughtfulness to make that all work and not blow the reality that we’ve created."

In "The Ultimates" I wondered how they would resolve the issue of "Thor" considering the creators seemed to want to make the universe as grounded as possible. Eventually they declared he was in fact the Norse god of thunder. Personally I think this would work, but I HATE when Thor talks like he's in a Shakespeare play.

White also brought up another good point: What if Captain America sucks? Or Thor sucks? Or they both suck? Or if the leads are hated by fans? It can happen.

White's solution is to have them try to expand only where it fits, like making a movie with Iron Man and SHIELD, since they work together more easily. I don't share the author's pecismism BUT I already dislike a few elements about the upcoming movie. For instance I read recently in an article on CBM where one of the creative personell behind "Avengers" said something (he was talking about the possible exclusion of Hulk and how he may not be needed I think) about this movie focusing on these four main characters: Cap, Thor, Iron Man and Fury...but Fury is NOT an Avenger. He's more of a beurocrat. I hope they don't try to interject him further into it than he need be. I WOULD like to see the Hulk, and WOULD like to see a separate villian who could menace the team.

Anyway, just letting you guys know what others are saying.
3 Yes
25 No
TheDurkinKnight
10/22/2009
Total Film

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139 Comments

Right [frick] TOTAL FILM magazine!!

I'm never buying that magazine ever again!! ; )
LEEE777 - 10/22/2009, 1:18 PM
But they've got a point about [frick]ing FURY lol!!
LEEE777 - 10/22/2009, 1:19 PM
Thats a stupid bunch of points! If people "hate" one of the characters or actors, that doesnt mean they wont go and see The Avengers!!!

Besides, the way that things are shaping up so far I dont think any of these movies will suck! And if they do, just give that character a smaller part in The Avengers!
joshw24 - 10/22/2009, 1:23 PM
If they dont stick to the comic books it could get ugly.
thunderforce - 10/22/2009, 1:24 PM
I read this earlyer today....the guys a fricken idiot :(

But yeah im With LEEE on Fury :P
teabag - 10/22/2009, 1:32 PM
@ thunderforce: Too true my friend... Too true...
BmanHall - 10/22/2009, 1:32 PM
So what this assclown is saying is that he does not understand how they could make it worth watching so since he doesnt get it no one should attempt it.Now theres a man worth ignoring completely.
Hawksblueyes - 10/22/2009, 1:59 PM
So...basically this is an article that says: Look at all of the things that could possibly go wrong!

What a pessimist. There is nothing that suggests the movie would be bad yet. NOTHING. I hate people like this.

Let's start a forum to talk about nothing but all the things that could go wrong in all of the movies that we are all looking forward to! That would make everyone feel good, right.

I hate people like this that piss all over things with no reason...I can't believe I read the whole article.

My opinion and I'm sticking to it!
Bamf7 - 10/22/2009, 2:30 PM
I said this two weeks ago. The Avengers movie is like a house of cards. If they mess up Captain America or Thor it will be like someone yanking a card away form the bottom, and the whole thing will crumble.

The rest of the movie... that is, it's other constituent parts would all be piosoned.

There is a VAST array of things that could go wrong and ruin the entire thing.

So in this case pesssimism is a very realistic attitude.

I often refer to The Avengers movie as dreaming the impossible dream. But maybe... just maybe


DarthMulder - 10/22/2009, 2:35 PM
HULK SMASH DUMB WRITER MAN
ClintEastwood - 10/22/2009, 2:36 PM
Just because Fury is "putting the team together" doesn't make him an Avenger. The President is in charge of the military, but that doesn't make him a Marine. I see it as sort of like that. Plus this guy is a douche. I'm sure people thought the same thing with Ironman because it would need extensive CG, but I'm glad they made it. Same with all the other CBM. Sure some of them sucked and others were badass, but we won't know if they are good or not if they aren't made or seen.
Tobuttica - 10/22/2009, 2:40 PM
I'm never a fan on pessimism, especially when there are currently no signs that either of these movies will be bad. I bet this guy from total film was one of those guys who was crying about the world coming to an end when disney bought marvel.
thwhtGuardian - 10/22/2009, 2:41 PM
If they did it and it was awesome, wonderful, and superb it would be the greatest CBM of all time.
The KING of all comicbookmovies. The king of all superhero movies period.


But making a titanic effort and taking such a titanic risk can only have one of two VERY dramatic outcomes: either monumental success or monumental failure.


