AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: "The Kindred Saga" Concludes With A Whimper, But There Was One Big Shocker - SPOILERS

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN: "The Kindred Saga" Concludes With A Whimper, But There Was One Big Shocker - SPOILERS

"The Kindred Saga" concluded in Nick Spencer's final issue of Amazing Spider-Man, and while issue #74/#875 was a tad disappointing, it did at least contain some big surprises and another major retcon...

By JoshWilding - Sep 29, 2021 09:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics

Nick Spencer's Amazing Spider-Man run has been extremely hit-and-miss, but there's no denying that the Kindred mystery has been a compelling one. In the writer's final, giant-sized issue, we learn that Sarah and Gabriel Stacy were Kindred, working at the behest of the A.I. that Harry Osborn left behind after his death in Spectacular Spider-Man #200

Things get a little muddled, but the Harry who returned at the start of "Brand New Day" was just a clone, and the real Harry's soul has been stuck in Hell this entire time. The cloned Harry dies protecting his father and, with that, he's back on the shelf...or grave (the real deal's soul was freed by Mephisto, but he's presumably in the Marvel Universe's version of Heaven now). 

Gabriel and Sarah die after the disease that rapidly ages them finally takes its toll, leaving Spidey the victor. As for Mephisto, it's confirmed that he took Peter Parker and Mary Jane's marriage in order to stop their daughter from being born, as he foresaw the one who will end his reign in Hell. 

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So, Spencer attempted to make some sense out of "One More Day," but doesn't retcon it and never bothers having Peter propose to MJ (despite teasing it his entire run). They're still together, so it's possible Mephisto will target them again, but the best thing to come out of the whole "Kindred Saga" was seemingly "Sins Past" being retconned. 

We have a lot of unanswered questions, but whether they'll ever be addressed remains to be seen; was Harry controlling Gabriel and Stacy from Hell? It looked that way, but this all quickly devolves into being as nonsensical as how Spencer brought Steve Rogers back in Secret Empire

Check out Harry's sacrifice and a big Spider-Girl tease from Amazing Spider-Man #74 below:
 

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JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 9/29/2021, 9:11 AM
What a disappointment.
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 9/29/2021, 9:33 AM
@JoshWilding - Joshception!
PantherKing
PantherKing - 9/29/2021, 9:12 AM
These embedded pictures are not working Chief
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 9/29/2021, 9:46 AM
So in the end none of it really mattered.
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 9/29/2021, 10:03 AM
Called it!
AnthonyVonGeek
AnthonyVonGeek - 9/29/2021, 10:05 AM
I wonder why The Amazing Spider-Man is pretty much the only comic to get attention on here out all the comics that get released? 🤷‍♂️
Armageddon26
Armageddon26 - 9/29/2021, 10:36 AM
@AnthonyVonGeek - Spider-Man discourse always gets clicks
jj2112
jj2112 - 9/29/2021, 10:17 AM
Glad I quit when I did.
lawndart
lawndart - 9/30/2021, 10:43 AM
@jj2112 - I quit with the clones and now only buy older books (60s-80s) that I missed. Much less crazy involved and easier for my two brain cells to process
jj2112
jj2112 - 9/30/2021, 3:52 PM
@lawndart - Well I quit after the last Secret Wars and I agree, I prefer to read Silver Age comics now, and personally I love Spidey in the 80s.
lawndart
lawndart - 10/1/2021, 5:20 AM
@jj2112 - there were some really good Spider-Man stories in the 80s…especially Kravens Last Hunt. Cloak and Dagger, Hobgoblin, and Venom all were introduced in that period.
MisterMac
MisterMac - 9/29/2021, 10:30 AM
Norman still has the goblin serum despite getting Sins Washed or whatever right? Cause I am laughing really hard at clone Harry sacrificing himself to save his not-dad from a wound just like the one that didn't kill him.

Bring on Ben Reilly. The only readable section of this book for the last 3 years was his coda at the end.
EgonSpengler
EgonSpengler - 9/29/2021, 10:37 AM
Maybe this statement has always been true for anyone who hasn’t read a series for a few years, but I have no idea what any of this means and don’t even know where I’d have to begin reading for it to make any sense.
PapaSpank54
PapaSpank54 - 9/29/2021, 11:20 AM
Dude had a limp run which was made worse by cutting out for Substack. Have fun over there man, I sure won't miss your books at Marvel.
Who's getting Spidey now?
CLTMAN29
CLTMAN29 - 9/29/2021, 11:33 AM
Right, now that's over - hopefully Spencer will finally go and finish Morning Glories.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 9/29/2021, 12:48 PM
@CLTMAN29 - He's on Substack now, maybe he'll continue it there.
They've poached all the mainstream writers from all the top selling books. Lotta good stuff on there too. Hickman's 3 Worlds 3 Moons is pretty good.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 9/29/2021, 11:55 AM
Gotta hand it to Spencer for trying to a) retcon One More Day and b) try something different, but in the end I wouldn't say it really paid of.

Kinda wish Kindred was just the real Harry (could've even written it as Mehpisto sending him back in the real world with the mission of keeping making Peter doubt himself which puts a strain on his relation with MJ).
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 9/29/2021, 12:44 PM
So everybody bitches and moans about all the changes JMS makes in his run. Then years later Nick Spencer undoes them and we still bitch and moan, because things are no longer like they were in Brand New Day?

I think this speaks to a deeper dissatisfaction that we have not just as fans but as human beings in general.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 9/29/2021, 1:50 PM
@GwenLantern - The only real blemishes from JMS' run are Sins Past and One More Day, both of which he was forced to write by editorial mandate from Joe Quesada.
SnideCut
SnideCut - 9/29/2021, 2:41 PM
Ah, comic-books
TheLight
TheLight - 9/29/2021, 3:28 PM
What was the point to all of this??

"The Kindred Saga" didn't fix anything for me. All this time Harry has been a clone, just for cheap thrills.

I still have the taste of One More Day and Goblin and Gwen in my mouth that even holy water hasn't been able to vanquish.
dragon316
dragon316 - 9/30/2021, 2:26 AM
Is there anything marvel can’t do that doesn’t involve time travel and clones
NoobNoob
NoobNoob - 9/30/2021, 9:39 AM
Geez, i was trying so hard to defend this arc hoping that they would fix the OMD deal

but nope
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