Why Batman will Always Beat Superman

Why Batman will Always Beat Superman

I love Batman and I love Superman, but if I had to choose between them, I would choose The Man of Tomorrow any day. So why would someone who loves Superman more than The Dark Knight vouch for the latter to ALWAYS win, read on to find out.

Editorial Opinion
By AquamanEatsSeafood - Sep 16, 2013 05:09 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman

There are plenty of users out there who are ranting about how Batman is going to fight and beat Superman, and regardless of your or my opinions regarding the subject it is clear and evident that Batman WILL beat Superman. It is a fact. It will happen. Here are just 4 reasons why.




1. Ideals

"Ideals?!? Ideals!?! Out of every possible argument you pull from you pull from Ideals! The Man of Steel snapped Zod's neck, and you cry IDEALS!!!"

I realize this may be hard for some of you to grasp, but Superman killing Zod was totally justified, and if you have a problem with it, feel free to complain about the poor execution (no pun intended) or the poor film-making involved in making it. But you should all just move on. Superman didn't want to kill Zod, and the director even said that in order for this to be a proper origin you would need to have some reason for Supes to have this rule.

"Well then Jackass, why didn't Batman snap Falcone's neck in Batman Begins, or shoot him with his [frick]ing gun?"

We are comparing two totally different characters; that is why. Batman refuses to kill because his parents were killed, and no matter what he refuses to stoop to the level of the criminal and the corrupt. Instead he chooses to simply instill panic-attacks, broken bones and any possible alternate that involves in making your life hell if you are a criminal.

Superman in no way wants to harm or kill anyone, which in a sense makes him so much weaker than Batman because Batman while not wanting to kill anyone is Eager to hurt or maim you if it means it gets a job done. Maybe I am exaggerating, but he did after all drop a guy from a building for the sole purpose of breaking his feet to get information. This is also not taking into account what blind rage can do to people.

2. Superman has to go easy

If and when the two heroes clash (and they will), Superman is now fighting a foe who is MUCH inferior to Zod in terms of how many punches he will take. Literally his only options are to wait for Bruce to get tired and quit (which will most likely not happen) or to fight back and go EXTREMELY easy on him. Otherwise he only has one option: let him win.

You might say, "Well what is stopping Superman from blasting Bats' kneecaps with his laser-vision?" The answer to this one goes back to my first point. Superman doesn't have any blood-lust. Is he capable of neutralizing Batman? Yes. Will he? No, because he doesn't want to. There is a reason he was given the condescending nickname, "The Big Blue Boy Scout."

Batman even admits in the comics that this is the case. That if Supes wanted to he could kill him, no contest.

3. The Media Will be Against Superman

No matter what, the media will be against Superman. Superman, unlike Batman, needs the public to like him. Now immediately you will be pointing out that in The Dark Knight, Bruce actually succumbs to pressure to give up the cape and cowl. The fault in this reasoning is this. Bruce Wayne saw hope for the future in Harvey Dent. He was convinced the world didn't need him, and he was doubly convinced that The Joker would continue to kill on his behalf. Bruce didn't want to give up Batman because of media pressure! Superman will.

Clark Kent didn't want to be Superman to begin with. It was something he did on instinct because he knew that Zod was going to give Earth a beating if he didn't give himself up. Not only this but he personally asked to see Lois when he was giving himself up. It sure as hell wasn't because he was smitten with love for her at first sight, it was because he knew that she would put in a good word for him (this is despite the fact that the interview never saw the light of day in the media). But in the canon of Superman: The Movie, he still contacts Lois despite barely knowing her, because he saved her life once, and thus also knowing she would have some bias.

Then there is Superman 2 where Clark, for much less and more selfishly, decided he wasn't going to be Superman anymore.

Granted I know there are comic book storylines where this isn't the case, such as when Lex Luthor becomes president, but in this case I believe it was Clark's own stubbornness to give Luthor any satisfaction of seeing him give up the cape.