DarthMulder - 10/22/2009, 2:42 PM
@teabag couldnt say it better myself
tyko450 - 10/22/2009, 2:45 PM
So, it should be terminated because it COULD suck?... That's just [frick]ing dumb. And I'm sure they'll add the Hulk. They would be complete idiots if they didn't. Plus this is a Marvel movie. You really think they're going to [frick] it up like that? I wouldn't worry so much.
HeyVanity - 10/22/2009, 2:54 PM
I'd rather have a bad Avengers movie than none at all.


slimybug - 10/22/2009, 2:55 PM
I personally LOVE when Thor talks like he's in a Shakespearean play (being the theater geek I am). It shows that he is from olden times when people actually thought about what they said before they say it. It's just one of those little things that help make you believe he's a god.
SGA - 10/22/2009, 3:01 PM
@slimybug: Guys like you were the ones happy with the Wolverine movie
MultiPurposePoni - 10/22/2009, 3:07 PM
slimybug: exactly. saying to not make a movie b/c it could possibly suck is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. so what if it sucks? the FF sucked, did it kill cbm's? nope. better to have tried and failed then not tried at all. why do we see so many fans complaining about DC's lack of movies (flash, wonder woman, JL) b/c they don't seem to be even trying.
bw - 10/22/2009, 3:07 PM
This maybe be petty and off topic, but do you have spell check "the durkin knight"?
PopeBadass - 10/22/2009, 3:10 PM
Thor and Cap can't suck, they just can't. Just go the Ultimates way and things will be easy.
BryEL - 10/22/2009, 3:15 PM
Oh, I get it. There's a possibility the movie might suck so they should shouldn't even try. That's the dumbest reason on so many levels.

Just because someone thinks a movie sucks doesn't necessarily make it f*cking so. I happen to really like the Wolverine film but I know many did not. Does that make your opinion more valid then mine? The answer is a resounding no. I could not give a flying f*ck what peoples opinions of my opinions of movies are. I like what I like and you like what you like. We can discuss our reasons that form our opinions but the moment someone is insulted for having the opinion they have is the moment I say "see ya". That is also no reason why a movie should NOT be made. Make the movie as best you can. Effort will shine through.
Axl - 10/22/2009, 3:18 PM
BryEL: They should take an influence from the Ultimate Universe but I'd like to see the majority be classic Marvel!
joshw24 - 10/22/2009, 3:19 PM
There is no reason to believe that they WOULDN'T continue drawing from the Ultimates. If they follow that story line, The Avengers and the build up to it could be awesome
Banner123 - 10/22/2009, 3:23 PM
Banner123, what is your avatar? Post it. I can't quite make it out.
Axl - 10/22/2009, 3:26 PM
batman and robin is considered the worst cbm of all time. IT SUCKED! if everyone thought like thedurkinknight-Batman Begins and TDK would have never been made.
bw - 10/22/2009, 3:27 PM
Loki shuld be the villain in the avenges movie.He was the first villain the avengers faced as a team in the comics. they should probably throw abomination in there to just to give hulk some competition
Jp499 - 10/22/2009, 3:35 PM
hahaha @Banner that's probably the best avatar I've ever seen on here
HeyVanity - 10/22/2009, 3:38 PM
Fu-ck u sir!!! he prolly works for DC...and is pissed that they havent made an Archie movie as yet!!!!
Kes - 10/22/2009, 3:44 PM
I would rather they try then just call it off because quiting is easier than going on. Come on this is whats humans are all about taking risks and defing the odds.
Superman4 - 10/22/2009, 3:46 PM
HEY.............................................................................................................[frick] THIS GUY
MrAnonymous - 10/22/2009, 3:51 PM
@Jp499: Actually, the Hulk was the first Avengers villain.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/22/2009, 3:54 PM
BryEL @ KISS our A$$E$$!!

[frick] the Ultimate-verse!!!!
LEEE777 - 10/22/2009, 3:57 PM
TEA @ ; )
LEEE777 - 10/22/2009, 3:58 PM
First of all, whoever will be prducing this movie needs to think long and hard and realize this better be one of the best funded movies of all time. No shortcuts! Secondly, since the movie takes place in modern times, maybe The other avengers teach thor to talk like everone nowadays. This movie does need to be made and if ur scared of it flopping, get out of the way and let someone with balls take the helm!
jbender81 - 10/22/2009, 4:03 PM
ARSEFACE does not approve!!!



[frick] TOTAL FILM magazine!! : D
LEEE777 - 10/22/2009, 4:03 PM
What a cock!
TheColonel - 10/22/2009, 4:03 PM
Dumb f**k!
ASSASSIN666 - 10/22/2009, 4:10 PM
Actually he's an ASS!! : D
LEEE777 - 10/22/2009, 4:11 PM
LEE: God, I really didnt need a close up of Jason Lewis without make up! ;)
joshw24 - 10/22/2009, 4:11 PM
Why all the negative vibes ????
Gose - 10/22/2009, 4:16 PM


JASON LEWIS laughs at you @ JOSH!!!

; D
LEEE777 - 10/22/2009, 4:18 PM
GOSE @ You put a thumbs up, up there didn't you lol????
LEEE777 - 10/22/2009, 4:19 PM

Axl - 10/22/2009, 4:23 PM
He has a point. Obviously I don't think they should scrap the movie just in case the preceding ones suck, but are you all so SURE that they wont? Of course your not, because that would make you a time traveler wouldn't it? Its not about being an optimist or a pessimist its about being a realist. Cap and Thor are both extremely difficult characters to get right. Yes, so far things have looked rosey on Thor, solid, if untested, cast and a great director. What about Cap? The dude that directed Jurassic Park 3 and no cast announced..oh yeah, its definitely going to be awesome!

