Has The DC Universe Missed Opportunities with Fans and Can Gunn Get It Back On Target

Has The DC Universe Missed Opportunities with Fans and Can Gunn Get It Back On Target

James Gunn has a track record for delivering very good films and tv shows. The DCU has had a few misfires that has fans worried that the future is not so bright anymore for this new super hero universe.

Editorial Opinion
By JosephOveraitis - Oct 30, 2026 03:10 PM EST
Filed Under: DC Studios

If You Build it Right, They Will Come

I will once again be covering the Motor City Comic Con (“MC3”) in November.  This is a mid-major convention that is gaining in attendance and level of guests the past several years. The reason I attend is because it pays to know pop culture fans and their interests. Understanding the fans helps me produce my columns because the goal is for the articles to be read even if the public object to the premise. Knowing what interests fans leads me to article topics and how people feel about those properties. Sadly, the creators of the DCU seem to not fully understand their fanbase.  This misreading of their target audiences has caused them to make several unforced mistakes that is damaging the DCU brand, and it started from the start.

Not on Many People’s Dance Card

A corner stone is usually a ceremonial block laid in the celebration of the construction of new buildings. James Gunn was bold with the corner stone of the DCU. Rather than a big bang, the DCU came into existence with a small whimper.  The cartoon series Creature Commandos would be launched as the first official entry into the DCU.  Fans interviewed at previous MC3s and comic book shops were mostly ignorant of this DCU team.  Many of the individuals questioned were major DC Comics nerds.  Starting out with a cartoon series consisting of a team hardly anyone knows to give birth to a universe was a bold choice that did not land well.  Many fans still to this day are not aware of his signficance in the DCU.  That was not the best start for a new universe,  but the next decision was truly an avoidable error that caused an uproar among fans.

Avoid The Third Rail People

Lanterns was a tv show about cosmic law enforcement officers made with a small budget.  Production limits during the Skydance merger probably squeezed Gunn’s use of SFX, reducing the opportunity to tell a grandiose GL space adventure. Instead fans were dealt a buddy-buddy cop drama set mostly on Earth. Fans felt Lanterns was the story of generations, where the younger lantern was trying to usurp his predecessor and the latter not wanting to relinquish his position without a fight.   The funeral scene revealed that Hal had no family or close friends that wanted to honor him.  Even though he did not wear the costume, he identified as a Green Lantern because it was all he had and now John was trying to take that one thing  from him. This  was a  non-controversial and relatable  conflict  to EVERYONE who has experienced this dynamic in one form or another. Instead, diehard fans who have an interest in comics and websites that discuss those properties (I’m looking at you) had racism introduced to the series.  Many DC Comic diehard fans were horrified to hear that Lanterns writer and co-executive producer Vanessa Baden Kelly indicate on a podcast that Hal had “…some racist tendencies… But I also feel like he probably f**ks aliens in other places and doesn’t feel like he’s… he’s non-discriminatory. And both things are true.”  Re-watching the show through this racism prism calls into question Hal’s motives, but it also  result in John Stewart appearing to be an affirmative action hire.  The story revealed he was not selected by the rings like ALL other Green Lanterns throughout the universe, but instead was specifically chosen by the Guardians.  One character did not have to be beaten down  using racism as an underlying theme to highlight the plight of  the other main characters of the show. Then the writers further compounded making John Stewart appear weak by what the the writers were thinking in the show’s season finale.

Missed It By That Much

Tom King is Lanterns co-creator and a truly great writer.  That does not insulate him from criticism. In an article he was quoted as saying that he and the writers decided that Sheriff Kerry Kane should not be punished for the murder of Hal Jordan. He implied that going to jail would not be worse than the emotional price she was already paying for killing Hal. In reality, the emotional suffering for killing Hal was not the worst thing that she could experience. Her feelings for Noah were much stronger than what she had for Hal. The reason she murdered Hal was to keep Noah safe. Her being in jail powerless to protect her son from John Stewart would be a worst-case scenario for any mother. In addition, a jail sentence  meant someone or something  other than John could also come to terminate Noah. This constant fear would also weigh on her every second spent  incarcerated.  The problem was that a greater story mechanism was ignored that already existed in their story. King and the writing team could have used a mother’s emotions to better explain Stewart’s actions that would make him even a more compelling character in the eyes of fans.

