COMICS: Axel Alonso Says Marvel Considered Killing Off The Avengers In AVENGERS VS. X-MEN

COMICS: Axel Alonso Says Marvel Considered Killing Off The Avengers In AVENGERS VS. X-MEN

Marvel Comics Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso talks about how they don't really think about the movies when it comes to making drastic changes such as those seen in "Avengers NOW", and goes on to reveal that there was at one point talk of taking out Earth's Mightiest Heroes as part of Avengers Vs. X-Men...

By JoshWilding - Jul 19, 2014 05:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics
Source: Comic Book Resources

Talking to Comic Book Resources in their weekly "Axel-In-Charge" column, Marvel E-i-C Axel Alonso was quizzed about whether Marvel make certain creative decisions with characters (the "Superior" Spider-Man for example) because they don't hold the rights to them on the movie front. Of course, that clearly isn't the case due to the fact that Captain America, Iron Man and Thor are about to undergo some major changes. "Look, whether we own the media rights to a character informs so little of what we do in editorial. Our job -- my job -- is to tell stories that sell comics. And we want all our comics to sell. To the whole society of fans that think that we're trying to bury or kill the X-Men, that's just plain crazy. [Laughs] There's a reason that Brian Michael Bendis is writing "All-New X-Men." There's a reason we're doing "Death of Wolverine," and promoting the hell out of it. Because we want them to sell. It's important that we maintain and grow the popularity of characters that are already popular, and that we elevate characters we want to make popular -- like Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Inhumans and Doctor Strange."

It's interesting that Alonso mentions the X-Men because there has been talk of Marvel taking both them and the Fantastic Four off the table in the near future because certain higher ups don't want to help promote the movies that they don't hold the rights to; they would rather keep the focus on the likes of the Avengers, and to a lesser extent, Spider-Man (as they hold the merchandising rights to that character). However, if you needed further proof that Marvel aren't afraid to do whatever they please in the comics, there was at one point talk of completely getting rid of Earth's Mightiest Heroes during the Avengers Vs. X-Men event in 2012.

"Without a doubt," Alonso said when asked about fans not necessarily expecting Marvel to make such drastic changes to Captain America, Iron Man and Thor just 10 months before Avengers: Age of Ultron is released. "At my very first summit as Marvel editor-in-chief, the one that birthed "Avengers vs. X-Men," we seriously considered a plot twist that would have killed the Avengers -- taking them completely off the table. Certain people advocated for that hard -- I was not one of them! [Laughs] --- and we were staring at an event that would overlap the first movie. Of course, that idea didn't end up winning -- thank God! -- but it was on the table." That would have been very interesting to see, especially as it would have positioned the X-Men as the Marvel Universe's main superhero team. It's also worth wondering which characters they would have allowed to survive. What do you guys think? Sound off with your thoughts below!
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staypuffed
staypuffed - 7/19/2014, 5:21 AM
There was tons of interesting stuff in that interview, I did notice that.
Maven
Maven - 7/19/2014, 5:23 AM
Well you're slowly killing 'em now anyway, so yeah.
EhMaybeSays
EhMaybeSays - 7/19/2014, 5:23 AM
"we elevate characters we want to make popular -- like Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Inhumans and Doctor Strange." Inhumans movie confirmed.
ManDeth
ManDeth - 7/19/2014, 5:44 AM
"Our job -- my job -- is to tell stories that sell comics. And we want all our comics to sell."

So there you have it. Axel Alonzo admitting that Marvel Comics has no interest in creating entertainment.

"Stories that sell comics" he says. Meaning gimmicks and stunts like Thor-Girl and the rest of their garbage ideas. Novelty ideas that get you to buy their comics but not great stories to give you a good time.

Sorry Axel but I'm not giving you my cash for your damn stunts anymore. In a country of 330 million you have an audience of around 70k and falling. I already knew why Marvel sucks but it's good to hear the dumbass admit it.
Even if he didn't realize that is what he was doing.
pepe
pepe - 7/19/2014, 5:46 AM
Aaaaand..... Heroes reborn 2...
Stubner
Stubner - 7/19/2014, 6:00 AM
It's funny that some people will look at a comment like....


