GAME OF THRONES: Is SPOILER Really Dead?

GAME OF THRONES: Is SPOILER Really Dead?

Last night's season 5 finale of Game Of Thrones was a predictably bloody affair, and we once again said goodbye to a much-loved main character... or did we? Let's compare and contrast the fate of SPOILER in the books and the show, and see there's the possibility of a return...

Editorial Opinion
By MarkCassidy - Jun 15, 2015 11:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Game of Thrones
Source: Quotes Via EW
The closing moments of last night's Game Of Thrones season finale saw the ever honourable Jon Snow cut down by some of his own men, with young Olly delivering what appeared to be a killing strike. In George R.R. Martin's most recent novel, "A Dance With Dragons", this happens in much the same way but things are left more ambiguous in regards to Jon's ultimate fate.

The character is a skinchanger like his brother Bran, and it's implied that before his death he "wargs" into his Direwolf, Ghost. Fans may have been hoping to see Jon's eyes go white just before we faded to black last night, but alas it wasn't to be.



So, he's really dead then? That's what the showrunners and actor Kit Harrington would have us believe anyway. The latter spoke with EW about it, and insists that all the talk of an extended season 6 contract is irrelevant: he's not coming back.

"This is my understanding of it. I had a sit-down with Dan and David, we did the Tony Soprano walk [letting an actor know they’re being whacked]. And they said, “Look, you’re gone, it’s done.” And as far as the salary thing goes, that angered me when that story came out. I don’t know where it came from, but it was inaccurate in many ways. It’s going to put questions into your head and into fans’ heads that things are not what they are. Quite honestly, I have never been told the future of things in this show, but this is the one time I have. They sat me down and said, “This is how it is.” If anything in the future is not like that, then I don’t know about it – it’s only in David and Dan and George’s heads. But I’ve been told I’m dead. I’m dead. I’m not coming back next season. So that’s all I can tell you, really."


Producer Dan Weiss is no more optimistic about the chances of Jon's survival.

"Dead is dead. […] We would hope that after seeing the scene and the way it’s shot that the answer to that will be unambiguous in the minds of the people watching it. It should be pretty clear what happens in by the time you’re done seeing that scene. It’s not an, ‘Oh what just happened scene?’"


The thing is, we know that in the books AND on the show, dead isn't necessarily dead at all. We've seen Thoros of Myr use his power to resurrect Beric Dondarrion, and it so happens that another R'hllor worshipper made her way to Castle Black just before Jon was attacked. Yes, the other popular fan theory is that Melisandre will recognize Jon as the true reincarnation of Azor Ahai (the legendary warrior she initially believed Stannis to be) and bring him back to life.

Martin himself has hinted that it's not the end for Snow in the books, so it'd be odd for HBO to kill off such a beloved character for good when his literary counterpart is expected to return. Odd, but not unheard of - remember Lady Stoneheart?

All we know for sure is that those involved with the show definitely want us to think that's the end for Jon Snow, even though he will more than likely return in "The Winds of Winter" in some capacity. The question is, do you believe them?


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MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 6/15/2015, 11:54 AM
Yeah Ok..I'll delete this article then....
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 6/15/2015, 11:59 AM
Lmao Ror!

I think Harington and the producers are just playing coy. If we want to believe they're telling the truth, then all they're really saying is that Snow is DEFINITELY dead. Which we already knew. That's not ambiguous at all. They don't say that he's NEVER coming back to life. Harington says he won't be back next season, so maybe they're pulling a "Bran" and leaving Snow and the Wall out of next season altogether, only to bring him back in the one after?