Noah was born a monster but raised by his mom to be the caring person. His holding out his college choice to help teammates get noticed by colleges and his fatalistic request for John to kill him demonstrated that he may not be the monster he was born to become as a Manhunter. In contrast John was a human  raised to be a borderline sociopathic child who was trained to become a Lantern. Vanessa Baden Kelly says “I thought that people were going to go apes**t about parental abuse,”. He shot objects off his parent’s heads, assassinated targets as a marine sniper and killed the woman he cared for to complete a training mission. Did he not have the same makings of a monster in him? That unknown was the same fear that Noah experienced and could have been used to make us care for Stewart. 

A montage showing the mom/son dynamic of both Noah and John with a narrative asking if ‘we are born monsters or conditioned to be one through our environment can we escape our programming’ type inner monologue would have been a great reason to let Sherif Kane remain free. He did not do to it to spare her from a punishment but rather to give him an asset to be used to  prevent Noah from evolving into the monster he might have to put down in the future. Instead, King gave us a reason that made John look weak. How could he protect earth if he would not punish a murderer because she may have felt bad.  How many others he will encounter can state they too feel really really bad for what they did to avoid punishment. I bet even Joe Chill felt a little bad for the murders he committed.  Does he get a pass too? Maybe the reason he was bad  all goes back to a time when  someone  poisoned his dog once and his parents died during his childhood .

Mean Girls

Supergirl was essentially  a box office bomb.  Passionate comic fans gave it a chance but did not like it because it was standard comic book movie fare they had seen before in films. Another reason for their disapproval was the portrayal of the main character.   This negative depiction extended to casual fans who may have liked the actress but not the “new” character.  In talking with parents who like comics, there seemed to be an opposition to going to see this film with teens and grade school children that normally would have gravitated to the film. Their reasoning was they hated the character of Supergirl from the moment she was introduced in Superman.

Even lukewarm fans of the Superman family have come to expect the characters to be goody two shoes. Superman was pure and Supergirl was cut from the same cloth. They are the ideal versions of humanity.  Perfect in both their moral character and physical prowess. They define being good. In contrast, Batman and his family are heroes who can work in the sewers under the cover of  darkness.  The Dark Knight trained his team to get their hands dirty. His team is flawed but they still fight the good fight where others fear to go.  Even to this level, Batman would never cross the line.  Imagine then seeing Gunn’s modern take on the character.

Supergirl had a very sad origin story. This impacted her life. Fans who saw her introduced at the end of Superman gave her the benefit of the doubt that she was just a troubled young adult dealing with a traumatic past. Supergirl took that level of grief even farther through her travels to red sun planets where she could get intoxicated.  Many parents did not want to see this in the hero.  As a result, many young fans were not exposed to the film. This was a missed opportunity to expand the DCU fanbase. The story could have coped with  her guilt and anger in a non-alcoholic way to get them in the door, but then the problem was compounded with the ending.

In the comics, Krem is not killed by Supergirl. Supergirl was unique because through all she has experienced in her young life , yet she still maintained her innocence by sparing the villain and helping end the cycle of violence. In the film Supergirl kills him for his actions both against her and others.  Her innocence as a hero is gone. The story and her reputation could have been salvaged with Krem’s death at the hands of another who was the perfect foil to Supergirl.  Lobo could have come in during an end credit scene saying how ‘Supergirl is pure like that yellow sun that gives her power, but I am not like her’ type of monologue. This could have protected her and demonstrated that Lobo is that anti-hero comic and movie fans love.  I still had hope but the next misstep in the creation of the DCU makes it even harder to believe Gunn can rebound from bad choices that limit the fans of the DCU.

If A Tree Falls in the Woods and No One Knows The Tree, Does it Matter?

Gunn has tried to fend off negative views of the universe by stating that not all the films and tv shows have to connect.  That was in direct response to  criticism for the next DCU film, and I must concur that  not all his films have to require interconnected story elements. As I write this column, the movie Clayface came out this week. This author must be honest and say after watching the movie that it is a quality production.   The majority of people who saw it knew the Batman mythology going in.  and understood the character’s future as a Batman and DCU villain. The problem is how was this stand-alone film building the DCU when it probably did not attract any casual or newbie fans to the DCU who did not know who Clayface was?  Sony already tried building a Spider-Man universe with villains that fans had only a passing interest. Venom was more mainstream, but how many patrons were coming to see the non-connected story of Spidey character’s Madame Web, Morbius and Kraven the Hunter? This type of annex building may make a profit for Skydance but connections to the master build did not help the DCU.