Look I hope and believe they will be good movies, but some of you guys need to prepare your fanboy psyche's for the possibility that they wont be.
Rorschach01 - 10/22/2009, 4:34 PM
It's possible an Avengers movie might be crap. It's just as likely it will be incredible and it's also as likely it will be mediocre. It's possible it can run the gamut of quality. This is the case for every and any movie. The Avengers is no different. What's your point?
Axl - 10/22/2009, 4:44 PM
There is the possability it will suck but i dont know about the rest of you guys but id rather spend the next 3-4 yrs being hyped then feeling unsure :P
teabag - 10/22/2009, 4:49 PM
just make the movie. if it sucks we'll just have to wait for a better one. at least they can learn from the mistakes they make. these movies are only getting better. it took a few batmans to get those right (excluding the burton films)
Torque - 10/22/2009, 4:49 PM
he's done some good movies too ror, if the cap is done like the rocketeer I think it'll be fine. He treated that source material really well so I think he'll do fine. But you're right it's impossible to know how they'll turn out. However I'm going to stay positive until I've seen otherwise. So far we've seen nothing so all we're left with then is the promise of greatness.
thwhtGuardian - 10/22/2009, 4:49 PM
I'm gonna keep plastering this until I get some support! LMAO!

BRENDAN FEHR FOR CAP!

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Gideon - 10/22/2009, 4:56 PM
Well, James White of Total Film can't imagine how it will work, so I guess it just wont. I guess this is why James White works for Total Film and isn't directing movies. Fukcing moron.
gtrman - 10/22/2009, 5:03 PM
Yeah I agree with gtrman, why even listen to some guy from Total Film, he's probably jealous he's never been asked to do something that big. The problems have been reseolved before and its not very difficult for a proffesional writer to figure out. If Avengers sucks it sucks, big deal. Theres a gamble with every comic book movie made, a lot of them suck and a lot of them dont. Marvel's been doing great so far so lets see how they do. And if Thor and Cap are shit, which I highly doubt, then thats ok because Avengers may be the big sorry. :) It's more than 3 years away, stop worrying.
Ryden - 10/22/2009, 5:19 PM
Someone get Gideon and Brendan Fehr a room :D
teabag - 10/22/2009, 5:29 PM
you fagget, how can you say Thor and Cap are gonna suck ! ... As for Avengers who knows what storyline there going to come up with, stop depressing everone before the Film is even out yet, im Never buying the Magazine AGAIN ! [frick] YOU !
FrankCastle1 - 10/22/2009, 5:45 PM
@ axl... Not really sure how to post pics on the comments. Anyone know how that can help?
Banner123 - 10/22/2009, 5:51 PM
@teabag-I was just about to say the same thing LOL
Ryden - 10/22/2009, 5:54 PM
Banner@ There are a couple of ways to post pics but this is how i do it........

save pics to your documents then go to the member area, click my articles..click new articles...there you will see in blue embed images...click that then from there you can download your pics....then copy and past the code to an article . Hope that helps :)

Ryden @ :D
teabag - 10/22/2009, 6:16 PM
the only way its gonna suck is if they "ultimize" it anymore.
scarecr0w13 - 10/22/2009, 6:26 PM
Wow, glad this got so many responses. Okay, I'm glad ALMOST no one shot the messenger, but to the two people who addressed me directly:

@Popebadass...yes I have spellcheck, but I was too lazy to use it. I only have it on Microsoft...is there a way to turn it on always?

@BW...settle down dude, I never said this movie shouldn't be made, I wrote an article that merely told CBM readers what the article in Total Film said. Obviousely it was worth writing about because it got so many responses!
TheDurkinKnight - 10/22/2009, 7:07 PM
Nobody cares of what james white is saying, so f*ck him !!!
FifthSun - 10/22/2009, 7:29 PM
So just to be clear. We hate this jack @ss from Total Films and for once are all pretty much in agreement on this point. RED LETTER DAY.
weapon925 - 10/22/2009, 7:30 PM
whoa, what a douche!! Marvel will do their properties right.
LEEE- you should photoshop arseface into the cap mask

Banner123- We COULD help you out, but some of us are tools that want Ackles for cap... so =p
verbicide - 10/22/2009, 8:05 PM
all the more reason i'm glad faverau isn't involved in the avengers movie: lack of vision...let louis letterrier do it for pete's sake!
MisterUnderhill - 10/22/2009, 8:23 PM
Will Arnet for Hank Pym, please.

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MovieTheaterLad - 10/22/2009, 8:36 PM
Letterrier is awesome. He has a passion to want to make an Incredible Hulk sequel, yet Marvel won't give him the ok. I would be all for it to see him direct Avengers movie. I think Avengers will be a success as long as they follow as close to the comic book as possible. If thor is a success like Ironman or even Wolverine or slightly better ($200mil), as well a Cap. as a forerunner, then Avengers will likely succeed in the $300-$400million range. We have already come this far with both Ironman and Hulk introducing the Avengers mission.
Hulk2008 - 10/22/2009, 8:41 PM
avengers movie will be great, they should have cap america thor spidy wolverine iron man, and whoever else this movie will be awesome.
thegamedrex - 10/22/2009, 8:41 PM
@thegamedrex

Unfortunately, Marvel doesn't own the movie rights to Spidey or X-Men, so that ain't happening.

