Sony Planned to Make A Carnage Movie, a Spider-Man 2099 Movie, A Venom Movie and An Adaption of the Clone Saga

Sony Planned to Make A Carnage Movie, a Spider-Man 2099 Movie, A Venom Movie and An Adaption of the Clone Saga

I must say this info is pretty crazy especially how Sony were going to make an Avengers Styled Universe.

By Malcopunch - Apr 21, 2015 08:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Comics



I know what you are thinking, what were Sony's Plans for Spider-Man, well besides the Sinister Six Movie they were planning to do something else and my god. The Secret Six stuff is werid but man..this takes it to a new level of what the hell. 

Juan Cadget the Exectuive Director of Creative Advertising laid out the future plans for the Spider-Man Franchise in an email that WikiLeaks managed to get a hold of. She first started off with:


"Sony Pictures’ Executive Director of Creative Advertising at Screen Gems, Juan Capdet. In a November 15, 2014 dated email under the subject heading “Thoughts on a Franchise,” Capdet opens his proposal with the following: So I have been doing a lot of thinking… over the past weeks we have seen both Marvel (who have a tight plan) and DC/WB (who look like they might finally be getting their shit together) make huge announcements for the future of their slates and franchises. On the other hand, we have been assailed by rumour after rumour of bizarre spin-offs (Aunt May) or that Spidey is going to be sold or loaned back to Marvel. What we need is a solid plan for the future. Clearly laid out for the next five years at least that shows the fanship and the public that Spidey is still in safe hands. I also believe that this studio needs a dedicated Spider Division that runs as a studio within the studio. Marvel and DC Entertainment are successful because there are dedicated resources and teams that just focus on these properties. We need that here.On that note, here are my ideas for the future of the franchise. These are just rough outlines but I think could be a good start to the path to success. I thank you in advance for humouring me by listening to me. Looking forward to your thoughts…"

Orginally before the Marvel Buy. Seven - yes Seven Spider-Man Tie Ins were in Devlopment. These tie ins included:

Spider-Man: Kraven:

  "Kraven (in Sinister 6 slot in 2016) – in a never before move we do a prequel to ASM2, Gwen is still alive. Norman is still alive but increasingly getting sicker. He has seen and heard of Spider-man/Peter Parker (following the events of ASM1) and having seen that he was wounded by the police shooter has hired a Russian big game hunter, Kraven, to track him down and bring him in. Norman believes that in Peter’s blood is the key to cure him. Kraven ultimately captures Peter/Spidey and supplies Norman with vials of his blood. Norman, in an attempt to synthesize a cure, actually ends up becoming the original Goblin and transforms like the Ultimate version. Spidey and Gobby battle it out with Gobby running away weak and which leads us to the frail state that we see Norman in ASM2."

Spider-Man 2099:


"Spider-man 2099 (2nd half 2017)- this is our Captain America-type franchise. Instead of a period WWII film, we have a futuristic New York in the year 2099. Miguel O’Hara origin story (heads up genetics department at Alchemax and becomes Spider-man). He is up against the evil conglomerate Alchemax and trying to battle either Morlun (who will chase him through time to devour him) or Kron Stone (Venom 2099). In the end the villain is defeated while battling at Alchemax and Miguel/S2099 ends up being sent back in time to present day NYC. This leads into a team up with 616-Spidey to take down Carnage (Payoff level event)"


"ASM: Venom (first half 2018) – Eddie Brock Jr “ultimate” origin story but with some 616 details. In the end Spidey defeats Venom and sends him to Ryker’s. Coda shows the birth of Carnage ASM.