"There's a reason we're doing "Death of Wolverine," and promoting the hell out of it. Because we want them to sell."



..and condemn this man to hell....
deepee3
deepee3 - 7/19/2014, 6:06 AM
Jeeez....

Remember when cool, dramatic and epic events happened in comics WITHOUT press releases, talk show appearances and attempts to excite people who could care less about comics? Remember when you were genuinely SHOCKED that a character died, or turned evil or even changed costumes?

Axel Alonso is just another failure as EIC for Marvel. I'm waiting for the day when the EIC of Marvel (and DC) starts acting like the curators of the great properties that they have been given. The 'death of Wolverine' is a friggin' joke.

What he essentially said is "We have to keep churning out these gimmicks attached to our most popular characters because that's the only time we see any significant pulse in our sales numbers." "We have spent that past two decades making comics for ourselves and warping these classic characters to our whims and as a result have taken comics out of the hands of the kids they were meant for and turned them into the dismal fodder for grown men we have today."

And here come the 'fans'! All 50 to 100,000 of them who slink into their local comic book stores on a monthly basis. Lapping up this tripe like its new and special. Maybe Jon Stewart will mention it! Maybe Joe Quesada will appear on Colbert! The View told us Thor is a woman now! That must mean its IMPORTANT and they mean it this time! Don't look now....Captain America is BLACK! AGAIN! Yay PROGRESS!

Pathetic.
Raehn
Raehn - 7/19/2014, 6:12 AM
That's a lame argument. We talked about ALMOST MAYBE killing off the avengers. Well, you didn't. I have discussed the possibility of doing lots of things in life. It doesn't really show anything about myself. What I actually do is what I will be judged by.
Rpendo
Rpendo - 7/19/2014, 6:15 AM
Then go buy some Image comics, deepee.

The wonderful thing about Marvel is, if you don't like what they're doing, you don't have to buy their stuff. There are plenty of alternatives out there.

You can't blame them for making comics with the intent of having them sell. They'd be a fairly crappy company if they didn't do that.

You lament the idea that kids used to be into comics and now they aren't, as though that's somehow comic's fault, and not the fault of TV, videogames, cell-phones, etc., taking kids attention away. Time marches on.

Also, RANDOMLY capitalizing WORDS for dramatic EFFECT makes your comment read like some kind of malcontented lunatic WROTE IT.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/19/2014, 6:36 AM
How did they go from almost killing the Avengers to making everyone in ghe MU a member of the Avengers?

I'm being sarcastic of course, but seriously, the Avengers came out of AvX witg a seriously bolstered roster, many characters of which were X-Men. Just makes me wonder how they made that big jump.
FrankBerzerk
FrankBerzerk - 7/19/2014, 6:42 AM
crappy whiners, if they dont make comic just to sell, then for what?
good story?
alot of good tittles are at low sales and at the edge of canceling.
like superior foes of sp m, or hawkeye
whiners here scream crappy stuff about death of the wolverine , saying again and again that they dont want to read it. but i well damn sure that none of them know what the heck happened in issue 15 of Hawkeye
yeah, you dont know what happened?
what happened is that people whine about there are no good story at marvel comci right now for them to buy, but the truth is they dont buy good story , and dont know that good stuff still out there, and then came a day good tittles been canceled. and then there are less and less good titles. all because of those whiners. yeah. keep whinning. and let good serie die.
yeah, that's it, good story not alway sale good.
SwagInScience
SwagInScience - 7/19/2014, 7:10 AM
@TheDudeRusty thats exactly how I took that too
Battabing
Battabing - 7/19/2014, 7:15 AM
I wonder why he thinks FalCap will sell more comics when he's got the worst Captain America writer in 10 years (Rick Remender) at the helm. Sales of Captain America tanked with Steve thanks to Rick. You have a $700M movie with the character and his comic stinks.

Don't even get me started on Thor Woman.
ChuckV
ChuckV - 7/19/2014, 8:22 AM
Axel Alonso is clueless ... to admit what he said about selling comics with gimmicks and DEATH shows how misguided MARVEL is. That's why it's so hard to keep readers these days.
binky986
binky986 - 7/19/2014, 8:54 AM
The last time Marvel made it more about sales than the fans, didn't they go bankrupt?