I'm assuming it's going to kinda play out a bit like The Ultimates or something similar.
MovieTheaterLad - 10/22/2009, 8:49 PM
@ multi

actually, loki WAS the first avengers villain. they fought hulk, yes, but hulk was being controlled by loki.
CorndogBurglar - 10/22/2009, 9:03 PM
HULK SMASH LOKI
ClintEastwood - 10/22/2009, 9:04 PM
@cdb: Very true. But the individual heroes didn't band together to fight Loki, even though he was behind the Hulk's destruction. It was only after fighting the Hulk that they realized Loki was behind the attacks to gain revenge on Thor.

Forgive me for not expanding on this earlier.

That being said, I think the movies should definitely be based on the first Avengers comics (with a bit of tweaking of course).

1) Thor movie culminates with a bitter Loki seeking revenge on Thor and stumbles upon the Hulk.

2) Avengers 1 shows Iron Man, Thor, Ant Man and the Wasp banding together to fight the Hulk (under Loki's control) and being defeated. Enter Captain America for the final showdown between Hulk and Loki. But Cap isn't the definitive 'leader' of the team.

3) Avengers 2 has the now established team face off against the Sub Mariner. Cap steps up as the official Avengers' leader.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/22/2009, 9:25 PM
@ multi

okay, they were shared villains!

i agree with your plan for the avengers, but i think antman should be giant man. it would just be a little less goofy and hokey. for the sequel i would rather them fight ultron or zemo. sub mariner should be in a fantastic four movie. i wonder who owns his rights? either way i don't like sub mariner, he's such a whiny bitch. even if he can kick some ass
CorndogBurglar - 10/22/2009, 9:55 PM
DON'T JUDGE UNTIL THE DAM MOVIES COME OUT, HONESTLLY MARVEL IS THINKING THIS STUFF WAY BEFORE WE THOUGHT THIS..YOUR NOT THE MOST SUCCESSFUL COMIC BRAND FOR THIS LONG FOR NOTHING..AVENGERS WILL WORK BECAUSE ITS A JOINING OF MULTI FRANCHISES..HELL, THE WORLD HAS ONLY SEEN MASH UPS OF 2 FRANCHISES,NOTHING OVER 2..THIS IS SOMETHING PEOPLE WLL SEE.
GUNSMITH - 10/22/2009, 9:55 PM
Man, I don’t know if that new Thai place down town might suck I better not go and even try it.

My boss may fire me at work today, I better call in sick.

I won a free all expenses paid vacation to a nudist resort for supermodels, but the plane might crash over Fiji, I better not go.

I could drive to town and go shopping, but I might get a ticket; better stay home.

I could do something in my yard, but I might be killed by a falling tree limb.

I’m hungry, but I might catch the house on fire, better not eat.

I need to get up, but the floor is cold. I better stay in bed all day.

I have to breathe, but I might inhale Swine Flu, aw [frick] it, better just lay here and suffocate.

Movie might suck, better not make it.

WHAT KIND OF [frick]ING AGORAPHOBIC REASONING IS THIS SHIT?! This is the stupidest argument against making a film I have ever heard in my life. Jesus, any film could be bad. Any book might be stupid. Any song could have awful lyrics, but none of that has ever stopped someone at least trying to do something. I can’t believe White's editor at Total Film even let him go to print with an article like that. What a dumbass.

nerosday - 10/22/2009, 9:59 PM
HENRY PYM AND WASP COULD BE INTRODUCED IN AN UPCOMING MARVEL MOVIE TO SIDESTEP FROM MAKING HIS OWN PICTURE..SCIENTIST WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT..SOUNDS LIKE CAP TO ME
GUNSMITH - 10/22/2009, 10:01 PM
@CDB: I don't want to see Ultron anywhere NEAR the first couple of Avengers movies. They could hint at it (like the S.Q.U.I.D. logo in Watchmen), but that's about it for me. Ultron is too much, too soon.

Sub Mariner wouldn't work as a solo movie IMO. But The Avengers is the perfect team to fight him, not the FF. I never liked seeing the FF fighting him, it seems silly. Johnny would be soaking wet, the Thing would sink to the bottom of the ocean, and Sue would. . . turn invisible? That leaves Mister Fantastic to elongate his penis enough to f*ck himself before he drowns.

Oh, and Hank Pym SHOULD be Ant Man first. Here's my take on it: Pym works for S.H.I.E.L.D. as a scientist on the Super Soldier program when he discovers Pym's Particles and their ability to shrink. Fury thinks it's a ridiculous pursuit and not applicable to the project. When Iron Man and Thor respond to the Hulk's destruction, Pym secretly assumes the Ant Man persona to prove to Fury that it's a great discovery. He realizes how useless it is when he goes up against the Hulk with the rest of the team. He gets laughed out of the SS program. It's THEN that he manipulates the particles to become Giant Man.