The reason why all this is important is to remember the ending of Man of Steel. Metropolis is in ruins and a Wayne Enterprise satellite is destroyed. Do you think that anyone is going to love Superman after this. I can't imagine the news being bright. If any human were to go up against Superman and Superman were to win, the news would have a seemingly limitless amount of ways to construe this into a thing about how Superman wants to bully humanity or some shit. Goyer wrote an equally polarizing/controversial story about Superman giving up his American citizenship because of the bad press he was getting. Hell, in The Dark Knight Returns Superman fights Bats because the President asked him to. What does that say about him?

The point is that Superman inherently values his reputation and where as Batman does not. This means that when push comes to shove if Superman faces off against Batman, if he knows the press will not be on his side, he won't put up a serious fight.

I would like to say that in Superman's defense, though I do seem to make him out to be a narcissist, it isn't that he wants his image to be good, it is because he needs to know that people need him. If I may quote Doctor Manhattan, "Why protect a world that I no longer have any stake in." The reason I bring this up is because both heroes have someone to remind them why they fight. But the reason this doesn't apply is because as much as Superman is a Hero, he doesn't have a Lois Lane to be constantly by his side. She must naturally be separate from him in order for him to struggle when he is throwing down. He can't have her shouting encouragement when the city is being wiped out.

4. Batman is a Detective

You all knew this one was coming. Yes, Batman is a master strategist and detective. This means that no matter what the situation he has a plan. Even without Kryptonite he can find his way out of a jam. This one more than others I think goes without saying.




Let me get this out of the way. No matter what it may seem judging from how this article is structured, I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING! There are always going to be things I have forgotten, or may have let my own bias slip through, or I may entirely misrepresent a character and before you comment it is entirely true that I did. The fact of the matter is that regardless of how much I read or examine the lore of these characters I, you and the community will have separate individual interpretations of the character making it impossible for me to speak on behalf of all of you. Even if I could, I do not have the downtime to read and reread every single comic book about these characters to know everything there is to know about them. My point being, don't get too worked up if something I said contradicts how you feel. Lastly, I would just like to say this. Superman would, if made to fight Batman to the death, would and always will beat Batman. This is without question. However, to continue pointing this out is futile and childish because not only is this an extreme, but it says absolutely nothing about the quality of their character.

Have a good one. Take care.
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LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/16/2013, 5:39 PM
We talking MOS or comics?

Anyway coming from a big Batman fan, Superman > Batman
MegatronLP9
MegatronLP9 - 9/16/2013, 5:40 PM
This is supposed to be in Editorial section
ndwwrestler2
ndwwrestler2 - 9/16/2013, 5:41 PM
Oh boy. You done starting something now.

But as a Batman fan, Superman beats Batman in a one on one fight, there may be one scenario were Batman could beat Superman, and Batman can definitely outsmart Superman in some situations.

But ultimately, Superman beats Batman.
Invictor
Invictor - 9/16/2013, 5:42 PM
Batman I think will beat Superman, and I'm saying that as a fan of both Marvel and DC Comics.
MisterMagurlypse
MisterMagurlypse - 9/16/2013, 5:43 PM
I dunno about this one. I'll get back with ya in 2015.
ndwwrestler2
ndwwrestler2 - 9/16/2013, 5:44 PM
If Batman beats Superman in MOS, it'll probably be by using his smarts. But seeing how there calling it "The Man of Steel sequel" Superman is going to win in the end.
Superzero
Superzero - 9/16/2013, 5:45 PM
It wouldn't matter if we are talking comics OR movies...Batman will win because of the simple fact that when he "looks into the abyss" he simply does not blink, there is no hesitation. He is COLD and CALCULATING. 2 things Superman will never be. Now if Superman wanted to it would be very, very, easy for him to beat Batman. He could do it with one finger. I just don't think Batman would ever allow Superman to get to that point. For that reason alone Batman wins.
GhostSurfer
GhostSurfer - 9/16/2013, 5:48 PM
This explains my thoughts on the topic.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7015/1237668-biggrecheese_batman_vs_superman.gif
WhiteSAMURAI
WhiteSAMURAI - 9/16/2013, 5:55 PM
I really hope they don't fight in MOS2 or if they do don't have a clear victor. Because if Batman ends up winning it will "prove" to non comic readers that Batman is way better than Superman and then they'll see that as proof that Batman can beat every other superhero. And if Superman wins... well, I actually want to see him win because also I think there is no way that Batman can beat Superman in their first few meetings. But I would rather have them fight matbe for a little bit then team up to stop whatever is the threat in this next movie.
Superzero
Superzero - 9/16/2013, 6:11 PM
@Aquaman

Superman did get a bit dark in "Kingdom Come" which is considered canon. I can't say a Happy-Go-Lucky (?) Batman would be much fun...haha...the television show from the 60's is enough for me.

