THE AVENGERS 2 Theory: Do SCARLET WITCH and QUICKSILVER Need a Different Approach on the Big Screen?

THE AVENGERS 2 Theory: Do SCARLET WITCH and QUICKSILVER Need a Different Approach on the Big Screen?

If Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are brought into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, they cannot be called mutants per the movies rights deal with Fox. Let's speculate how this could work...

Editorial Opinion
By TheDailySuperHero - May 17, 2013 09:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers




"No more mutants."

That is what the Scarlet Witch said in the House of M comic book storyline but this is not about the comic book universe, this was just a good way to start this theory post. This is about the movie universe, specifically, the Marvel Studios cinematic universe.

So let's talk The Avengers 2 or The Avengers Sequel, whichever you want to call it. What do we know about it? Not much.

We know Joss Whedon is still writing the script, the movie should start principle photography in the first half of next year and we know that the core Avengers team will be back.

But what does that mean? Core Avengers team? It means Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and the Hulk will all be back. That's your core team. Not the Black Widow or Nick Fury or Iron Patriot or the Falcon. It's those four superheroes whose Phase 1 movies led to the first ensemble movie and they are the only definite heroes who will back for the big sequel. At least as of right now and until official announcements are made as to which heroes will be in it.

One of the big reasons this all needed explaining is due to the fact many fans think all of the secondary characters will make an appearance in The Avengers 2. Well this may not the case.

There are already rumors traveling around the Internet saying that Fury or Hawkeye or Widow may not be back and some of those will be right. Others will be wrong. One thing is clear and it's that Whedon is bringing new heroes to the team.

He has already been on record talking about a brother and sister duo which is obviously the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. But the one thing to remember about these siblings is that they're mutants and Marvel Studios does not have the movie rights to mutants (Fox does) or even to say the word mutant in the MCU.

Which brings us to our point. After discussing some Avenger and screenwriting theory with a close friend who has done actual Hollywood scripts in the past it was agreed that while Whedon is writting his script for The Avengers 2 he has to be considering new origin stories for the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Yup, that is where it gets all "Trevor Slattery". (Definition: Trevor Slattery. To drastically change a character on the big screen compared to his/her comic book version where fans freak the f**k out. This is a thing now, right?)

All jokes aside, how Whedon will go about explaining the duos powers is beyond comprehension right now since he cannot call them mutants nor can he reference their father Magneto. That is, unless Marvel can strike some deal with Fox but let's not get too far into any of that speculation or theory right now.

We have The Avengers Sequel to worry about, not a possible giant Marvel Studios-Fox crossover movie that will most likely never happen.

What are your thoughts on what might be done with the brother/sister duo since Marvel cannot call them mutants?


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DeadManDann
DeadManDann - 5/17/2013, 9:44 AM
@LEVITIKUZ

Yeah, the Ultimate versions of the characters are.... "close."
DangerDuck83
DangerDuck83 - 5/17/2013, 9:45 AM
Just saw Joss tweeted a pic of Amy Acker & Alexis Denisof together and couldn't help but joked about Wanda & Pietro lol
ATrueHero1987
ATrueHero1987 - 5/17/2013, 9:48 AM
@Nomis I agree
Nova2012
Nova2012 - 5/17/2013, 9:49 AM
They definitely don't have to reference Magneto as their father....they had no clue he was even their father for a loooooong time (I could look it up when they found out but I am too damn lazy)
Gary8264
Gary8264 - 5/17/2013, 9:51 AM
Maybe they were two kids that Walter Bishop experimented on while he had a lab in Florida.
TechNation
TechNation - 5/17/2013, 9:52 AM
I say make it a mystery until A. they get the rights back or B. Strike some crazy deal with Fox....
ParisSun
ParisSun - 5/17/2013, 9:52 AM
@Levitikuz
If they use that crap it will ruin the movie for me. No incest storyline in the movie please. In fact I know Disney will not allow that crap into an Avengers movie, so no worries.

The Magneto issue will be easy since they didn't know he was their father anyway for awhile.

As far as their powers are concerned you could have SHIELD or some baddies like Hydra experimenting and trying to figure out how their powers work. You don't have to ever get to the why they have their powers if the Avengers step in to save them. Just leave it up to speculation and the mutant word can be avoided.
ballstothewall
ballstothewall - 5/17/2013, 9:52 AM
Maybe the brother and sister character is only Hayley and his sister having a part in the film or only a goddamn cameo? Whatever happens, In Whedon We Trust!
StarkAnthony
StarkAnthony - 5/17/2013, 9:55 AM
well they could say the word mutant but not use it to refer to comic mutants. Like if someone in the movie called Hulk "some sort of mutant freak" they would be fine
Gary8264
Gary8264 - 5/17/2013, 9:55 AM
@Nova, for a long time they were considered Bob Franks's (The Whizzer) kids, then the story changed to 'em bein' Magneto's kids. 'Course we don' want 'em to use the Whizzer's origin, he was bit by a mongoose, and got super speed from it.
"Make Mine Marvel"
JayTopStix
JayTopStix - 5/17/2013, 9:58 AM
You lost me at the your very stupid Trevor Slattery remark.
hiluxsurf2002
hiluxsurf2002 - 5/17/2013, 10:00 AM
Can the MCU use radioactive biting creatures? That seems to work well!
marccampos
marccampos - 5/17/2013, 10:01 AM
In Avengers they don´t tell anything about the backstory of Black Widow or Hawkeye.. They don´t to specify the origins of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver... They can´t say the word "mutant", they can explain it just saying "they just born that way"... or "it´s a family thing". In this way they don´t change anything and don´t break the connection with Magneto or mutants.
shelbz
shelbz - 5/17/2013, 10:01 AM
It's simple, they were orphaned in Eastern Europe and their powers just "came" to them in their formative years.

