STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI Director Weighs In On Luke Skywalker's Allegiances And Redemption For Kylo Ren

STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI Director Weighs In On Luke Skywalker's Allegiances And Redemption For Kylo Ren

Rian Johnson talks here about whether he believes Luke Skywalker could ever turn to the Dark Side and if he sees redemption coming for Kylo Ren. Needless to say, spoilers for the movie follow...

By JoshWilding - Dec 21, 2017 01:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Wars
Source: IGN
Star Wars: The Last Jedi features the franchise's first flashback as we get to see Luke Skywalker standing over his nephew Ben Solo with his lightsaber ignited as he prepares to strike him down and stop the Dark Side from once again rising. Luke's actions are what ultimately turns Ben into Kylo Ren but the Jedi Master could have very nearly turned to the Dark Side himself had he killed the youngster. 

Director Rian Johnson was asked about the possibility of Luke turning in a recent interview and confirmed that the scene with Ben is the closest the hero has come to the Dark Side of the Force. 


"Absolutely. That was the embodiment of The Dark Side, is the quick and easy path, right? It’s that glimpse of… and Luke has never been… it’s not like Luke is a Superman who’s impervious to that. Having just, even the brief moment of temptation of it," Johnson explains, "because that’s what that moment is. He doesn’t give in to the Dark Side, it’s a moment of temptation to the Dark Side."
 
"It reminds me very much of when Vader is tempting Luke, when Luke is underneath the stairs in [Return of the] Jedi, lit with that very beautiful half-and-half, the duality of these two sides of him being pulled. And that’s really what that moment is for me, it’s a moment of temptation to the Dark Side for Luke." That's a perfect explanation and one which makes a lot of sense for the character.

As for whether or not Johnson believes Kylo Ren can now find redemption following the events of The Last Jedi, the director is determined that the villain's turn to the Dark Side is a permanent one.  
 
"Are you kidding? Vader was worse than Kylo ever was, I think, and Vader got redeemed," Johnson said. "Also, I should just for the record [say] that I’m not involved in the writing of the next movie. I’m an audience member in it, just like you, so when I talk about what’s going to happen next it’s in the context of, as a fan, what I’m thinking of." What do you think of the filmmaker's comments?
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Chappers
Chappers - 12/21/2017, 2:07 AM
I feel like redemption for Kylo now would be ridiculous.

He had 30 seconds of redemption in The Last Jedi which was a brilliant scene, he then went back to having an evil tantrum. Redeeming him again in Episode 9 would just be going round in circles

For the record I wanted him to be redeemed and turn but it feels like that ship has sailed. I prefer what Rian Johnson has done though so im not sure how Episode 9 will be under Abrams again
Super12
Super12 - 12/21/2017, 7:22 AM
@JakeyChappers - Exactly. They were building up so well to Rey turning to the Dark side and/or redemption for Kylo. When they teamed up it was amazing, maybe they were going to represent the balance of the force, together. But then nope. All that wasted. Rey stayed good, and Kylo went back to anger and the Dark side and the First Order. What a waste...
Fogs
Fogs - 12/26/2017, 5:36 AM
@JakeyChappers - 100% agreed with your comments. My feelings exactly.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 12/21/2017, 2:20 AM
There's still hope for Kylo, and Vader was worse, i agree.

Wonder what The Knights of Ren are, and what they are doing tho...
InfinitePunches
InfinitePunches - 12/21/2017, 2:31 AM
Kylo could be redeemed in death. But he could never join up with the good guys. Too many "you killed my friends and family" awkward moments around the table at the Life Day feast.
danield222
danield222 - 12/21/2017, 2:40 AM
I'm glad about Kylo's storyline. Him being Vader would have been a rehash. Rey's being a skywalker would have been a rehash. Snoke being a Palpatine would have been a rehash.

I hope that he doesn't turn to the light side.
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 12/21/2017, 7:01 AM
@danield222 - 
In The Force Awakens, Snoke wasn't a Palatine rip-off. He was far more careful and cautious, he feared Luke Skywalker, he recognised the potential of Kylo Ren in both the Dark Side and the Light, and he was played like he learned from the mistakes of the Empire.

In The Last Jedi, they completely altered his character to be a Palatine rip-off just so he could get killed off (one of many inconsistencies). I would be fine with it, if they actually told us who he is...
blitzkreg
blitzkreg - 12/21/2017, 2:53 AM
Please don'the redeem him. It would be a rehash of JEDI.
Amuro
Amuro - 12/21/2017, 3:12 AM
"As for whether or not Johnson believes Kylo Ren can now find redemption following the events of The Last Jedi, the director is determined that the villain's turn to the Dark Side is a permanent one.

"Are you kidding? Vader was worse than Kylo ever was, I think, and Vader got redeemed," Johnson said."


Huh ? Is my english kind of rubbish (I'm not fluent) or did Johnson actually said the absolute contrary in his quote ?
Demba
Demba - 12/21/2017, 3:25 AM
@Amuro - yeah I’m confused too
Re1Agent
Re1Agent - 12/21/2017, 4:06 AM
Would been cooler if ben was our protagonist with a differnt actor, the skywalkers are just more compelling, he was the best part of tlj because he has the most context behind him and the most to do and is the only character who embodies what star wars truly is.