Personally, nothing from Marvel gets me excited anymore. Lady Thor and Cap Falcon or whatever the heck they'll call him is yet another floundering idea to "get readers".

And they do change everything when movies come out 'cause that's when they get new readers - Spider-Man: The Other was right around the first Spider-man, and he "evolved" and got organic web shooters; Marvel NOW! was right after the Avengers movie. So yeah, I think it's safe to say the MCU has an influence on the 616 universe.
ruadh
ruadh - 7/19/2014, 9:03 AM
Ah, they've been doing gimmicks for decades now. Killing characters (Superman's death received tons of news coverage), multiple covers, hologram covers, foil covers, chase variants etc. And there was a boom in the 90s because so many people who weren't readers were buying up these things as investments. When they finally figured out the true value of these things, the comic industry sank back down to struggling.

I remember a panel in the early 90s at comic con where they were basically asking everyone in the audience how the hell to get more readers?!

I really don't see how now is different from then, as far as what they put out. Still multiple covers, still killing major characters etc.
ruadh
ruadh - 7/19/2014, 9:39 AM
Thank you.

Also "stories that sell comics" are actually not gimmicks etc. The gimmicks may get a new reader to buy a comic, but it's a safe bet they are aware that it's good stories, entertainment, that will get that person to buy the next issue a month later.

When I was a kid, it was usually a neat cover, or an interesting character that would get me to try a new book. And then I'd have to go to town on back issues.
Jackraow21
Jackraow21 - 7/19/2014, 9:50 AM
I don't believe a word of his "the films aren't really driving the comics" crap. Just look at what Marvel is doing:

- Promoting the hell out of the Avengers. Marvel NOW has become just Avengers NOW.
- Pushing Guardians, Winter Soldier, Doc Strange and Ant Man hard as hell.
- Killing off the X-men's most popular character with no "exit strategy" for bringing him back.
- Further integrating the X-men into the Avengers books via Uncanny Avengers and AXIS.
- Canceling the Fantastic Four comic.
- Trying to make the Inhumans happen as a "hated and feared" group of heroes (good luck with that).

Yeah, I'm sure this is all just coincidence and occurring organically based on the stories their writers want to tell... *rollseyes*

Hell, I even think Sam Wilson as Cap may be teeing it up so that Anthony Mackie can take over for Chris Evans when he decides he's done. Evans has said before that he wants to direct and quit acting.

So pull the other one Alonso. I'm not buying what you are selling here, man. Sorry.
Lizardking310
Lizardking310 - 7/19/2014, 10:02 AM
"Marvel Comics Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso talks about how they don't really think about the movies when it comes to making drastic changes such as those seen in "Avengers NOW"



Yeah right ! That's why Peter Parker conviniently returned before TASM 2.... And that's why all the avengers will return before AOU next year ! Guaranteed Steve Rogers becomes Cap and the real Thor gets his hammer back from lady-Thor shit you'll even see Stark back to a gold and red armor!..... Drastic changes isn't good story telling it's just a quick grab for attention!
ruadh
ruadh - 7/19/2014, 10:02 AM
Evans did an interview to clarify that he does NOT want to quit acting. People insist on perpetuating it though.
ruadh
ruadh - 7/19/2014, 10:05 AM
And again, "drastic changes" is nothing new in comics. They do this, then go back later to status quo. Always. And yeah, I think he's downplaying how much the movies affect the comics (everyone switched to black leather uniforms after the first XMen movie came out), but peter parker was coming back anyway. The avengers will always come back, movie or not.
rabid
rabid - 7/19/2014, 10:42 AM
X-Sanction set up a nice future timeline where the Avengers turn against the X-Men. I have a feeling that this prophecy will slowly come to fruition over the next few years and be the factor that kicks the mutants off the Avengers team. We're already seeing one of Cable's predictions coming true in Superior Iron Man.
But I'm more interested in the prophecy of the Marvel Now timetraveler that dropped in to talk to Fury.
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