Mark Millar Comments On Future Of Superhero Movies; Calls Green Lantern A "Blip"!

Mark Millar Comments On Future Of Superhero Movies; Calls Green Lantern A "Blip"!

The acclaimed writer and creator talks in detail about the future of comic book movies and how the less than critically and financially successful Green Lantern will effect them, and other DC movies, in the long term...

By JoshWilding - Jun 28, 2011 08:06 AM EST
Filed Under: Green Lantern
Source: Millarworld

Taking to the Millarworld forums, the comic book writer and creator has shared his thoughts on the future of superhero movies and why he thinks it's unlikely that we'll ever see the likes of Aquaman and The Flash hit the big screen. Having read this, I personally think it all makes a lot of sense and agree with Millar on many points. Be sure to share your thoughts in the usual place, and head on over to the site by clicking the link below to read the full version of the following.

I plan to focus solely on creator-owned for AT LEAST the next couple of years and so these trends are important. It's essential that nobody comes along and messes up the very successful system we've had for the last decade or so. But we have to keep things in perspective. Any Chicken Littles screeching about Green Lantern being a flop and ruining everything must look at the big picture and remember it's far rosier than any other genre. Our track record in comic book movies has been incredible since Goyer and Norrington changed the game with Blade, Singer carried it through with X-Men and Sam Raimi slam-dunked with Spidey. In the decade that followed we've had monster hits from almost unknown characters. Iron Man sells around 40,000 copies a month, but a combination of a fun script and very clever casting turned it into a $500 million grossing beast. Last year's sequel hit $650 million and these numbers don't even include DVD. The X-Men franchise has managed over 2 billion dollars in 5 movies and Spidey and Batman are the biggest of the lot. Check out www.boxofficemojo.com and it's very heartening to note that superhero and comic book adaptations have an incredible consistency for turning vast profits. There's the occasional dud like Catwoman and Jonah Hex, but these tend to be the exceptions rather than the norm and rare examples of unknown writers and directors being attached to characters traditionally coveted by the Hollywood A-list.

Three superhero movies have been out this summer and, bar GL, the others have done fine. Thor cost 150 mill and looks set to settle at around half a billion dollars. X-Men cost about the same and will probably sit around 350. Add in DVD and SPECIAL EDITION DVDs and these are in serious profit. Thor, we must remember, is another semi-unknown character in the mainstream and featured no bankable names. In this context, it's done INCREDIBLY well and X-Men had the disadvantage of no Wolverine (face it, nay-sayers, he's the best there is), a period piece and no actors recognised from the previous trilogy. Given these facts, it's another success as they're essentially starting from scratch with these prequels. The only genuine flop I think has been Green Lantern, which is a genuine shame and not for lack of love from the people involved. Nobody sets out to make a bad movie, but the non-Batman DC characters just don't seem to work in modern cinema and TV. I've loved these characters as far back as I remember, but whether it's Wonder Woman or Superman or the Aquaman pilot or Catwoman or Jonah Hex or Birds of Prey or whatever... they just don't seem to catch on in the modern world. I think it's hard to compete with the new characters (or even the more recent Marvel characters, created a full generation later). Batman works because he's more human for the big screen and more empathetic, but I fear The Flash and others would just meet the same fate as Green Lantern. They're just too outrageous to provide tension in a live action format and I'd love to see them done, Pixar style, as brilliant, theatrical animated movies. Aquaman talking underwater would have us wincing in live action. In a cartoon we wouldn't even blink. Some stuff just doesn't suit the format. Imagine instead Paul Dini and Bruce Timm getting 120 million to play with on a big Incredibles-style JLA movie!

In short, GL is a blip. It's registered because a 200 mill plus budget and 100 mill marketing campaign means they needed to make 600 mill to break even (after cinema costs are recouped) and will be lucky to crack 250 worldwide. But like I said we need to keep this in context and remember that even the Fantastic Four movies made a big profit. Hollywood is still very much in love with superheroes and will continue to be so until they consistently start losing cash. Next Summer? It's The Avengers, the sequel to the Dark Knight and a Spider-Man reboot I've heard nothing but great things about.





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Jackwagon
Jackwagon - 6/28/2011, 8:24 AM
I wish someone could reboot Millar. Maybe then I'll see the end issues of War Heroes.....
longbowhunter
longbowhunter - 6/28/2011, 8:25 AM
I agree with some of this, but still think Millar is a bit of an outspoken ass. The guy likes to hear himself talk. As for DC's characters not being able to translate to screen, I dont buy that.
ThaMessenger07
ThaMessenger07 - 6/28/2011, 8:26 AM
He seems to be on to something here. I would love for the DC films to be CGI films. That could be epic!
nuck82
nuck82 - 6/28/2011, 8:26 AM
more of a zit then a blimp
MIIIK
MIIIK - 6/28/2011, 8:27 AM
Super hero movies need to be realistic, they even found a legit scientific way to explain Thor and that all of their supposed magic is just tech & science not understood by us (which surprised me). It was clear that the hammer was tech based and SHIELD was extracting plenty of data from it.