Or they're just lying to our faces and this is all just misdirection so that it actually feels unexpected when it does happen next season. Because personally, I find it hard to believe they'd either follow the events at the Wall but keep Jon dead all season long, or that they'd just abandon the plot at the Wall altogether and focus on Sam and Gilly's adventures in Oldtown instead. Both of those options would be terrible, so hopefully they're just lying and end up bringing him back next season.
MFDOOM
MFDOOM - 6/15/2015, 12:00 PM
Milesandre will resurrect him. Snow is the only reason she's even at the Wall.
ALegendaryPanda
ALegendaryPanda - 6/15/2015, 12:00 PM
If Jon doesn't come back, I'm officially cheering for the White Walkers. [frick] it.
speedyg33
speedyg33 - 6/15/2015, 12:01 PM
Maybe this is the compromise so the show doesn't spoil the books. Dead on the show but alive in the books.
sickboy76
sickboy76 - 6/15/2015, 12:03 PM
Haha we've got someone new to hate in that little shit olly and a new hero the night king. Dany, tyrion and arya are safe, get sansa out of there and then let the walkers loose on westeros.
BlackHulk
BlackHulk - 6/15/2015, 12:04 PM
If they don't bring Jon Snow back, they would be alienating many loyal fans of the series. But unlike The Hound, Rickon Stark, Benjen Stark, ect. Snow's departure would leave a gaping plot hole that needs to be fixed. From educated assumptions, the Nights Watch that betrayed Snow doesn't take the White Walker threat seriously. Without Snow, how could the Nights Watch rally the Wildings to fight off the Walkers instead of heading further south? Even if they could rally the Wildlings to fight with them, who is at the Wall to tell them how White Walkers are defeated? Who currently at the Wall has ever defeated or let alone seen a White Walker? Why is the Red Witch at the Wall if she does not plan to revive Snow? Why build up the mystery of Snows parentage if he will never live to find out the truth? What is to happen of Ghost? What purpose will Ser Davos serve now that he has no king to serve and Snow is dead? Who can Sansa turn to when Bolton's army comes looking for her? Brienne and Pod? Come on now.
Grodd87
Grodd87 - 6/15/2015, 12:05 PM
If he is dead I am done with this show lol. One of the only good people left on the show but at least we get the mountain back
MisterHolmes
MisterHolmes - 6/15/2015, 12:06 PM
Theres literally 3 maybe 4 likeable characters on this show. i hope the white walkers just kill everyone
BlackHulk
BlackHulk - 6/15/2015, 12:08 PM
MFDOOM, what if Milesandre intentionally sabotaged Stannis and had a part in the mutiny against Snow so that she could get what she had been after since the first episode of this season?
TheBeard
TheBeard - 6/15/2015, 12:13 PM
Season six starts filming next month so if Harrington shows up on set it will leak, and prove that they were just trying to keep it a secret for people who haven't read the books. In which his fate is left more open ended.
sickboy76
sickboy76 - 6/15/2015, 12:13 PM
Can't believe the most hopeful moment in that finale was the on and sansa jumping to their probable doom.
speedyg33
speedyg33 - 6/15/2015, 12:13 PM
Everyone is missing the good news !! The boys are back !!

slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 6/15/2015, 12:14 PM

batz11
batz11 - 6/15/2015, 12:19 PM
Jon will be back, [frick]ing better...

Sansa and Theon fell in a big snow pile, they'll be fine too.
speedyg33
speedyg33 - 6/15/2015, 12:21 PM
He began the season in a box now he's ruling Meereen

watcher
watcher - 6/15/2015, 12:26 PM
Milasandre will do some funky blood magic and revive him thus revealing to us that he has "King's Blood" in him.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 6/15/2015, 12:28 PM
A quote for George R.R. Martin: "Oh, you think he’s dead, do you?"
rebellion
rebellion - 6/15/2015, 12:30 PM
lmao at all the people saying they're done.. the same way they were done after ned's death... and the red wedding... and sansa's wedding scene...
BlackHulk
BlackHulk - 6/15/2015, 12:31 PM
Tyrion and Varys will do more good for Mereen in a week than Dany has done the entire. Dany has confidence and charisma, but she is also arrogant. She is young and rarely makes intelligent decisions on her own.
capcyclopsftw
capcyclopsftw - 6/15/2015, 12:32 PM
BlackHulk said it best.

Now we wait. ugh. Seriously, if he's dead for good, then there was a lot of shit that went down for nothing.
speedyg33
speedyg33 - 6/15/2015, 12:36 PM
@BlackHulk It takes Three Heads of the Dragon to rule.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 6/15/2015, 12:37 PM
LOL.. Not into GOT but it seems like shock porn from what i hear.
JorL5150
JorL5150 - 6/15/2015, 12:42 PM
On a scale of one to julia roberts, satan is about an 8.
Maybe high 7s.
Ghostyy
Ghostyy - 6/15/2015, 12:46 PM
Let's be real, he's definately coming back. Like Sam said, Jon always comes back.
DeusExSponge
DeusExSponge - 6/15/2015, 12:48 PM
He'll be back, no way in hell are they going to let him die! Especially since Melisandre is at the wall!
willyburz
willyburz - 6/15/2015, 12:59 PM
These last three shows have been CRAZY, just nuts...emotions all over the place. The first four shows were slow, but hot damn it pick up the rest of he way! Im pissed at Jon's demise, but theres been way too much setup/hints for him not to come back! If he doesnt, we got super trolled!
MercwithMouth
MercwithMouth - 6/15/2015, 1:08 PM
He's not dead. If he is, I'll be pissed, but I won't stop watching.
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