Back to the Basics and Building with Steel

James Gunn has a proven track record.  The underrated Belko Experiment is a great analysis of the human psyche. It was Lord of the Flies on steroids.  He has a way of going beyond mere action and make you care about characters.  Guardians of the Galaxy was a success even using characters most people had never heard of in Marvel Comics. The story and character development  made movie goers invested in their adventures. Gunn has that “it” factor when it comes to plots. He also was forced to construct a universe while navigating the merger of two studios in real life. That feat has never been attempted before and may never happen again. Gunn is talented enough to deal with these unique variable and still produce quality projects. He knows after a few slight failures when to release the hounds to get back on the hunt to get his prize. The key to going back to the basics is paying attention to details. 

Bringing the Big Gunns!!!

Lex Luthor was never one to match Superman in the powers department. He was unique in Superman’s villain gallery because he could compete with the man of steel using only his mind and willpower.  He has a long history mixing it with Superman and prevailing sometimes even as a mere mortal.  Luthor is ruthless and goal driven to the point of obsession. He never wears a physical mask but he hides his true nature to others quite well. Ask even the most casual fan to name one Superman villain and his name will be mentioned 9 times out of 10. His character is too good to have limited involvement in the DCU. He is that cool type of villain that can make a film franchise and a hero.  Fans had hope for him until IGN published  article with Nicholas Hoult in a Luthor Suit while the image credited to James Gunn. Fans reacted with a vengeance. 

Years ago, DC Comics introuced an exosuit for Lex.   The warsuit powered up Lex to be a physical equal to Superman.  The suit was created as a way to market it as an action figure for children in a new toy line. Even among long time Superman fans the suit was never remotely what made Luthor a lethal opponent, so is there any benefit to include that element into Man of Tomorrow.  When the picture of the Superman Warsuit came out from the set fans who saw the image spoke up. Some compared it to Jesse Ventura’s garbage Captain Freedom costume in Running Man while others said it was Arnold’s Mr. Freeze costume repurposed from Batman & Robin  with Luthorcorp logos to cover the  Bat-nipples inspired Mr. Freeze nipples. The worst comparison was fans who saw it and joked it would take Lex to infinity and beyond. Buzz Lightyear jokes and meme comparisons is not what the fans should think when seeing Lex on the screen. The meme pictured above is what was produced already from a simple search on the internet.  Maybe redesign the suit to be sleeker in post-production or cut the scene with it because this costume makes a major big bad look silly, and that is not a good thing.  Does Joel Schumacher costume designs ring any warning bells for fans? What would be even worst is for comparisons to the Iron Man costume to be made when the DCU is trying not to compare itself to the MCU. Lex deserves  better and so do fans.  

Customers Matter

One should never take fans or consumers for granted.  I visit the Motor City Comic Con because of a lesson learned  with my law firm many years ago. We had the corner offices on the second  highest  floor that  visitors could see downtown Detroit miles away.  It was believed to be a great attribute and status symbol  for the  firm. That was until we wanted to relocate and asked clients what we should look for in new office space. Imagine our surprise when many clients indicated they hated the ride up the elevator. One of my favorite clients who has a comic book collection with several early appearances of DC super heroes from the Golden Age of comics said he hated the long walk from the elevator to the office.  He said I risked losing him because of the walk. In the end clients loved our new offices because we actually listened to them. Maybe talking with fans rather than  hosting a hall presentations to adoring con attendees would produce a better return on investment.  Talk comics and movies with fans and they will give you great feedback.

Time for Gunn to Re-Aim

James Gunn is talented so the ability to create a story driven world the DCU will inhabit is still viable. The key is for him to talk to actual consumers and see what they like. This includes diehard fans he may take for granted but cannot afford to lose as well as those movie goers he hopes to attract to the DCU. Years ago, DC and Marvel would visit comic conventions to get to know fans. They stopped that because they believed they knew what fans wanted, but that has not been the case. 