The rest of the MCU such as the Skrull and Kree empire will be easy to ground in scientific reality.

DC Comics has a real problem with that, people are not as gullible as they were back in the pre-50's era. If they can make their movies as serious and realistic as the current Batman franchise and also combining them with a consistent shared continuity then they will be good to go!
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 6/28/2011, 8:27 AM
His statement about the DC characters is too extreme. It's all in the execution. He mentions Batman as the good DC movie exception, but Batman exemplifies that it's all in how you present the story. He has arguably the best (TDK) and worst (Batman and RObin) CBMs of all time. The character is also fortunate enough to be one of the top 3 superheroes in terms of popularity. Combine that with the fact that since he doesn't have powers, Batman movies aren't as difficult to pull off visually as someone like Spider-man and Batman has had a lot of chances to learn from past movies and get it right. To write off GL's potential for a movie after the first try is ridiculous and it's even more ridiculous to say the Flash and Aquaman couldn't possibly work as modern movies without ever having a chance.

However, I do like his idea of studios taking animation more seriously. I think that's our best chance of getting to see certain event stories on screen. In an ideal world in which Marvel gets the rights to all of its characters back. I'd love to see a CG movie of Civil War.
selinakyle
selinakyle - 6/28/2011, 8:28 AM
I must be the only person not interested in a Flash movie.
I for one am glad there will never be an aquaman movie.
TheLight
TheLight - 6/28/2011, 8:28 AM
DC has to make a bigger impact in cinema than this!
Fatbastic
Fatbastic - 6/28/2011, 8:28 AM
I don't know if it a matter of characters not being relatable as much as it is an issue with the writing and direction of these movies. I really think Man of Steel will turn it around for these characters.

Marvel's characters dont have any less outrageous concepts. Thor? It's crazy, but it works because the people who care are in charge of it.

I believe any of these characters are adopted by a talented director (such as Nolan), portrayed as an extraordinary being in a very realistic world, and given the love the fans have given them over the years, CAN succeed as a movie

....oh and hi, I'm new here!
Oxion
Oxion - 6/28/2011, 8:30 AM
Just because Green Lantern isn't the best movie ever doesn't mean its a bad movie. It's better than Thor and let's be honest, with all the things that happen in the GL universe, they only scratched the surface. It is a nice sort of intro movie to get people a taste of what a possible GL series could look like but alone its not a great movie. Good but not great. This could be the Batman Begins of Green Lantern (bad comparison but best one I could think of) by putting the character in this day and age and just letting people get to see him start then explode with the sequal. Also take into consideration that not much changed other than the visual aspects of GL, the characters, names, stories, the way in which it all happened is pretty much expected and predictable, especially by comic book fans. If you watch Batman: The Brave and the Bold, there is an episode called Scorn of the Star Sapphire!, watch it and tell me if it seems a bit familiar. Guess this is what all those "faithful to the comics" people must mean. Well it was faithful, too faithful and not surprising at all. X-Men First Class and The Dark Knight are far from faithful but turn out to be as Hulk would say," Best there is". Face it, Green Lantern has never been tapped before and we sort of set our expectations too high (which we always do so don't deny it)this is a decent start but it does have to pick up from here on.
Shaman
Shaman - 6/28/2011, 8:32 AM
I couldn't agree more with what he said! And i HATE Millar LOL