No need to reference mutants or the x gene
SkywayTraffic
SkywayTraffic - 5/17/2013, 10:03 AM
"Which brings us to our point" Paragraph 9 of a 12 paragraph article. High school English teacher says NO.
Blarcade
Blarcade - 5/17/2013, 10:04 AM
New approach? Yeah, that's....kind of an obvious statement. They can't be called mutants I believe because of licensing issues and they're father cannot even be brought up due to the same issues. I'm not a screen writer, even I know this.

It would be much easier to use one of the characters, I'd take Scarlet Witch and axe Quicksilver, but it's ultimately Whedon's choice. It would be much easier to manage as an explanation. Really, is there such a large group of people who got excited with the long awaited cinematic debut of Quicksilver?
Blarcade
Blarcade - 5/17/2013, 10:05 AM
with the announcement ^
DravinClaw
DravinClaw - 5/17/2013, 10:06 AM
They will work out a deal with fox cause it's a win win for fox of their x-movies crap out again they will be getting some money from avengers 2 and realize they screwed up the x movies and give the rights back and have Joss pen the reboot of the reboot of x-men movies and call it Uncanny X-Men and it will be another billion dollar movie....one can hope
DefcoN
DefcoN - 5/17/2013, 10:09 AM
Inhumans, that's the way to go.
hiluxsurf2002
hiluxsurf2002 - 5/17/2013, 10:09 AM
Even if Marvel got the rights back in the next few years, how can they reboot their entire Phases 1&2 and include story lines incorporating the X Gene? Nope, they will get an altered non-mutant origin. Maybe the cosmic cube? or maybe they posses some of the infinity gems?
NoAssemblyReqd
NoAssemblyReqd - 5/17/2013, 10:09 AM
Gamma radiation, the Tesseract/Asgardian magic, and the Super Soldier serum are currently in play in the MCU. Could there be a way to explain their powers in terms of one of these *without* necessarily contradicting their canon origins?
NoAssemblyReqd
NoAssemblyReqd - 5/17/2013, 10:11 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention Vibranium as another element in the MCU.
gambgel
gambgel - 5/17/2013, 10:13 AM
is that hard for Marvel and Fox to decide to use the words mutants and MAgneto?

Fox would be open to it, I mean... will it hurt their franchise? No, then?
Ryden
Ryden - 5/17/2013, 10:13 AM
It'd be really easy to keep things faithful as well as not step on any toes.

TONY: "So what's your guy's story? Carnie rejects? Something like that? Powers like yours don't come from no-where."

PIETRO: "If you must know, we were born with it."

TONY: "Ohh a family inheritance? Hmm interesting, must make Christmas dinner exciting at least, daddy cuts the turkey with lazer vision right?"

PIETRO: "Huh, lazer vision? Considering what my father can do, he'd make short work of that suit of yours"

"Ouch, touchy subject, and clearly some daddy issues"

Boom there you go, we mention the fact that they were born with their powers as well as eluding to a powerful father. Easy peasy. In fact you could have Nick Fury give a nod to the X-Men as well. "I've come across people like Pietro and Wanda before, it's nothing new, they're a hell of a lot nicer than that guy though..." which he says touching his eyepatch. Remember Wolverine's claw marks are present on Nick Fury's face in Avengers. I think there is some Ultimate thing where Fury lost his eye to Wolverine.

ATrueHero1987
ATrueHero1987 - 5/17/2013, 10:15 AM
@gambgel yes it would. FOX is the same studio that just let DD go because they didn't want Marvel to borrow certain characters from the F4(SS & Galactus).
KalebAmos
KalebAmos - 5/17/2013, 10:21 AM
Thanks for telling us absolutely nothing we didn't already know.
KalebAmos
KalebAmos - 5/17/2013, 10:24 AM
Who says they have to be 'called' anything?

Why can't they both be introduced as pretty mysterious characters, and when asked how they do what they do, just give each other a look and say "it's complicated" or "we were kind of born... different." Just leave it at that. I don't understand why everyone is making a big deal about having to MENTION 'mutant.' This is an Avengers movie, not an X-Men movie. If they're even included, they will likely have the least amount of screen time anyway.
Captainmurica
Captainmurica - 5/17/2013, 10:25 AM
@ryden : that would be perfect haha. I could see that working
Gatsu
Gatsu - 5/17/2013, 10:28 AM
even if the word "mutant" can't be used there's a lot of way to dance around it, you don't need an entire vocabulary to describe them just mention that they were born this way, with their powers and you're done, i don't see the problem
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