* If you've ever invented something, you know how much of a kick in the nuts it is for someone else to tell you it's useless. THAT'S what makes Pym important. . his attempts to prove himself and his discovery as benefits to the team.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/22/2009, 10:03 PM
Multi- Think Goodfellas "Your're a funny guy"
ASSASSIN666 - 10/22/2009, 10:21 PM
@ASSASSIN: I'm funny how? Funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to f*ckin' amuse you?
MultiPurposePoni - 10/22/2009, 10:33 PM
Lets me see if I got this right:

Since there are so many moving parts there is a higher chance that one or more of those parts may fail so they shouldn't take the chance that it might just work out alright and instead should just not make the Avengers film at all.

What a buttmunch. Instead of "Total Film" it should be "Total Wuss".

and I'm in agreement with Multi. Ant Man and Wasp should be in there. If you're going to do an Avengers film it should be the original Avengers by films end......ALL OF THEM. There's no reason not to follow the original outline for Avengers #1-4 where they come together to battle the Hulk, then realize they were duped and join with him to defeat Loki (or whomever the film makers substitute), by films end you can have the Hulk leaving and Cap unthawed.

I do think that with that powerhouse group the villain will have to be more than just Loki. Perhaps Loki can put together a "Masters of Evil" type of group.
niknik - 10/22/2009, 10:53 PM
Well im sure you people will find something to bitch about. >:( I mean it's just a movie with some of the greatest super heroes. How can you find falt in a movie like that? Hey and if it sucks then you people can bitch about it and then the'll make a stupid remake. So it's a win win.
Logan-X - 10/22/2009, 11:14 PM
And then you can come on here and bitch about the people bitching. I just KNEW you were destined for greatness!
MultiPurposePoni - 10/22/2009, 11:51 PM
Logan-X- I'm bitching about your spelling! Multi- You're a real funny guy!
ASSASSIN666 - 10/23/2009, 12:38 AM


Fricking Total BS Magzine
hawkngo - 10/23/2009, 2:13 AM
Total film is written by retards for retards! Empire magazine all the way people!
wards - 10/23/2009, 3:24 AM
Please guys tell me you are joking about louis letterrier. Transporter was good, and the university scene in hulk rocked but blow for blow Favreau wins hands down in the vision department. Not that I want him to direct the Avengers movie.

I wouldnt mind though if the Avengers only consists of The Trinity as much as a love hulk I prefer him untamed
breakUbatman - 10/23/2009, 4:48 AM
With the best in comic story making, and the best in film making, and the fact that they're taking their time to make sure they cross their T's and dot their I's. I don't think they'll go wrong.
MIDAS - 10/23/2009, 6:47 AM
I always get a chuckle when someone argues about realism when talking about comicbook heros... Someone needs to tell him Iron Man is not real.
IsaiahBradley - 10/23/2009, 7:37 AM
There are enough classic Avengers stories in print. It's already storyboarded, all that's needed is to flesh it out some and get the cameras rolling. I'm withholding judgment on any Avengers movie until I hear a lot more about the cast involved and the story. It's way, way too early to fuss over things right now. As for these film magazines, I pay very little regard to them. They're out to sensationalize and exaggerate things to sell magazines, not accurately report real news.

And Isaiah, I couldn't agree more. IF you want realism, watch a documentary. We're talking about a guy with a suit of armor who flies and shoots repulser blasts from his hands, a living, breathing Norse god, a soldier from WW2 who was frozen on ice and revived many years later with no side effects, and a guy who was blasted with gamma radiation and instead of being killed by it, it makes him very strong and green when he gets angry. How "realistic" is any of that? A little suspension of disbelief is all that's needed to enjoy a comic book or a comic book-inspired movie. Let your imagination free, along with your inner child, who just accepts these things as true because the storyteller says it is.
comicb00kguy - 10/23/2009, 7:37 AM
CAP IS THE "AVENGERS FILM" I'M NERVOUS ABOUT. I THINK THOR WILL HUGELY SUCCEED B/C OF LOTR BEING SO POPULAR. BUT CAP? IDK I AINT ALL ABOUT "THE ROCKETEER" LIKE Y'ALL I THINK THIS MOVIE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE THE "UNSUCCESSFUL" ONE
dellamorte1872 - 10/23/2009, 8:12 AM
I totaly think they need to have Hank Pym and Wasp in Avengers.
I have this growing fear that they won't, though.

Man ill tell you what.. I sure do wish I had a time machine. I want to zip forward a couple of years and see what this baby is like lol
DarthMulder - 10/23/2009, 8:25 AM
@ logan x

what do you mean "you people"?
CorndogBurglar - 10/23/2009, 8:43 AM
Why cant they just adapt the Avengers to suit heros already out and a couple future ones.

Spider Man
Wolverine
Hulk
Iron Man
Thor
Capt America
Black Widow


Screw Ant man he is stupid

They should make a team that’s dark, called like Dark Vengence or Hard Justice or something.
Punisher
Blade
Wolverine
Venom
Black Widow
War Machine
Ect...
blee947 - 10/23/2009, 8:47 AM
Why cant they just adapt the Avengers to suit heros already out and a couple future ones.