@WhiteSAMURAI

I really don't think the entire movie is going to be Batman and Superman bashing the crap out of each other. If anything Bruce will be helping fund the rebuild of the City while at the same time trying to figure out what Superman is all about. They'll be a decent fight and then they will both realize they stand for the same thing. I do hope that Superman sort of reinvigorates Batman, gives him hope....
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 9/16/2013, 6:13 PM
Does anyone remember in the bar scene when the guy tried to push Clark and Clark didn't eve move?!? But yet, Batman, another normal human, would be able to defeat him.

Let's take a look, in Man of Steel, Superman/Clark...

1. Could fly through buildings and brick walls with no damage whatsoever.

2. Stop a reverse gravity engine with little damage done.

3. Fought someone who not only was more highly trained, but also had the same powers as him.

4. Got caught on fire with no damage, saved a boat by catching that pillar thing that must've weight a ton.

Snyder set the bar pretty high for Superman getting beat by someone with a whole lot of gadgets and Armour on.
Pshh, give me a break...

That's the main reason I despise TDKR. They had Batman old ass rusty self beat Superman. Really pissed me off.

Was the final battle epic? Yes.

But you could obviously tell the write favored batman more.

Also, they made Superman another boy scout and a tool.

Snyder wanted to make Superman COOL again and he did, so I'm asking...please don't make Superman a pussy against Batman.
JasonGrayson77
JasonGrayson77 - 9/16/2013, 6:28 PM
Wow. This is flame war bait if I've ever seen it.
Greengo
Greengo - 9/16/2013, 6:35 PM
Batman will win. Batman is ruthless Superman is not.

Some people point to the fact that Superman broke Zod's neck in MoS as an indication that this interpretation of the Man of Steel is less idealistic than other versions.

But I think the fact that he broke Zod's neck will make him even less likely to be violent or ruthless in the sequel.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/16/2013, 7:04 PM
CaptainHulk3
CaptainHulk3 - 9/16/2013, 7:18 PM
Superman > Batman but totally coming around on Mos battle finale but the tornado debacle I will never.............eeeeeeeevver for give Snyder AAAAgaaaiiiin!!! But seriously NO thats some straight up BULL $#¡+ with the tornado!!!!!
McNyagano
McNyagano - 9/16/2013, 7:53 PM
Well i guess by your logic, Iron Man can beat Super Man too right?? We all saw the things Supes is capable of in MOS, no way Bats can defeat him even with kryptonite -_-
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 9/16/2013, 8:14 PM
I like how you wrote the whole article, and then tried to fend off counter-arguments with that last cute little paragraph that basically says anyone who disagrees is being childish. Cute.

You're not the first to make this argument, but where do you get the idea that in the next movie everyone will blame Superman for the destruction in Metropolis and hate him. Nonsense. He kept the world from being destroyed. He was willing to give himself up to Zod, and then destroyed the world engine. I have no doubt that Lois wrote a whole series of articles explaining that to people. There might be a few jerks in the press who try to blame it on him (the press just naturally seems to be full of jerks), but no, the majority of people are not going to blame him or hate him. They might still be wary, but that's it. Plus, it's not like a fight between him and Batman would necessarily be known to the press anyway. Batman would never want the press to know his actions, and it's not like either of them is gonna invite cameras to a fight. More than likely, if they do fight, most people in that universe never find out about it.

I've said this before-if the movie shows a confrontation between them, then Batman might beat Superman in some kind of strategic sense. But Superman wins any physical battle unless Batman uses kryptonite (which would still be basically beating him in a strategic sense.)
SnapperCarr
SnapperCarr - 9/16/2013, 9:41 PM
They'll tie. It's so obvious.