Consumers are fickle. What was in vogue on minute is so yesterday the next. If Gunn is to succeed, he cannot put on the screen what he and his writing team believe should represent  the DCU. Instead, he should get out of the bubble we all sometimes  are caught in and get to know what people truly feel and want. He needs to make sure his DCU will not be studied like New Coca Cola, the DeLorean automobile, the recent Star Wars universe, Snow White (2025) and other flops that failed to meet fans’ expectations. All were seen as “what the public wants” and yet all were rejected by that very same public resulting in great losses for those corporations. He still has time but even that is not infinite. 

Fans Vote with their Wallets

People reading this article and the writer putting it to paper want the DCU to succeed because of the love we have for the DC Comics universe and comic book films in general. If this new DCU fails who knows when we will see these familiar characters on the screen. The Lone Ranger was once popular but two movie flops several decades apart made the property toxic. The same can be said for westerns and musical genres. Studios cannot keep losing money on projects.  Skydance does not care about the long history that Superman, Batman, Green Lantern and so many other characters have and their importance to  the zeitgeist of our society. Theses heroes and villains are only assets to fill the coffers of their corporations. Once characters  lose their appeal and drawing power, they become worthless to those who base value on dollars generated.  Gunn is a true fan who believes in these characters, thus making him a good steward to best steer the ship around possible icebergs in the future.  Let’s hope he listens to fans warning cries  and gives them what they want or his  voyage may be a final trip for him and the S.S. DCU. 

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catmandom
catmandom - 10/31/2026, 1:33 AM
The end of Peak TV and the delivery of a killer Supergirl are unforgivable forced errors. This kind of incompetence shouldn’t continue, and thankfully, fans turned away from the killer. At the moment, there’s nobody on television to dress up and deliver hope and justice. Losers will say the age of superheroes has passed, but they’re being disingenuous. The writer here spells out the problems but has too much patience for more.
SupermanFamFan
SupermanFamFan - 10/31/2026, 11:31 AM
@catmandom - I agree and honestly the writer of this article lost my attention when he said "Tom King a truly great writer".... One of the many people ruining comics right now like what?!
JosephOveraitis
JosephOveraitis - 10/31/2026, 5:56 PM
@SupermanFamFan - As the writer I hope I did not lose you completely because I actually enjoy reading your comments. I liked is work on Grayson and Batman. He had a great take on the psyche of characters especially when I kept reading the same old stuff. I also like the interesting take on Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow comic because of the nature of the narrative. I expected a lot and instead I got missed opportunities poor translation of what made the comic unique. Some source material and unique voice a writer has for one medium does not translate to others. PS I used to write too for GoCollect and there has been a lot more people ruining comic books right now that can be listed. It has gotten so bad we may not have comic books in the next few years. Do me a favor though and keep the comments coming. I may not agree with all of them but I love listening to people with diverse views on pop culture. It reminds me of Wednesdays at my LCS where people actually talked rather than bought and ran LOL
JosephOveraitis
JosephOveraitis - 10/31/2026, 6:00 PM
@catmandom - I thank you for the comments. I have patience for more IF THEY FIX IT AND UP THEIR GAME. I worry that writers who keep making mistakes with these properties will end up terminating any chances we have of seeing more tv shows and films in the long run. We love these characters but for many who are asked to be a part of the process they are just looking at it as a job. I have patience but even I have my limits LOL. Teams though can make a pivot, fix their errors, and move on. After seeing the Clayface numbers I am really starting to have my doubts this ends well.
SupermanFamFan
SupermanFamFan - 10/31/2026, 6:49 PM
@JosephOveraitis - Hey bro! Wow these are very fair points and I love how you were able to explain your POV without going after me like some users do on here 🤣

I've never read Grayson or Kings Batman so I don't know how good those are I have heard mixed takes. But for me the only good thing of Woman Of Tomorrow was the artwork, but overall King does not get Supergirl. He just took her and made her a movie trope. Superman would never purposefully become an alcoholic, Supergirl as well, so as soon as I saw this version of Kara I did not like it. Mind you I can do the whole redemptive character arc but with Supergirl it just doesn't make any sense at all. Even Sophie Campbell's latest run with some of the issues I have with it understood the core of Supergirl.

