RUMOR: BATGIRL Directors "In The Mix" To Helm SPIDER-MAN 4 But Marvel Also Looking At "Indie Filmmakers"

RUMOR: BATGIRL Directors "In The Mix" To Helm SPIDER-MAN 4 But Marvel Also Looking At "Indie Filmmakers"

We have a rumored update on Marvel and Sony's search for a director to take over from Jon Watts on the fourth Spider-Man movie, and Adil El Arbi & Bilall Fallah are said to be in contention...

By MarkCassidy - May 31, 2024 07:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

We have an update on Sony Pictures and Marvel Studios' search for a director to take the helm of Spider-Man 4, and it seems Ms. Marvel and Bad Boys: Ride or Die filmmakers Adil El Arbi and Bilall Fallah may indeed be in contention to land the gig.

According to insider Daniel Richtman, El Arbi and Fallah - who infamously helmed the Batgirl movie Warner Bros. decided to scrap as a tax write-off - are "in the mix" to direct the Spider-Man: No Way Home follow-up, but it sounds like there are other candidates.

Richtman also indicates that directors with "a current connection with Sony and Marvel Studios" are being looked at, and the studios may also be focused on enlisting "an indie director like they did with Jon Watts."

It's worth noting that Fallah was asked about the Spider-Man 4 rumors during a recent Bad Boys: Ride or Die event, and responded: "I can't talk about that."

Other names that have popped up as possible directors over the past few weeks are Justin Lin, Drew Goddard, and Adam Wingard, who recently parted ways with Legendary's Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire sequel.

Rumors aside, we still know very little about how Spider-Man 4 is shaping up. Sony's Tom Rothman and Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige are believed to have had some disagreements when it comes to the overall plot, with the latter hoping to scale the Multiverse elements back for a smaller story. Rothman, meanwhile, is said to want to capitalize on No Way Home's success by bringing Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield back as their respective takes on Peter Parker.

Holland will, of course, return as the MCU's Spidey alongside Zendaya as MJ, but the actor is believed to be "growing wary" of playing the iconic hero, so this could be his final solo outing as the wall-crawler - though he will almost certainly play a part in one of both of the upcoming Avengers films.

"We have the best in the business working toward whatever the story might be," Holland said in a recent interview. "But until we’ve cracked it, we have a legacy to protect," Holland explained. "The third movie was so special in so many ways that we need to make sure we do the right thing."

No Way Home scribes Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers are currently working on the script, but we still don't know which of the Wall-Crawler's fearsome foes will be causing problems for Peter and co. Most of Spidey's major bad guys have already been utilized in previous films (Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, etc), but a recent rumor claimed that the still untitled sequel will feature a villain we haven't seen in live-action yet.

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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 5/31/2024, 7:52 AM
Hopefully Jonathan Goldstein & John Francis Daley are being considered at the least given they already have a connection to Marvel…

They co-wrote Homecoming so they have experience in the Marvel sandbox and have made a name for themselves with helming Game Night and Dungeons & Dragons (both of which I liked).

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If not then then i would be cool with Adil & Bilal…

I have enjoyed the work of theirs I have seen so far in Bad Boys for Life & Ms Marvel.

I could see it working and they would certainly bring a cool stylistic flair to it that could be fun!!.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/31/2024, 7:54 AM
The Daniels

Let them do whatever they want.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 5/31/2024, 3:07 PM
@vectorsigma - Marvel doesn’t have the fortitude to do this and the Daniels wouldn’t want to touch something that’s so heavily controlled by a studio anyways

Would be amazing though!
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/31/2024, 8:30 PM
@TheLobster - yeah. Unfortunately. But they worked on a star wars proj (skeleton crew) so there is a slight chance
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 5/31/2024, 8:08 AM
They're looking for a director for a movie, you say? Who's writing it? A writer?
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 5/31/2024, 8:23 AM
@WEAPONXOXOXO - no, A.I. will write it using algorithms nobody understands.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 5/31/2024, 8:10 AM
They made a movie that was considered so unwatchable that the studio opted to burn it's remains rather than release it on something like Hulu or the CW. How do they still have career's and why would they be considered for such a "high profile" job?
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/31/2024, 8:24 AM
@HashTagSwagg - i think the "unwatchable" comment was from zaslav which we shouldnt give any weight on.

These guys are good directors imo and batgirl was shelved because of whatever greedy reason the WB bosses have.

I think ive seen a lot of people saying it is uneatcheable without any proof aside from the press release
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 5/31/2024, 8:50 AM
@vectorsigma -
"This is someone who was in the test screening a couple months ago where they were trying to figure out what to do with this movie and I called him and we chatted and he said that after the screening, the executives Walter Hamada of DC and some of the others there ask the audience, "Did this feel big?" and clearly they were trying to figure out whether it felt like it deserved a theatrical release and the consensus was absolutely not. He said it played like a TV pilot, the stakes were very small... He said it felt a little like Dark Phoenix."

Source:
https://screenrant.com/batgirl-test-screening-reactions-details/
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 5/31/2024, 10:16 AM
@TheFinestSmack - Well as I understand it, it was supposed to be for TV not big screen at first and switched track at a late stage so makes sense if the issue was felt more like a pilot than a blockbuster.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 5/31/2024, 10:38 AM
@Apophis71 - Yeah that was my understanding as well. Which makes it crazier that they didn't even release it on TV/streaming. Even if the main story was that it was BAD, people would have tuned in just to see HOW bad. And then people may have been pleasantly surprised.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/31/2024, 10:53 AM
@TheFinestSmack - this was just a testscreening, not a complete film imo.