Spider Man
Wolverine
Hulk
Iron Man
Thor
Capt America
Black Widow


Screw Ant man he is stupid

They should make a team that’s dark, called like Dark Vengence or Hard Justice or something.
Punisher
Blade
Wolverine
Venom
Black Widow
War Machine
Ect...
blee947 - 10/23/2009, 8:52 AM
As long as they dont make Hulk the villain of the whole movie i'll be happy, they need to learn that Hulk isn't a villain he is a hero, go with the original plot of the first comic with Loki controlling Hulk and such because if Loki wasn't there. There wouldn't be much reason for Thor to join the team permanantly. Through Cap in there and have Hulk join mid-movie and you'v got a hit.
Ryden - 10/23/2009, 8:57 AM
@blee- theres already a team like that called Marvel Knights, short lived but not a bad read
Ryden - 10/23/2009, 8:58 AM
@ logan x

what do you mean "you people"?
CorndogBurglar - 10/23/2009, 9:21 AM
@ blee

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they can't put spidey and wolvie in it. and dark vengeance?? hard justice??? those sound like stephen seagal movies, lol. you forgot, "Out for Just Ice"
CorndogBurglar - 10/23/2009, 9:24 AM
blee@ Hard Justice sound like whats happens to pretty boy theives in jail lol :P
teabag - 10/23/2009, 9:41 AM
um these are superheros so who cares when the characters a all thrown into one film it could work
BossWalsh - 10/23/2009, 9:50 AM
@ boss

they can't put spidey and wolvie in because sony and fox owns the movie rights for them, not marvel.
CorndogBurglar - 10/23/2009, 9:56 AM
@ ryden

marvel knights were never an actual team of those characters though. it was just another imprint, like MAX. there was never a super team of punisher, moon knight etc.
CorndogBurglar - 10/23/2009, 9:58 AM
What's the point in making ANY comic based movies if you aren't willing to take a risk like the Avengers! Yes, it could turn out badly, but if Batman hadn't been made, we wouldn't have been put through Batman and Robin. We also would not have film GOLD like the Batman Begins and the DARK KNIGHT!!!! MAke the f'n MOVIE!!! Take a RISK!!! If the movie turns out badly, then anyone who (producer, writer, director) paid any attention to it will know what NOT to do if they try again. Make the movie.
Wesley Colvin - 10/23/2009, 10:03 AM
lol @ Corndogburgler

I don't need Spidey or Wolverine in Avengers. There are plenty of great classic Avengers characters to fill out the roster.

One thing about the whole Wasp/Giant Man deal, I can't say I blame anyone for wanting them to be excluded. I can't for the life of me think of a way to make shrinking and growing large "realistic". Or Wasp stings or The Wasp's wings... man that astuff would be really tough to translate.

Two ways that they could do it would be to make Pym and/ or Van Dyne either mutates or just straight up mutants.
Or there's the idea of quantum displacement, but that would only cover the shrinking, not the enlarging.

I think they could make it work, but it wouldn't be easy.
DarthMulder - 10/23/2009, 10:10 AM
they better include WASP + ANT-MAN...NOT ONLY IS IT FACTUAL TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL. BUT I WANNA SEE ULTRON AND HAWKEYE IN AVENGERS 2
dellamorte1872 - 10/23/2009, 10:23 AM
@ mulder

yeah, i souldn't want spidey or wolvie anywhere near it either. i know they are in "new avengers", but that comic couldn't be any further from the way the avengers should be.

also, people can't complain about wasp and giant man being unrealistic when they have a norse god that shoots lightning and can bench press a building. i think pym and van dyne would be very easy to include, personally. they can already be scientists working for shield.
CorndogBurglar - 10/23/2009, 11:18 AM
I'll show this to you again:

Hank Pym SHOULD be Ant Man first. Here's my take on it: Pym works for S.H.I.E.L.D. as a scientist on the Super Soldier program when he discovers Pym's Particles and their ability to shrink. Fury thinks it's a ridiculous pursuit and not applicable to the project. When Iron Man and Thor respond to the Hulk's destruction, Pym secretly assumes the Ant Man persona to prove to Fury that it's a great discovery. He realizes how useless it is when he goes up against the Hulk with the rest of the team. He gets laughed out of the SS program. It's THEN that he manipulates the particles to become Giant Man.

* If you've ever invented something, you know how much of a kick in the nuts it is for someone else to tell you it's useless. THAT'S what makes Pym important. . his attempts to prove himself and his discovery as benefits to the team.

Remember, no Pym = no Ultron. Unless they do the cop out and make Tony Stark it's creator.
MultiPurposePoni - 10/23/2009, 12:05 PM
An Avengers movie won't work.
Too many strong characters all in one team, never works in the movies. Personally, I think that's the reason the X-Men movies and Fantastic Four movies, were not as good as they could have been. In the movies, they always have to take the time to develop the characters somewhat (even if they've already had their own picture), each character has to have some sub-plot happening as well. It's just too much for one movie to do well. It worked in the Watchmen movie somewhat, because most of the characters were killed off fairly early on, so they could focus on a few characters. Also, it would be difficult to provide villains (with their own stories) which would require a team like the Avengers to handle.