The biggest offense of King though had to be his treatment of Wonder Woman! I'm sure you already saw my comments on why I hate his take on WW. I've been sticking with each issue every month being a hardcore WW fan but I am so happy he will be out of her hair in December and she will get a better writer who has proved herself in some issues to me.

Back to Supergirl though, I love Milly Alcock but I feel like they did her dirty. Supergirl deserved a movie close to the level of Superman 2025 imo, but instead we got a bad movie simply because of how bad the source material was (again except the artwork of WoT was beautiful). So if the movie was colorful and vibrant like the book, I feel like the bad writing would be more bearable!

And I will stay uptodate with your articles as best I can, the site pushes Josh Wildings stuff the most but I will go out of my way to keep up with you too! I feel the LCS talk of this site as well as that's one of the reasons I have been hooked on commenting here.

Thanks again for the respect and thoughts!!!
JosephOveraitis
JosephOveraitis - 11/1/2026, 12:04 AM
@SupermanFamFan - PS I really do think the writers failed her. A cook can only work with the ingredients provided and the same goes with acting. As to the source material..while I liked the comic I do not think it would translate well to a movie. It just would not give the actress adequate time to make us care for her.

and keep responding as well as everyone else. I love writing and researching articles. I want to know what you think and feel people. Your opinions matter so lets hear it..I want to hear from you because in the end we all care about pop culture, but each of us has a unique perspective. Your comments make this site better.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/31/2026, 1:51 AM
yes and no
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 10/31/2026, 2:25 AM
Gunn will be excuted soon, Netanyahu is not pleased, just look how midterms are going on
Slushythrone455
Slushythrone455 - 10/31/2026, 3:08 AM
Yes. Canning Gunn will get it on target
Presto76
Presto76 - 10/31/2026, 3:59 AM
Watched Supergirl. Just giving my opinion. I expected to like it but I was disapointed, the worldbuilding was awful. Everything looked like something from those mad max movies. the girl was ok, i didnt think she was ugly like some people, but she was unsympathetic, i didnt care about any of her struggles.
JosephOveraitis
JosephOveraitis - 10/31/2026, 6:03 PM
@Presto76 - And if you are a fan of comics and the DCU and could not care about a character how can others who see it as only a movie care enough to buy a ticket. Great analysis of the worlds. I looked at a few scenes after reading your comment and ugh....and then the mad max look you mentioned. How Ould I miss that LOL. Keep the comments coming!!! Great takes
China1975
China1975 - 10/31/2026, 4:30 AM
This is one of the best reflective articles I’ve read on this site in a long time. I appreciate it not being one sided, and negative. It pointed out very important flaws with recent DC films. Yet it gave a sense of hope, if the powers that be take notice.

Making a studio film, is basically a miracle in itself self, for a project to be green lighted, is like winning the lottery! Anyone close or associated with that lottery winner, has their own plans on how to spend that money.

So sometime film projects crash, and burn or don’t achieve, that success. It’s not just superhero films, it’s all film making. The difference with DC, Marvel, and any other major IP, is that those characters, have a long back story, and fans that are relatively religious towards culture of those characters.

Anyway I appreciate this article for being less negative, and more of a positive criticism… Well done!👍😊
FreddyH
FreddyH - 10/31/2026, 3:46 PM
@China1975 - "This is one of the best reflective articles I’ve read on this site in a long time. I appreciate it not being one sided, and negative."

This article was EXTREMELY one-sided and negative.
JosephOveraitis
JosephOveraitis - 10/31/2026, 6:05 PM
@China1975 - Thank you for your comments. I will keep trying to produce work that people comment one because I love everyone's views...even criticism because again. I miss the time we discussed things in the LCS
JosephOveraitis
JosephOveraitis - 10/31/2026, 6:24 PM
@FreddyH - PS Freddy. I looked forward to Gunns take on things but I feel he is not connecting. I liked the movie Clayface but the week 2 numbers do not look good. When you are universe building you cannot keep produce numbers like that. I also try to always view things for both an artistic and numbers guy. My experience as a background actor and member of precision drive teams in tv and movies has allowed me to be a part of major productions and art house films. I also have worked for companies as a member of the legal team with accountants. That side is brutal. Skydance will not be too happy with these numbers. But promise me to keep the comments coming because I want to hear what readers think...even if it is negative t me
UltronIO
UltronIO - 10/31/2026, 4:58 AM
I agree that they've [frick]ed up but don't agree that they can get it back on target.