Just goes to show how unrelatable most DC characters are to the general public, aside from Batman of course. And i'm saying this as a DC fan. They simply aren't relatable. And it's not in their character conception, it's in their origins and back stories. They were never written for the average joe. And as much as it pains me to say this, Marvel's characters were, and they are proving it with each film they're putting out. They don't necessarily have "better" characters, but they definitely have way better source material to work with. And the fact that they don't have monkeys running their show into the ground like WB are doing to DC, is a definite plus. Their characters COULD work, IF they rebooted each and every one of them... Oh wait!
selinakyle
selinakyle - 6/28/2011, 8:32 AM
In this day and age, i can't take anybody seriously when they say GL was better than THOR.
Are you kidding me? Really?
Oxion
Oxion - 6/28/2011, 8:33 AM
btw SINESTRO CORPS RULES!
TayDee
TayDee - 6/28/2011, 8:35 AM
Green Lantern shouldn't even be playing in the same theatres as thor! Thor was 10X better than GL
BorisSenna
BorisSenna - 6/28/2011, 8:35 AM
Millar sure can run that mouth, huh
RadicalDuck
RadicalDuck - 6/28/2011, 8:35 AM
I do like Millar's work, mainly Ultimates and Kick Ass, but at times I find he is being too outrageous/outspoken just for the sake of getting attention, and here he is speaking as if he's an expert, and at times I find that a bit irritating. He's no Stan Lee! But there are a few good points- a realistic yet stylised CG movie could work. Pixar had a bash at it, and see how 'The Incredibles' turned out!
Brashlight
Brashlight - 6/28/2011, 8:35 AM
Well Said, I would love to see an incredibles style JLA!!!
Fatbastic
Fatbastic - 6/28/2011, 8:36 AM
you go girl!
Oxion
Oxion - 6/28/2011, 8:36 AM
No, Thor didn't wear the helmet, spent most of his time on Earth doing nothing, in my opinion didn't learn any lesson at all cuz human or mortal, Thor wont turn down a fight, the conflict and tension between Thor and Loki wasnt built up enough, everyone could look and be like "oh, guess they got issues". It was predictable and rushed, Loki was the best part of the movie. All those pretty FX don't buy me, I like substance.
ThreeBigTacos
ThreeBigTacos - 6/28/2011, 8:37 AM
Nexthero08: Green Lantern was better than Thor? Do you need help? Are you sick? I think there's an app for that.
Oxion
Oxion - 6/28/2011, 8:37 AM
@ Intruder- Yea and I saw how much money the Hangover 2 made and its total BS so more money dont mean crap to me. And yes, in my opinion, thank you.
MIIIK
MIIIK - 6/28/2011, 8:38 AM
@BIGBMH it's true that GL should be given another chance just to be since it was the supposed first time. In the JLA TV sow pilot from ways back they already gave GL a live action attempt with low budget at the time so the lessons should have been learned early on.

Now, unfortunately money does not grow on trees. If I was the financier of this GL project I would expect that DC execs would take the time to involve a decent script just like Marvel does. I would also expect that seasoned VFX professionals in the year 2011 with some of the most powerful computers of this millennium would also produce a movie that does not look like a video game on crack. Last but not least, you would expect better direction to the actors so that their true talents are utilized to enhance to movie watching experience.

Being that nothing I mentioned above was actually done properly, a lot of money was just wasted. Therefore, with money that does not appear out of thin air it's very hard to even legitimately consider another GL movie or anything like it in the future.

These DC guys made a massive mistake, and so much was expected of them after the recent batman movies....it was truly a waste of time. Let us hope that Superman can save the companies prospects of continuing making worthy films.
selinakyle
selinakyle - 6/28/2011, 8:38 AM
And all that pretty CGI couldn't save Goob Lantern. LMAO.
Some of y'all stay smoking crack 24/7!
Brashlight
Brashlight - 6/28/2011, 8:39 AM
Selina@ I agree, I'm an not interested in a stand alone Flash Movie. His power is too one dimensional. He works better as a complementing character, not as a leading man.

NextHero08@ Seriously?...Better than Thor?...you must be nuckin futs!
Lert
Lert - 6/28/2011, 8:39 AM
We all said that if GL would have stuck to space. combat, Oa.. perhaps a tad bit of Earth.. NO DAMN LOVE QUEST.. but realls space action.. Hell the first 12 or so minutes of that movie was damn good.. Stick with what works... thats why GL fans are willing to stick this out for a sequal.. some parts were incredible.
Brashlight
Brashlight - 6/28/2011, 8:41 AM
Mark Millar is a clown. Seriously, he looks like Bozo. And he's just bitter because Warner Bros didn't hire him to do his dream Superman flick.

DC's characters would do fine in live action, Green Lantern; Flash; Wonder Woman... they haven't translated well to the screen because a) The people upstairs at WB have no clue and they hire people who haven't a clue either.

Green Lantern's failure is due to three main reasons: 1) They overthought the movie; changed the costume, the lantern and other things. 2) AWFUL, script with cringeworthy lines that made me embarrassed. 3) Too cluttered -- this movie should have focused on Hal Jordan GL ONLY -- Sinestro as the villain, the only villain. No Alien corps until a sequel because the first film should focus on the central character. Most people I know thought GL was trying too hard to be Star Wars and in the Geoff John revisionist origin, it's way too obvious. Remember, Star Wars didn't introduce the jedi in the first film, just one (Luke) and told a brief history so an audience can digest the concept. Lucas didn't show the Jedi until the prequels and has gone on record as saying, Had he done The Phantom Menace first, before a New Hope, there may never have been a Star Wars Part 2. WB did Green Lantern as The Phantom Menace instead of as, A New Hope, which is what Hal Jordan became when Abin Sur passes him the ring.