@intruder What do you have against them?
thebearjew
thebearjew - 9/16/2013, 11:44 PM
Batman>Superman

Even without kryptonite his ingenuity will always ALWAYS trump superman

Brains > Brawn
thebearjew
thebearjew - 9/16/2013, 11:45 PM
IF superman had IT in him then ya he could beat batman but he doesnt therefore he cant :/
CPBuff22
CPBuff22 - 9/17/2013, 2:06 AM
And the DC Fanboys implode.
aresww3
aresww3 - 9/17/2013, 4:07 AM
@bluman

Batman>Superman

Even without kryptonite his ingenuity will always ALWAYS trump superman

Brains > Brawn

Whoever said this, pure fiction. You don´t see nerds in school beating bullies by outsmarting them. No brains will win in the long term, in life as they will go on to succeed and have bullies as their bodyguards or cooks. But in a straight up fight, the nerd will get his face smashed in and go crying to his head master in hope he will do something. Brawn over brain. By the way supes is not stupid either, so this is all just a bunch of Bat-loving nonsense. If it was Green Arrow or Iron Man vs Superman, no body would be saying this crap. Cause Batman is soooooooo cool all of a sudden he beats everyone with a bloody Baterang.
aresww3
aresww3 - 9/17/2013, 4:11 AM
By the way not once has Superman ever even tried in a fight against batman. Not once. IN TDKR, superman was holding back majorly. he had many points in which he could have murdered batman. add to that superman has weaknesses. if it was Aquaman or Wonder Woman or Flash, Bats ass would be handed to him even worse.
WesMantooth
WesMantooth - 9/17/2013, 6:40 AM
1) The "Batman doesn't kill" argument is false. Am I the only person who remembers Batman knocking Harvey Dent/Two-Face off the roof at the end of Dark Knight Returns? Sure, he did it to save Gordon's kid...but how is that different that Supes snapping Zod's neck to save a planet?
2) Where is it written that Batman is smarter than Superman? Batman has had to hone his mental abilities b/c he doesn't have powers, but that doesn't mean Supes isn't as smart. The Batman vs Superman argument always seems to fall down to "brains vs brawn", when it should be "brains vs brains/brawn".

Either way - Superman beats Batman. Every time. If Superman is always holding back - or if he HAS to hold back - then that means Batman has never seen the full extent of his powers. So how would he plan to counter them?
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 9/17/2013, 7:35 AM
There is a reason why Batman has never beaten Superman in anything other than Elseworlds and alternate universe stories....
StrangerX
StrangerX - 9/17/2013, 8:06 AM
Ever since Supes stepped on the scene Batman has been calculating every possible outcome. Most likely if Bats is seasoned he's seen as some sort of good guy and has friends. Superman being new most likely won't know how to deal with a hero vigilante.
ArtisticErotic
ArtisticErotic - 9/17/2013, 8:49 AM
Only reason Batman will win is due to him being more popular with the public than Superman is.

It doesn't matter how smart, calculating or whatever Batman tries to pull logic says he should not be able to beat Superman.


It's like saying Ironman can Beat Hulk cause he's smarter ummmm no. In WWH Hulks raw strength and power was simply too overwhelming, no amount of intillegence could stop him, Tony got his ass handed to him no matter his genius.

This whole Batman can Beat Superman comes down to one thing, fanwanking. Fans, writers and creators alike have been trying to make Batman out to be the smartest man in the DCU and make everyone else look like a fool. I mean god forbid a guy who struggles to fight a clown on a daily basis has trouble with a godly alien.

Like others mentioned before, Superman is not just a big dumb brute. Supes can process information at a rate that Batman wishes he could, supes comes from a highly advance alien race, a rich earthling with some toys and gadgets should not be a problem for Superman.

Frank Miller is really to blame though, he started this whole Batman vs Superman war with his ever so famous statement that Superman and Batman should not be friends bullshit. Oh and the whole Dark Knight Returns thing where Batman beats Superman and that stupid line he gives to Supes at the end, probably the main reason people love that book in the first place.


GoldenMan
GoldenMan - 9/17/2013, 8:50 AM
I'm going to be impartial here.
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