"Black Cat (second half 2018) – Felicia Hardy gets properly introduced. We see her get her “luck powers” from Wilson Fisk/Kingpin. Eventually she has an encounter with Spidey and it ends with an understanding that she is not the bad person she appears to be. "

"Carnage (2019) – the event that everyone has been wanting. Cletus Kasady makes his debut and it will take a team-up like no other to take him down. Peter/Spidey, Miguel/Spider-man 2099, Venom and Black Cat join forces to bring him to justice. This would be a hard PG-13 with the possibility of an unrated bloodier version for home entertainment. "


They even wanted to make their own Avengers are were so desperate they wanted to do an adaption of the Clone Saga:

"ASM: Jackal (second half 2019) – Dr Miles Warren had fallen in love with Gwen when she interned at Oscorp. When she died he blamed Spidey for her death and vowed vengeance. He attempts to clone her but fails. Instead using the blood and tissue samples that Norman had Kraven acquire he creates two low-grade clones of Peter, one who will eventually Ben Reilly and the other Kaine. He uses these to clones to unleash chaos on the city and not until Spidey defeats them and figures out that they are the same can the bring down Jackal. Here we see the birth of Scarlet Spider."

If Spider-Man 2099 was sucessful they wanted to turn it into a franchise:


Spider-man 2099 2 (first half of 2020) – Miguel is stuck in the present day but is trying to get back to 2099. However he must keep Tiberius Stone (his future grandfather) alive or his whole existence will cease. S2099 encounters Mac Gargan, Scorpion and they battle it out. But will Miguel get back to his time…


Those are all the Spider-Man Films planned at that time. I must say it was pretty ballsy for Sony to try and make an Avengers style franchise. Too bad it didn't pay off though

Link: http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/2015/04/19/sonys-amazing-spider-man-franchise-plans-part-one-the-sequels/#more-48165
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BlackIceJoe
BlackIceJoe - 4/21/2015, 9:18 AM
A Kraven being the villain in a Spider-Man film would have been cool. It being a prequel, not so much.
Visualiza
Visualiza - 4/21/2015, 9:22 AM
Looks like Sony set out to give Spider-Man fans PTSD.
Demiurge
Demiurge - 4/21/2015, 9:22 AM
That Kraven movie :)
I would've liked to see that.
Enphlieuwince
Enphlieuwince - 4/21/2015, 9:25 AM
I want a SM 2099 film so badly, but, I guess this is for the best if it was gonna to be made by the same ppl behind ASM2.
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 4/21/2015, 9:25 AM
LOL nothing stops them from doing this now with the new Peter///
Ultimates
Ultimates - 4/21/2015, 9:26 AM
KingPin?

Marvel has Kingpin's rights, so this is bullshit
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 4/21/2015, 9:26 AM
"DC/WB (who look like they might finally be getting their shit together)"

At least they're doing something, Sony.
Malcopunch
Malcopunch - 4/21/2015, 9:27 AM
My guess this was written before Daredevil was given back to Marvel
Sigma9
Sigma9 - 4/21/2015, 9:32 AM
My head hurts after reading so many horrible things, sony was stupid instead of making one good movie they were planning 10 around the same character
chriskrispy
chriskrispy - 4/21/2015, 9:33 AM
If the Kraven film was ASM2, that may have worked. I can deal with two villains, and ultimate gg isn't terrible. It might have been nice to see this, but I'm definitely thankful he's in Feige's hands now.
FirstAvenger
FirstAvenger - 4/21/2015, 9:35 AM
I like most of these ideas, not sure if they could make it work though.
Wannabe
Wannabe - 4/21/2015, 9:35 AM
Spider-Man 2099 sounds cool.
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 4/21/2015, 9:35 AM
The Spider Man mythos is essentially a whole universe in itself in the comics, it's so rich.
So it does make sense to replicate this in the movies.
I have no problem.

It is exciting to hear they were going to give Felicia her Luck powers. It's a damn shame Whedon couldn't even do that to Scarlet Witch.
Nick56
Nick56 - 4/21/2015, 9:38 AM
Im so tired of seeing the same old Spider-man story over and over, part of me almost wishes these movies came into fruition. Hopefully we will see some of this in the future cause Ive wanted a Spider-Man 2099 movie and Black Cat film for a long time.
AlexdoxA
AlexdoxA - 4/21/2015, 9:40 AM
@mrniklander exactly
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 4/21/2015, 9:42 AM
Venom and Black Cat are awesome characters.

Although I like Felicia being older and so I can't say id enjoy a teenaged Felicia all that much in the MCU/Sony reboot.
But I just want to see her!
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 4/21/2015, 9:44 AM
The good thing about this deal, is that Sony still owns most of Spiderman.
He can appear in Marvel movies here and there BUT he isn't completely tied down to Marvel and so Sony can still do a lot of these ideas, have Spider Man explore these alternate universes etc...

