Topher Grace Reflects On The Negative Reception To Sam Raimi's SPIDER-MAN 3

Raimi did Eddie Brock in the films better then the comics did Eddie Brock.

Eddie Brock is [frick]ing retarded in the comics. We have a guy who publishes an article from a shady source on the identity of the Sin Eater and then when Spidey catches the real Sin Eater, Brock gets fired and he blames and hates Spider-Man for Spider-Man doing nothing but Spidey's job.

He's basically the Eh Maybe or Bleeding Cool of comic book characters.

Only reason people give a [frick]ing shit about Venom is he looks [frick]ing awesome but Venom has the character depth of a puddle.

It's even worse when Marvel makes Venom, who looks like a Xenomorph from Alien movies, into this [frick]ing thing.

@Mrcool210

Even with that stuff like Venom stopping the fight, it lies my biggest problem with Venom.

We had an alien parasite attached to Peter that moments before Eddie got it, tried to take over Spider-Man. I repeat AN ALIEN PARASITE TRIED TO TAKE OVER AND CONTROL SPIDER-MAN.

So why would the alien parasite who moments later tried to control Spider-Man, be cool with Eddie Brock so much so that Eddie really is in control of Venom?

It makes no sense at all. Even if Eddie also hates Spidey, why would the parasite let Eddie control the parasite when moments ago the parasite nearly took over Spider-Man?

I honestly feel Venom would be more interesting if:

1. Peter and Eddie had an established friendship before Eddie becomes Venom

and 2. Eddie is never in control. The symbiote is. Eddie is trapped inside this symbiote and can't control it.

Also @MrCool210 if you remember Venom scared MJ. Not beat up MJ but scared her.

Venom is the Killer Croc of Spidey villains.

Green Goblin: I killed his girfriend.
Doc Ock: I killed his girlfriend's father and beat up Black Cat so bad, she needed to be on life support.
Venom: I PUNCHED BLACK CAT AND SCARED HIS WIFE!!!!!

@DrDoom

Yea that's the only time I liked Venom.

Can't remember though, was the symbiote in control of Brock? I remember Brock being mad at Peter and Spidey but I don't remember the symbiote in control. I mean we all remember Eddie saying me (or I) and Peter saying not we.

@LEVITIKUZ that's what i meant, like the venom that you want is pretty much ultimate venom. Although i think its kind of funny, i'm wondering what venom we'll get in this new series of movies if we get to him, considering if anything Sam Raimi didn't take 616 venom, he took 90s cartoon venom, like he did with a lot of things in his movies. It seems to be this for what the movies take inspiration from.

Raimi - 90s Cartoon Spider-Man (Goblin especially was taken right from the 90s cartoon)



Webb - Spectacular Spider-Man Cartoon (just look at electro and Doc Conners for that one)



Watts - Ultimate Spider-Man (So he says)




Who knows maybe Ultimate Venom is who we'll get in the MCU with of course some stuff taken from 616, like him being Alien.

@Superherodude1

No Raimi did him better. Venom's biggest issue is lack of connection to Peter and weak motive. Is why Spectacular Spider-Man remains the best take on Venom/Eddie Brock. Raimi established a connection through a staff job which starred the rivalry of Eddie and Peter unlike in the comics where they never met.

Yea I get not every villain needs a personal connection with the hero but Venom is one that does. Either way since his creation, he's known Peter was Spider-Man. What does he do with this information? Nothing. He has never hurt Peter in ways that Green Goblin and Doc Ock has. Writers got sick of Venom, they created other symbiotes and passed the Venom title down because writers realize how weak of a character Eddie is.

The only time in the comics Venom was ever great was when Flash is Agent Venom.

@Mrcool210

I feel like it's an insult to Spectacular Spider-Man to be inspiration for TASM films.

Slow news day...

"Spider-Man 3 was a mess, but hey, it was still better than The Amazing Spider-Man movies, right?"

Flame on, Wilding

If Sony just let Raimi have Sandman and Vulture like he wanted as villains along with the Harry subplot, the film would have been great and Tobey would be Spider-Man in the MCU.

The Incredible Hulk director wanted Tobey to cameo in the film but Avi said "no no no, we are rebooting the franchise less then 6 months of a box office hit film that critics didn't hate and the film is still fresh on the Tomatometer.

@LEVITIKUZ
"Even with that stuff like Venom stopping the fight, it lies my biggest problem with Venom.

We had an alien parasite attached to Peter that moments before Eddie got it, tried to take over Spider-Man. I repeat AN ALIEN PARASITE TRIED TO TAKE OVER AND CONTROL SPIDER-MAN.

So why would the alien parasite who moments later tried to control Spider-Man, be cool with Eddie Brock so much so that Eddie really is in control of Venom?

It makes no sense at all. Even if Eddie also hates Spidey, why would the parasite let Eddie control the parasite when moments ago the parasite nearly took over Spider-Man?

I honestly feel Venom would be more interesting if:

1. Peter and Eddie had an established friendship before Eddie becomes Venom

and 2. Eddie is never in control. The symbiote is. Eddie is trapped inside this symbiote and can't control it. "

Do you realize that you described the venom from the animated series Spectacular Spider-man? Was that on purpose? That is exactly what they did in that series...

I actually just watched all 3 Sam Raimi's Spiderman films, they were very good and very fun for what it is... AND made lots of money at the BOX OFFICE all over the world. So the mass loved it. So I am saying that it was a very successful franchise...
Its only the bloody fans that whinge and complain...
EVERYBODY FREAKIN COMPLAINS ABOUT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING...
WHY DONT U GO MAKE UR OWN THEN?! STOP COMPLAINING AND just enjoy it for what it is...
IF U DONT LIKE IT, in the first place, DONT WATCH!
simple

If Brock was played by a really talented actor who excelled in the part the movie would've been received better.

But, SM3 had a doomed script that ripped off the 1st two films. It tried nothing new. And The Amazing Spider-Man rehashed the same shit. Of the 5 Spider-Man films only two are legit and the other three just rip them off.

As much as some comic book geeks want to say some movies sucked like Spider-man 3 - it made Sony tons of money and they should be happy. And I still don't think it sucked regardless of the hater bandwagon jumpers.