We're at the place that the DCEU was just before Aquaman.
The way the universe had been set up was not sustainable. Then Aquaman came along and made a billion. It wasn't a good movie by any stretch of the imagination but it was a movie that actually made sense from beginning to end unlike the majority of DCEU movies. Kinda like Clayface, it's a movie that the audience can at least follow and understand and therefore is already leagues ahead of the rest of the franchise.

But that one movie made WB think that the universe was worth continuing. It wasn't. They went ahead and made 9 more movies and every one of them flopped. Read that again. Every one of them. Fact check it. Aquaman was a mistake.

If Man of Tomorrow is similarly successful and they press on with Gunn and co then that will most likely lead to half a decade of major flops before the plug is pulled. Skydance cannot afford that. They gotta be smart and pull the plug now.

It's already proved one thing, that it doesn't work, don't wait and wait and wait just in case it somehow one day proves the opposite. It doesn't work. We know that from all the abundance of evidence we already have.

Krypton had it's chance.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/31/2026, 2:16 PM
@UltronIO -

Very good points. I agree that MoT will probably give them a brief respite before the inevitable crash and burn of Gunn's DCFU V2.
JosephOveraitis
JosephOveraitis - 10/31/2026, 11:03 PM
@UltronIO - I agree with you but with that there was some life situations that impacted that. I am kind of biased but I was on the set for almost two weeks total of Snyders BvSupes. I saw Snyder on the set and he talked to me a few times. He had passion and a vision on what where he wanted to go. Was it dark...probably but he could have made it work. I believe he was going to have something more of what you wanted with the example of WW in 2017. The connection was very limited to the rest of the universe. His daughter's death never allowed us to see where he would have taken it and then Whedon changed the nature of the film in much the same way Lester did with Superman 2. The studio wanted a certain thing and boom he did it and killed the franchise. Whedon tried to re-do avengers but with DC Comics. I think Aquaman was the last of those story focused movies Snyder had any input even if slight. It was fools gold and the studio went nuts

I agree with you ...instead of universes stories should be the key objective. I also believe that if you want to sprinkle in some references go ahead but have we not learned from Crisis on Infinite Earths that too much is confusing to comic fans so what do you expect for casual fans without a good grasp of the source material. I hope Gunn can learn but I fear his belief he can fix it is going to cause us all some pain.
Forthas
Forthas - 10/31/2026, 11:08 AM
Someone is STILL crying about the success of Lanterns and manufacturing an absurd narrative that the "real" comic book fans did not enjoy the show. A narrative that is undermined by high ratings, high critic scores and the increased popularity that both central characters are now enjoying. They ALREADY did the "comic accurate" big budget Green Lantern film and it was a massive failure and no sequel was even considered. Whereas people are clamoring for the low-budget, character-driven, grounded Lanterns TV show to have a season 2.
SupermanFamFan
SupermanFamFan - 10/31/2026, 11:29 AM
You lost me at "Tom King a truly great writer"....
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/31/2026, 2:13 PM
@SupermanFamFan -

No kidding.

TheExile117
TheExile117 - 10/31/2026, 1:11 PM
The DCU hasn’t given the masses a real reason why we should care about it. It’s fine to have movies and shows stand on their own and all, but at the end of the day this thing is being sold to us as a interconnected universe with each project acting as a piece to a larger story or narrative that drives the cinematic universe forward in some way. We’re like 5 projects in at this point and I have no idea what’s going on, nor at the very least understand where we’re headed with this thing.
Kahron0
Kahron0 - 10/31/2026, 1:40 PM
Still way too early to write off the DCU as a runaway success, but also still way too early to write it off as a critical commercial failure. Nuance is niche online though and people are only capable of speaking hyperbolically.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/31/2026, 2:19 PM

Great article. We need more quality article writers on this site badly.

I agree with most of it. But I think the GunniVerse is too far gone to survive after maybe a good profitable MoT movie.

FreddyH
FreddyH - 10/31/2026, 3:54 PM
I will continue to defend "Supergirl " as a criminally under-rated movie. I can't deny that it flopped, big-time, but it shouldn't have.