Spider-Man 3 is also a great example of having too many characters to deal with, which makes for a poor movie.

They should scrap the Avengers idea altogether and just focus on making good individual movies.
hescian - 10/23/2009, 12:20 PM
@hescian: Ummm. . . that's why Thor, Captain America, Iron Man 1/2 and the Incredible Hulk will all be released before an Avengers movie.

Individual character development solved. Anything else?
MultiPurposePoni - 10/23/2009, 12:27 PM
The Avengers film will be fine as long as there's no alien invansion. I hate that crap, it's been done. Way to many villians they can use. There is absolutely no reason to hold back on anything. Make it happen Marvel-Disney whatever the hell they're called!
hewilldefytheirgravity - 10/23/2009, 12:33 PM
Corndog, I truly truly honestly wish you were the one making the decisions for this movie. I know that if it was you I would have nothing to worry about at all.

@ Multi: same to you. Love the scenario, I think it's perfect. But unfortunately good taste and creative vision is something that is often in short supply in good old Hollywood
DarthMulder - 10/23/2009, 12:45 PM
Awwww he must not like the pressure of making actual GOOD movies! If the singular character movies are up to "Iron Man" calibre, then there will be no problem. It will bump the avengers movie up to epic ticket sales. No big wup! Quit shaking in your boots and makes some great movies!

On the subject of Thor, everyone seems to dislike shakespearian Thor. Is anyone worried that Branaugh (heavily schooled in Shakespear) is going to make Thor go "Thee and thau" on everyone? I think he might!
Betty - 10/23/2009, 12:54 PM
James White IS AN A.S.S.H.O.L.E.
OSCURO - 10/23/2009, 12:55 PM
ANT MAN is not stupid, he create ULTRON.
OSCURO - 10/23/2009, 12:57 PM
@ Betty: Well here's the thing man. Thor doesn't come from 17th century England, so why should he talk like it? That's one school of thought.

Then there is the other side, that says that the movie should honor the classic Thor, and so it needs to depict Thor speaking Shakespearean/King James Version English.

me? Im cool either way. Either way would be fine as far as I am concerned.
DarthMulder - 10/23/2009, 1:35 PM
Pym and the Wasp HAVE to be there dammit! I'm a little nervous about it, but with Favreau involved as an exec producer, my mind is eased a bit more.
JonF - 10/23/2009, 2:21 PM
VERB @ I wish i knew how to do that lol, i so would!! ; D
LEEE777 - 10/23/2009, 2:37 PM
JONF @ HELL YEAH!!!

JAN & HANK a must!!!
LEEE777 - 10/23/2009, 2:38 PM
Poni: You have some interesting ideas, my friend. I like the whole idea of setting up Pym as Ant-Man. This is something that non-comic audiences could follow, but isn't so insulting to the books that an old fan like myself would be offended by it. You also have a nice setup to bring in Giant Man.

You're also right that Hank Pym is crucial if we want to see Ultron. We should see the original version of Ultron in the film, and leave him getting ready to turn as the movie ends, setting us up for the second film.
comicb00kguy - 10/23/2009, 5:01 PM
@comicb00kguy: Thanks! But I want to leave Ultron for Avengers 3. Here's what I posted before about the Avengers movie continuum:

1) Thor movie culminates with a bitter Loki seeking revenge on Thor and stumbles upon the Hulk.

2) Avengers 1 shows Iron Man, Thor, Ant Man and the Wasp banding together to fight the Hulk (under Loki's control) and being defeated. Enter Captain America for the final showdown between Hulk and Loki. Ant Man becomes Giant Man, the Hulk gets released from Loki's control. Cap isn't the definitive 'leader' of the team.

3) Avengers 2 has the now established team face off against the Sub Mariner. Iron Man still wants to lead the team, but his tech is no match for the King of Atlantis. Cap steps up as the official Avengers' leader. Ends with Pym activating Ultron against Nick Fury's orders.

4) Avengers 3: Ultron

*Sub Mariner wouldn't work as a solo movie IMO. But The Avengers is the perfect team to fight him, not the FF. I never liked seeing the FF fighting him, it seemed silly. Johnny would be soaking wet, the Thing would sink to the bottom of the ocean, and Sue would. . . turn invisible? That leaves Mister Fantastic to elongate his penis enough to f*ck himself before he drowns.