To bad they had to make him a fan boy to try and give all of us the finger.

Instead of a badass samurai like apprentice with honor and a duality and complexity of a character who strides the between the dark and the light but more an anti hero which would set him apart from luke.

A jedi who isnt afraid to get dark when he needs to, I imagine them on a planet hunting down dark jedi like a gang of outlaws on a new cyber punk like planet, with elements from samurai. I honestly think the prequels never went to much into their prime mandate. I would've liked to of seen anew jedi order that actually does what jedi are meant to do.

Would of been much more interesting than, empire vs rebels over and over and over

But kylo ren is essentially how disney sees all of us, Im actually a bit insulted because disney doesnt want us as fans, they could care less because they dont want us effecting how people view their movies, they want dumbasses who are going to accept it all and pay for the next one.


fan fiction main.
dricon
dricon - 12/21/2017, 4:23 AM
**Spoilers of course ***

I would argue the backstory arc could have been more powerful and achieved the same ending if they had added more to it (beyond Lightsaber Luke standing over a sleeping Kylo Ren). For example instead of three versions of the same flashback, they could have used a tweaked backstory like this:

***

Post Ep XI - A hopeful Luke set up a new generation of Jedi training school

Sensing the Force in Kylo Ren, he convinces Han and Leia he should join his school (against their better judgement).

As a teenager Kylo Ren starts to explore the dark side (raising the awareness of Snoke).
Kylo Ren is groomed by Snoke and begins to turn some of the Jedi trainees to the Dark Side behind Luke’s back (who then become the Knights of Ren).

Feeling betrayed, a still hopeful Luke, challenges Kylo Ren and tries to bring him back to the light.

Under the influence of Snoke, Kylo is coerced into attacking Luke by Snoke with his Knights.

Luke is trapped in the burning house whilst Kylo and the Knights proceed to kill all the other trainee Jedi.

Too late to save the trainees Luke escapes the burning house and takes on & defeats the Knights of Ren (explaining why they don’t seem to exist anymore) but is seriously injured doing so.

Kylo escapes with the help of Snoke - but is hit with guilt/traumatised for attacking Luke (hence his obvious conflict)

Luke travels to the island to recover with the help of the nuns.

Whilst on the island Luke becomes haunted that he has brought the Dark Side back into existence.

Luke comes to be gripped with guilt that his actions caused the deaths of Jedi children (ie causing him to see parallels to Darth Vader murdering the Jedi children in the prequels). He also feels he let Leia and Han down.

Luke decides he has no choice but to disconnect himself from the Force to stop himself repeating history again.

Then a year or so later Rey turns up to find the downbeat but now physically recovered Luke we see in the movie.

***

I think this would explain the Luke we see in the film and allow for the ending we the Director wanted.

What do you think?
dricon
dricon - 12/21/2017, 4:27 AM
@dricon - correction " allow for the ending we the Director wanted." should be " allow for the ending the Director wanted."
nasamutalisk
nasamutalisk - 12/21/2017, 4:30 AM
@dricon - While I'm not 100% sold on your idea, I still think it would have been better than what we got. But I guess Rian's hands were somewhat tied for the story since JJ took it upon himself to strand Luke on that damn island without apparently giving any thought as to why he was there. The blind leading the blind

I haven't been able to come up with anything which would fit the scenario myself, since nothing makes any sense when the guy has been sitting on that island drinking nessie milk for years.
dricon
dricon - 12/21/2017, 4:53 AM
@nasamutalisk - Thanks for your response - I agree. I just feel that they needed to give Luke more of a reason for abandoning everything.

I get that the director needed something to tie into the big Luke ending. My idea above was just a way (and I am sure there are better story ideas too) to try and give the audience a better 'why' for his abandonment of the Force. I don't feel like we really got that from the film (despite Mark Hamill doing a great job in the role).
GhostDog
GhostDog - 12/21/2017, 4:31 AM
There is ZERO REDEMPTION FOR KILLING HAN SOLO

knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 12/21/2017, 6:08 AM
@BlackBeltJones - he tried to kill his mom too lol lol
grif
grif - 12/21/2017, 4:41 AM
redemption after killing his father han solo. lmfao
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 12/21/2017, 6:09 AM
@grif - han can walk that off gif
knocturnalzen10
knocturnalzen10 - 12/21/2017, 6:10 AM
i mean people thought vadar redeem himself after killing younglings lol lol
revloveR
revloveR - 12/22/2017, 5:39 PM


"Absolutely. That was the embodiment of The Dark Side, is the quick and easy path, right? It’s that glimpse of… and Luke has never been… it’s not like Luke is a Superman who’s impervious to that. Having just, even the brief moment of temptation of it," Johnson explains, "because that’s what that moment is. He doesn’t give in to the Dark Side, it’s a moment of temptation to the Dark Side."


Luke's been there and done that with far worse. as he said himself, Vader was worse than kylo, with regards to redemption, but somehow, luke got far enough to ignite the saber, and consider slaying his nephew while he slept. sure.
Fogs
Fogs - 12/26/2017, 5:36 AM
Kylo's beyond redemption now, IMO.
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