No, the solution was NOT to turn it into a kids movie. The MCU has been tremendously successful (net profit: $29.5 billion so far) and it never went into kids-movie territory or made its main characters 100% goody-goody (Peter Quill, anyone? Tony Stark, anyone? I could go on). Why should the DCU have to?
FreddyH
FreddyH - 10/31/2026, 3:59 PM
Lanterns was an unmitigated success. One of the biggest viewerships in HBO Max history, 92% on Rotten Tomatoes.

I know you didn't personally like it and you don't think it should have been successful, but it was.

There are plenty of shows that I can't stand but were very successful. If I were to go around insisting that successful shows weren't really successful because I didn't like them, I would sound like an idiot.
JosephOveraitis
JosephOveraitis - 10/31/2026, 11:51 PM
@FreddyH - I wanted to like the show...I saw it as flawed. Was it an unmitigated success? Well on the sets of tv shows and movies I have heard many an actor, stuntman, and others involved with the production indicate you have different levels of success. Do fans like it..well your are correct A general score of 92 but top critics have that score drop to 82. Then you the numbers where variety indicated hit had roughly 19 million viewers globally. That is hot and you are right...But there is that other side of the ledger people sometimes forget and that is the ROI for a show. Online it has been reported that The state of CA Film Commission stated that the instate qualified production costs for to be a total of $130million (roughly $16.3million per episode) while the unofficial cost for to be $15-20 million. That is roughly then $1/view. The Pitt got roughly 10 million views per episode with a production cost per episode of $4-5 million. IT for HBO got roughly 19 globally with a production cost of roughly $9.7 dollars per episode. Again all those figures are reported on various sites of the internet but look at if those shows have been renewed. Next look at licensing deals. Most shows and intellectual property get funds from ancillary deals that generate funds. I used to represent people who made pitches for costumes and other things with corporations licensing agents...They want to maximize their ROI through these deals. I did not see many Lantern costumes this year during halloween nor did I see other products featuring Lanterns. IT yes...Pitt t-shirts yes.As of yet not one Lanterns and thus the reason I go to conventions to catalog their offerings because each sq ft must generate a dollar figure to be successful. .

I viewed it from both my experiences working on sets/ representing clients as an attorney/ and through my interviews with industry professionals. I saw flaws and wrote about them. Finally I interview groups that producers and companies try to attract. Freddy I liked the show story wise but saw it as flawed. I will still watch season 2 as a fan because I am that diehard DC Comics guy, but how do I tell people about the show? Flaws like one of the Greatest GL forgetting to charge his ring; a bullet from a civilian injuring him when he went to the ranch; the greatest construct the new GL could make when given the greatest weapon in the universe was a bird. For the show to be a success it had to attract fans and while a success will it or will it only attract fans of the comics? Remember shows may get a lot of views, do great at the box office but studios define success through the analytics of ROI with cost/views and licensing deals. PS I saw 3 kids dressed as dr doom, a bunch of demon hunter and one zombie capt America. No GLs. I value your comments so keep them coming. I realized I should have produced more of my research on why I viewed it as not a success but you were right, without it it looked like more a personal take. I did feel there were artistically many missed opportunities but in general Lanterns was ok in general and I would have probably given it an 80% on R.T. My fear is Skydance will look at ROI and not views and R.T. scores because in the end the show is as only as good as the dollars it generates.
SteviesRightFoo
SteviesRightFoo - 10/31/2026, 4:04 PM
Snyder was far from the right man and the same goes for Gunn
Presto76
Presto76 - 10/31/2026, 5:31 PM
Gunn has stumbled but he can recover. But only if he deploys the holy trinity pronto. If he launches batman and wonder woman and people like them there will be anticipation for more team ups, leading to justice league and beyond. but coming up with good stories is a crapshoot, just look at last jedi for proof.
JosephOveraitis
JosephOveraitis - 10/31/2026, 11:57 PM
@Presto76 - Presto I hope you are right with Gunn. As to Star Wars. They lost me when Rey could master the force with so little guidance when the previous films all told us the force needed to be mastered. If you are building a universe there has to be continuity and part of making a good story is staying true to those issues. You followed them as a viewer and got invested in them. For a writer to ignore them because of their views on the project or dislike for the previous take cheapens the viewers time spent engaged. If you deviate please justify it very carefully in the story.

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