If any superhero franchises can be Sci-fi heavy, it's Spider Man and Fantastic Four.
Verzwei
Verzwei - 4/21/2015, 9:46 AM
Damn, these plans actually sound pretty solid... All of them, really. Now I'm regretting that the deal happened.

Yet, SONY can still develop Spidey movies with the help of MARVEL. I really want that Spider Man 2099 to be made! And the sequel is heavily based on the current run in the comics (LOL)!
AC1
AC1 - 4/21/2015, 9:46 AM
@UltimateJoker Kingpin may have been one of those shared rights situations like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. I'm pretty sure there was an article on here a while back stating that when Fox made their Daredevil movie they had to sign off with Sony to use Kingpin.

There again, given that these details are from leaked emails, it could be that when they were planning the movies they were simply unsure who held the rights to Kingpin, and were going to check on it later. It could also indicate that the Sony/Marvel talks were happening long before any of these movies were planned.
AC1
AC1 - 4/21/2015, 9:48 AM
I have a feeling this Spider-verse thing may still happen to some degree. With WB making a DC Universe, Fox spinning X-Men off into a sort of universe too (as well as having F4), and other studios like Universal apparently trying to apply the formula to non-superhero properties, maybe Marvel want to add something new to keep ahead of the game? The Netflix shows were a start, they're like their own little corner of the MCU. What if Marvel wants to expand on that, and use their partnership with Sony to establish some kind of Spider-Man mini-verse within the MCU? Of course it wouldn't do them much good financially, with all the profits going to Sony, but it'd certainly heighten interest in the MCU even further, while also presenting more story opportunities in Marvel's own movies if they had all those characters and ideas to work with.
ruadh
ruadh - 4/21/2015, 9:55 AM
I would definitely love a Spiderman 2099 movie. If for no other reason,my kids are half Irish/half Mexican.
SuperCat
SuperCat - 4/21/2015, 9:56 AM
Sony would have found a way to f*ck up Kraven.

MyNameIsKhan
MyNameIsKhan - 4/21/2015, 10:01 AM
A Venom movie would be awesome
A Carnage movie would be awesome
Kraven should have been used in one of the past 3 movies
Spider Man 2099 would be [frick]ing amazing...
but Spider Man is with MCU now.............................................................................................................
beto
beto - 4/21/2015, 10:01 AM
David Hasselhof was born to play Kraven
JamesMann
JamesMann - 4/21/2015, 10:01 AM
This sounds better than what Marvel's doing with Spider-Man...

Sigh

TASM2 was a stumble but this shows real ambition. What could of been.
JamesMann
JamesMann - 4/21/2015, 10:06 AM
I mean, I liked what they had lined up but this list sounds way cooler.
Odin
Odin - 4/21/2015, 10:36 AM
Not buying this. This seems like something a producer wrote on the other side taxi-receipt, as bullet list, on his way to a meeting.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/21/2015, 10:45 AM
Clone Saga?

Let's do One More Day and Sins Past while we're at it.
dennisv
dennisv - 4/21/2015, 10:48 AM
Definitely sounds interesting. Too bad. What could've been....
EthanSmith1
EthanSmith1 - 4/21/2015, 10:48 AM
I think that Marvel and Sony both shared the rights to Kingpin ala QS and SW.
MisterSuperior
MisterSuperior - 4/21/2015, 10:48 AM
@JamesMann

"TASM2 was a stumble"

That was some stumble.
Calculon
Calculon - 4/21/2015, 10:55 AM
The weird thing is, some of these I would actually want to see. It comes off though like Sony didn't have a plan other than making a team up movie every now and then.
Odin
Odin - 4/21/2015, 11:09 AM
@LEVITIKUZ The superior Spiderman after those?
Owlman88
Owlman88 - 4/21/2015, 12:02 PM
@UltimateJoker

They may have not been aware of where the rights were, even K-Feige had trouble telling a reporter where the rights for Namor are.
Giggy
Giggy - 4/21/2015, 12:08 PM
SPIDER MAN 2099 yes pleeeeaase!
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