Champions Battle Poll (Week 6: Round 6)

Today's battles are: Nightwing vs Moon Knight... Rorschach vs Batgirl... Thor vs Silver Surfer...

Feature Opinion
By GuardianDevil - Apr 02, 2013 01:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Other
Source: Fenix122

Previous battles:

Black Panther beat Bronze Tiger.

Rorschach beat The Joker.

Thor beat Juggernaut.


As always be objective and use most iconic version unless otherwise stated.




Moon Knight vs Nightwing










Batgirl (Gordon) vs Rorschach









Silver Surfer vs Thor









Thanks for reading and voting, please leave your opinion in the comments and feel free to explain your decisions.
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ravennpilot
ravennpilot - 4/2/2013, 1:59 PM
The only fight I could vote for was the 2nd one and I voted for Batgirl. She doesnt kill but she beats the crap out of people who do. I dont see any reason why she would have trouble with this cat.
FOOM
FOOM - 4/2/2013, 2:36 PM
Nightwing
Rorschach
Surfer


LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/2/2013, 4:16 PM
Nightwing vs Moon Knight -- MK could give Batman a run for his money, and Nightwing...well...he's tough, but he's no Batman. MK by KO.

Rorschach vs Batgirl -- y'know, I voted Batgirl but now I'm double-thinking it. I thought, eh, Rorschach's a tough little bastard but Batgirl's much more skilled. Then it occurred to me Ozymandias couldn't even put Rorschach down and keep him down. So now I'm thinking BG would whoop up on Rorschach the first bit, but he'll keep coming. And once she runs out of steam, he'll beat her to a pulp. So I voted BG, but I'd like to change it to Rorschach, if that's all right.

Surfer vs Thor -- I know Surfer's copped to Thor being more powerful in the past, but when you look at each's individual feats, it's obvious Surfer is easily the higher level of the two. He has myriad ways of hurting Thor; his energy blasts, rearranging Thor's molecules, sappin the life force from him. But since Surfer's body is composed of Power Cosmic, there isn't a lot Thor could do to really hurt or permanently damage Surfer. Plot contrivances aside, this actually wouldn't be a very long fight. Surfer for the win.
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/2/2013, 4:21 PM
Lets see SS has great physical power and great cosmic power . Thor has great physical power and great cosmic power and great magical power and that is why Thor wins .
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/2/2013, 4:23 PM
Well that plus the fact that Thor has beaten SS pretty much every time they have fought oh and because Stan Lee said so .
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/2/2013, 4:27 PM
@thunderforce
Thor's power set is more diverse, but he is not necessarily the more powerful character.
unknownfacts
unknownfacts - 4/2/2013, 4:32 PM
Nightwing vs Moon Knight

This could go either way but I leaning more with Mooon Knight.

Batgirl vs Rorschach

Batgirl wins, the Watchmen are a tough group but put against other comic book heroes they are in my opinion just aren't up to par.
relentless1
relentless1 - 4/2/2013, 4:37 PM
Nightwing
Batgirl
Silver Surfer
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/2/2013, 7:12 PM
@thunderforce
"Thor has great cosmic power, great physical power and great magic power, Surfer has great physical power and great cosmic power" while it is true, it doesent mean Thor wins. All it means is that Thor's powers are more diverse, but not neccessarliy better than Surfer's powers.
Allow me to use the example: Thor vs Ghost Rider, Thor vs Hulk.

Thor has great physical, great magic power, and great cosmic power. While Ghost Rider has immense magic power, no cosmic power and minimal physical power. But Ghost Rider beat Thor when they fought, and it was because his magic is powerful enough to take out Thor even when Thor has a more diverse power set.

Again, Thor has great physical power. Great magic power, and great cosmic power. Hulk has vast physical power, no cosmic power and no magic power. But he still has managed to beat Thor on many different occasions due to his physical greatness.

All im saying is, even though Thor has a more diverse power set, it doesent mean that they are more powerful than Surfer's powers
relentless1
relentless1 - 4/2/2013, 7:21 PM
^tru that
SageMode
SageMode - 4/2/2013, 8:55 PM
THOR vs SILVER SURFER: Thor

The powers of Mjolnir have already been stated as being more advanced than the Power Cosmic by Surfer himself. And every time they battled, Thor has won.
SageMode
SageMode - 4/2/2013, 8:55 PM
FENIX

When GR ever defeat Thor in combat?
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/2/2013, 10:06 PM
@SageMode
Avengers #214, Ghost Rider solos the entire avengers (Hulk wasn't present) INCLUDING Thor.

His magic allowed him to perceive that Thor's hammer was enchanted, he was able to use his magic to control it and use it to gain momentum. And although, he wasn't able to strike Thor with the hammer. He used the momentum he had gained (by using magic with the hammer) and sent him flying and knocked him on his back. I'll try and find the scan of you like...

GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/2/2013, 10:06 PM
*IF
SageMode
SageMode - 4/3/2013, 1:03 AM
FENIX



I didn't know knocking someone down and riding off constitutes as a win.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/3/2013, 1:26 AM
@SageMode
I do believe that one is considered a win.

GR used his magic to control Mjolnir to propel himself at high speeds towards Thor knocking him back and overtaking him. I believe that does count as a win for Ghost Rider...
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/3/2013, 1:27 AM
@Batmaniac -- yes, I'm aware, and "fairly good" is not exactly "as good as." Moon Knight would beat Nightwing so bad NW would wish it was he who'd been voted by fans to die instead of Jason Todd. :)
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/3/2013, 1:36 AM
@SageMode
All I was saying is, just because Thor has more powers doesent mean his powers are "better" or more powerful than Surfer's powers...That's all.
FOOM
FOOM - 4/3/2013, 1:50 AM
@LoudLon

Completely agree with your take on Thor vs SS. Thor only ever wins because he's seen as Marvel's Superman. Which means Surfer is in the same boat as J'onn.
SageMode
SageMode - 4/3/2013, 1:53 AM
FENIX

I can't agree on that. Battles always consists of the opponents knocking down and away each other but that doesn't mean they won. If they don't openly admit defeat/submission or knocked unconscious, I think it shouldn't be considered a win.

That's why the issues between the Thor vs Hulk battles get heated. If you look at like 95% of their battles, it always ended with Hulk knocking Thor down or away then Hulk immediately leap away to escape the fight. I wouldn't call that a win. But that's just me.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/3/2013, 1:55 AM
@LoudLon
I don't know man, I think NW might be a better fighter than MK.

NW has been training since he was just a kid, now I agree he's no Batman. But I don't think
Moon Knight is anything really that special in the martial arts either. I've been reading MK for quite a while now and to the best of my knowledge his best h2h feat was stalemating Punisher. Granted, this is an impressive feat because Frank is a good martial artist in his own right, but compared to the rest of the MU and DCU he's really not that great.

Now, I know you and I both probably agree that Punisher couldn't hold a candle to Batman. The only reason MK stands a better chance against Bats is because he's physically superior. I think Nightwing is in fact a slightly better martial artist, I'm up for discussion about it though.

Btw, if you know of any MK martial arts feats greater than beating Punisher you can fell free to correct me.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/3/2013, 2:08 AM
@SageMode
I'd have to disagree, for the sake of illustration I'm going to use letters to illustrate my point.

Character A
Character B

Get in a battle, IMO if Character A overpowers/overtakes Character B, and Character B doesent overtake/overpower Character A, in the same fight. It could be considered a win for Character A...if that makes sense.

If "A" can overtake "B" and B doesent overtake A I believe the win should go to A.

But that's just my opinion, I totally understand what you mean I just don't really agree.
thunderforce
thunderforce - 4/3/2013, 8:26 AM
@Fenix122 GR did not beat Thor , surprised him maybe and GR did not use any magic at all he just added the hammers momentum to his own , the hammer was just returning on its own . All he did was knock Thor down then run away .
SageMode
SageMode - 4/3/2013, 10:31 AM
FENIX

Thor was just knocked down and still conscious, that's no different than a boxing match when someone gets knocked down and but gets up before the countdown ends.
LoudLon
LoudLon - 4/3/2013, 10:31 AM
@Fenix -- iconic MK would have decimated Castle and Nightwing. Check out his first series (1980-84) and his appearance in Marvel Team Up #144, where he beats down a martial artist named White Dragon who even Spider-Man was having trouble handling. I think Batman would beat MK because of his gadgets but in a straight-on, empty-handed h2h encounter? That's a different story.
SageMode
SageMode - 4/3/2013, 10:33 AM
And he didn't control the projection of Mjolnir, he was just able to sense when the hammer was gonna change trajectory and return back to Thor, and GR just grabbed its handle.
GuardianDevil
GuardianDevil - 4/3/2013, 12:55 PM
Just to let everyone know, there will be no battles today and tommorrow. I'm giving it a break for a few days.
jojofmd
jojofmd - 4/3/2013, 9:19 PM
MK- I love NW but MK just seems a step faster.

Rorschach- BG is awesome but Rorschach is the craziest, most resourceful SOB there is. The individuals I would take out of the Watchmen world and put in the comic verse as a whole it would be Dr. M, Ozy and Ror. You can never count him out unless you obliterate him.

Thor vs SS- tough call it's been done before, I do think SS get's jobbed a little much, sort of like juggie and Rhino but Thor is a "god" so I guess he gets the W.
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