Shawn Levy Praises Ryan Gosling For His Crucial Role In The MCU Ghost Rider Reboot

@FireGunn - He's made an awful lot of entertainment that general audiences have really loved, and made a ton of money. Fair enough that he's not your taste, but the guy knows what he's doing.

@FireGunn - What an incredibly pretentious thing to say. You mean the GA who doesn't go premptively looking to hate everything before it even gets made? Yeah, I'm sure they do.

It's unhealty giving yourself ulcers, judging art on what you assume will be created, rather than waiting until you see the piece itself.

The thing about art is, you don't have to like (or understand) it all. You can just decide not to go see it. But you'd be a fool towrite off Picasso, solely based his blue period, because you'd miss out on his cubist period.

- See, I can be pretentious too.

@blitzburgh - I rebooted your mom's ass

@FireGunn - According to you, they're slop. To the vast majority of people who helped those movies become the highest grossing of all-time, they're not. It's subjective. Again, Nicolò Paganini might not be your jam, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a gifted violinist.

Proclaiming anything that doesn't suit your sensibilities to be bad, and talking down about or insulting the people who don't share your opinions, is the iherently bad kind of pretentiousness.

@FireGunn - I think it was a well produced film on all fronts. I don't love it, but It certainly connected with an audience. It gave them exactly what they wanted and left them satisfied with a fun experience at the movies.

Don't forget, the guy stepped into a frachise that had 2 really successful entries before he became involved. He was then charged with integrating that franchise into an even larger franchise which by any metric, has its own distinct sensibilities. Style wise, it meshed with the existing Deapool movies, while threading the needle into the MCU.

Whether or not you or I were big fans of it, He achieved the desired goals of both audience, and studio. So yeah, I think he did his job well.

@FireGunn - See, you're basing the quality of the film on just the opinion of one single person. Giving an audience what it wants, does in fact make it a good movie. He understood the assignment. For example, you talk about fan service, as if it's the easy answer or a cheap gimick. Yet, on almost every article on almost every property, you're one of the loudest people complaining when your own fandom is not being served. "Reboot this or that", simply because you didn't get what you yourself wanted.

As for no distinct voice or direction, you're absolutely wrong. It looks and sounds exactly like a Deadpool movie. Iron Man 3 looked and felt very much like a Shane black (arguably a great and distinct writer / director in his own right)movie, and people railed against it. Marvel took the hint. One of the most successful directors of his generation, Ron Howard has no distinct style of his own. If you saw one of his movies without knowing he made it, you'd probably not think of his name first. His choices serve only the project he's currently making. That's called a Journeyman Director.

And people absolutely still talk about Deadpool and Wolverine. Just look, you and I are, right now. And yep, "clap like seals" the audience surely did. Mission acomplished. And no, not "any director could have acheived that. How many directors have stepped into remarkably successful franchises for a sequel and had it fall flat? For example,John Boorman on Exorcist 2, or any of the directors who followed Speilberg on Jaws, Michael Rymer on Queen of the Damned. Even Noam Murro on 300: Rise of an Empore

Again, it's totally legit that you didn't enjoy the movie - as I said, I don't love it either. But there's no dismissing its achievements or denying how many people liked it. Of Course, Disney is in it to make money... They're a corporation just like any other. Their product relies on how many people consume it. If it doesn't make money, they stop making product. Not a single studio is any different. Not a single artist in any medium is above that. Any and all art is creatid with finding an audience in mind. If people only made art to satify their own creative urges, they'd do it in their living rooms and not worry about finding distribution or production capital. But instead, filmmakers want to make movies rather tha say, sell insurance for a living, so they work with or try to get the studios to back them and hope an audience responds well.

@Patient2670 - This is the guy you're hyping up.

Deadpool and Wolverine
Free Guy
Real Steel
Night at the Museum
Night at the Museum 2
The Adam Project

Good lord... Again, enjoy your safe, barely serviceable, sauceless, directionless Ghost Rider movie. But maybe you will. After all, you judge film based off how many people clap at it for its jingling keys and not its actual quality.

@Patient2670 - I could easily debunk all of this, but I really don't feel like wasting my time. When you stop conflating audience appeal and commercial success to quality is when I'll take your film opinions serious. The audience buying tickets doesn't prove the script is good. "When it comes to art of any kind "actual quality" is purely subjective" plot holes that break your film are not subjective.

"And again, let's be honest here, there's no version of this where you don't end up seeing Ghost Rider. How's that for Pavlovian? You want to hate it so bad, you've already decided that no matter what, it'll be terrible, and you're praying for it to fail... But, it's a comic book movie, so you won't be able to keep yourself from watching."

Just know none of this is true. I never said the movie would be bad, nor did I say I hated it. For all I know, Levy can somehow break out his true hidden talent. I just believe that Shawn Levy is a God awful director and the wrong choice for the film and I'm allowed to believe that. His best film, Real Steel, is filmed like how a 10 year old understands film. Deadpool and Wolverine was so obviously shot on a soundstage and he didn't even bother to hide it. Being a journeyman director doesn't absolve you from criticism. The Russo Bros are journeyman directors and I'd say they're far better, despite my criticisms of them.

"That doesn't mean they're bad directors."

What do you think makes someone a bad director? I'm actually curious because the logical conclusion to your relativist mindset is that there's no such thing and if you believe that we can end the conversation here.

@Patient2670 - "If you could debunk any of what I've said, you already would have"

I could have, I just choose not to as our understanding of film is incredibly different. There's no point in having that conversation. I couldn't care less about how you couldn't care less.

"Tell me, have you ever worked on a movie? Been on a real set?. If no, then you won't understand any of it. And I wouldn't want to waste your time."

Nope. Have you? Why is this relevant?

@Patient2670 - What sets have you worked on and what job specifically? What movies? Surely you'll pop up on google right?

"It's relevant because of a practical comprehension of how films and series are made and released. So, yeah, I'll agree that our understanding of film Is,actually "incredibly different"."

This is irrelevant because I never talked about how films are released and made. Shawn Levy is an efficient studio filmmaker and I never denied that. You're also doing the appeal to authority fallacy. Do you need to be as good as a chef as Gordon Ramsay to know how to make food? Do you need to be as good as an NBA player as LeBron to know that Ben Simmons can't shoot? Do you need to be as good a musician as Mozart to recognize that a song is terrible? No? So why is your irrelevant position relevant to this conversation?

@Patient2670 - I'm done with the convo but just know appeal to authority is a terrible way to formulate an argument

@Patient2670 - Can't wait for the trailer to release lol

@Patient2670 - We are done. That wasn't apart of the argument

@FireGunn - she's dead, how'd that go freak

@MarvelousMarty - well damn

@BiffDitko - OMG! Yes! Yes! I think the whole movie should be in the 70s.

@PapaBear562 -
@victheman

They.could set the whole thing in the 70s and have a sequel in modern day considering Blaze is inhabited by a demon. Probably wouldn't age normally.
I also want to see Gosling rocking some SERIOUS side-burns.
I mean they did the Daredevil Stunt rider in the first one but that whole thing is SO 70s. There's not Daredevil Stuntmwn anymore, maybe Johnny Knoxville but he even quit bc he's too old and beat up.
Setting it in the 70s would be a great start. And I REALLY REALLY HOPE Sascha Cohen comes back as Mephisto, for real this time. Such a fantastic choice for Ol' Scratch and they BARELY used him.
I also want it to be funny. Not a comedy, but a dude with a flaming skull face writes some great jokes all on it's own.