Id still stick with what i see in Bad Boys For Life and Ms Marvel ep1, both of which i liked, than rely on tescreening feedback and WB bosses comments in the ability of this duo directors
jst5
jst5 - 5/31/2024, 4:46 PM
@vectorsigma - You must've of missed the reports of the private screenings....it was bad..bad...bad!
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/31/2024, 8:33 PM
@jst5 - yeah i missed it. Butnim guessing that was incomplete.

And i am relying more on what ive seen than what ive heard. Zaslav and WB were spouting negative publicity on this to justify shelving it imo.

And people who get invited to test screenings are most probably studio shills so they will go with this flow
jst5
jst5 - 5/31/2024, 9:00 PM
@vectorsigma - Gotcha...nah some of the test screening reports were very bad....two compared it the Catwoman with The CW effects.
NinnesMBC
NinnesMBC - 6/1/2024, 1:15 AM
@HashTagSwagg - See you in a couple of weeks when Bad Boys For Life comes out highly likely being critically praised and a box office success just as the 3rd one did in 2020. You better not switch your tune.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 6/1/2024, 9:27 AM
@NinnesMBC - isnt For Life the 3rd one? Butni get what you mean
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 5/31/2024, 8:13 AM
Why indie ? Why not get someone with more experience who actually knows how to make a blockbuster and is a fan of the character and its mythos?


We can’t go backwards again man!! As great as Homecoming was, the action scenes and directing in that movie wasn’t anything special or what made it cool. It was the script and the inclusion of Iron Man and Michael Keaton’s performance.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 5/31/2024, 8:15 AM
@MisterDoctor217 - Easier to control indie's than experienced veteran's.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 5/31/2024, 10:21 AM
@MisterDoctor217 - Double edged sword but an indie director is more likely, theoreticaly, to bring something new to the table thus the end product feel less generic and also likely to cost less to hire thus reducing budget/increase odds of turning a profit...

...flipside that can thus be negatives for heading that route should go without saying. The reduced rate of releases however makes it more likely they can minimise those negative through more oversight if drifting too far off piste.
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 5/31/2024, 10:32 AM
@HashTagSwagg -

Unfortunately true :/
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 5/31/2024, 10:35 AM
@Apophis71 -

I mean I get it but dude this is their 4th Spidey movie , I don’t think reducing costs should be their main goal for their most popular character and one of the most profitable.
If they try to reduce costs and make it as cheap or fast as possible it’ll only backfire.

Also I get indie directors might bring their on spin and differentiate it from other movies but idk that was done already with Homecoming, and even then it still had generic elements.

And Far From Home was super generic , fun yes, interesting villain yes, but generic nonetheless.

I really think they need a genuine fan with more experience.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 5/31/2024, 11:09 AM
@MisterDoctor217 - Get both sides and the plus/minus of either but, not so much with Spider-man maybe, need to quit with budgets over $250M and head back down to the $150M or less mark with the current climate. Whoever is in charge SHOULD have a love and appreciation for the character however be they experianced big name or up and coming indie director.
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 5/31/2024, 11:23 AM
@Apophis71 -

I agree with the budget going down to 150 million. They used to do wonders with budgets like that back in the day. But it takes craftsmanship for that, something only an experienced director can bring.
Unless the indie director is really really good.

But yeah definitely agree it has to be someone who 100% loves the character and gets Peter and his social circle.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/31/2024, 8:27 AM
These guys rejuvenated the Bad Boys franchise that we are getting a 4th film which also looks great.

The first episode of Ms Marvel was so interesting and stylish because of them.

But some always refer to Batgirl which they dont have any proof of being bad aside from the WB presss release. Are we that too gullible?
Vigor
Vigor - 5/31/2024, 10:49 AM
@vectorsigma - very sensible comment. I did not know they did first ep of Ms marvel. That was a really well done episode !
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/31/2024, 10:56 AM
@Vigor - i was sold on their skills with Bad Boys 3 and Ms Marvel ep 1. And im hyped with Bad Boys 4.

I just dont get the criticisms
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/31/2024, 1:04 PM
@vectorsigma - Unfortunately there is proof that Bad Boys For Life is not exactly a top tier quality movie. And I've heard that their next Bad Boys is even worse.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/31/2024, 1:29 PM
@ObserverIO - i never mentioned top tier. Im saying the guys have skills.

Most criticisms i see are because of Batgirl. A bit cliche but people shouldnt believe everything they see on the internet
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/31/2024, 3:15 PM
@vectorsigma - Spider-Man needs a good director. These guys ain't it.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 5/31/2024, 8:28 PM
@ObserverIO - Ms Marvel ep 1 shows what can they do with a superhero show with limited budget.

We can agree to disagree, i find their work worth it for spider-man
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 5/31/2024, 8:28 AM
Marvel (and especially Sony) needs to seriously sit down and create a new strategy.

I am a DC fan, but MARVEL's cinematic universe has been awesome. Love it.
However, kinda like DC's done with Batman, Marvel has over-saturated their product. Their movies are becoming predictable and fairly stale. When you have to have films where other heroes have to appear just to try to make bank (like DC was guilty of this past year), you're in a bad spot because your individual heroes can't hack it anymore on their own.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 5/31/2024, 10:26 AM
@lazlodaytona - Contractualy MCU Spider-man movies have to have a lead from other MCU films in a supporting role, was part of the deal with Sony so...

...not saying your wrong, just that it isn't something they can entirely avoid with this specific franchise unless Sony agreed to change the deal which would be highly unlikely.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 5/31/2024, 10:37 AM
@Apophis71 - i understand what you're saying. such a bummer
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