STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI Novel Finally Sheds Some Light On Snoke's Origin And Ties To Luke Skywalker

@Space - what's interesting is what the Lucas writing team thinks of the OT and specifically Luke Skywalker. Pause it at 0:12 and look at the poster on the bottom left of the screen Luke has a red X on his face. Lovely ...

@InfinityCipher - The exposition didnt serve any purpose to The Last Jedi it does for the audience. But something i have learn in film school is that you should not and can not just "take out the curtain" and explain to the audience through exposition who this guy is. Because that would destroy the entire narrative of the film and it would be cliche, boring and bad done.

Snoke personality and way of acting is reveal easily in just 2 scenes in "The Last Jedi". He is an old guy, drunk in power and too arrogant who doesnt understand how human and fragile he truly is.

But again this is problem of "The Force Awakens, not The Last Jedi. The Original Trilogy did it, they never introduced "The Emperor", they never explained on screen who he was or where he came from, he was just a manipulative sadistic pig, who loved to play with everyones lifes and was so arrogant he belived he was immortal in a sense.

But that was just 1 Sequence in the last movie. 1 sequence and 1 scene is all we got in the Original Trilogy of the Emperor. But this is the 21 Century. Narrative evolve, the audience now wants more...

The Force Awakens should have explained more about Snoke and reveal more about his personality instead of just delivering a mistery box. When they knew Rian Johnson was planning to kill him...

But they didnt they just created an unnecesary plot hole which the audience believed for 2 years was plan and had a bigger purpose to the plot...

@InfinityCipher - In "The Force Awakens" Snoke could had a scene training with Kylo and we could have seen how Snoke was maniplating him using againts him his daddy issues and Snoke like any old teacher could have used like an example an old anecdote of his own training and how he learn about the ways of the force and that bull shit...

But J.J. Abrams never did it, and in The Last Jedi there was no space or logic for that scene. That needed to be the introduction for the relationship of Snoke and Kylo in the first movie...

See even i can write a better story than J.J. Abrams it is just sad how he needs to put an unnecesary "mistery" to which he doesnt has the answer and he wont either try to explain in each movie he does

@baldowl - Agree. Very poor grammar and writing for someone who is supposedly in film school and probs needs to write countless of courseworks on films...

@ChangAlang - Those Scenes are integral to the plot of the trilogy you seriously would wanted a stupid exposition scene instead of seeing how Ben and Rey develop a great relationship that will pay off later on?

Audiences are just dumb. Snoke is no one he play his part to the plot. A part we never saw because the backstory is never shown. But his backstory isnt important, him playing with Kylo life and destiny was... and he pay the price...

@InfinityCipher - The problem is that this is the second act. That Exposition Scene needed to happen in "The Force Awakens" and it didnt. There is the issue. That is why audiences believed Snoke was so important...

Because the audience was manipulated by a mediocre filmmaker to believe his story was more complex than it was. When 2 months before the movie Premiere they didnt even knew if Snoke was a Woman or a Men or how the hell he looked.

Snoke is pivotal to the plot he triggers all the events in this Trilogy along Ben Solo. But that was almost 20-10 years ago, Snoke is not a main character his role and purpose in the story was helping Ben Solo to overcome his daddy issues and became a man by his own means...

But how the audience could know this stuff when they just had the first movie? That is the problem the filmmakers behind the first story, they didnt knew what the backstory was or either were they were going...

So they build Snoke like a basic cliche alredy seen copy of the Emperor, so that is the issue people need to understand. Snoke role was one, who he was doesnt changes the couse of the plot. Because the character alredy fill his purpose...

@TheFamousJMC - Are you legimatly trying to say that most of the od fans, which would 70s kids and adults only wanted toys?

@AleSir19 - Firstly, Hola!

I get what you’re saying. I actually don’t or at least didn’t mind having no back story to Snoke. I liked the mystery surrounding him and you could tell he had force power even in the holographic projections. To see it properly in TLJ was brutally beautiful.

I just don’t see the need to have his backstory explained at all but if they will now I’d rather see it on film than told in a novel. A novel which I won’t read which may be my loss but at the same time my choice.

And I was poking fun at the high waisted pants / shirtless Ren scene😊

@Himura - Yes this Trilogy has been a "mixed bag" until now. Because "The Force Awakens" builds great characters: Rey, Finn and Kylo. But there is not story. There is just a huge McGuffin they need to stop (A Deathstar) and another McGuffin they need to get (A Pendrive with Luke Nudes).

In "The Last Jedi" we got both things: Great character build up more emotional than the regular cliche physical stuff we see in Hollywood and a pretty solid story which changes a little bit where things are going and breaks the formula in a sense...

But it is messy, that is the issue of "The Last Jedi" it is too messy. It needed a rewrite of some good screenwriter or at less notes from the old George itself to become truly great...

Because you have great stuff like Kylo and Rey relationship and then there is a scene of pure exposition where we are told that Crait is made of pure Salt. WHY? WHY WE NEED THE SALT SCENE?

Even the Rose and Finn story does serve a purpose but it drags and should be better ways of delivering the same arc. Because each plot is build to make a character have an Arc:

The Subplot with Luke/Snoke is there to make Rey and Kylo overcome his daddy issues, break free o their masters and become strong individual persons who choose their own destiny.

The Subplot of the Resistance is there to make Poe become a better leader, a better person and less arrogant.

The Subplot of Rose and Finn is there to make Finn finally become part of this Rebellion, to finally stop being a coward and fight for something other than himself and Rey. Also Rose understands she needs to stop sacrificing himself and what she cares for other people and puts herself first that others...

@InfinityCipher - Snoke was a manipulative bastard who used Ben "daddy issues" againts him, Snoke was playing with Kylo to make him find the girl and make her come to them...

The Last Jedi does deliver at the end of the day. Because Kylo does deliver the girl to Snoke, he does find Skywalker reading her mind and then Snoke is ready to make Ben complete his training by killing Rey...

And Ben does, when Ben Solo kills Snoke he completes his training and becomes a truth Sith or Dark Force User. Just that not in the way Snoke wanted. Because now Ben finally has overcome his "daddy issues" and with this really toxic and negative ideology of killing the past he moves on to become his own, individual thing...

That was the training, so either Ben decided to kill Rey which could have end up with the entire genocide of the Resistance and then the capture and killing of Luke, which would have lead to this dark timeline where Snoke and Ben continue the rule of the two and bring a new Empire to the galaxy...

Or the timeline we are, where Ben decision will lead him to another place...

@InfinityCipher - She was, Snoke was playing with him, Kylo did fail so Snoke did what we saw in the movie, he linked their minds, i would love to know if he was able to see them and hear them, watching every single move from both of them...

But Kylo didnt know shit about Snoke sadistic manipulative game, so he did exactly what he wanted, Kylo was searching his master/father figure approval after his failure and that was enough to make Kylo do whatever he needed to do to make Rey come to him...

Again it was all a manipulation...