MultiPurposePoni - 10/23/2009, 5:35 PM
Spot on with the FF plot multi. Namor always makes for a great villain more so then when he's a hero. I'd love to see him speaking on the floor of the UN being denied his concessions and then storming out whilst vowing vengeance.
thwhtGuardian - 10/23/2009, 7:03 PM
nah dude. ULTRON AND HAWKEYE FOR 2. THE 3RD SHOULD HAVE KANG THE CONQUEROR. KANG GOES BACK IN TIME, A LA STAR TREK REBOOT LOL. KANG TRIES TO ENSURE THAT THE AVENGERS NEVER COME TO BE. HE WANTS TO CHANGE THE TIME-LINE. SENDING THE TEAM BACK IN TIME, TO MEET UP WITH NAMOR TO HELP QUELL KANG'S PERVERTION OF TIME. SHIT NAMOR COULD BE THE "VILLIAN" AT FIRST WITH KANG UNTIL HE SEES THE ERROR OF HIS WAYS AND HELPS THE AVENGERS DEFEAT HIM. NAMOR WANTS HIS KINGDOM TO EXCEL BUT THEN HE COULD FIND OUT IF KANG'S PLAN SUCCEEDS, NAMOR'S PEOPLE WILL BE BRUTALLY SLAUGHTERED INTO EXTINCTION IN THE FUTURE.
dellamorte1872 - 10/23/2009, 7:30 PM
WwhtGuardian: NOW you're tracking my friend :)

@della: Kang. . . Really?

1992 Marvel masterpieces common card #044 Kang The conqurer Pictures, Images and Photos

Hell no!
MultiPurposePoni - 10/23/2009, 9:08 PM
lol I had that card!
thwhtGuardian - 10/23/2009, 9:12 PM
I still have it :) All three full series
MultiPurposePoni - 10/23/2009, 9:39 PM
HULK SMASH PUNY MAN!
ClintEastwood - 10/23/2009, 9:40 PM
he's a lil odd, but he's crazy powerful and he has the time travel thing thats so popular these days
dellamorte1872 - 10/23/2009, 9:56 PM
@della: So. . . we as fans should forget the story that makes sense to pander to popularity?
MultiPurposePoni - 10/23/2009, 10:27 PM
HULKOUT TAKING AVATAR TOO SERIOUSLY
MultiPurposePoni - 10/23/2009, 11:33 PM
I understand what he's saying, but at the same time [frick] that shit.
JigJRod55 - 10/24/2009, 12:13 AM
haha Kang, as a character, has the potential to be a good villian. Just ditch the lame costume, give his character a bit more depth and... MAYBE you got a decent enemy for the team to fight.
Shadowelfz - 10/24/2009, 9:53 AM
they always update the costume and as far as depth? i'm sure if they set him up as the "main" nemesis in the film he'll be given depth.
dellamorte1872 - 10/24/2009, 11:27 AM
lol it looks like he got his head caught in a waffle iron.
thunderforce - 10/24/2009, 11:27 AM
If the world was full of people like him we wouldn't have half the movies or acting legends we have today, if any! Imagine what would happen...

Nolans batman - People didn't like the last one. Let's not bother making it then.

Result: one of the best Batman incarnations we've seen.

Godfather - Are people really wanting to see fresh faced Pachino as a mafia boss? (A question actually asked by the casting team) Best re-cast him!

Result: Pachino has set the benchmark for Mafia bosses and is now a screen legend.

Shawshank Redemption - It didn't do very well at box office, best not release it on DVD.

Result: One of best selling and most critically acclaimed DVD's of all time.


Yes, the Avengers could go tits up but is that reason to scrap it?
Howlett04 - 10/24/2009, 12:42 PM
della - I agree, Kang is a good choice! There were a lot of great stories featuring him! Using him would open up the door to a lot of potential plots that couldn't be done otherwise!
JonF - 10/24/2009, 1:38 PM
in the end i would think, on the screen right now, as far as MY AVENGERS ROSTER IS RATIONALIZED

CAP
IRON MAN
THOR
BLACK WIDOW (2)
HAWKEYE (2)
NAMOR (3)
ANT-MAN
WASP

WITH THE HULK ONLY IN AVENGERS 1 JUST LIKE THE "ORIGINAL" LINE-UP
dellamorte1872 - 10/24/2009, 4:32 PM
2- ULTRON (INTRO. THE IDEA IN THE FIRST MOVIE, SO IT SHOWS PROGRESSION)
3- KANG
dellamorte1872 - 10/24/2009, 7:17 PM
love the pessimism view you bring to 2? light but as we see c/ it it should be b? eazy 2 add other members without top actors example:i.e. wolverine & spiderman could show up in their costumes so it does not need to be Jackman & Maguire this should defuse an already stressful situation but avengers (MOVIE)needs to be big even GIant!!! this is 1 direction we do not see any one taking.

wolverine has been rated #1 for many of the years he has been around, been in 4 banked movies without wearin the suit everyone knows and loves. give it up, , , PLEASE
C4 - 10/25/2009, 1:04 PM
venom,venom could make his comeback
venom vs avengers

think about it during the cap &thor movies you have s.h.e.i.l.d recive reports of the ink blot that wont stop.

in the avengers movie he can go as far as killing wolverine & taking on the hulk.

just a thought. 4b
C4 - 10/25/2009, 1:12 PM
JUST FOCAS ON THE MAIN AVENGERS SO IF CAP SUKS SO IF THOR SUCKS THEY CAN IMPRVE THEM BY THE AVENGERS
skmaster - 10/27/2009, 1:36 PM
total film suck my D*** the avengers is going to come out and be the best f***ing film of the decade
Dave19 - 10/29/2009, 2:09 AM

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