No superhero is more silly than Spider-Man and his funky pj's. Yet, Raimi took Peter's world seriously and in the context of HIS world, the silly becomes believable.

In GL, they were making fun of it all over the place in the dialogue, almost telling the audience, 'We know this is ridiculous, pledging allegiance to a lantern but...'

Green Lantern could have been a blockbuster hit... but not with the team hired to do the job.
MIIIK
MIIIK - 6/28/2011, 8:42 AM
@NextHero08: He's just another ass trying to start something. I think only 10% of the movie going population thinks that GL was more entertaining than Thor.

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Shaman
Shaman - 6/28/2011, 8:43 AM
NextHero08- That "fight he didn't turn down" was him sacrificing himself for the mortals on earth. He bargained with Loki, offering his life in exchange for the mortals he was about to destroy. It was substance enough for the majority.
Oxion
Oxion - 6/28/2011, 8:43 AM
I just leave my mind very wide open and GL has that potential to still be sumthin better, idk where Thor could really go other than the Avengers. To me it was like everyone knows the Avengers movie is coming out so lets give the public a quick run through of who Thor is so he will be more relevant. It's not a bad movie but I don't see it going anywhere and I like GL better.
PirateOpossum
PirateOpossum - 6/28/2011, 8:44 AM
We need a animated Flash series. Not a live action Flash movie unless the script is amazing and they cast it correctly.

Imagine a serious human element to the Flash stories. The problem you have with Flash is the same with GL, you have too many of them to choose from. They went with a Hal Jordon Origin story because Geoff Johns was involved. So I am assuming they would go with a Barry Allen origin too because or the GL and Flash "Rebirth" series.

But there was John, Kyle and Guy Green Lanterns to choose from as we have Jay, Barry, Wally or Bart to choose from to make a Flash movie.

I am not sure how they could pull it off after GL. I still really liked GL but if their goal is to make money and not good films.. shame on them.
selinakyle
selinakyle - 6/28/2011, 8:44 AM
yeah, your mid sure is wide. lol
PirateOpossum
PirateOpossum - 6/28/2011, 8:45 AM
Green Lantern as well as Flash have WAY TOO BIG of a story to try to fit it all in a 2hr movie.
Oxion
Oxion - 6/28/2011, 8:46 AM
@ SelinaKyle-I don't smoke crack, so thanks. @MIIIK- I'm not an ass and excuse me for expressing my p.o.v. on here, If you have an issue wit what I think thats cuz u make it one. I'm not trying to "start" anything. Sometimes I forget what kind of people are one this site.
haljordan2814
haljordan2814 - 6/28/2011, 8:49 AM
Two words that weren't mentioned here: Christopher Reeves!

Another two: Richard Donner!

Probably the most epic Super hero movie EVER was the first serious attempt, all the way back in the 70's. No way Iron Man or Spider Man can surpass this classic.

That being said, as a fanboy, GL just shot to the top of my personal CBM list, and f**k the critics and anyone else who supports the anti-GL campaign.
stevepants
stevepants - 6/28/2011, 8:49 AM
We don't need superhero movies to be "grounded" or "serious". We just need them to be good. If GL had better pacing and a stronger script...AND STILL kept true to the comics..you'd all be saying how great it was that it stayed true to the comics.
haljordan2814
haljordan2814 - 6/28/2011, 8:51 AM
@NextHero08, I know what you mean, I've pretty much boycotted this site because of those people. I just happen to run across interviews like this and check it out. I used to go to the site specifically 4-5 time per day though.
MIIIK
MIIIK - 6/28/2011, 8:52 AM
@NextHero08: I just had to say it, I mean if we're going to be real critics here...there is nothing about GL to outdo Thor except that it had a few more actions scenes.

P.O.V. is one thing, evidence is another.
Brashlight
Brashlight - 6/28/2011, 8:52 AM
Intruder@ LOL, Gimme you money Bitch!

BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 6/28/2011, 8:53 AM
MIIIK "In the JLA TV sow pilot from ways back they already gave GL a live action attempt with low budget at the time so the lessons should have been learned early on."

Well, that barely counts. When I said learn lessons from the past, I wasn't really referring to presenting the character visually (even though they did vastly improve upon what they did with that JLA show) I'm talking about when you've got a solo movie for a character, what really works in terms of telling that story? What tone should they go with? How closely does it need to stick to the comics? What I'm really saying is that sometimes they get it right pretty early on with a character like Donner'Superman but many times the first try isn't a good indicator of the franchise's true potential.

I agree that the prospects are not looking good for a sequel. Honestly, for the more space based sequel that I think should happen, they would probably need an even bigger budget. That's a long shot. "Hey guys. I know our movie didn't make much money and might actually lose money, but I want you to give us even more money to make another one. We're gonna get it right this time, I swear!"
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